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March 22, 2006 City Council Work Session 7:30 A.M.
Council: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Wilburn, Vanderhoef (arrived at
7:35 A.M.)
Staff: Atkins, Dilkes, Karr, Franklin
Tapes: 06-31, Side 2
335 South Clintou Street - proposed historic landmark desl!!Uation:
Wilburn! City of Iowa City Special Meeting, March 22, 2006. Roll call.
Karr/ This is a work session.
Wilburn! Oh, that's right. Okay, work session, never mind. I take it back.
Elliott! I'm here.
Wilburn! I was looking at the other one.
Champion! Vanderhoefs missing. She'll be here in a minute.
Wilburn! Okay. i think we can go ahead. Who's going to get us started here?
Karr/ You called the meeting.
Wilburn! Okay. (laughter) Karin, would you like to approach the... .(several talking and
laughing)
Franklin! And I haven't had coffee yet, so...I'mjust kidding. I guess the question before
you is whether you want to essentially initiate a stay on the demolition of the
property at 335, yeah, 335 South Clinton by setting a Public Hearing on
designating this a landmark. So, I'm understanding that the purpose of the
meeting this morning is to determine whether you are going to direct the staff to
put together an application for landmark designation for this property, so that at
6:00 P.M. this evening, you can designate, or you can set a Public Hearing for
May 16th. The May 16th date is based upon the 60-day stay that would be
immediately put in place then, if you were to set that Public Hearing, because the
60 days would be over May 22nd.
Wilburn! And... what's involved with this application that staff would have to put
together. Do you have time to put the application together?
Franklin! Yes, it would not be as complete as we would typically require because you
have to have supporting documentation, but my understanding is that this would
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be done under Section C, or I may be phrasing it wrong, in which the landmark
designation is based upon the architectural quality of the building, as opposed to
its history, that is who owned it, lived there, used it. So that makes it a little bit
easIer.
Wilburn! Okay.
Franklin! Now we do have some information on it already that members ofthe Historic
Preservation Commission have put together.
Wilburn! Okay, and the evening meeting for those who could make it, is setting a Public
Hearing, both to designate it a landmark and rezoning the property. If the
building is going to be moved, then why would we want to rezone the property?
Or is that just. . . required?
Franklin! Well, if I may be very frank.
Wilburn! Please do!
Franklin! I think the reason that you would do this, if you feel that you need to do it, is to
institute the stay, not so much as for designating it a landmark.
Wilburn! So ifthe house gets moved...
Franklin! But, the other part of it, I mean, if you do designate it a landmark and it's based
on the architectural character ofthe building, and the building is saved, then you
have retained that building and that landmark, it's just in a different spot then that
which it was built.
Dilkes/ I think you need to understand too what has to happen in that 60 days, after the
Public Hearing is set. It has to go through the Historic Preservation Commission.
It has to be reviewed by SHPO, the State. It has to go to the Planning and Zoning
Commission, and it has to come back to the City Council to approve the
ordinance. In the event that the property owner protests that designation, it would
require a super majority vote at the Council level, 6 out of?
Bailey/ This is the action that we can take as Council to put a say on what we understood
as demolition. As far as I understood, there are alternate options that have been
worked out privately, that I think we should discuss to see if we feel comfortable
with those, rather than imposing this stay. Is that...
Franklin! Yeah, and you have both parties here.
Elliott/ That's my understanding. If Tom and Mark have agreed that they know what
they want to do, can do within the time limits involved, all this can take place at
some later date, at a much more convenient time and speed.
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Franklin! And I think you may want to let them put forth what they have discussed so far,
because my understanding is that there is not agreement to date with anything
contractual. There've been discussions.
Wilburn! Okay, I think, in this case, it'd be, since we don't have any information, that we
could hear from the two parties as to what you've worked out, what you haven't
worked out.
Bender/ Good morning.
Wilburn! Morning.
Bender/ I think what I'd like to do is just tell you how this all came about, would
probably be the best thing for me to do.
Wilburn! I'm sorry. For the record, could you state your name?
Bender/ What's that?
Wilburn! For the record, could you state your name on the....
Bender/ Tom Bender.
Wilburn! Okay, thank you.
Bender/ This building was acquired by my father back in 1966 so it's been in my family
for a long, long time and the reason I want to make that point is I take no joy in
tearing down the building. That's not what I wanted to have happen, and I feel
like I've been doing historic preservation myself on that building since I was a
teenager, because I've mowed the grass, and I've painted it, and you know, I've
spent a lot of money trying to keep it up. We have investigated over the years
moving that building, and just didn't get the right situation where we had a lot
available. It's a very valuable piece of ground. First of August, we acquired the
building behind it. The building that used to belong to John Nolan, 22 E. Court. I
came down last fall, and I don't remember the exact date. I met with Karin and
spoke with her about the building, and said, 'You know, I really don't want to tear
the building down, but I really need to clear that site,' because we've acquired the
property behind it with the intention of doing what was allowable in that zone,
which would be to put a multi-story building with apartments or condos up above,
and office on the first floor, and she advised me that I should contact the Friends
of Historic Preservation, which I did, and I had a conversation with Helen Burford
who I just finally met in person, and the offer that I made to Helen, or what I told
Helen at that time, is that we would like to cooperate with somebody who would
be interested in moving the building and in fact, we had an estimate of
approximately $10,000 to demolish the building. In lieu of demolishing the
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building, I would give somebody the building and give them the $10,000 we
would take to demolish it as kind of a little incentive for somebody to try to save
the building. At that time, and I don't remember exactly verbatim what Helen
told me, but I, my impression was they really didn't have the money to do that,
but they were going to talk about it at a meeting, put the word out, you know, and
see if anybody was interested. This all took place in some time, I think, in late
October, early November and after that.I didn't hear anything. So, we decided
to...here about a week ago, that we would go ahead since there didn't appear to
be any interest, we would go ahead and apply for a demolition permit, and that's
how we got here today. That being said, Mr. McCallum has come forward. He
apparently found out about it and I guess this was all spurred by the demolition
permit, so I guess in that respect, if I'd have known that's what it took to get it
going, I'd have gotten a demolition permit last fall (laughter), but Mark has
indicated that he not only has a place to move the building, and Karin has
preliminarily told me that she thinks it might fit. Mark seems to have the
wherewithal to move the building, and so that's what I think we're heading
towards. We don't have any written agreement, but I read in the paper what the
agreement was (laughter) which was pretty close to correct.
Wilburn! Welcome to our world!
Bender/ Our time line, we've notified Randy Larson that we would be tearing the
building down, and you know, we talked to Randy about it. He wanted to move
it. He investigated it and said he couldn't afford it, but Randy will be out of the
building by the end of April, and during the month of May, we would like to have
the building cleared from the site in whatever fashion that takes, and I'm really
hoping it can move. On June 1, I'd like to have that site available to do
something with. I really am not, obviously, in favor of any delay on that. What I
really would like to do is get my demolition permit in hand and see if I can work
something out with Mark. I also got a call, not to make Mark worried, but I got a
call somebody else, yesterday, that might be interested in the building, so all of a
sudden I got a really not building here. I just need to have it moved, and so I
really hope that we can do this without delaying it. Mark thinks he can have it
moved in a month. And I think... yeah, he maybe has more information that I
haven't heard, but we, I'm very willing. The offer for the demolition expense to
be given as a kind of an incentive to save the building is still on the table, and
we'll cooperate, but I really don't want to get into a situation where, keep in mind,
I've got a vacant building behind it and I owe money on that. Randy's moving
out and I have, I owe money on that building too, and so it's going to cost me
about $5,000 a month to have two buildings sitting empty, so obviously a delay's
kind of expensive. So, I hope we don't have to delay. But, our intention is to try
to save the building any way we can. But, I hope we can do it without a delay.
Does anybody have any questions about...ofme?
Wilburn! Thank you.
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Bender/ Okay. Thank you. (unable to hear away from mic)
McCallum! Some of you know....I just finished a term...
Wilburn! Please state your name.
McCallum! Mark McCallum, 811 College Street. I'm on the Historic Preservation
Commission and I don't know, for some time, made....l don't know where the
miscommunication came in, but I do know we talked about Clinton Street
properties and there's more than one property that's going to be tom down on
Clinton Street, and I guess maybe I might have been in a fog when this might
have been discussed at one of the meetings, but I guess when Mr. Otto came to
our meeting last Thursday, that's when it really clicked in that it was this building
that's going to be tom down, and where the other one we were looking at, was
way too big to put on my lot, and then, you know, obviously I stuck my neck out
and things have transpired from then, but there you're looking at a site plan,
Shelley McCafferty put together over the weekend. The history of my building,
the sanitarium building, is that I actually have two separate parcels. One is where
the sanitarium sits historically. It was a commercial use at one time, a hybrid type
thing, and at one point in the mid-80's, sorority house purchased the sanitarium
and the property next to it, moved a house off and created a very large parking lot,
of which I've been trying to figure out what to do with because I only really need,
under the current situation, I have 17 bedrooms in the sanitarium. One or two
bedroom units in a RNC-20 zone that allows four or five bedroom units. Anyone
that knows me, I always try to set myself apart from other landlords because I
like, love, and appreciate old historic buildings. I don't try to fix what doesn't
need to be fixed. Unfortunately, the zoning code, I think, and many of you have
heard me talk about this already, encourages some of the wrong things, and on
that, but anyway, I have this big parking lot, trying to figure out what to do with.
I have 33 parking spaces now, when I really only need 17. So, I could redevelop
the whole property into four or five bedroom units, justify another building, gut
the sanitarium, take out all the beautiful woodwork, Victorian, Mission, beauty
there, and do that, and so I've always been trying to look at what I call a larger
good, and last fall I talked to you about creating handicap-accessible housing,
trying to look at those type of things which I was willing to do, build new on that,
and/or in the back of my mind I said, 'Well there's always a house coming down
somewhere,' and it looks like this one is the one that people are getting emotional
about. This property is very attractive. It is very well maintained, as he said, and
it offers a lot of benefits, and the agreement I have orally with Karin is without
asking for a full rezoning of my property to accommodate this, by reducing-
unfortunately I've done most of my building rents very well, so I'm almost done
renting all my units, but there is one unit, or two units, in my carriage house that
are small one bedrooms that could be connected at the kitchen and create, recreate
a two-bedroom, two bath unit that thereby reduces one unit, but then justifies a
new building to be moved to the front side of my parking lot, or to be built.
Okay, so that is a long-term plan - I could build if something doesn't come
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available. So this building's available. We've done a site plan on it. It might be
just a little too large because it sort of... Shelley comes up with 19 parking spaces.
I think I need, I don't want to have too much pavement in the back and stuff like
that. My building will rent without parking spaces. If! had no parking spaces,
I'm convinced, because of its location, but I'm thinking, and Shelley did a really
good job designing this, I would.. .you know, expand the entrance a little bit so
people have a little bit, so people don't park in front of my entrance, which they
do right now. Create a little bit more access. But I'm thinking we might, people
have been asking me, what do I need to make this happen, from the City Council
to be specific, so I'm seeing a request coming before the Board of Adjustment to
reduce parking spaces required, maybe down to 17 on that, because Ijust don't
want too much pavement and former courtyards and things like that, because I
want to maintain the historic integrity of the site, and so, at some point, after the
property's on my property, I would like a designation of a Landmark status for
this. The sanitarium is a, has Landmark status already for the purposes, because I
think the best use of this particular property, it has a series of chambers and it's
very much like the Bostick Guest House and I don't really want to cater to more
four bedroom, undergraduate housing situations. I like to do faculty housing. I
used to own the Brown, I was the one who developed the Brown Street Inn. I see
it as a series of suites. The zoning will allow me to do a four bedroom house. I
guess I might do a combination of suites with a communal kitchen and, but four
bedrooms, four bathroom type situation, which I would develop maybe, perhaps a
faculty house or something of that nature. So, at some point, after Mr. Bender's
out of the picture, because he probably doesn't want Landmark status because it'll
prevent his plans, at some point I would want Landmark status, so then I can take
advantage ofthe new hospitality guidelines that you put in the new zoning
guidelines for historic structures that have Landmark status. And by the way, on
historic structures in the zoning code, they do allow properties with Landmark
status to exempt from 100%, up to 100%, of the parking requirements in order to
make the property more usable. So, on B I need a development agreement
between myself and Planning, and I had a sense when I spoke with Karin the
other day that this could be done. This carriage unit, house unit that I'm going to
combine, if! would have known about this two months ago, I signed contracts for
it so there's tenant rights until August 1 of 2007, so I want to place the Bradley
building is what I'm calling it.. . historically is known as that.. .on the site. I'll
start renovating it. As that becomes available, I'd like to start receiving what
income I can. It possibly could be a year-long project of getting it up to speed,
and then at the term, at the end of that lease agreement, then I would do the
remodeling for those two carriage house units, combining them at that time after
the tenant's rights. I'd hate to have to leave one or the other sitting empty, again,
because I have the same concerns that Mr. Bender is. I'm going to have to take a
loan out to do this project and people are throwing out the number $100,000. I
look at my acquisition costs to get it just basically up to speed of about $200,000,
all of which I'm willing to do and I'm, and before I'm done I'll probably end up
spending $300,000 on the property. Anyone that knows the way I do things, I'll
probably end up having that much invested. Some assurances I need from the
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Building and the Fire Department, my attraction to this building is because of its
historic nature. That's the niche that I work in. If the Fire Marshall's going to
come in and say I have to replace all these beautiful original doors with slab, fire
rated doors, my interest in the building's going to diminish, because that's just
going to make me look like everything else out there. I, again, exits and smoke
detectors and all the things that you need, typically, also the building, because of
it's commercial use, we were looking at the electrical. We believe that it's very
recent, and it's in conduit, so I've heard where houses that were built in the 50's,
recently had to be rewired, maybe for other reasons, but this looks like Romax.
that's in a tube, which should handle the transport. So I guess I'd be really
disappointed ifthe Building Department came in and said you have to rewire. I
understand I need to reconnect and there may be some rewiring budgeted, you
know, to get it up to speed, but I hate to have to rewire the whole house,
especially if it's sitting in conduit, you know, on that. You know, and then as far
as I meet two hours yesterday with a home mover. There's two people that work
this in this area. One was definitely more interested than the other. The other was
about to go on a vacation. The one I spoke with yesterday, we routed it from
Burlington Street. Fortunately, there's not much activity that Mid America needs
to do there. We didn't see many wires. It's mostly streetlights downtown Iowa
City and I guess I'm learning about streetlights now. I guess they bend or they're
on a hinge-type thing so I don't know... the mover said to ask the City for help
with tree trimming and their expenses, and that we're not anticipating a lot of
expenses from Mid America because there's just not that many wires and to be
honest, the tree trimming, it's almost a clear shot from, we need one tree removed
off the Iowa State Bank parking lot, or cut down, so they can move it laterally on
to Clinton Street, and then coast on to Burlington, and then Burlington's a straight
shot through, except for the lights and some wires, and then trees get real thick on
Governor Street, over by Maharry's house, so that's an area, before you make the
turn to College. Some other issues that were brought up, I mean, the
move...people were asking about the Burlington Street Bridge. He is talking
about a million pounds of weight, almost, of bricks. It's a triple-brick building. I
was worried about this. I've been having nightmares about a pile of bricks on
Burlington Street, you know, the.. . and he assures me it will work. You may want
the City engineer.. .it's a newer bridge. The way it will be transferred, because
it's such a small bridge, you won't have all the entire weight on it at any given
time, and so the mover doesn't see it as a problem. I just pose it because other
people brought that up to me and so I don't know ifthe City engineer needs to
check into that. He says he moves three brick structures a year. Brick is twice as
expensive as wood, but it's doable, and he's talked that he's moved an airport
terminal at the Newark Airport, New Jersey, so sounds like he's moved bigger
things than this. Structurally the building's in great shape. We went through, we
looked at the foundation. We've gone through, I'm.. .as a preservationist, I'm
excited. The squareness ofthe outside windows, all the original sashes around the
inside, I think could create new sashes and bring more historical integrity back to
the building. So I'm ready to do this, as long, I have like 20 oral agreements in
place right now, and I'm saying I'm ready to move, and he's willing to move this
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between, our schedule is actually sort of very coincides. Once Randy Larson's
out, he would start prepping the building. It would take two weeks to do it, sort of
lift it, get it set up. We'd plan to move after the students leave town, between
May 15th and June IS" somewhere in that time frame, and we'd have it all done
before June 1 st I've made, I don't want to say I have a preliminary commitment
from my banker, but I.. .at the $200,000 to $300,000 price range, I can make this
happen, and on that, and I think I'll end up spending that, and so that I have yet to, .
once I get the bids in and a firmer grasp of things, I'll be even talking to my
banker to finance this, and assuming the house mover doesn't bail on me, then I
feel very confident that we can get this done. And I'm trying to think, so do you
have any other questions of me at all?
Bailey/ I want to hear from Karin about some of the feasibility of some of the things
you've discussed.
McCallum! Sure.
Bailey/ Thanks for all your work on that. I bet you were on the phone for two days solid.
Wilburn! Has your coffee kicked in yet, Karin?
Franklin! Yeah. (laughter)
Wilburn! Okay, all right.
Franklin! What would you like to hear?
Bailey/ Feasibility; does it fit on the property...I mean, what he talked about.
Franklin! Okay, the drawing that was done by Shelley was put before us yesterday. We
haven't done any kind of analysis of this in terms of checking dimensions and
checking it against the zoning code, but in terms of generalities, the one issue that
Mark raised about the parking, there is provision in the zoning ordinance for
amendment of the site development standards, one of which is parking, for
historic buildings, and so I think that is something that can be addressed. It has to
go through the Board of Adjustment, but is something that could be addressed.
Vanderhoef/ While you're on that, since we don't have Landmark status on the house
yet...
Franklin! Yes, and I'm not sure that it requires Landmark status specifically to do this,
that it is for a National Register eligible, but I have to recheck the code. (unable
to hear) .. .on the sanitarium, so maybe that's, we could wiggle it.
Wilburn! .. . your comments aren't being recorded, so...
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Franklin! Okay. So that I think is manageable. I mean, it means...one of the issues of
course is timing on all of this, and to get, I'm assuming that Mark would want
assurances that these things are going to happen before he steps into this, or steps
in it. (laughter) Because it's quite an investment he's talking about making, and
so we would have to probably have a special meeting and it's the notice
requirement that is the most constraining on the Board of Adjustment thing
because that's set by State law, but I'd have to look at that schedule and see
whether we couldn't do something there. The other issue's having to do with fire
code, building code. Those things, what I think we would have to do immediately
at the City Manager's direction would be to bring these departments together and
sit down and figure out how we do this.
Atkins/ Yeah, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but I guess I'm going to have to be. You
cannot give assurances on the building and the fire code. That is...
Franklin! Not at this point in time.
Atkins/ That just cannot be done. I mean, you're changing from an office to basically a
residential use, and fire and building code are, could be significant expense on the
part of the perspective developer, but we can't give assurances that everything's
going to be okay, until...
Franklin! Until we get together and have this discussion. So, the first thing that would
have to happen is that we would have to convene these entities to give Mark that
assurance that everybody was on the same page, and so at this meeting today, we
can't give that assurance. I don't even know what those particular things might
be, and it's going to require that the inspectors go and look at the building and the
state of the building right now. As Mark and Tom has concurred, there has been
upgrade in the electrical. If that is not complete, I mean, we just don't know, we
don't have enough information to tell you today that all of these things can be
accomplished.
Bailey/ How quickly could that move?
Franklin! I mean, I think we would probably (several people talking at once). We would
need probably at least a week.
Bailey/ Okay.
Franklin! To get everybody together and get those things done, and you know, I'm
standing here speaking for other departments that I don't know what their work
load is or...
Atkins/ We can round the folks up, it's just.. . Mark made mention of the doors, for
example. I know full well you need fire doors in a residential use.
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Bailey/ But all historic rentals don't have fire doors.
Atkins/ But if you're going to be doing what you're going to do, I think there's an
obligation you have to bring it up to code at that point.
Bailey/ Right, but all historic rentals don't have fire doors. They don't have slab doors.
Dilkes/ I think we don't, I mean, as Karin said, we don't have the information to do this
assessment. I think what has to happen is Fire and Building have to get together
with Karin and see what the issues are, identify what the issues are and what the
possible solutions may be, but to kind of talk about whether there's a, you know,
at this point...
Atkins/ .. . Landmark status, I mean, part of the reason we're sitting here today is a
schedule sort of pursue that, and we're talking about not moving the building until
after that status has been determined? (several talking at once)
Franklin! That if there' s something that's worked out between Mark and Tom, and Mark
feels comfortable with this in terms of what the City is going to require of him,
that the building would be moved and the Landmark status would come after that,
that Mark would initiate that, as the owner. That's my understanding. (several
talking)
Wilburn! Well, you don't want to have a building halfway on Burlington, not knowing
whether it's going to crumble or not, and not know whether all these things have
been approved or not, so...
Franklin! Right, and I mean, that's what we've got to figure out, a lot of this stuff...but I
guess what I would say is that coming out of the shoot, I wouldn't say this is not
possible.
Wilburn! Okay.
Franklin! But, I don't know if it's possible.
Bailey/ You're not willing to quote odds are you?
Franklin! What was that?
O'Donnell! I'm still looking for some type of time line. I mean, I know that everybody,
can we get an approximate? (several talking)
Correia! So, if Tom and Mark are, are going to create a more solid agreement, not just
oral, do we need to do this, that's on our agenda? Do we need to do the Historic
Landmark Designation in the current spot, if they've figured it out and it's going
to go forward, is there. . .
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Franklin! It depends on how much confidence you want to have in the ability of them to
figure it out. Because all you can do with this is impose that 60 days.
Champion! Well, I'm really very much in favor of historic preservation. I also would be
totally willing to go through with this today, except that I know Tom Bender and I
take him at his word, in that he would not, he's given us until June 1 st. Our
moratorium would go until May 22nd, so I can tell you honestly that he's not
going to back out of this, and so I don't feel compelled, even as a preservation
nut, (laughter) to go forward with this.
Vanderhoef/ I'll second that!
Bailey/ I feel the same way - I feel confident. I would like to make sure that we help as a
City do whatever we can in a timely manner. I'm not saying that we change our
codes, but move as quickly as possible to actually pull this off, so we don't lose
time for Tom and Mark can move forward on this.
Champion! Or even that other third party, if Mark decides not to do it.
Bailey/ Right.
Champion! I just think, I feel very positive that if this building can be moved in this time,
Tom's going to allow it to be done, and I think we can just end this meeting.
Correia! The other thing is if we start to do this, then there's all these other things that
have to be happening that you'll be spending time on, instead of spending time on
the other things that you all have been talking about. . .
Elliott! The bottom line as I understand it, is.. . for Tom Bender, the building needs to be
either moved or demolished by the first of June, is that right? I would like very
much for the Council to stay out of it, unless we have to get into it. Ifthe two
parties and the City involved could take care of getting this done in the time frame
necessary, Ijust would hate to see June 1 come here and there's a problem.
Wilburn! Does anyone need any more information to inform the Council's decision for
those who can be here at 6:00 to (can't hear; several talking at once). Okay.
(several talking)
Bailey/ Are we in agreement about not wanting to move forward on designation?
Vanderhoef/ I am.
Elliott! Absolutely.
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O'Donnell/ I have, I've known Tom for gosh, a hundred years, and I know Mark real
well, and I know they're both committed to this, and I want to give them the time
to work it out.
Correia! And have staffbe able to direct their energies towards (several talking).
Elliott! Have you checked with Iowa State Bank.. .has Charlie Funk said they'll take the
tree down? I would hate to have all this come down to them saying you can't the
tree.
Wilburn! You'll have to approach the microphone, or your comments won't exist.
McCallum! The mover says usually he gets a lot of cooperation when it's a historic
house, but not when it's not a historic house. I don't know what the distinction is,
so is Charlie the forester then or...
Elliott/ No, Charlie Funk would be the President of Iowa State Bank.
McCallum! Oh, oh, Iowa State Bank, well, you know, and I bank at Hills, that may be an
issue, I don't know (several talking)
Wilburn! Steve?
Atkins/ Yeah, just so I understand, we're going to cancel. There were two items, historic
landmark and an ordinance rezoning the property for historic district overlay. We
don't do either one ofthose now? Okay. So we're canceling tonight, both of
those go away.
Wilburn! Yes.
Bailey/ Can we get an update on this at our next meeting, Karin, where this is?
Atkins/ We'll convene the staff on short order; that will get done right away. We'll get
something to you so you can understand if there's any difficulties.
Elliott/ Have we pretty much decided we're going to back out and let the people do it?
One thing I would like to have us learn from this, is that when somebody with
interest in Historic Preservation finds out about this, because this could have
begun three, four months ago and we wouldn't have had to go through this, so I
hope that rarely do...I think I was talking to somebody yesterday on the phone. I
said rarely do we learn from successes; we can learn from failures. So we had a
failure to communicate and I hope that the communication is better next time, but
I'm awfully glad to see the City back out and let the people get things done.
Bailey/ What's triple-brick? (several talking)
Wilburn! Okay. We're done.
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