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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-03-22 Transcription March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 1 March 22, 2006 City Council Work Session 7:30 A.M. Council: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Wilburn, Vanderhoef (arrived at 7:35 A.M.) Staff: Atkins, Dilkes, Karr, Franklin Tapes: 06-31, Side 2 335 South Clintou Street - proposed historic landmark desl!!Uation: Wilburn! City of Iowa City Special Meeting, March 22, 2006. Roll call. Karr/ This is a work session. Wilburn! Oh, that's right. Okay, work session, never mind. I take it back. Elliott! I'm here. Wilburn! I was looking at the other one. Champion! Vanderhoefs missing. She'll be here in a minute. Wilburn! Okay. i think we can go ahead. Who's going to get us started here? Karr/ You called the meeting. Wilburn! Okay. (laughter) Karin, would you like to approach the... .(several talking and laughing) Franklin! And I haven't had coffee yet, so...I'mjust kidding. I guess the question before you is whether you want to essentially initiate a stay on the demolition of the property at 335, yeah, 335 South Clinton by setting a Public Hearing on designating this a landmark. So, I'm understanding that the purpose of the meeting this morning is to determine whether you are going to direct the staff to put together an application for landmark designation for this property, so that at 6:00 P.M. this evening, you can designate, or you can set a Public Hearing for May 16th. The May 16th date is based upon the 60-day stay that would be immediately put in place then, if you were to set that Public Hearing, because the 60 days would be over May 22nd. Wilburn! And... what's involved with this application that staff would have to put together. Do you have time to put the application together? Franklin! Yes, it would not be as complete as we would typically require because you have to have supporting documentation, but my understanding is that this would This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. ------. ,--.- March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 2 . be done under Section C, or I may be phrasing it wrong, in which the landmark designation is based upon the architectural quality of the building, as opposed to its history, that is who owned it, lived there, used it. So that makes it a little bit easIer. Wilburn! Okay. Franklin! Now we do have some information on it already that members ofthe Historic Preservation Commission have put together. Wilburn! Okay, and the evening meeting for those who could make it, is setting a Public Hearing, both to designate it a landmark and rezoning the property. If the building is going to be moved, then why would we want to rezone the property? Or is that just. . . required? Franklin! Well, if I may be very frank. Wilburn! Please do! Franklin! I think the reason that you would do this, if you feel that you need to do it, is to institute the stay, not so much as for designating it a landmark. Wilburn! So ifthe house gets moved... Franklin! But, the other part of it, I mean, if you do designate it a landmark and it's based on the architectural character ofthe building, and the building is saved, then you have retained that building and that landmark, it's just in a different spot then that which it was built. Dilkes/ I think you need to understand too what has to happen in that 60 days, after the Public Hearing is set. It has to go through the Historic Preservation Commission. It has to be reviewed by SHPO, the State. It has to go to the Planning and Zoning Commission, and it has to come back to the City Council to approve the ordinance. In the event that the property owner protests that designation, it would require a super majority vote at the Council level, 6 out of? Bailey/ This is the action that we can take as Council to put a say on what we understood as demolition. As far as I understood, there are alternate options that have been worked out privately, that I think we should discuss to see if we feel comfortable with those, rather than imposing this stay. Is that... Franklin! Yeah, and you have both parties here. Elliott/ That's my understanding. If Tom and Mark have agreed that they know what they want to do, can do within the time limits involved, all this can take place at some later date, at a much more convenient time and speed. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. -.-.--"---- ---,.~,--- --~-- March 22, 2006 City Council Budgel Work Session Page 3 Franklin! And I think you may want to let them put forth what they have discussed so far, because my understanding is that there is not agreement to date with anything contractual. There've been discussions. Wilburn! Okay, I think, in this case, it'd be, since we don't have any information, that we could hear from the two parties as to what you've worked out, what you haven't worked out. Bender/ Good morning. Wilburn! Morning. Bender/ I think what I'd like to do is just tell you how this all came about, would probably be the best thing for me to do. Wilburn! I'm sorry. For the record, could you state your name? Bender/ What's that? Wilburn! For the record, could you state your name on the.... Bender/ Tom Bender. Wilburn! Okay, thank you. Bender/ This building was acquired by my father back in 1966 so it's been in my family for a long, long time and the reason I want to make that point is I take no joy in tearing down the building. That's not what I wanted to have happen, and I feel like I've been doing historic preservation myself on that building since I was a teenager, because I've mowed the grass, and I've painted it, and you know, I've spent a lot of money trying to keep it up. We have investigated over the years moving that building, and just didn't get the right situation where we had a lot available. It's a very valuable piece of ground. First of August, we acquired the building behind it. The building that used to belong to John Nolan, 22 E. Court. I came down last fall, and I don't remember the exact date. I met with Karin and spoke with her about the building, and said, 'You know, I really don't want to tear the building down, but I really need to clear that site,' because we've acquired the property behind it with the intention of doing what was allowable in that zone, which would be to put a multi-story building with apartments or condos up above, and office on the first floor, and she advised me that I should contact the Friends of Historic Preservation, which I did, and I had a conversation with Helen Burford who I just finally met in person, and the offer that I made to Helen, or what I told Helen at that time, is that we would like to cooperate with somebody who would be interested in moving the building and in fact, we had an estimate of approximately $10,000 to demolish the building. In lieu of demolishing the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. -_.~..,,- ---. March 22. 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 4 building, I would give somebody the building and give them the $10,000 we would take to demolish it as kind of a little incentive for somebody to try to save the building. At that time, and I don't remember exactly verbatim what Helen told me, but I, my impression was they really didn't have the money to do that, but they were going to talk about it at a meeting, put the word out, you know, and see if anybody was interested. This all took place in some time, I think, in late October, early November and after that.I didn't hear anything. So, we decided to...here about a week ago, that we would go ahead since there didn't appear to be any interest, we would go ahead and apply for a demolition permit, and that's how we got here today. That being said, Mr. McCallum has come forward. He apparently found out about it and I guess this was all spurred by the demolition permit, so I guess in that respect, if I'd have known that's what it took to get it going, I'd have gotten a demolition permit last fall (laughter), but Mark has indicated that he not only has a place to move the building, and Karin has preliminarily told me that she thinks it might fit. Mark seems to have the wherewithal to move the building, and so that's what I think we're heading towards. We don't have any written agreement, but I read in the paper what the agreement was (laughter) which was pretty close to correct. Wilburn! Welcome to our world! Bender/ Our time line, we've notified Randy Larson that we would be tearing the building down, and you know, we talked to Randy about it. He wanted to move it. He investigated it and said he couldn't afford it, but Randy will be out of the building by the end of April, and during the month of May, we would like to have the building cleared from the site in whatever fashion that takes, and I'm really hoping it can move. On June 1, I'd like to have that site available to do something with. I really am not, obviously, in favor of any delay on that. What I really would like to do is get my demolition permit in hand and see if I can work something out with Mark. I also got a call, not to make Mark worried, but I got a call somebody else, yesterday, that might be interested in the building, so all of a sudden I got a really not building here. I just need to have it moved, and so I really hope that we can do this without delaying it. Mark thinks he can have it moved in a month. And I think... yeah, he maybe has more information that I haven't heard, but we, I'm very willing. The offer for the demolition expense to be given as a kind of an incentive to save the building is still on the table, and we'll cooperate, but I really don't want to get into a situation where, keep in mind, I've got a vacant building behind it and I owe money on that. Randy's moving out and I have, I owe money on that building too, and so it's going to cost me about $5,000 a month to have two buildings sitting empty, so obviously a delay's kind of expensive. So, I hope we don't have to delay. But, our intention is to try to save the building any way we can. But, I hope we can do it without a delay. Does anybody have any questions about...ofme? Wilburn! Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. m ....-. _._----.-~_....__..._..'_.- ~---_..,._-_._"--,_.._.,-----~-------_._--_.. March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 5 Bender/ Okay. Thank you. (unable to hear away from mic) McCallum! Some of you know....I just finished a term... Wilburn! Please state your name. McCallum! Mark McCallum, 811 College Street. I'm on the Historic Preservation Commission and I don't know, for some time, made....l don't know where the miscommunication came in, but I do know we talked about Clinton Street properties and there's more than one property that's going to be tom down on Clinton Street, and I guess maybe I might have been in a fog when this might have been discussed at one of the meetings, but I guess when Mr. Otto came to our meeting last Thursday, that's when it really clicked in that it was this building that's going to be tom down, and where the other one we were looking at, was way too big to put on my lot, and then, you know, obviously I stuck my neck out and things have transpired from then, but there you're looking at a site plan, Shelley McCafferty put together over the weekend. The history of my building, the sanitarium building, is that I actually have two separate parcels. One is where the sanitarium sits historically. It was a commercial use at one time, a hybrid type thing, and at one point in the mid-80's, sorority house purchased the sanitarium and the property next to it, moved a house off and created a very large parking lot, of which I've been trying to figure out what to do with because I only really need, under the current situation, I have 17 bedrooms in the sanitarium. One or two bedroom units in a RNC-20 zone that allows four or five bedroom units. Anyone that knows me, I always try to set myself apart from other landlords because I like, love, and appreciate old historic buildings. I don't try to fix what doesn't need to be fixed. Unfortunately, the zoning code, I think, and many of you have heard me talk about this already, encourages some of the wrong things, and on that, but anyway, I have this big parking lot, trying to figure out what to do with. I have 33 parking spaces now, when I really only need 17. So, I could redevelop the whole property into four or five bedroom units, justify another building, gut the sanitarium, take out all the beautiful woodwork, Victorian, Mission, beauty there, and do that, and so I've always been trying to look at what I call a larger good, and last fall I talked to you about creating handicap-accessible housing, trying to look at those type of things which I was willing to do, build new on that, and/or in the back of my mind I said, 'Well there's always a house coming down somewhere,' and it looks like this one is the one that people are getting emotional about. This property is very attractive. It is very well maintained, as he said, and it offers a lot of benefits, and the agreement I have orally with Karin is without asking for a full rezoning of my property to accommodate this, by reducing- unfortunately I've done most of my building rents very well, so I'm almost done renting all my units, but there is one unit, or two units, in my carriage house that are small one bedrooms that could be connected at the kitchen and create, recreate a two-bedroom, two bath unit that thereby reduces one unit, but then justifies a new building to be moved to the front side of my parking lot, or to be built. Okay, so that is a long-term plan - I could build if something doesn't come This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. ----_._-------_.----..---- - .",.- ..__._--------_.--_._~----,- March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 6 available. So this building's available. We've done a site plan on it. It might be just a little too large because it sort of... Shelley comes up with 19 parking spaces. I think I need, I don't want to have too much pavement in the back and stuff like that. My building will rent without parking spaces. If! had no parking spaces, I'm convinced, because of its location, but I'm thinking, and Shelley did a really good job designing this, I would.. .you know, expand the entrance a little bit so people have a little bit, so people don't park in front of my entrance, which they do right now. Create a little bit more access. But I'm thinking we might, people have been asking me, what do I need to make this happen, from the City Council to be specific, so I'm seeing a request coming before the Board of Adjustment to reduce parking spaces required, maybe down to 17 on that, because Ijust don't want too much pavement and former courtyards and things like that, because I want to maintain the historic integrity of the site, and so, at some point, after the property's on my property, I would like a designation of a Landmark status for this. The sanitarium is a, has Landmark status already for the purposes, because I think the best use of this particular property, it has a series of chambers and it's very much like the Bostick Guest House and I don't really want to cater to more four bedroom, undergraduate housing situations. I like to do faculty housing. I used to own the Brown, I was the one who developed the Brown Street Inn. I see it as a series of suites. The zoning will allow me to do a four bedroom house. I guess I might do a combination of suites with a communal kitchen and, but four bedrooms, four bathroom type situation, which I would develop maybe, perhaps a faculty house or something of that nature. So, at some point, after Mr. Bender's out of the picture, because he probably doesn't want Landmark status because it'll prevent his plans, at some point I would want Landmark status, so then I can take advantage ofthe new hospitality guidelines that you put in the new zoning guidelines for historic structures that have Landmark status. And by the way, on historic structures in the zoning code, they do allow properties with Landmark status to exempt from 100%, up to 100%, of the parking requirements in order to make the property more usable. So, on B I need a development agreement between myself and Planning, and I had a sense when I spoke with Karin the other day that this could be done. This carriage unit, house unit that I'm going to combine, if! would have known about this two months ago, I signed contracts for it so there's tenant rights until August 1 of 2007, so I want to place the Bradley building is what I'm calling it.. . historically is known as that.. .on the site. I'll start renovating it. As that becomes available, I'd like to start receiving what income I can. It possibly could be a year-long project of getting it up to speed, and then at the term, at the end of that lease agreement, then I would do the remodeling for those two carriage house units, combining them at that time after the tenant's rights. I'd hate to have to leave one or the other sitting empty, again, because I have the same concerns that Mr. Bender is. I'm going to have to take a loan out to do this project and people are throwing out the number $100,000. I look at my acquisition costs to get it just basically up to speed of about $200,000, all of which I'm willing to do and I'm, and before I'm done I'll probably end up spending $300,000 on the property. Anyone that knows the way I do things, I'll probably end up having that much invested. Some assurances I need from the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. --_.~_._~ ---- --....----------..--.---.--.-.-----.. March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 7 Building and the Fire Department, my attraction to this building is because of its historic nature. That's the niche that I work in. If the Fire Marshall's going to come in and say I have to replace all these beautiful original doors with slab, fire rated doors, my interest in the building's going to diminish, because that's just going to make me look like everything else out there. I, again, exits and smoke detectors and all the things that you need, typically, also the building, because of it's commercial use, we were looking at the electrical. We believe that it's very recent, and it's in conduit, so I've heard where houses that were built in the 50's, recently had to be rewired, maybe for other reasons, but this looks like Romax. that's in a tube, which should handle the transport. So I guess I'd be really disappointed ifthe Building Department came in and said you have to rewire. I understand I need to reconnect and there may be some rewiring budgeted, you know, to get it up to speed, but I hate to have to rewire the whole house, especially if it's sitting in conduit, you know, on that. You know, and then as far as I meet two hours yesterday with a home mover. There's two people that work this in this area. One was definitely more interested than the other. The other was about to go on a vacation. The one I spoke with yesterday, we routed it from Burlington Street. Fortunately, there's not much activity that Mid America needs to do there. We didn't see many wires. It's mostly streetlights downtown Iowa City and I guess I'm learning about streetlights now. I guess they bend or they're on a hinge-type thing so I don't know... the mover said to ask the City for help with tree trimming and their expenses, and that we're not anticipating a lot of expenses from Mid America because there's just not that many wires and to be honest, the tree trimming, it's almost a clear shot from, we need one tree removed off the Iowa State Bank parking lot, or cut down, so they can move it laterally on to Clinton Street, and then coast on to Burlington, and then Burlington's a straight shot through, except for the lights and some wires, and then trees get real thick on Governor Street, over by Maharry's house, so that's an area, before you make the turn to College. Some other issues that were brought up, I mean, the move...people were asking about the Burlington Street Bridge. He is talking about a million pounds of weight, almost, of bricks. It's a triple-brick building. I was worried about this. I've been having nightmares about a pile of bricks on Burlington Street, you know, the.. . and he assures me it will work. You may want the City engineer.. .it's a newer bridge. The way it will be transferred, because it's such a small bridge, you won't have all the entire weight on it at any given time, and so the mover doesn't see it as a problem. I just pose it because other people brought that up to me and so I don't know ifthe City engineer needs to check into that. He says he moves three brick structures a year. Brick is twice as expensive as wood, but it's doable, and he's talked that he's moved an airport terminal at the Newark Airport, New Jersey, so sounds like he's moved bigger things than this. Structurally the building's in great shape. We went through, we looked at the foundation. We've gone through, I'm.. .as a preservationist, I'm excited. The squareness ofthe outside windows, all the original sashes around the inside, I think could create new sashes and bring more historical integrity back to the building. So I'm ready to do this, as long, I have like 20 oral agreements in place right now, and I'm saying I'm ready to move, and he's willing to move this This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. -~--~ March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 8 between, our schedule is actually sort of very coincides. Once Randy Larson's out, he would start prepping the building. It would take two weeks to do it, sort of lift it, get it set up. We'd plan to move after the students leave town, between May 15th and June IS" somewhere in that time frame, and we'd have it all done before June 1 st I've made, I don't want to say I have a preliminary commitment from my banker, but I.. .at the $200,000 to $300,000 price range, I can make this happen, and on that, and I think I'll end up spending that, and so that I have yet to, . once I get the bids in and a firmer grasp of things, I'll be even talking to my banker to finance this, and assuming the house mover doesn't bail on me, then I feel very confident that we can get this done. And I'm trying to think, so do you have any other questions of me at all? Bailey/ I want to hear from Karin about some of the feasibility of some of the things you've discussed. McCallum! Sure. Bailey/ Thanks for all your work on that. I bet you were on the phone for two days solid. Wilburn! Has your coffee kicked in yet, Karin? Franklin! Yeah. (laughter) Wilburn! Okay, all right. Franklin! What would you like to hear? Bailey/ Feasibility; does it fit on the property...I mean, what he talked about. Franklin! Okay, the drawing that was done by Shelley was put before us yesterday. We haven't done any kind of analysis of this in terms of checking dimensions and checking it against the zoning code, but in terms of generalities, the one issue that Mark raised about the parking, there is provision in the zoning ordinance for amendment of the site development standards, one of which is parking, for historic buildings, and so I think that is something that can be addressed. It has to go through the Board of Adjustment, but is something that could be addressed. Vanderhoef/ While you're on that, since we don't have Landmark status on the house yet... Franklin! Yes, and I'm not sure that it requires Landmark status specifically to do this, that it is for a National Register eligible, but I have to recheck the code. (unable to hear) .. .on the sanitarium, so maybe that's, we could wiggle it. Wilburn! .. . your comments aren't being recorded, so... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. --_..-. ~------ March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 9 Franklin! Okay. So that I think is manageable. I mean, it means...one of the issues of course is timing on all of this, and to get, I'm assuming that Mark would want assurances that these things are going to happen before he steps into this, or steps in it. (laughter) Because it's quite an investment he's talking about making, and so we would have to probably have a special meeting and it's the notice requirement that is the most constraining on the Board of Adjustment thing because that's set by State law, but I'd have to look at that schedule and see whether we couldn't do something there. The other issue's having to do with fire code, building code. Those things, what I think we would have to do immediately at the City Manager's direction would be to bring these departments together and sit down and figure out how we do this. Atkins/ Yeah, I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but I guess I'm going to have to be. You cannot give assurances on the building and the fire code. That is... Franklin! Not at this point in time. Atkins/ That just cannot be done. I mean, you're changing from an office to basically a residential use, and fire and building code are, could be significant expense on the part of the perspective developer, but we can't give assurances that everything's going to be okay, until... Franklin! Until we get together and have this discussion. So, the first thing that would have to happen is that we would have to convene these entities to give Mark that assurance that everybody was on the same page, and so at this meeting today, we can't give that assurance. I don't even know what those particular things might be, and it's going to require that the inspectors go and look at the building and the state of the building right now. As Mark and Tom has concurred, there has been upgrade in the electrical. If that is not complete, I mean, we just don't know, we don't have enough information to tell you today that all of these things can be accomplished. Bailey/ How quickly could that move? Franklin! I mean, I think we would probably (several people talking at once). We would need probably at least a week. Bailey/ Okay. Franklin! To get everybody together and get those things done, and you know, I'm standing here speaking for other departments that I don't know what their work load is or... Atkins/ We can round the folks up, it's just.. . Mark made mention of the doors, for example. I know full well you need fire doors in a residential use. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 10 Bailey/ But all historic rentals don't have fire doors. Atkins/ But if you're going to be doing what you're going to do, I think there's an obligation you have to bring it up to code at that point. Bailey/ Right, but all historic rentals don't have fire doors. They don't have slab doors. Dilkes/ I think we don't, I mean, as Karin said, we don't have the information to do this assessment. I think what has to happen is Fire and Building have to get together with Karin and see what the issues are, identify what the issues are and what the possible solutions may be, but to kind of talk about whether there's a, you know, at this point... Atkins/ .. . Landmark status, I mean, part of the reason we're sitting here today is a schedule sort of pursue that, and we're talking about not moving the building until after that status has been determined? (several talking at once) Franklin! That if there' s something that's worked out between Mark and Tom, and Mark feels comfortable with this in terms of what the City is going to require of him, that the building would be moved and the Landmark status would come after that, that Mark would initiate that, as the owner. That's my understanding. (several talking) Wilburn! Well, you don't want to have a building halfway on Burlington, not knowing whether it's going to crumble or not, and not know whether all these things have been approved or not, so... Franklin! Right, and I mean, that's what we've got to figure out, a lot of this stuff...but I guess what I would say is that coming out of the shoot, I wouldn't say this is not possible. Wilburn! Okay. Franklin! But, I don't know if it's possible. Bailey/ You're not willing to quote odds are you? Franklin! What was that? O'Donnell! I'm still looking for some type of time line. I mean, I know that everybody, can we get an approximate? (several talking) Correia! So, if Tom and Mark are, are going to create a more solid agreement, not just oral, do we need to do this, that's on our agenda? Do we need to do the Historic Landmark Designation in the current spot, if they've figured it out and it's going to go forward, is there. . . This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. -.---.---".--- _._-_.__...~-_. March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 11 Franklin! It depends on how much confidence you want to have in the ability of them to figure it out. Because all you can do with this is impose that 60 days. Champion! Well, I'm really very much in favor of historic preservation. I also would be totally willing to go through with this today, except that I know Tom Bender and I take him at his word, in that he would not, he's given us until June 1 st. Our moratorium would go until May 22nd, so I can tell you honestly that he's not going to back out of this, and so I don't feel compelled, even as a preservation nut, (laughter) to go forward with this. Vanderhoef/ I'll second that! Bailey/ I feel the same way - I feel confident. I would like to make sure that we help as a City do whatever we can in a timely manner. I'm not saying that we change our codes, but move as quickly as possible to actually pull this off, so we don't lose time for Tom and Mark can move forward on this. Champion! Or even that other third party, if Mark decides not to do it. Bailey/ Right. Champion! I just think, I feel very positive that if this building can be moved in this time, Tom's going to allow it to be done, and I think we can just end this meeting. Correia! The other thing is if we start to do this, then there's all these other things that have to be happening that you'll be spending time on, instead of spending time on the other things that you all have been talking about. . . Elliott! The bottom line as I understand it, is.. . for Tom Bender, the building needs to be either moved or demolished by the first of June, is that right? I would like very much for the Council to stay out of it, unless we have to get into it. Ifthe two parties and the City involved could take care of getting this done in the time frame necessary, Ijust would hate to see June 1 come here and there's a problem. Wilburn! Does anyone need any more information to inform the Council's decision for those who can be here at 6:00 to (can't hear; several talking at once). Okay. (several talking) Bailey/ Are we in agreement about not wanting to move forward on designation? Vanderhoef/ I am. Elliott! Absolutely. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. --.------.,----.--- ._------~---,._~--~-- -- March 22, 2006 City Council Budget Work Session Page 12 O'Donnell/ I have, I've known Tom for gosh, a hundred years, and I know Mark real well, and I know they're both committed to this, and I want to give them the time to work it out. Correia! And have staffbe able to direct their energies towards (several talking). Elliott! Have you checked with Iowa State Bank.. .has Charlie Funk said they'll take the tree down? I would hate to have all this come down to them saying you can't the tree. Wilburn! You'll have to approach the microphone, or your comments won't exist. McCallum! The mover says usually he gets a lot of cooperation when it's a historic house, but not when it's not a historic house. I don't know what the distinction is, so is Charlie the forester then or... Elliott/ No, Charlie Funk would be the President of Iowa State Bank. McCallum! Oh, oh, Iowa State Bank, well, you know, and I bank at Hills, that may be an issue, I don't know (several talking) Wilburn! Steve? Atkins/ Yeah, just so I understand, we're going to cancel. There were two items, historic landmark and an ordinance rezoning the property for historic district overlay. We don't do either one ofthose now? Okay. So we're canceling tonight, both of those go away. Wilburn! Yes. Bailey/ Can we get an update on this at our next meeting, Karin, where this is? Atkins/ We'll convene the staff on short order; that will get done right away. We'll get something to you so you can understand if there's any difficulties. Elliott/ Have we pretty much decided we're going to back out and let the people do it? One thing I would like to have us learn from this, is that when somebody with interest in Historic Preservation finds out about this, because this could have begun three, four months ago and we wouldn't have had to go through this, so I hope that rarely do...I think I was talking to somebody yesterday on the phone. I said rarely do we learn from successes; we can learn from failures. So we had a failure to communicate and I hope that the communication is better next time, but I'm awfully glad to see the City back out and let the people get things done. Bailey/ What's triple-brick? (several talking) Wilburn! Okay. We're done. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council budget work session meeting of March 22, 2006. ----~-,-------~_.~---_..._.._~~-_.._.__._'-~---_.~~---_._._~_.,-----~~+"-_.~-- ---.+