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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001-09-11 Transcription#1 Page 1 ITEM NO. 1 STATEMENT Lehman: Today our nation has experienced a tragedy of the proportions of which we really can not comprehend. I don't believe that any of us here tonight are here because we really want to be. So, I think that out of respect for this tragedy that has occurred, if there is a motion on the part of the council, I would entertain a motion to amend the agenda by eliminating the public discussion portion and also the council time so that we may get our work done and leave. Champion: So moved. O'Donnell: Second. Lehman: Moved by Champion, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion? Motion carries. (all ayes) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #2a Page 2 ITEM NO. 2 MAYOR'S PROCLAMATIONS #2a. Sexual Assault Awareness Day Lehman: (Reads proclamation). Karr: Here to accept is Allison Oliver-Correll. (Applause) Oliver-Correll: I think, very briefly, I'd just like to say thank you to the City of Iowa City on behalf of the Rape Victim Advocacy Program for signing this proclamation. And, I think our agency, as well as many others who bear witness to acts of trauma and violence on a daily basis, have felt particularly stunned today in light of everything that has happened. And this proclamation really speaks to this City's commitment to addressing all forms of violence in our community and in our nation. And, I thank you for your commitment to that. Lehman: Thank you (Applause) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #2b Page 3 #2b. Constitution Week Lehman: (Reads proclamation). Karr: Here to accept is Vema Johnson (Applause) Johnson: Mr. Mayor and City Council Members, on behalf of pilgrim Chapter National Society Daughters of the American Revolution, we thank you for taking the time to spend doing this proclamation for the citizens of Iowa City. We especially like to promote understanding of the Constitution and its content and especially on this day are grateful. We have presented you with a poster for the week and the small, pocket size copy of the Constitution which last year you commented on how amazing it is, the size and all that it contains. And we thank you. Lehman: Thank you. (Applause) Lehman: I suspect while we are talking about constitution and citizenship I should remind folks that the polls in the election for school board are open until 8 o'clock tonight so if you haven't voted, there is still time to get there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #3 Page 4 ITEM NO 3. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. Champdon: Move adoption. Vanderheof: Seconded. Lehman: Moved by Champion, seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion? Kanner: I'd like to withdraw item e-17 for separate consideration. Lehman: Other comments? Discussion? Kanner: Yes, Steve, when are we going to be getting the police reports for alcohol license renewals? Atkins: We have started the information collection process and so for the month of September when you get the report, as you would routinely get on the bar checks, you will get a report for the month on the convenience stores and things such as that. It's in the mail right now. Kanner: And one other question. Can you give me the history of... this is in regards to correspondence we have on a parking van... this is number 29, f-29. When was it decided that Rochester Avenue would go to three lanes as opposed to two? Atkins: When was it decided? I'm assuming, oh gosh, two, three years ago. Lehman: I think it's more recent than that. We added the turn lanes... Atkins: We added the turn lanes at the time as a test in the Regina area and then with the reconstruction work that went on... I honestly don't recall the time flame. Kanner: I guess my point is it doesn't seem like there was a big problem with that and, with traffic there, and it just seems it makes it more difficult for bicyclists. Cars going faster. When you do have parking you tend to have cars going slow. This correspondence is about no parking because we have three lanes now instead of two and there is no room. So it seems we are pushing a heavily bicycled road away from bicyclists and I just don't think it's appropriate. Lehman: Any other discussion? Roll call on the consent calendar as, I guess, it was amended. We took one item out. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #3e(17) Page 5 ITEM NO. #3e(17) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPEMENT PROGRAM FUNDS TO THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (IDED) FOR THE PURPOSE OF FUNDING A BROWNFIELD RECLAMATION PROJECT AND COMMITMENT BY THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT SAID PROJECT. Lehman: Does someone want to propose item seventeen separately? Kanner: So moved. Pfab: Second. Lehman: Moved by Kanner, seconded by Pfab. Discussion? Kanner: This is in regards to an application for Brownfield reclamation, which is land that's not environmentally safe and this is at 1200 S. Riverside. I guess, my question is, we are talking about 500,000 grant we are applying for. What would be the local funding that we would use to match that? Steve Nasby: At that address, we have been working on getting a special appropriation from congress for the last couple of years to help us start thinking about cleaning up that site once the streets department folks move. And reclaiming that and hopefully turning it into private property, maybe commercial or something. As far as our efforts in the past, we have been looking at approximately $2 million charge for the whole cleanup with the special appropriation for a million and then the City have responsibility for about a million dollars. Our funds would be recovered through the sale of the property for whatever we end up selling if for so we were hoping that we would be breaking even with this, at that point, and then using the federal money just as a grant. This application to DED, these moneys became available last year at the Iowa Economic Development, Department of Economic Development. So what I am hoping to do with this application is reduce the City' s liability or match exposure from a million to half a million dollars and again, we would recover our funds through the sale 0fthe property in the future. Karmer: And the plan is to put (not sure). Is that CI-I? Is that for public... Nasby: It's public right now. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #3e(17) Page 6 Atkins: It's public now, Steve. That would be an issue... Kanner: So you would have to rezone it and that would be part of it and the plan is to sell it though probably for some industrial or commercial use? Atkins: I can't imagine any residential use. I would suspect it would be something such as that. Nasby: It's commercial on the other three comers. Atkins: It is commercial on the comer. That's right. Karmer: Thank you. Lehman: Other discussion? Roll call. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #7 Page 7 ITEM NO.7 PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT, AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS BLOOMINGTON STREET BOOSTER STATION PROJECT, ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS, AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS. Lehman: This is a public hearing. Public hearing is open. Estimated cost of this project is $880,000. As with any sewer or water project, it will be funded by water revenues. Public hearing is closed. Do we have a motion? Pfab: So moved. Vanderhoef: Second. Lehman: Moved by Pfab, seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion? Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #8 Page 8 ITEM NO. 8 PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE JOHNSON STREET SANITARY SEWER PROJECT, ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS, AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS. Lehman: Public Hearing is open. This project estimated cost is $160,000 and again will be funded by sewer revenues. Pfab: I believe, also, this is going to keep an overflow of sanitary sewer ending up in the Ralston Creek. Is that correct? Atkins: That is correct. Lehman: Public hearing is closed. Do we have a motion approving? Vanderhoef: So moved. Wilbum: Second. Lehman: Motion by Vanderhoef, seconded by Wilbum. Discussion? Roll call. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 9 ITEM NO. 9 PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT, ESTIMATE OF COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HICKORY HILL PARK TRAIL PROJECT, ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS, AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS. #9a. Public Hearing Lehman: Estimated cost is $443,000 which will be general obligation bonds. Public heating is open. Rosemary Randolph: Hi, my name is Rosemary Randolph and I'm a member of the Johnson County Coalition for Persons with Disabilities. And we have been working with the friends of Hickory Hill for the past year, as you know, and thank you for the amount that you set aside for Hickory Hill Park. We do have a few things that we would like to just have some clarification on so that we might have a chance to go back with the develop...the people...Dunbar / Jones and talk about some other issues. So the first thing I want to know is a question. We were told that it is possible to amend or add addendums once the proposal is approved tonight. Is that accurate? Lehman: I think that is always accurate. Randolph: Okay. I'm new at this so... Lehman: With the approval, I mean, as long as both the contractor and the City agree, addendums and the price, I think you can always add on to a contract. Randolph: Okay. The specs were received on September 6th, and since we have been working on this for a year it would have been nice to have a little bit longer time to be able to go back to them and discuss some of these things but we do want to bring them to your attention so as you consider voting on this, you take them into consideration. One of the things is the high priority area is the first area that they are going to be working on to develop and it's going to be actually, what they consider the lowest used space. And we don't understand how they determined what was the lowest used area. It is also an area up by ACT, on the very far portion, that was supposed to be off of the map and not... and for further development at even a whole different time flame. And so we are a little bit concerned that they are going to be starting in an area that for quite some time now we have talked about we wouldn't even This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 10 be going into. If they get the REAP, of course, then it will flip flop, and they'll work on the primary areas where they consider the higher traffic. The second consideration is they asked for a ten-foot trail workspace corridor for heavy equipment to travel in and out and to turn around and we are wanting to know why it is necessary to use large heavy equipment for any aspect of this particular project. Because, as we have worked through this, through the year, it has been both in agreement on, from all of us, that this is a park of nature and the reason for making it handicap accessible is so that anyone in any kind of condition, whether it be in a wheelchair or elderly with a cane, has close access to that particular environment. We have parks for exercise, we have parks that are geared toward playground and this one is definitely one of nature. To go in and... the full width is seven feet, six foot for the trail with a half foot on each side and that will be the finished portion. At some points there won't even be the half-foot because it'll just be the grass so it will just blend. So to go and to swipe through with a ten foot area feels pretty excessive to us. Lehman: I strongly suspect that it isn't possible to put in a six foot trail without taking a little space on each side. It may just be a mechanical sort of thing but they have to have... Randolph: They said it was to bring in heavy equipment and we had talked about this before. It is possible to build even a three-foot trail. It's not going to be done by bringing in a dump truck and dumping out the gravel. It's probably going to have to be done with smaller equipment, which we talked about. We talked about with Dunbar and Jones over this for quite some time. We've had several meetings on this. So to find this in the final specs was a little bit conceming to us. Lehman: Have you talked to Terry about any of this? Randolph: We've talked to Mike... I talked to Mike Stineman today and asked for clarification. So that's where I'm getting this from. Another thing was prefabricated bridges and the one at the Bloomington Street entrance would be prefabricated and they want to use a crane to put it in with. Now, there are going to be two more over from the First Avenue entrance and those are going to be steel I-beams with wood truces and they are going to be built on site. And so we were wondering why, if two of them can be built on site then why do we need a crane to come across that green space to put in that bridge? So again, that was another thing that concerned us. And is it a possible to amend? Those were the ones that stood out the most. There were a few other things but I think we got those pretty well worked out. They wanted to clear the trees up to eight feet and make a canopy and he This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 11 said no that he would change that so that it would read that the environment would stay in an appropriate fashion so as it didn't bar traversing on the trail. Vanderhoef: Is that prefab bridge that you are talking about, is that one of the bridges that we reclaimed a few years ago? Randolph: No, it's a new one. Bought from the company where you bought some of your others around the community here. Vanderhoef: Okay. Lehman: I would like to say I'm sure for the rest of the Council, we appreciate the work you have both done on this. There has been a tremendous amount of effort put in on this. Randolph: Well, we've all made a lot of new friends, too. Lehman: No, no, that's a significant accomplishment. I don't know how council wants to address these issues. My guess would be that these should be drawn to the attention of Terry and the commission and they can deal with these. There may be...They may have...And that why I asked if (couldn't hear) was here. There may be reasons why some of these that we have no... Randolph: One reason that Mike Stineman... I'm sorry, that Mr. Stineman gave was, you know, depending on where you live, if you live out west, you know, they build trails, they build them in very precarious place and they pack it in on a horse, I mean you know, and a pick. I mean they do it in many ways. You go to St. Louis and they clear everything back because they don't want too much cover, etc. You know, depending on where you are at. Well, we talked about all this and he feels that he's... they are afraid that the contractors will charge them an arm and a leg if they can't just haul it in with a truck and dump it. But, everyone knows up front whenever they bid, what this park is about and what it needs to remain because it will soon be surrounded on all sides by development. So, it's going to be a unique area within itself as time goes by anyway. Champion: Maybe we should defer this at least until we get some answers. I mean, not defer it but... Lehman: I believe, that we are authorizing this... Randolph: Yeah, that's the other thing, it all got pushed to the end. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 12 Lehman: That's just getting the estimates and if the...Steve, is it possible for these concerns to be at least... Arkins: We sure have them recorded and I can take them to the folks fight away. If you defer, the less likely it'll get... Lehman: Started this year. Atkins: ...any work will be undertaken this year. That's one and secondly, more hand work you do the less trail you get. You have to understand that they try to use, I'm sure, as much equipment as they possibly can and that's just something you have to accept when you are doing these types of projects. Vanderhoef: But if we approve tonight, then what is in the contract that we are approving allows them to do this. And this is the way they are going to be bidding it, so... Arkins: That's right. Vanderhoef: it's... Atkins: Unless we can put together a quick amendment. Randolph: Could I say one more thing? Lehman: Yes, please do. Randolph: They wrote the REAP grant because they would like to use road oil, which is a natural substance which will harden the surface. It can't be applied unless it's above seventy degrees in the day and no lower than sixty at night. So the areas they are going to be starting in are going to be primitive and it's going to take, they are going to have to figure out a way to get in there because it does say that they can't remove trees to get in there. So, by the time the REAP grant comes around they'll be flip flopping their priority and because they want to put the road oil down, so they'll be working in areas were they are going to have to use small equipment anyway. I mean that's just... Lehman: My suspicion is this is a project that would possibly start this fall but in no way would it be done until spring so the temperature would be okay for the oil. Randolph: Right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 13 Pfab: I would say that I think your ideas are excellent. I support them one hundred percent. And I think if we move here and jeopardize your position, I would vote no. I mean that would wipe out your suggestions. I would just vote no. So, if there is a way to preserve what you have, and you said you have a limited amount of time to look at it which always makes me a little nervous, and I think they are excellent ideas and I think that if we can not accommodate, I would vote no. Kanner: Emie? Lehman: Yes, Steven. Kanner: I've got the bid statement here and it talks about general notes and I'm wondering if this is enough protection. It refers to what you were saying. In the construction access it does say construction equipment will be limited to a ten foot construction corridor along the trail. Then it goes on to say, in some sections of the trail, clearance between trees is as little as six feet. Protect all existing trees including those within the construction corridor unless marked to be removed. Then it goes further, in point number six to say protect all trees. No trees will be removed without being marked or flagged by the project landscape architect. Do you think that gives us the protection we need? That the landscape architect...review these? Randolph: According to what Mike Stineman said here, is that the decision whether trees should be removed or not would be decided during the construction stage. Kanner: By our landscape architect, I would assume. Atkins: That's not an uncommon. In the field, they have to decide, they have to have the ability to make those decisions on a regular (can't hear). Randolph: But then they also... Part of it, it reads that no trees will be removed during the construction of this project. We don't know quite what to (can't hear) here. Kanner: Well it says that ifthere's... Where a high density of tree roots or tree roots greater than two inches in diameter are encounter the trail surface will be raised to minimize damage to the tree root. Randolph: Right. In other words they won't remove the tree root, they will raise the trail. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 14 Champion: So the part... Steven, you think the part that's going to be wide, the seven foot, or whatever you say it is, is going to be like just where there is grass as stuff growing where there aren't trees so that could be replanted? Kanner: Well, I'm not sure. I think the ten foot that RoseMary is referring to is meant to be allowed to grow back eventually. That, as she said, it's a six foot trail with a half foot on either side so that' s seven feet and those other three feet would, in theory, grow back. But RoseMary is bringing up the point that that's too much damage. And, maybe we do need a couple more weeks to look at that and give these folks a chance to work with our Public Works Department and Ten'y some more on this. Champion: Does it say in there that those areas have to be replanted? Does it say anything like that? Randolph: Yeah, reclamation is due in every area but they're not supposed to be bringing in cranes and heavy equipment. They're supposed to be doing it...Okay, let's use the example, of you're going to add on to your home and you're going to extend your basement as well. You can't bring in heavy equipment and back into your neighbor's yard. You have to bring in the equipment of the appropriate size to stay within your confine and your limit. And so goes the trail. Lehman: I believe that your vision of heavy equipment is not the same as theirs. Randolph: No. Lehman: No heavy equipment will ever get through a ten-foot corridor. Randolph: They want to haul trucks back and forth with gravel. Champion: Well, they'll have to. Lehman: Well, let me just say...and we can do whatever the Council wants to do. If we change the specifications and the contract comes in too high there won't be a trail. It's pretty much that simple. We need to build something that is affordable and does the least possible encroachment in the park. My suspicion is, they tried to do this. If we want to make it more stringent, and it comes in...you know this is $443,000 and this is G.O. bonds. If that comes in at $550,000 my guess is that it would probably not be approved. So, I guess it's ajudgement call on the part of the Council. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 15 Pfab: I would say because of the softness in the economy, we got a good chance of getting a reasonably good bid on this and with that I would take a chance on it. To get it the way we want it and protect what we need to protect. O'Donnell: Irvin, I don't think costs are ever going to go down. Is there any way we can move this forward and like correct any of the damage we are doing? Is there any way we can do that? Atkins: You can bid, close the hearing, send the project out for bid. Now, when we receive the bids we have the authority to negotiate negotiable terms and conditions. Randolph: Yeah, that's all we want. Lehman: That might be the best way to do it. Atkins: I can't promise that that would work out and the contractor may call it a day and we're finished. It's not uncommon, sort of nod you head Andy and I'm okay, that we would negotiate reasonable amendments to the low bidder. And I'm sure we can raise some of these issues. Personally folks I would really like to see it get out to bid even if we reject it later out of hand because it's too much, we've just waited so long. Remember during the capital plan, we had to add a good bit of money to get this done and I'd really like to see you get going with it. I hope you understand... Lehman: Well, is there anyone else from the public who would like to speak? Randolph: Yeah. Thank you. That's what I'm wondering... Lehman: Thank you very much. Marilyn Belman: Hi, I'm Marilyn Belman from the Johnson County Coalition. I didn't know RoseMary was going to speak. I wanted to thank you for letting me speak. I wanted to tell you how much we have enjoyed working with the City and with Terry and with Mike. And I want to sort of thank some key members for how well I thought this had worked out. There have been several people that have worked on the project, and you know. The Iowa Law Clinic has helped with the survey that we did to sort of find the popular support. Hickory Hill Park has worked...and that's RoseMary and who is sitting beside her there, and so you've got a lot a view points that are here. And, I think that it was the Hickory Hill Park people that were very concerned about not This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 16 getting any machines in there and I think that when we begin to work together and trying to find common goals that was were we had a conflict at first and that is why we came to the seven feet maximum. And, so when they saw something that wasn't that, they freaked. And, I think, RoseMary is probably representing that viewpoint. I wanted to say that we found everybody very good to work with and I think very accommodating. And I think that we wanted to thank you for this experience because it seemed to me...In fact, we were joking at one of our meetings about how this should be going...We should be going to some conference and tell people that this is how a community should work together. Because we have found the City and Tom Dunbar and Mike Stineman who picked up ideas that RoseMary had dug out in her research. Everybody sort of picked up on it and went with it. And so I think that if this is a hurtle I hope that we can get by it because I think that we had it worked it out. And I think that what Steve pointed out, if that's the way it's going to be, that we can sort of point out that this is what the contract implies is that we need to make sure that that seven foot is what we had all agreed on. And I think, also, the idea of big machines is what they're concerned about. Those are the two key sticking factors. I think that both of us as a Coalition and the Friends of Hickory Hill want to continue to be involved afterwards. Both of us are going to be continued...continue to be concerned about how it comes out. Us for accessibility and them for nature. And that was something we both agreed were going to be the two goals. But, by and large, I think that this is an excellent example of city government and an advocacy group working together. Thank you. Lehman: Thank you. Vanderhoef: And thank you Marilyn for complementing our staff because sometimes they don't get enough recognition from the public and this is one time... Belman: Oh, they've been wonderful. They set up walk throughs and set up meetings and things. They've been great. Randolph: Thank you. Karmer: And... Lehman: Let's take any more public input, please, and then we'll close the hearing and have council discussion. Corbin Sexton: My name is Corbin Sexton. I am with the Friends of Hickory Hill Park. And this really has been a joint effort and if some of us our This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 17 concerned at this point it's because so much time has gone into it. And as RoseMary pointed out, the documents were received on September 6th. This is one of thirty_seven pages that we would like to review. It's not that we can't decipher this but that to do that in a period of time given everything that has gone into it, has made us a little concerned at this point, which is why we're here. So, if we can come away from tonight with the understanding that we'll have a chance to work out some of these details, that it won't be set in stone exactly as it is written here...the six foot trails is what we all agreed on with the half-foot on each side. You know there was plenty in scanning it, in the brief time we had, that looked right, this is great, this is what we were hoping for, but as the points have already made, I won't go over them again, those are ones that we hope we will have a chance to have input in. One of the concerns is a hold over from a previous project. It's our understanding that when the cemetery was expanded there were trees that were identified as trees that would be saved and in fact, when the project was done, those trees were not saved. So, we have some concems about reading in a document that, you know, all trees will be saved. A great effort will be made. We want to know what precautions will be taken so that that will be the case when it's said and done. So again, it's been great chance to work with different community members and we look forward to positive outcome. Pfab: I went back to the same incident that you did and the damage that was done unnecessarily when that cemetery was put in and I just...I will not be comfortable voting for something unless those are protected. Trees can't holler if someone starts to cut them down. Lehman: Is there any body else from the public that would like to speak to this? Kanner: Corbin, though, could you just...Actually, could you just summarize the points again real quickly that RoseMary and that you had about your ConcelTL Sexton: Sure. I might need a little help from RoseMary but...we are hoping to minimize the use of massive equipment. Cranes, for instance. We are hoping to reduce the clearance which is now set at eight feet wide. Trimming the trees eight feet up... Pfab: High. Sexton: ...high, excuse me, that that would be brought down to seven feet. We are questioning why a remote area of the park is...that in a meeting that we all attended, well not everyone in this room but, everyone This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 18 whose spoken, that a section in the north part of the park was designated as an area that we weren't even going to go into and now, if you look on the documents that are in the Clerks office that I assume are in your packet, that, talking about this part right here down as phase one so it went from something that all of us agreed wasn't going to happen to being the first thing that's going to happen. So that's. . . Kanner: Off the loop B, that is? The one going way up... Sexton: Right. It's the single...The only one that kind of doesn't loop. It juts. I don't know whether that would that be north. Karmer: Yeah. Lehman: Where does it go? Is that an access point that they need? Sexton: If you were to go off the map here you would hit North Dodge. ACT would be over here somewhere. Lehman: But I mean...I guess my question is, do they need that as an access point to construct the trail? Sexton: That's a good question. It wasn't one... Lehman: It may be that if they're not going to do the south end, and they want to start construction, they have to have some access point and that may be why, I don't know. I wish an engineer was here to answer some of these questions. I have a feeling that most of these questions... Atkins: I'm not sure it's engineering. I have to admit to you I'm taking by surprise with these things because Terry didn't brief me that there was any concem. After our briefing with you all a few weeks ago, I thought we were ready to go. If we're not, we're not. Matthews: If I may just offer a suggestion. Lehman: Yes. Matthews: If it aids you in your deliberations. The plans and specs could be bid as alternates with these additional proposals so you could get some idea as to those costs. If they are not...If you don't use that approach, if it doesn't amount to a substantial change, they can be... the plans can be changed through a change order if you go with the present plans and specs. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 19 Lehman: Well, is there anybody else from the public who would like to address this issue? Diane Kaufman: I'll be brief. My name is Diane Kaufman. I think there are two other points I would like to raise. Much in the specs in this refer to a lot of discretion on the part of the landscape architect but it isn't real clear if that person will be on site. And, if you have done, been on a construction site, had a little work done in your own home, you know. There are day to day, moment to moment decisions that effect the outcome and so it wasn't clear if that person is going to be there saying no you can't cut that tree, that limbs okay, but that shrub's not. So, that kind of attention is what the Coalition and the Friends worked so hard for so long and came up with a plan that we are all happy with. To have it fly away at this point when I think a few weeks of having a chance to talk with the Dunbar / Jones and Terry, I think we could this...make everyone happy. This could be a win, win, win situation. For just a few weeks time. We just didn't have, you know, we are being asked to put, in one week, without having a chance to really look and discuss with the folks, something that we've put over a year in. So, just, that would be my request. O'Donnell: Why don't we delay this a couple weeks. Pfab: I agree. O'Donnell" Let's do it. Pfab: Wait, is there someone else that wanted to speak? Champion: Yeah. O'Donnell: Well, I think that we've addressed it. If we delay it and we give everyone an opportunity to ask questions. Lehman: What we will do is I will take a motion to defer. Pfab: I would... Lehman: ...to continue the public hearing to the 251h of September. O'Donnell: I would move we continue the public hearing to the 251h of September. Champion: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001. #9a Page 20 Lehman: Moved by O'Donnell, seconded by Champion. All in favor. (all ayes) Atkins: I will have Terry arrange to contact everybody. Lehman: Right. That will give us two weeks and then we will kind of take up were we left off tonight. Kanner: You might want...maybe, pass out some of these sheets on the specs. If anyone' s interested. Atkins: It sounds like they're going to change, however. Lehman: Okay. Karr: We have a motion to also defer the public...the resolution. Wilbum: So moved. Champion: Second. Lehman: Wilburn, second by Champion to defer the resolution. All in favor? Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 11, 2001.