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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-01-04 Transcription#1 Page # 1 ITEM NO. 1. ROLL CALL Lehman: I have a conflict on items 2 and 3 and I will turn this over to Mayor Pro tem, Mike O'Donnell. O'Donnell: Happy New Year to everybody. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #2 Page # 2 ITEM NO. 2. CONSIDER MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS STRATEGY WITH COUNCIL IN MATTERS THAT ARE PRESENTLY IN LITIGATION OR WHERE LITIGATION IS IMMINENT WHERE ITS DISCLOSURE WOULD BE LIKELY TO PREJUDICE OR DISADVANTAGE THE POSITION OF THE GOVERMENTAL BODY IN THAT LITIGATION. Wilbum: Move to adjourn to executive session. Vanderhoef: Second. O'Donnell: Moved by Ross, seconded by Vanderhoe£. Roll call. (6/0, Lehman absent). We're adjourned. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #3 Page # 3 ITEM NO. 3. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF 4.01 ACRES LOCATED EAST OF HARLOCKE STREET FROM HIGH-DENSITY MULTI- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RM-44) TO SENSITIVE AREAS OVERLAY (OSA-44). (FIRST CONSIDERATION) Vanderhoef: Move first consideration. Wilburn: Second. O'Donnell: Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by Wilburn. Discussion? Roll call. (Kanner and Pfab abstain, Lehman absent) Okay due to a pass resolution, an abstention counts as an affirmative vote with the majority; therefore, this passes first consideration 6/0. Next item. Kanner: Welcome back, Emie. Lehman: Thank you. O'Donnell: Welcome back, Mr. Mayor. Lehman: Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #4 Page # 4 ITEM NO. 4. CONSIDER AN ORDIANCE REPEALING 01-3980 AND AMENDING SECTION 1-9-3B OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF IOWA CITY ESTABLISHING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE VOTING PRECINCTS IN IOWA CITY. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Champion: Move second consideration. O'Donnell: Second. Lehman: Moved by Champion, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion? Roll call. (7/0). Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #5 Page # 5 ITEM NO. 5. CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPOINT CITY CLERK AS TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON. Vanderhoef: So moved. Karmer: So moved. Second. Lehman: Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by Kanner. All in favor? Opposed? (all ayes) Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #6 Page # 6 ITEM NO. 6. CONSIDER A MOTION TO FIX METHOD OF VOTING. Kart: I'll entertain a motion. O'Donnell: So moved. Wilburn: I move...I move that we... O'Donnell: Oh, I'm sorry. Wilburn: I move that we fix the method of voting by taking nominations from the floor, that they be done by show of hands and the decision...the basis of the discussion be majority of vote of total membership. And the procedure for canvas of ballots consist of visual count by the City Clerk, confirmed by the City Attorney. Vanderhoef: I'll second. Karr: Moved by Wilbum, seconded by Vanderhoef that the nominations be from the floor, there by voting by show of hands, that the total membership indicate the majority vote and it be a visual count as declared by the City Clerk and affirmed by the City Attorney. Kanner: So... Karr: Discussion? Kanner: So you need four votes...if there's three people and you only get three or two votes that does not reach the threshold. Is that correct? Karr: That's correct. Any other further discussion? Pfab: Does that preclude the person voting that we elect by drawing from.., by lottery. Karr: That's correct. The motion on the floor is on show of hands. Pfab: But I mean does it say we can...is there anything to stop us from voting.., deciding to vote and have the mayor selected by drawing.., by casting lots? Karr: This motion would. Yes. Kanner: You could...perhaps you could amend it, Irvin, if you wanted to and say that we would draw from a hat and then we would be bound to vote for the winner of the hat. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #6 Page # 7 Pfab: I would...that sounds like a good motion. Karr: Urn... Dilkes: You've got a motion on the floor. Kart: I believe you already have a motion on the floor and that it is (can't hear) Pfab: An amendment. Dilkes: You can't amend someone else's motion... Karr: You can't... Dilkes: ...unless it's a friendly amendment. Wilburn: No. I will not accept that as an amendment. Karr: So if we could vote on this... Kanner: Wait can't...don't we vote on an amendment? I thought...I though we propose unfriendly amendments before if it gets a second. Dilkes: Well... Karr: If you would like to move that. Dilkes: If you would like to make that motion and get it... Pfab: Okay well then I would move that one of the ways...I'm not sure how to state that. Move that... Karr: You would like to amend by removing the nominations from the floor and vote from a hat? Pfab: Yes. Karr: Is there a second to that motion? Kanner: I'll second it for...it's an interesting proposal to discuss it a little bit. Kart: So as I understand we have a motion by Pfab and is seconded by Kanner to amend the resolution to remove the nominations from the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #6 Page # 8 floor and the show of hands and it would be decided by pulling the name out of a hat. Discussion? O'Donnell: How big is the hat? Karr: Any other discussion? Pfab: I believe that it would make the process more open. I believe that it would not require the making of deals to get the votes. And I think it would be in the best interest of the City, the citizens as a service organization. Champion: Irvin, you're assuming that people make deals. Pfab: Well, no comment. Kan': Any other discussion on the motion...the amendment to the motion? O'Donnell: Yes, I would like to say this is not a bingo game this is determining the direction of the City and I will not support this. Pfab: Okay. Karr: Steven, did you wish to say something? Kanner: I'll wait until my esteemed colleague, Irvin Pfab, goes first. Pfab: Okay. The idea is that each on of us on this Council are equals, that the way the office of mayor is put together right now it's mainly just an honorary position and.., so what difference does it make? Karmer: Irvin, I think that the idea of giving everyone equal chance does have some merit. I think there are different processes that organizations use that try and be more inclusive. And I think though that our Council is not quite ready for that. I think it's maybe, for lack ora better word, a higher form of organizing and doing process in Roberts Rules of Order. But I think like Ghandi said in terms of non-violence, it's better if you're not ready to go 100% non-violence, it's better to not jump into it in that way. In the same terms I think that we're not ready for that higher process of how we do process here at the Council. And I think we ought to work on Roberts Rule of Order which we don't follow all the time actually. I think we do need to adhere to Roberts Rules of Order even in our informal Monday night meetings and need to be more assertive in recording our votes and how we interact on... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #6 Page # 9 Dilkes: For what it's worth I think the charter requires an election of the mayor and I think it's a stretch to interpret election to include drawing a name out of a hat. Kanner: I think it could work in the terms of asking people to vote for the one that's drawn from the hat. But Irvin I think at this time I'm going to vote against it. Karr: Okay we have a motion on the floor to amend the original motion. So we'll be voting first on the amendment and that is amending to remove nominations from the floor and show of hands and pulling the name out of a hat. All those in favor of the amendment say aye. Opposed same sign. Motion fails, 1/6, Pfab voting in the affirmative. Back to the original motion on the floor. Again restated, nominations from the floor, show of hands, the majority vote being of the total membership and a visual count by the City Clerk and affirmed by the City Attorney. All those in favor of the original motion say aye. Opposed same sign. Motion carries unanimously, 7/0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 10 ITEM NO. 7. NOMINATIONS FOR OFFICE OF MAYOR OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY. Champion: I would like to nominate Emie Lehman as a Mayor for the third consecutive time. I think he's done an outstanding job. I think he's been very respectful to this Council and helped move us along. And I think he's done a great job. I'd like to see him continue for two more years. O'Dormell: I would be very proud to second that and I echo Connie's sentiments. Karr: Okay, we have one nomination received and moved by Champion, seconded by O'Donnell nominating Council Member Lehman for Mayor for a third term. Are there other nominations? Kanner: I'd like to nominate Connie Champion for Mayor. Pfab: And I would second that nomination. Karr: We have a motion by Karmer as seconded by Pfab for a nomination of Connie Champion for Mayor. Are there other nominations? Kanner: I'd like to nominate Dee Vanderhoef. Karr: Is there a second? Pfab: I'll second it, gladly. Karr: Moved by Kanner, seconded by Pfab to nominate Council Member Vanderhoef for mayor. Are there other nominations? Champion: I appreciate Mr. Kanner's nomination for me for mayor. Thank you very much. That was really nice of you but I'd like to remove my name. Karr: Okay. Let the record show that Council Member Champion has removed her name from nomination for mayor. So we've got two nominations on the floor. Are there other nominations? Pfab: Yes. At this point I'd like to nominate our very valuable Mayor Pro tern as possible mayoral candidate. Kart: Mr. O'Donnell? Pfab: Mr. O'Donnell. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 11 Kart: Is there a second? O'Donnell: I appreciate that very much but I'll also decline that Irvin. I will put my hat in the ring for Mayor at a future date but it will not be this time. Kart: Okay. Let the record show that Council Member O'Dormell has declined it. Also dies for lack ora second. Are there other nominations? Vanderhoef: I would like to say that I have said publicly before that if this Council wanted me to be Mayor that I would accept and that I truly support Ernie also for being Mayor. Karr: Third and final call for nominations for the office of Mayor. Kanner: I'd like to nominate Irvin Pfab. Karr: Is there a second? Pfab: I guess that maybe I should second it just for the sake. Karr: Okay so we have moved by Kanner, seconded by Pfab that Council Member Pfab be nominated for the office of Mayor. Are there any other nominations? Third and final call for nominations for Mayor. If not I'll entertain a motion... Wilbum: (can't hear) to close nominations. O'Donnell: I second that. Karr: Moved by Wilburn, seconded by O'Donnell for nominations to close. All those in favor say aye. (all ayes) Motion carried. Again, agreeing to the method of voting as a show of hands and a majority vote being total membership, we'll go... Kanner: Wait, wait, who are the nominees? And I wanted to have some discussion on this. Karr: Okay. We have nominees Lehman, Vanderhoef, Pfab. We will be voting in that order. Kanner: I had questions for the candidates. A couple questions for the candidates. Karr: Go right ahead. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 12 Karmer: Hopefully most of you got to see your packets yesterday. 1 had inserted a sheet in there that appeared in the packet. My major concern is process and I'd like to see a mayor that works for to promote inclusiveness from staff, from fellow City Council Members, and from citizens and businesses of Iowa City. And so to that end I had some proposals. And the big ones I had are at the top, the first two proposals. And I was wondering if the candidates for mayor could speak to those? The first one would be to alter the process by which we put items on our formal agenda on Tuesday. And so I would ask that any City Council Member be allowed to put a proposed resolution ordinance on the formal Tuesday night agenda. Also allow individual City Council Members to put an item on the informal Monday night session agenda for discussion. Pfab: Could I ask you...comment on that. Could I comment on that? Kanner: I just wanted to say one thing, one other thing. It doesn't make sense to me from an organizational point of view that you need four votes to put something on the agenda. I think you build up to that. You have a lower threshold, I think most organizations allow individual members to put something on the agenda, then the majority if they wish to vote it out that's fine. But I think we need a lower threshold than a majority to get something on the agenda for the majority to potentially pass. Pfab: Would you accept a...would you be comfortable with two, two people agreeing to get it on the agenda? Kanner: It's something I would consider as yeah for something to have a second, a second (can't hear) Pfab: I would...I'd strongly support it that way. Champion: You know, we could ask that as a Council, Steven, that two...if two people want something on a work session agenda to see if it should go on a formal agenda, 1 think most of us would agree to that. I don't understand why you'd want to put it on a formal agenda when we don't know if there's going to be any action. Lehman: Well...just...can I respond? Champion: I'm sorry. Lehman: I think these are questions that the Council needs to ask, needs to for direction obviously. But the agenda and the work session, those...what appears on those things are largely governed by what Council would like to see there. Now if we want to change the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 13 procedure certainly Council can do that but I don't think those are decisions that are going to be made by me, if I'm mayor, or anybody else as mayor. They're Council decisions. Kauner: Ernie, just to respond to that. I think that the Mayor is the main facilitator and chairperson of our body of City Council and they point us in the direction of how we do process. So I think it is important to hear from the Mayor which way they want the Council to go in. Especially in terms of this point that I'm making here. I would appreciate an opinion for you. Lehman: Well first of all I do not agree that any person on the Council can place an item on the agenda whether it be a work session or a formal council meeting. I think that...I think that is way too low a standard. Do we have to have four? I don't think we have to have four but I think we need some direction from Council as to what they would like to see. But if there is general interest in looking at something.., if there's an interest of two or three folks that want to do it, I don't mind doing that. But to have any, and I'm speaking as a Councilperson not as the Mayor because I think this is a decision that Council would have to make. I would not support any proposal that would allow any Council Member to put anything on the agenda whenever they wanted to. I think that's...I would not (can't hear) Pfab: Okay to follow up what you stated, Ernie, what do you think is the right number? If four is too many and one isn't enough, where would you come down? Lehman: Out of seven people I think if there isn't three that there's not enough interest. Vanderhoef: Well I think we all have the opportunity in our Council time to put out for the whole Council to understand what specific things are of interest to us. And sometimes they don't reach that threshold of enough people interested and sometimes it's for lack of information and we have moved forward on things like that when we all recognize that we don't have enough information. Sometime it's not something that we are interested in or it hasn't reached the threshold to go on to the list for a Monday night informal above the other things that are on our pending list. So having two or three people say that yes they would like to have it go on the pending list doesn't mean that it will go immediately to the next council meeting. And I think that's something that we all have to talk about. But that's the way I would view it. Pfab: But there's only...there's one thing that I would...that cause me some difficulty and that is the fact that at the council time there's no more This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 14 decisions, nothing can be done. You're at the end of...it's all over. And if something that's relatively time sensitive it's.., there's nothing you can do about it. Vanderhoef: But I think we have legal counsel that frequently tells us because we brought it up at council time we can not get into a long lengthy discussion because it wasn't on the agenda. And the reason we have an agenda is to be sure that the public has an opportunity for input to us and to be present for the discussion. Pfab: But...just enough discussion to decide if you want to get it on the agenda though ! think that's a problem that I don't...I wish was different. Vanderhoefi Well I think that's something that we have to look to legal of how we can do that. Pfab: I mean that's why I would say two or three at the minimum. I'd like to see it maybe two but... Vanderhoef: Well I think we can talk about that and two or three is probably appropriate. Pfab: So you're saying you'd support three I think in answer to what Steve was asking. Vanderhoef: Um-huh. Kanner: And then point number two. My final point today and then ! hope people will peruse the sheet for the rest of the points and then see if we can talk about some of these further. Currently we need a threshold of four again to direct the staff to do any substantial research into an issue. So ifa Council Member or a minority proposes something and they want to convince the other Council Members...one, you should do your own research but two, there's often times you need staff to look into it. So it seems we need four people to get research from staff to then try to convince four people to vote for a proposal. And I think the threshold should be lower again. That it should be two or three people can request from staffto look into an issue. That's my point number two. Allow any City Council Member with a second ora fellow member to request staff research into proposed issue, resolmions or ordinances. And so I was wondering what the candidates felt about that. Pfab: What you said...how many people? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 15 Kanner: Allow any City Council Member with the second ora fellow member to request staff research into a proposed issue, resolution or ordinance. Pfab: I wouldn't have any problem but I guess maybe at the same time I wouldn't have any problem if it was a third person. Vanderhoef: Well for my perspective, research takes staff time and when we have a large pending list and a large work level of work to do and to approach that two person level creates a staffing situation. And if you've perused the budget right now, adding additional staff at this point. So I think we have to be very mindful of the city budget when we look at asking staff to do additional research until.., if it's something that you want research on and if you get that level of three people who would like to talk about it at an informal and at that time put the issue on the pending list...there wouldn't be any guarantees to when that could rise to the top of the pending list to go on. So until I saw the opportunity in the timing of doing additional research for something like that, I would not put my staff in the position of gathering research on something that I didn't think would come to the top of the pending list for say six or eight months. Kanner: And just to follow up on what you said, Dee, I hear what you're saying and I would say that just like we would...I think we would respect fellow City Council Members to be judicious in what they ask for in staff time. I believe we're responsible folks. The mayor would be responsible in seeing that it came up in some timely manner. I wouldn't expect it to come right to the top of the list but yeah go...pending list because that's part of our agenda in the future. And that the mayor would take that into account. Vanderhoef: So what you're saying thought, Steven, is that to get something on the pending list we're talking about three. But now you're asking for the two... Kanner: Currently we need four. We need four. I would say it should be a lower level. I proposed two. I would be willing to compromise at three. It sounds like you might be willing to do that or consider that. Vanderhoef: But the compromise then needs to be also on the research. Kanner: What I'm saying is yeah that three people can... Vanderhoef: Okay but what you have... Kanner: ...can suggest that... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 16 Vanderhoef: ...what you have written is two. Kanner: I said two but I saying I'm willing to compromise. I prefer two. I'd be willing to compromise and hope that we could...that the mayor would see that we need something under the majority sometimes. Pick something into a little bit of action. Lehman: Well Steven let me just respond. If Council were to decide that three members can put something on a work session, which I don't have a problem with, and if this is an item that is of significant interest that it makes a work session and if the work session after discussing this item wishes to see staffdo research work on it then I would have no problem what so ever. But as far as two people requesting staff...there are some things that require enormous amounts of time and I think it's unfair to the rest of the Council and to the staff to have an enormous amount of time put in on something where there's interest on only one or two Council People. So I would never support staff doing inordinate amount of work at the request of one or two Council People when they do not have the support of the Council. But if we can...if we adopt a policy that we can put something on the work session with three votes and after discussion at the work session we decide we want staff input, I would have no problem what so ever with that. And I think that really is probably the way it should go. Because that at least at that time it's had an opportunity to be discussed by the entire Council and if there's interest in doing staff research certainly then it has the support of the staff. Karr: I'll now proceed with the balloting as agreed to the method of voting would be a show of hands and we'll go in the order of the nominations. Again just to reaffirm, we have three candidates: Lehman, Vanderhoef, Pfab. And each per...Council Member will get one vote. You will not vote multiple times. P fab: Say it...say it again. Karr: Each Council Member will get one vote. A Council Member can not vote multiple times. Pfab: Okay, what I tmderstood you to say that we were going to see it there was four votes for the first one, then we're going to see if there's four votes for the second one. Is that what you're saying? Karr: That's correct. But if there are four votes...whenever four votes are achieved it's over. Pfab: Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #7 Page # 17 Karr: Because you can not get more then four votes once. Pfab: No, no but they would be separate ballots. Kart: If need be yes. If there's a possibility... Pfab: And that we're voting for mayor and mayor only. Kart: That's correct. Champion: It could be a primary. Kart: Okay show of hands for Council Member Lehman as Mayor. For the record... Vanderhoefi I see four, I will go ahead and vote for the fifth for Emie. Karr: So we have Vanderhoef, Wilbum, Lehman, O'Donnell, and Champion. Five votes. I declare Council Member Lehman as Mayor for a two- year term. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 18 ITEM NO. 8. NOMINATIONS FOR OFFICE OF MAYOR PRO TEM OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY O'Dom~ell: I would like to say something first. I've served Iowa City's Pro rem for the last two years and at this time I am withdrawing my name for any consideration for Mayor Pro tem. I believe this is something we should pass around and I proudly nominate my good friend Connie Champion. Lehman: I would...first let me say that I certainly would be more than pleased and I'm sure the rest of the Council to work with anyone sitting up here as Mayor Pro tem but Connie Champion has just been re-elected by a rather significant margin. Her experience on the Council, I think, has been positive. She served it for several years on the school board and I would like to second her nomination. I think she would be a good Mayor Pro tem. Karr: Moved by O'Donnell, seconded by Lehman for Council Member Champion to be Mayor Pro tem. Are there other nominations? Wilburn: I'd like to nominate Dee Vanderhoef. Pfab: And I would happily second that. Wilburn: I think also on her last re-election she had a strong showing. She's shown that she does her homework before each and every meeting. And even in the times we've disagreed we still walk away willing to work with each other. So, proud to nominate her. Karr: Moved by Wilbum, seconded by Pfab to nominate Council Member Vanderhoef for Mayor Pro tem. Are there other nominations? Second call. Are there other nominations? Third and final call for nominations for Mayor Pro tem. Hearing that I'll entertain a motion to close nominations. Lehman: So moved. O'Donnell: So moved. Wilburn: Second. Karr: Moved by Lehman, seconded by Wilburn to close nominations. We'll proceed with voting. Kanner: I have one question for the two candidates. Can you define Pro tem? What does that mean? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 19 Wilbum: You mean the duties of Pro tem. Kanner: But your... Wilburn: Oh, sorry. Kanner: No, what...well actually the duties too but actually what does it literally mean, Pro tem? And what are the duties of Pro tern. Vanderhoefi Pro tem is one of those times where you fill in when the Mayor is unable to serve. Duties are as any other Councilperson. What ever the assignment might be from the mayor or from the Council. That's the duties. Champion: I think it refer...exactly what Dee says. That you are there to serve when the mayor is unavailable. I think also one of your duties is to do maybe do things that the mayor is unable to do because of time limitations, or vacations, or jobs, or something that you're asked to do. I also think that ordinarily... I think in some cases it means that you would move on to be the next mayor. It's a preparation time. It's getting prepared to do other things. But I guess it can be other things too but that's all I'm going to say. Kanner: I had a question for the City Attorney. One of the duties of the Mayor is the ability to call curfew in a state of emergency, in the City. I believe that's been our City Charter. If the Mayor is out of town do we...does the City Manager then go directly to the Pro tern in regards...let's say there was a state of emergency of some sort in Iowa City... Dilkes: Well before I would give you an ans...a definitive answer to that question I'd want to look at that ordinance but my assumption would be yes, that we would look to the Mayor Pro tem. Kanner: That's correct right? Atkins: Yes. Kmmer: They call the person. Atkins: Practically speaking that's exactly what I would do. Karmer: And that's in...that in the...did I state that right, that ordinance.., charter? Atkins: I think it's in the Charter ordinance. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 20 Kanner: Yeah. Atkins: Yeah. Dilkes: I don't think the emergency procedures are in the charter. Atkins: Procedures are not. Dilkes: They're in the... Atkins: The Mayor has the ability... Dilkes: The fact that the Mayor Pro tem fills in for the mayor is in the charter. Atkins: Yes. Dilkes: The emergency procedures are, ! believe, are in a separate ordinance but again I have no looked at that. Pfab: Mr. Mayor I would like to know what is on the table here. I have a question... Karr: There is nothing. I'm about ready to call for the vote on Mayor Pro tem... Pfab: No, no. Okay then I would like to ask this. What does...how...you say we vote for one at a time? Where does it say it that way in Roberts Rules of Order? I'm never... Karr: The method of voting that you determined under item number 6 was a show of hands and the total membership...the majority vote being a total membership. So a majority vote would be four, each person... Pfab: But why can't we vote like in a general election. Vote for whoever's a candidate? Kanner: I think the point Irvin's bringing up is that if you do not vote for the first candidate your vote's not recorded at all. And if there's more than v,vo candidates you're not getting a sense of who the Council Member is voting for. And I think we probably should have...maybe I should have voiced an objection. We should have gone through each of the candidates. Usually in any organization that uses Roberts Rules of Order you tend to read all three candidates. And perhaps we made a mistake in not doing that. O'Donnell: But I think it's reasonable to assume that if one candidate gets four votes then obviously... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 21 Lehman: The other one can't. O'Donnell: ...the three that didn't vote are the ones that didn't support the first candidate that got four votes. Kanner: But, Mike, we're also held accountable by our votes. And I think it's a good thing for the community to see who we vote for even if you don't vote for the majority person. O'Donnell: And I think that'll be reported. Karmer: Well, no because we had five people that voted for the first candidate and there were two other candidates so it's not known who Irvin and I would have voted for. So... Karr: If the majority of you would like to go back and...we had one vote. The first candidate was Council Member Lehman. On a five...with five affirmative votes. We certain can, if you'd like to for the record, just go through the other two votes. Dilkes: That's fine. O'Dormell: I don't think that's necessary. Pfab: I would support that but that really wasn't my question. My question... Karr: Well can we resolve that question before we get to another one. Pfab: Surely. Dilkes: I think the issue we're talking about is, as I understand what Steven's saying, is that we have five people who have indicated who they want for Mayor. We have two people who have not and there are two other candidates. If those two individuals would like to indicate who they would vote for between the remaining two candidates, Vanderhoef and Pfab, I don't see any problem with that. Champion: I don't either. O'Donnell: Let's do it. Get it over with. Kanner: And also I would ask for Pro tern that even though there are only two that we officially ask for each candidate also. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 22 Karr: Okay. That's fine. Then lets resolve this, the Mayor issue, so we can put that to closure. Okay, we have a show of hands for Council Member Vanderhoef for Mayor please. And that would be Kanner and Pfab. And we have a show of hands for Council Member Pfab. Pfab: I guess I'd have to vote... Dilkes: No. Kan': No, you can't. ? fab: Why? Kan': You have one vote. Dilkes: That's the one vote issue. Kanner: (Unless you're from Chicago, Irvin)? Pfab: So I'm (can't hear) used. Okay. But that... Kan.: Now... Pfab: ...my question is, under one coming up. Why don't we vote for who is going to vote for who and just.., or show of hands. Kan': We will have a show of hands for each of the nominees. Lehman: There's only two which obviously... Karr: But you can only vote once. Pfab: Okay. All right. O'Dormell: (can't hear) can explain it. Pfab: But so is there a decision on who you vote for (first)? Kan': That should be made by you. Each individual Council Member would... Pfab: No but okay...so... Karr: We will vote in the order nominated. Champion was first. Vanderhoef was second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 23 Pfab: But does it have to be that way? Lehman: Why wouldn't it be that way? Karmer: (can't hear) that was what was suggested by the Clerk. Pfab: Okay. Kanner: Do you have an objection to that? Pfab: Well, why can't we vote for both of them at the same time? Lehman: That's pretty hard to do. Pfab: Okay. O'DonneIl: Both hands or what? Karr: Yeah...I...how...I would entertain... Wilbum: Since there's two people... Vanderhoefi The only way you could do that is on a ballot. You could do that. Dilkes: If we were doing it by ballot. If we were doing it by ballot and you each were turning in a slip of paper or whatever then it would be different but... Karr: But you did not agree to vote by ballot. Kanner: It exists under Newtonian physics and I'm fond of physics, too. Separate votes we have to have. Karr: I'm not good at physics. Okay? Can we proceed with the show of hands for Council Member Champion for Mayor Pro tem? And I show three: Lehman, O'Donnell, and Champion. For Council Member Vanderhoef for Mayor Pro tem? I show four. I show Wilbum, Kanner, Vanderhoef and Pfab. Therefore, I declare Council Member Vanderhoef... Lehman: Ma...Madam Chairman, may I as...change my vote and concur with Ms. Vanderhoef so we have a five two vote? Champion: I think we should... Karr: I don't...I... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #8 Page # 24 Lehman: Can't do that. Can we do that? Kan': I... Kanner: Yeah, I don't think... Pfab: You've already voted. You only vote once. Dilkes: We voted. O'Donnell: Why are you and Irvin having so much trouble? Lehman: I want to show my support... Kart: Your temporary chair would love to swear in the mayor and mayor pro tern... Champion: (can't hear) do that. Lehman: All right. Kan:: ... so she could relieve herself of this fine honor. Lehman: Fine. I just wantedto showmy... Karr: Could we proceed? Lehman: ...for the newly elected Mayor Pro tem. Champion: We will all totally support both of you. I think that's important that that be said. Vanderhoef: Thank you. I appreciate that. Karr: Okay? O'Donnell: Let us move. Karr: Stand close to the mics so we can it up. Lehman: Stand (can't hear) Champion: Get out of our way. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #9 Page # 25 ITEM NO. 9. MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM SWORN IN (Clerk administers oath to Mayor and Mayor Pro tem) Lehman: Before we do that I would really, really like to say to the Council, we've gone through the process of electing a mayor and mayor pro tem. There's obviously some difference of opinion on this Council. There have been for some time but I would really encourage all of us to put our differences behind us. I mean, after all we are the team that is in charge of running this community. And ! think sometimes petty differences and disagreements between us should not be cause for less than stellar government in the community. So I look forward to this group working together as much as we possible can for what's in the best interest of Iowa City. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. # 10 Page # 26 ITEM NO. 10. MOTION FOR CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS Lehman: The first committee is the Rules Committee. Last year myself and Connie Champion served on that committee. Vanderhoef: You did a good job. Champion: It was a lot of work. Vanderhoef: You (can't hear) do that one again. Lehman: All right, do we want to do the same too again. Is that... O'Donnell: Sounds like a wonderful idea. Vanderhoef: That's fine. Lehman: Let's do that for now. Emergency Management? Champion: Mike, can't you do that? Wilburn: Irvin did that. Pfab: I served on that. Champion: Irvin did. Pfab: Yeah. Lehman: Would you like to do that again? Pfab: I'I1 be happy to. Lehman: All right. Pfab: Somebody needs...wants it worse than I do they can have it, too. Lehman: All right. JCCOG? I would like to encourage Council to do the same as last year which would mean that each of the Council People, with the exception of the mayor, would serve on that Council. And I would love to do but there's only so much time. Is that all right with the Council? Pfab: Fine with me. Karr: With the Mayor serving as alternate then? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #10 Page # 27 Lehman: Yes, I would serve as an alternate. The Convention and Tourism Bureau. I served on that one last year. I would be willing to do that again unless someone has a burning desire to do that. Vanderhoef: I think that's appropriate since you have...are sitting as Mayor... or as chair elect. Lehman: Something to be said for that. Vanderhoef: Yeah. Lehman: Student Senate Subcommittee? Vanderhoef: That's been Steven. Wilburn: That was Connie and me. Champion: No. Karr: Wilburn and Champion. Wilburn: But... Lehman: Pardon? Kart: Wilburn and Champion. Champion: I think it would be good change that. Wilburn: That's probably a good idea. Just to give them a different look. Lehman: Steven? Kanner: (can't hear) Champion: Steven and Mike maybe. Lehman: All right. O'Donnell: No, ~vith my work on SEATS and JCCOG I'm really pretty tied up on that. Pfab: I would volunteer if...but at the same time not getting in anybody else's way if they want it. Champion: What about Dee? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #10 Page # 28 Karmer: Yeah, what...Dee would be... Vanderhoefi One of the things that I've talked to some of you about at least is the East Central Iowa Council of Government and the Chief Elected Officials which traditionally we've...we have to vote on it by law at JCCOG. However, the tradition is that there is one appointment from this Council. I am just completing my four years on the exec committee and the last two years as chair on that. I thoroughly enjoy doing that job and I would continue to do it however I also feel that that particular committee is a place where you expand and get new ideas that you bring back to the Council and you have a more regional look at things. So I want to be sure that people offhere looking at that possibility and I don't know what works in their work schedules about meeting at 1:00 on the forth Thursday...or the last Thursday of every month. Lehman: That is time consuming. It is... Vanderhoefi It is very time consuming. Lehman: It's rewarding as well. I did that for three years. Well as far as the Student Senate Committee, would you be willing to do that Dee? Vanderhoef: I can do that but I...if I do that it's like then maybe the COG is more than what I should do. I want to give people opportunities to... Lehman: Well, I think we should try to get... Vanderhoef: Do you want to do it again Ross? Lehman: We can always... Wilburn: Um, I'd be willing to take a look at the COG. Lehman: Well why don't we, for the time being, put you down Dee for... Vanderhoef: Okay. Lehman: ...the Student Senate. Vanderhoef: Okay. Lehman: And we'll...you will discuss with Ross the... That is an interesting group. Vanderhoefi It really is. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #10 Page # 29 Wilburn: That's what I've been told. Lehman: Eight counties, is that right? Vanderhoefi No. Six counties. Lehman: Six counties. But it is... Vanderhoef: We have a little piece of Tama County only for solid waste. Lehman: Right. Do we have a motion to appoint these folks to these standing committees? O'Donnell: So moved. Lehman: Moved by O'Donnell. Karr: Is there a second? Champion: Second. Vanderhoef: Second. Lehman: Seconded by Champion. All in favor? Opposed? (all ayes) Motion carries. Karr: Just a clarification. So it's Kanner, Vanderhoef for Student Senate? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002. #11 Page # 30 ITEM NO. 11. ADJOURNMENT Lehman: Yes. And before we have a motion to adjourn. On Monday evenings work sessions please bring your calendars. We're going to go over the agenda for probably the next... Kanner: Six months? Lehman: Well I don't know if we'll get six months in but we can sure get two or three. Just to verify where we are. And...but do bring your calendars with you. Is there a motion for adjournment? Vanderhoef: So moved. Lehman: Moved by Vanderhoef. O'Donnell: Lehman: Seconded by 0'Donnell. All in favor? (all ayes) Motion carries. We are adjourned. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 4, 2002.