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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2009-11-30 TranscriptionNovember 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Council Present: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Hayek, O'Donnell, Wilburn, Wright Staff: Helling, Dilkes, Karr, Fosse, Bollinger, Davidson Others Present: Shipley, UISG Planning and Zoning Items: ITEM 6. PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS. Page 1 d) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, TO ALLOW SPECIALIZED EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IN THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL (CI-1) ZONE BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION. e) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN THE TYPE OF FENCE SCREENING REQUIRED FOR SALVAGE YARDS. f) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, TO CORRECT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE TO ALLOW WHEELCHAIR RAMPS AND STOOPS TO EXTEND INTO REQUIRED SETBACK AREAS FOR ALL TYPES OF BUILDINGS. g) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, TO CLARIFY STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO DUPLEXES AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLINGS IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY (OPD) ZONES. h) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 14-7B-7, "DEVELOPMENT FEES", TO SPECIFY THAT THE AMOUNT OF THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING FACILITY DISTRICT IMPACT FEE SHALL BE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY BASED ON THE NATIONAL HISTORICAL COST INDEXES CONTAINED IN THE MOST RECENT EDITION OF THE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD RATHER THAN THE MEANS SQUARE FOOT COSTS MANUAL AND TO HOLD ANY NEGATIVE CHANGES TO THE COST INDEX OF THE PRECEDING YEAR. Davidson/ Good evening, Madame Mayor, Members of City Council. Uh, just very quickly with these items, uh, items d, e, f, g, and h, uh, under the Planning and Zoning, uh, items portion of your agenda, uh, were all passed first consideration, uh, at the last meeting. Uh, for item d, uh, which pertains to specialized educational facilities in the CI-1 zone, uh, we do have a citizen who has requested expedited action. This is the individual who wants to get the fencing school started. Um, and the remaining items, we put staff This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 2 requests, expedited consideration, mainly just to get them off your agenda. There are actually two items I was informed today -item h, uh, and item f, uh, apparently there are, um, issues under review in the Housing and Inspection Services department that would benefit from having this expedited. Julie Toman is calculating a parking impact fee for a project right now. She would like to make sure she's using the right index so...uh, if you care to give those consideration we'd appreciate it. Any other questions about these five items? Thank you. Bailey/ While we have you there could we do item 17, as well, the Peninsula? ITEM 17. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE PENINSULA NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND PENINSULA DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, L.L.C. (PDC) Davidson/ Uh, if you would like. (mumbled) Would you like me to explain, uh, are there any questions or you'd like me to explain basically what's under consideration? Bailey/ Yeah, why don't you go ahead and do that. That'd be great. Davidson/ Okay, um, I can provide as much or as little background, in terms of the Peninsula development project in general, uh, in the, uh, mid-1990s the City purchased all of the area now known as Peninsula subdivision, as well as the area where the Peninsula park is, the Thornberry Dog Park, the, uh, the disc golf course and the remaining park area down there where the well fields are located. Uh, we needed several easements through the area. It became...working with property owners, became just as easy to buy the whole thing, get the easements we needed, and then sell the property. The City Council at that time made a decision that they were interested in the upper part being developed as a traditional, uh, neighborhood development, and I won't spend a lot of time with that, but you know, basically we have been trying to encourage private developers at that time to do a development like this. None had come forth voluntarily, so it was felt that...by having a...a public/private partnership, uh, we could...we could get that accomplished. And, uh, we held a (mumbled) days and then developed a development plan, uh, took proposals, hired a private developer, and that is the Peninsula Development, uh, Company. There has...have been, uh, four amendments to the agreement and what is under consideration tomorrow night is what would be the fifth, uh, amendment, and the amendments have primarily come forth...well, uh, there's been some....an ownership change, but...but, uh, there is a development plan in place which provides for sort of a tightened up process for, uh, the developer to proceed. We...we were not comfortable selling the entire development at one time because of the large amount of property, uh, that...that would be controlled. We wanted to make sure that we did it in steps, and that each step of the way we were comfortable with proceeding to the next step. So the...the project was broken into four phases, uh, with a, um, some...some milestones for purchasing successive phases, based on a percentage of the previous phase that had...had been developed. Um, what you have been asked to consider, uh, by the Peninsula This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 3 developer, uh, is an extension on the date for purchasing, uh, phase three. Uh, that date is currently July 1, 2010. The developer has indicated that due to some very specific factors, which...which are laid out and we can discuss, again, as much, as little as you'd like, uh, they feel the extension is in order, uh, primarily because of the downturn in the economy and the...the flood, both of which impacted their ability to sell units. Um, they...they have also asked for consideration of a change in the agreement from, and I'll try and explain this as simply as possible. At the present time, started with phase one - the developer purchased phase one. Um, City retains control of two, three, and four. When a certain percentage of units were completed in phase one, then the developer purchased phase two, um, with...with interest. Um, then when a percentage of phase two is completed, they can purchase phase three. However, the developer would like to finish out building out phase one, but there's no motivation to do so, because their efforts are focused on...on getting phase two accomplished, to that percentage threshold so they can, um, purchase phase three. Now with a traditional neighborhood development, one of the things that's unique compared to a traditional subdivision, a conventional subdivision I should say, is that the more you build of it, the more the character of the neighborhood becomes apparent, uh, and...and so we feel that...that what the developer's asking for, uh, is legitimate in terms of being able to finish out phase one and really establish the character of phase one, uh, and would help market succeeding, uh, portions of the development. So, uh, if...if you were to, uh, if you were to agree to that provision as well, the developer has built out 52% of the combined phases one and two, which would...would then make eligible, um, the purchase of phase three. So, um, those are the things that are under consideration. Do you have any questions about the development in general, uh, the developer obviously will be present tomorrow night if you have, uh, questions at that time, but is there anything I can clarify for you at this time? Bailey/ Thanks. Davidson/ Okay, thank you. Council Appointments: Bailey/ Okay, Council appointments. Board of Appeals. We have... Champion/ We didn't have a lot of applications. They were good, the ones we had. Bailey/ Right, for licensed electrician we have one for one, Matt Neumiller or Normiller, I'm not sure how it's pronounced. Um, and for a building design professional Stephen Buckman. Are we...good? (several responding) All right, and then Public Art, Mark Seabold has reapplied, which... and... art or design professional. Wright/ He did a terrific job his first term, and I'm fine (mumbled) Bailey/ Are we fine with that? Champion/ Uh-huh. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 4 Bailey/ Great! And then Youth Advisory Commission. Ross, um... Wilburn/ Two vacancies and two applicants. Um, one Alexandra Tamerius was, uh, left over from the last appointment, she'd applied earlier. I met with both of them, both, uh, have a real interest. I think both have a real interest in, uh, further exploring ways to provide direct input to the Council, and um, and are willing to have the Council approach them about considering looking at items, so I would recommend both be appointed at this time. Champion/ Okay, good! Bailey/ (several responding) All right. All right, agenda items. Agenda Items: ITEM 19. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 2011 AND 2012 SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT FEDERAL FUNDING RECOMMENDATION FOR THE IOWA CITY PROJECTS AS APPROVED BY THE JOHNSON COUNTY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. Correia/ I was wondering about Item 19. The resolution on the items that will be on the JCCOG agenda on... Champion/ ...already been voted on. (both talking) These items were already voted on. Correia/ What do you mean they're already voted on? Champion/ We voted on them (mumbled) (both talking) Correia/ They were presented. I guess (both talking) they were presented; they will be voted on on Wednesday. Bailey/ Uh-huh. Helling/ Yes, they're the recommendations of the (several talking) Correia/ Uh-huh, yep, but I recall...I thought we had a conversation in the work session that we wouldn't have such a resolution...before the Council, because that in its essence ties our hands for the legislative process during a JCCOG meeting. Didn't we have that conversation that we weren't going to have... Bailey/ There was no decision made. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 5 Dilkes/ The conversation that you had was...was with respect to a particular, um, circumstance, or recommendations at that point, but we still have a resolution on the books that says that, um, Council Members, when there's been formal action taken, must vote in accordance with that action at JCCOG. Correia/ Right, no, I understand that...that there's a resolution saying when we take formal action we have to vote that way. I guess I thought we had a conversation to say we wouldn't take formal action, in advance of items where there would be discussion at a meeting of which we are members, but that we might within the process of... such board meeting, might come to a different conclusion, given whatever information comes out during discussion so that our hands aren't tied. I thought that's what the conversation... Wright/ We did have that conversation. Bailey/ There were not four who supported that. Correia/ Oh, I thought that there were. Wright/ I thought there were too! Dilkes/ (several talking) And if that's the case, you need to repeal that resolution that's on the books. The dilemma that staff finds itself in is that with that resolution on the books, um, we feel like we need to give you the opportunity to take that formal action, if you so choose. Um, if... if you don't want to, that's fine, but we have some concern about there being a vote at JCCOG that's contrary to these recommendations and a concern on a Council Member's part that you weren't given the opportunity to take that formal action. So...so the position we find ourselves in is needing to get it on the agenda and let you do with it as you please. Bailey/ And the challenge of JCCOG with, you know, being in a position to negotiate is the six of us don't have a chance, whoever the six Iowa City representatives, don't have a chance to caucus, and that's part of the challenge. If you go in knowing what you're supporting, it's much clearer. I mean, there's no break for people to say what position the group might hold, or what...how they want to answer any questions that come forward from the Iowa City recommendations. Correia/ But I mean, I guess it just...it seems to me that it breaks down the independence of anybody at that meeting acting in a regional fashion... and given new information, at that meeting. I mean, I'm just...I think that in order for JCCOG to feel that it's not just, um, what's the word? You know, we're there because we have to be and we will always vote as a block because we're setting this resolution in advance that that doesn't set up trust between the governmental bodies. Bailey/ Well and I thought that's why at the JCCOG meeting these were presented so it would give us the opportunity to discuss and...and be aware of the projects and potentially, you know, have another position that would be different than the TTAC recommendation. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 6 Champion/ And I...I really...I disagree with you, Amy, in the sense that I think we're there to represent Iowa City, as a group, and I think that's really important that we maintain that. Hayek/ But...I mean, you remember that JCCOG meeting. Champion/ Yes! Hayek/ Um, how is this different from that? I...I feel like it's... Bailey/ This is the TTAC recommendation and it's not all Iowa City projects. I mean...I mean...this is a broader array. I mean, no, it won't give...if this resolution is supported, it won't give a lot of flexibility, but on the other hand the last time we were bound to Iowa City projects, which created some difficulty. Correia/ I just feel...and it's just changing...well, Iwon't support this resolution, I mean, I'll vote no tomorrow, surprise! But I mean I think that any time that you go into a meeting where your vote is bound, there's really...anybody could be there in my place! Champion/ That's right! They could! (laughter) Correia/ But I'm just saying, anybody! (several talking) Wright/ What it means is the outcome is a forgone conclusion! Correia/ Right, the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Bailey/ No, because we're not a majority. Correia/ Our votes are...of our votes. No discussion that may occur would...we would be able to be influenced by and that seems to be important to a process...a board process, to me. Champion/ I think any outside influence that could change my mind would be detrimental to Iowa City. (laughter) So...I (both talking) Correia/ But it might be beneficial (both talking) Champion/ I'll be supporting the resolution! Totally! Hayek/ Dale and Eleanor, is this situation different from the one we faced a year ago when we had this...very awkward inter-municipal...municipal (several talking) Helling/ It's the same thing. As Eleanor said, we felt obligated to put on the agenda so that you would have the opportunity to vote yes or no. Otherwise by not putting it on, we as staff deprive you of...of (mumbled) choices, by virtue of the other resolution that was passed several years ago. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 7 Wright/ Yeah, given the inflexibility, and basically the anti-regionalist...position that this puts the City in, I won't be supporting this either. Wilburn/ Looking back, um...I...I'm hearing what you're saying, your disagreement about that ability to, um, have the ability to think on mutually beneficial projects. However, there may be a case where there's, um, disagreement as to what is mutually beneficial and...but something that the citizens of Iowa City would strongly support, and, um, a Council Member working against that, depending on who's, um...definition of what is benefitting the region, uh, but I'm thinking back to that project where this rule came into effect because there was a...there was a strong feeling that this would be important for Iowa City, but also the region, but the others felt there was a different set of regional projects that would... and we had a Council Member vote against that, and I believe we lost that (several talking) yeah, we lost (several talking) project. And so that was...that's the origin of...of this rule in the first place. So I think that...I think that can work...I think that works both ways as to, and it gets down to...one of the questions is, um, are we there, um, are we representing Iowa City and how much do the citizens of Iowa City wants us to be thinking regionally and we hear that, but then, uh, again if...if, um, you know, there's maybe times when our regional partners disagree amongst themselves as to the project or projects that are mutually beneficial. So, I...I don't know that there's any...any more effective way to do this. I could see it...I could see it working both ways, that uh... Hayek/ I, yeah, I see what you're saying. What I recall from the experience we had a year ago is that...there was an opportunity for another community...if it could get just a couple extra hundred thousand dollars, um, which would have come from one of our projects because it was a big ticket one, to do something far greater with its infrastructure plans. And they asked for some horse trading to get that done, and we said no we can't. We...we can't seed a dollar to your project because we've tied our hands. So, I...I don't know. Um, I'm not going to decide tonight, but, uh...I see both sides of this. I certainly see what you're saying (both talking) Wilburn/ You know, there would be the opportunity and maybe, uh, someone with a...a greater...um...procedural knowledge than me would know. I could...I don't know what would prevent...in such a circumstance as happened the last time, um...um...now it would depend on the calendar, but voting to defer if a majority wanted...wanted to bring an item back and reconsider, given the, uh, new information. Would that be...am I describing the situation, uh... Wright/You mean JCCOG (both talking) Wilburn/ Yeah...if...if JCCOG voted to defer so that...enough Iowa City Councilors decided, you know, maybe...we reconsidered given this new information. Could they bring it back, that particular item back, to an Iowa City Council meeting, put it on a...and then if a majority voted to...to change that, is that logistically possible? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 8 Dilkes/ Theoretically yes, I think it would depend on whether you could get the votes to defer at JCCOG, and um...and...and secondly whether there was timing issues with the funding. Wilburn/ Right, and that's...that's, yeah, the timing issues could be the...but I suppose that would be the, um, more impetus for, um, some other communities to be aware in working with JCCOG on what's coming up. Champion/ Jeff said...there just has to be...the timing with the funding (mumbled) microphone. Wilburn/ Telling secrets, Jeff? Davidson/ (mumbled) Um, the uh, there's not a timing issue with the federal funds. There...the only timing issue is with the TIP. The projects have to be in the TIP when you approve the TIP, so it just might, I don't know, it might mean accelerating a JCCOG meeting or something like that, but it...it...there's not a problem with the federal funds. Wilburn/ Okay, all right. Bailey/ (mumbled) Wilburn/ Yes. Bailey/ ...good idea. Hayek/ Are we aware of any, um, any other municipality, with respect to any of these projects, seeking more funding for that project or for another project? I mean, I'm sure everyone's (both talking) Champion/ We're all seeking more funding for more projects. Hayek/ Well, I know, but this list has been circulated. Have we heard from anybody that they come up short in terms of what they think is going to get the job done? I don't know. That didn't help (mumbled) O'Donnell/ There's some real unusual circumstances of how this happened, and you know, Connie said it exactly right. You're there representing Iowa City. There's...there's so much money available and many hands reaching for it. So, you know, if...if the shoe were on the other foot, I don't believe a competitor for that funds would be as...as liberal as we're trying to be with it. You know, and there are some people that went there that would never support any road project. They believe that the car will go away and we'll only have bicycles. And, you know, that's...that's how this all came about, that we are there representing Iowa City and... Bailey/ Okay. Other agenda items? We get to take a vote on it tomorrow night, so... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 9 Champion/ Well, I don't know if this is an agenda item, but, um, I want to...someone to explain to me that mortgage business, that we couldn't release the mortgage because the timeline was further away. Oh... Wright/ You talking about on the Consent Calendar? ITEM 4. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. ~ Resolutions. 1. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST TO THE PARTIAL RELEASE OF LIEN REGARDING A SECOND MORTGAGE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2750 IRVING AVENUE, IOWA CITY, IOWA. Champion/ Yes! Um, like the one where it says, um, consider a resolution authorizing the Mayor to sign... it's £ 1. Bailey/ Partial release? Champion/ Yes. They repaid the loan...but you can't give 'em a release of the loan until...I didn't...I just don't understand that. Correia/ I think that's related to the resale agreement. That that's still in place, because (several talking) Dilkes/ It's related to the affordability requirements that are put in place by the (both talking) Champion/ Thank you! Okay, I understand. That was just that one word! (laughter) Bailey/ Other agenda items? ITEM 13. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 12, ENTITLED "FRANCHISES", OF THE CITY CODE TO ADD A CHAPTER IMPOSING A FRANCHISE FEE ON THE GROSS REVENUE OF FRANCHISEE MIDAMERICAN ENERGY COMPANY DERIVED FROM THE DISTRIBUTION AND RETAIL SALE OF ELECTRICITY AND THE DISTRIBUTION, DELIVERY AND RETAIL SALE OF NATURAL GAS BY MIDAMERICAN, OR OTHER NATURAL GAS PROVIDERS UTILIZING THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM OF MIDAMERICAN, TO CUSTOMERS WITHIN THE CURRENT OR FUTURE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, AND ON A REVENUE PURPOSE STATEMENT SPECIFYING THE PURPOSE OR PURPOSES FOR WHICH THE REVENUE COLLECTED FROM THE FRANCHISE FEE WILL BE EXPENDED. (PASS AND ADOPT) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 10 Helling/ Uh, I have one. Um, item 13...the franchise fee. Um, as you know we're diligently putting together the budget. And, um, we've discovered, confirmed, uh, in the past week or so that possibly our revenues are going to look quite a bit better than we anticipated, and it has to do largely with one TIF project that, which is 64-1A, the Plaza Towers project that has done very well and it paid off quicker, um, bottom line for that is that we think, and...and we'll have a confirmation by next Monday, we think we can defease the bonds which means we... in lay terms, it's no longer a... a traditional TIF that we have the money to pay off the...the uh, TIF debt until 2014, and that's when the called provision is available and then we can...we'll have enough money in the escrow to pay that off. So what it means is for 2011 we should be able to put that money back into the General Fund, School District gets its share, the County gets its share, and we...we get our share (mumbled) General Fund rather than into the TIF account. Uh, we also have some other TIFs that are rolling off, in other words coming to an end. Um, and the end result of that is that our revenue projections, if that in fact is true, um, will be substantially higher than we thought they would be. We do not have...we don't get a certification from the auditor on the TIFs until January, but... after the... everything is certified, uh, by the City, and the...the due date for that is December 1st, uh, we should be able to get back by next Monday, uh, the closest thing we can get to a certified...number, from the auditor. We can plug that in... in to our revenues and it appears it might make a substantial difference. Um, so...enough of a difference that...that perhaps you could reduce the amount of the franchise fee. Champion/ Can we vote to defer this until we know (both talking) Helling/ That's what I was going to at least, uh, recommend to you that you defer it, um...if we do change the number, the 2%, and it goes down to any other number, um, you have to start over again with your considerations, first, second and third. So I was going to suggest that you defer it to the 7th, which is when we have our meeting with the legislators, and do the third consideration there, or amend it, and uh... Champion/ Okay, have a special meeting you mean, cause we don't have a... Helling/ Yeah, have a special meeting, and I believe you can amend it on the floor and do the first consideration at a number less than two, is that correct? Dilkes/ What we would do is we would defer it to the 7th. Helling/ Right. Dilkes/ We would, um, amend it on the floor, and that would be first consideration, and then on the 14th we would collapse the final two readings. Helling/ Or if you're not comfortable collapsing with a special meeting we could do that special meeting and then (mumbled) and then a special meeting. Champion/ You're just full of good news! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 11 Helling/ Well, you know, it is good news! (laughter) So, I mean...you know, theoretically, for instance, if you could reduce the TIF to 1 %, uh, that would be net neutral for.. . Champion/ That would be neutral! Right. Helling/ Right, because of the, at least for three years, three plus years, uh, because of the local option sales tax. So...so, um, we'll have better numbers for you and we'll have all the things rolled in to...to our projections so we can give you some...some alternatives on (mumbled) scenarios (both talking) Champion/ Thank you, thank you! Helling/ Don't thank me yet, but you know, keep your fingers crossed and uh... Wilburn/ Are we going to be getting the budget proposal then at that time too? Or, I'm just thinking about time, I mean...uh, any time you've got, um, as updated, as close to realistic projections as possible is going to be helpful for us in...in, um, so I'm just thinking about... Helling/ You won't have your entire budget document yet, but what...what we will have is a sheet that shows...you've seen it in the budget document. It talks about revenues. It goes down through all of our revenues for General Fund, and then it... it shows the balances and (both talking) Wilburn/ Okay. All right. Helling/ ...and projected expenditures and so it's one sheet that pretty well encapsulates, probably better than any other form we use. Encapsulate the budget and again, it's only projections and there's some squeezing to do during...during the budget process, but if the projections look like we hope...it's going to make the process a little easier. Wilburn/ Thank you. Correia/ So, if the...if we would go down to one, explain why we would do that, if it's... Helling/ Okay. Correia/ If we would... if we would go down to the 1 %, why would we do that at all then if it's...I mean, neutral. Helling/ I just used that for...for a number. It's neutral because what happens is, you can't charge a sales...local option sales tax for anything that's covered under a franchise fee, so the...the rate payer, which is most of us, would pay...instead of paying the franchise, or the local option sales tax at 1 % we would pay the 1 % franchise fee. So it's.. . This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Bailey/ So we can use it in a way that's not...used for the local option sales tax. Helling/ Yeah, it's the use. Hayek/ It takes money away from the flood sales tax. Correia/ And that's...we would choose to do that. Bailey/ And it also gives money from (several talking) tax exempt properties, as well. Page 12 Correia/ But that's what I'm saying, if we...if we need the money to go to the flood recovery, I mean, we have...I'm just wondering... Bailey/ If that's the best use. Correia/ Yes! I mean, I...would we just wait and not do...we could impose a franchise fee down the road, right? We don't have to do it now. There's not a window, and you can't... Helling/ Well, if you do a franchise fee, you can indicate when you want it to be effective. Champion/ Oh, I would think that we'd need it...we're still going to need it for firemen and policemen. Wilburn/ I think that's, I mean, it's...it's, uh, encouraging news to hear that we'll have, um, we're likely to have, um, higher revenue figure than possible. We still need, I mean, we've known we still have, uh, some cuts that we're going to need to make. We're...we're going to be adding, um, fire and looking at police, so I don't think we want to put out a false hope that there's not going to be a...the issue still comes down to...what services do we want, how's it going to be paid for, and so on. Champion/ And I think the 1 % is, um, people are already paying that 1 %, basically, because they're paying the sales tax. And so it won't be such a shock. I'm worried more about the industrial. Bailey/ Well, and it could be 1.5 too, I mean (several talking) we just have to wait (several talking) I think we'll defer and then we'll get some numbers and then... Helling/ It does change the use, that's correct, uh, and as I told you before, we projected about $36 million over the four years from the local option sales tax. We budgeted in somewhere in the neighborhood of 30, um, just budgeting conservatively, uh, but...but...and also for those...for those, uh, projects that the local option sales tax is earmarked for. We also have other funding sources that we're still... still looking to for additional money so, I mean, we won't have all those answers, even by January, I'm sure, but this is an opportunity to look at the. General Fund long-term there, public safety, and hopefully eliminating any layoffs. That would be nice! Um... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 13 Wilburn/ Well, I think it's, uh, I mean, thank you and thanks to staff, uh, for, um, you know, continuing, uh, what you do every year is try and, you know, make as accurate a budget projection as possible, and uh, I...I hope the message to the public is that, you know, that it's not just a matter of picking random figures out of the air. There's services that have to be paid for. What's the appropriate, um, amount of...of levy tax and fees that need to go for that, so... Champion/ (mumbled) said that well. Hayek/ While we're still on this subject, I'm...last week I met with ICAD and they, on behalf of their constituency, are still looking for ways of protecting those hit hardest by a franchise fee, whatever the percent is, and I think they will come to us with some ideas that haven't been discussed before, uh, and ask us to look at whether that would fly, but I...I want to alert you to that because I think it will occur, probably after the first of the year. This would obviously be welcome news to that group and many other... Wilburn/ ...point out to members from that group and some others that, uh, we've got, um, budget meetings in January and February, and they're always welcome to come to those to give suggestions at that time too. Hayek/ Funny how those are (both talking) Bailey/ Yeah (mumbled) public hearing. Curious! Wilburn/ I mean, I know, you know, folks are busy, but I mean it's...it's not a matter of, uh, one look as you are all aware, at the budget. I mean, it's...it takes us several days just to kind of review the proposals (mumbled) as well as..: Hayek/ We're all busy! Wilburn/ Yeah. Bailey/ Other agenda items? Karr/ Uh, before we leave that one, regarding the 7th scheduling then. You're scheduled to start at 7:00 with the meeting with the legislators. We would probably stick on the special... or 5:00, I'm sorry. 5:00 on the 7th (several talking) we'd probably stick the formal after that, cause I'm going to guess many of you couldn't come much earlier than 5:00, and so we'll probably post it for 6:00 for the formal. Champion/ You have to post a specific time for it? Karr/ Uh-huh. Champion/ Oh, okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 14 Bailey/ But we can always start later. Karr/ A little bit later, or unless...that's what I was wondering...what time you...I could post it for 6:15, allow some... Champion/ I think maybe that'd be better. Bailey/ I think 6:15, I think an hour. Karr/ 6:15, okay. All right, and then we'll also be asking at that time, we'll take one more look at the, um, Council meeting schedule in January, because of some... some potential shifting that may occur as a result of the announcement on December 7th...6th, of a bowl game. (several talking) Champion/ The bowl game's on a Tuesday night? Karr/ The bowl game is on a Monday night, a Tuesday night, a Saturday night or whatever (several talking) Hayek/ How many bowls are we in? (laughter) Karr/ But we'll also have you bring your calendars -I'll put a note in...so we'll have the special formal on a work session schedule discussion. Champion/ Thanks! Bailey/ Thanks. Okay, any other agenda items? Let's go on to curfew ordinance, uh, agenda number... agenda item number 7. Curfew Ordinance: ITEM 7. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 8, POLICE REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 6, PERSONS UNDER EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE, TO ADD A NEW SECTION 2, JUVENILE CURFEW TO ADD A NEW JUVENILE CURFEW ORDINANCE. (DEFERRED FROM 9/29) (SECOND CONSIDERATION). Helling/ Primarily it's back on the agenda because you deferred it until December 1st, um, there is some information in your packet, uh... from coalition, uh, in terms of the things that they've been doing. Um...and I think it's just Council...I think there's some representatives here that, uh, may be able to answer any questions you have, and we've asked them also to make a presentation at the meeting tomorrow night. Champion/ Oh, good! Good! Bailey/ Good! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 15 Champion/ Well I intend, unless I hear some compelling reason not to, I'm going to support this, uh, second reading of this curfew. (several talking) I'm going to support the second reading of the curfew. O'Donnell/ You are or are not? Champion/ I am. Bailey/ Are there any questions for... Wright/ Yeah, I have a question for somebody...out of the, where, um, was it...an attempt was made to contact about a thousand households, is that what I'm reading? And it came down...330 fully responded. Karr/ If we're going to have discussion, we're going to have...yeah, you need the mic. Freeman/ Um, we knocked on about a thousand households, I think 1,011 households. Um, we were able to complete 330 surveys in about a four and a half week time span. We turned in the surveys for, um, they're not quite done yet, um, they're just about done, and we've since collected about 25 more. Hopefully they'll make the pool. So, we're hoping to have about 350 or so represented. Wright/ It's been a long time since I took, uh, statistical analysis of survey data... Freeman/ A third is great. Wright/ Is a third good? Freeman/ Great. Wright/ Okay. Correia/ 35% is very (both talking) Freeman/ Is phenomenal! Wright/ Honestly could not remember... Freeman/ It was really an amazing process. We had AmeriCorps come in and they, um, made it part of their day of service and, um, it was, I don't know, it was really... it was really amazing. Grant Wood Neighborhood Association put it on their web site. Um, we had a lot of, um, church support, faith based, um, just a lot of support and really trying to get it out and getting folks heard. Champion/ That's a lot of work. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 16 Correia/ Great effort! Champion/ Lot of work! Thank you for doing it. Correia/ I mean, I do think that...there is some...argument to be made that, you know, it is...it is winter; school's in session; there's really...um, lower reason for a curfew and what, uh, (mumbled) forward for a reason in the summer, um, and I think that coupled with some of the research on juvenile curfew really not having impacts on, um, juvenile crime or the impacts that we think that they might have, um, and I mean, I wish that we had some data from the Police Department, um, you know, so we could look at trends, um, and I don't know if that's possible to have by tomorrow, um, on calls and such in the...in the, after 10:00 P.M. or whatever hour, after midnight hours, based on the...stairstepping of our curfew ordinance, um, but you know, there hasn't...there's anew coalition. I think it's working really well with the neighborhood association and really trying to get a lot of, um, feedback and input from community members, given the article and some of the research on the benefits of community members feeling connected and...and part of, um, what's going on in their community that, um, to give a chance for this timeline to really play out, which will be done by March, April, um, in time for a summer, you know, out of school time and the input...maybe that there is support for some type of...of juvenile curfew and I...like to see that extensive community input process to be able to unfold naturally. O'Donnell/ I've had quite a bit of community input on this and I also will be supporting the curfew, um...you know, this is something I do believe should have...should have happened a long, long time ago. Um, the weather and school is going to keep down on some of the...of the offenses, but you know, Matt, you said it very...very good a couple meetings back, nothing good happens after a certain hour at night, and I believe that's true. He didn't say it -his grandmother did (laughter), but um, that is, uh, that...that holds true. Um, people...deserve to feel comfortable in their own home and uh, I support that. Bailey/ Anything else we want to discuss about this tonight? We'll have a presentation tomorrow and then (mumbled) hear from people, I'm sure. Anything...other questions? Correial Well, I'm just, I mean, I'm going to be off the Council at the point where some of this stuff is happening, um, and I know that staff have been heavily involved in, um, some staff. I know Marcia for example, and uh, Officer Bailey have been involved at some of the stakeholder meetings, but I wonder if it would make sense for one or two Council Members to be actively involved in some of the...review data, you know, stakeholder meetings, after January? Um...to have more active participation and...that's just something that I would throw out so that... Champion/ Good idea. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 17 Wright/ One more question. Thank you, Matt. Will you have any, uh, preliminary data to present tomorrow night? Freeman/ I'm really hopeful. Um, the students are...are frantically entering as...as we speak, so um, you know, regarding curfew when we were looking at, uh, curfew was a question the survey, and... and there are residents who are responding that they do in fact want a curfew. Not everyone is, um, I'm only eyeballing them as they go in, so I'm excited to see the data. Um, when we were talking with folks about the curfew, the one thing they didn't know is that of all...the wave of crime that happened from the Mother's Day riot and the...all of the riots that we kept hearing about, most of the youth involved in those crimes already had a curfew. They were already part of juvenile court. They were already, um, being tracked. They already had curfews, and they were choosing to violate this curfew, and um, when we were talking with residents about it, they um, were just feeling like...you know, shouldn't they be listening to the curfew if that's a rule, you know, that...that is it just another law they're going to break, um, is it an effective tool. In addition, most of the crimes committed, these really heinous crimes, were committed in daylight, um, and so we're really hoping that the results of this, uh, what we're seeing is that people really want to be connected, we're...people want park benches. They want, um, more play areas with places for adults to sit. A lot of people said we'd like bar-b-que grills. You know? These very simple, organic, um, ways to get people out and um, to meet each other. And we're finding people just don't know their neighbors. And for residents who've lived in the southeast side for years and years and years, they know new families are moving in and they're not meeting their new neighbors. Um, and so we're looking for opportunities to build that bridge. Champion/ That's an important one to build. Even knowing your neighbors enough to nod at them is important. Correia/ I mean, I do think an important piece, and this is more maybe a direction with internally with the Police Department is, um, building better communication processes between juvenile court and the Police Department. That was a meeting that I had had with the juvenile court supervisor and the Police Chief about kids on...on juvenile probation generally don't have curfews but...but police officers, when they encounter a young person, might not know that...that they're on probation, because there's not a system, at this point, for them to know that. You know, they can't go into their car and type it in, and so if there are ways that, you know, we have existing...um... Champion/ That was one thing the Police Chief said that, um, if we had a curfew, when they would pick up a kid for curfew they automatically go into the juvenile justice system, and then the juvenile justice system would know that this kid on probation, uh, had broken curfew, and that that a lot of times...juveniles are repeat offenders, and then that would help...decrease the crime problems also. Correia/ I think it's...(several talking) I don't think that it's...I think...it's like a tobacco ticket, right? (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 18 Helling/ My understanding of...of a curfew violation is that's...that's amisdemeanor that doesn't (both talking) Correia/ It doesn't go...they don't go to juvenile court, no. (several talking) Bailey/ Doesn't hit when they look 'em up. Correia/ Yeah. Bailey/ Is what you're saying, right? Correial Yeah. Helling/ It's only if they already have...they're on probation. Correia/ Yeah, if they're already on probation.. . Champion/ That's what I'm saying, they'll be on probation. Correia/ And if they weren't already, and... Champion/ No, that's what I mean. But if they're on probation, the police... Correia/ Well, we don't need to have a curfew in place to impact every single young person in the community because there's a small percentage of young people who are engaging in criminal activity, and sometimes the activity isn't as criminal as we all might believe, based on the way things happen in our criminal, legal system regarding juveniles, and so it's just a way to...create more involvement in a system that isn't always helpful. To the community or to young people and their families. So...I mean...I would like to see some more time given to, um, I mean, we had isolated incidents. We have, uh, we have police work that investigated and charged, um, the folks that were perpetrating. We have, um, you know, those laws in place to deal with specific behaviors, um, and so because the majority are not violating the law, I don't know why we would need to...have, make such an extreme measure because we had some overexposure in the media, and overblown, um, throughout the summer. Champion/ Well, I can tell you honestly that I had eight children, and this curfew wouldn't have affected them one bit. Hayek/ You know, let me just interject here. I...I, there's good advocacy on both sides of this issue tonight, but I feel like the purpose of this being on our work session agenda is to answer questions and get information. Time for advocacy would be tomorrow night, which is where we've conducted the advocacy on this and other issues. So I would suggest maybe we, and that's the place where the public will be and it's televised and... so, for what it's worth. (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 19 Bailey/ So... Wilburn/ It would be helpful, just for those in the audience and listening, uh, beyond, um, this particular issue, um, (mumbled) members present have heard the Council have discussions related to other aspects to this, some of which you learned about at the visit, uh, in terms of relations between law enforcement, in terms of neighborhood involvement, in terms of partnerships, um, and um, and I think the work of...the results, um, the information that we see from the survey was conducted will be a way to continue ongoing (mumbling) other issues related to this. So it would be helpful tomorrow to hear, I think we'll hear both sides, whether they agree or disagree about curfew, um, but...but beyond this, if folks can acknowledge the areas that the Council has discussed, um, whether there's...and beyond tomorrow night, things that they support the Council (mumbled) we've already talked about looking at, uh, increased officers and the juvenile officer and you (mumbled) about the relationship between juvenile court officers and police and trying to tighten up that, uh, information stream. So, uh, I guess just in an effort, uh, tomorrow night and beyond, um, you know, those of the public who are going to be angry at, uh, at each of us for our position on, um, on uh, this one item, the curfew, it will be helpful beyond this just to hear about, uh, it seems there's several areas where there's agreement, and it would be helpful to have that, uh, input and information, and continued involvement from, uh, all those that have invested your time, energy, and effort into this, whether I agree with you or not on your position. I think we all appreciate the...the interest and want to see that effort sustained. Bailey/ All right. I'm sure more discussion will come. Priorities for 20101obbying trip to D.C. IP2. Dale? Priorities for 2010 Lobbyin~ Trip to Washington, D.C. (IP#2 of 11/25): Helling/ What you have in your packet is...is the, uh, guess I have to get the right packet here. (laughter) Suggested priorities for the, uh, lobbying trip. Uh, these...these are projects that...that would receive the congressionally designated funding, um, sometimes called earmarks (laughter) uh... staff met and we talked about some of the things that...that, uh, may want to put in there. Um, certainly Dubuque Street, Park Road Bridge, uh, we wanted to include that. We...we have...that's one of the top two projects along with the north...north waste water treatment plant and we have identified, uh, other funding for...for more of the waste water treatment plant, thus far, uh, and so we thought that the Dubuque Street, Park Road Bridge being a flood project was a good, highest priority, and we would propose to ask for $5 million. Um...next is a project that we've taken before, uh, and it's been on the CIP for a number of years, it's about a $6.5 million project. Um, and that's the grade separation for First Avenue and the...the, uh, Iowa Interstate Railroad tracks. Again, a highly, uh...or very important safety issue there. Uh, not to mention convenience in terms of...of all the traffic problems and issues. Uh, but the safety piece having to do with...with two things, primarily number one, the proximity to Southeast Junior High and number two the fact that this crossing lies only about quarter of a mile from southeast Fire Station and really prevents, uh, fire apparatus from getting, you know This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 20 (mumbled) to a fire on the, uh, east side when the tracks are blocked. Um, then as a third...third, um... Champion/ Can I just interrupt for a minute? Have we ever done an environmental study on how long cars are there? Bailey/ Uh-huh. We did an application for clean air or whatever that was called. Uh-huh. Champion/ All right, thank you. Helling/ Um, third project then being the Fire Department training center, and this is one that we haven't talked a lot about before, uh, it was flooded. It's down by the waste water treatment plant, in the same parcel down there, next to the, uh, treatment plant and the Animal Shelter. Flooded, uh, and we had some flooding in 93 there, and also in...in the most recent floods in 08, um, and it's something that we're going to...going to need to relocate, and again, a very strong public safety piece here, uh; that might...you know, garner some support from some of our legislators. So, those are the three projects that we would propose to take. If, and we do have some other applications out for funding for North Dubuque Street and Park Road Bridge. If that money should come to fruition and that would drop off of here, we suggested that possibly looking at the...another project that we had taken a couple years ago, and that was the pedestrian bridge over I-80, uh, I believe we took that two years ago? Um, along with the...the North Dodge Street pedestrian bridge over 80, which is funded and... and in process. So, if for some reason Dubuque Street would fall off, we would move everything up and...and move the, uh, the pedestrian bridge to our number three priority. That's our recommendation. Bailey/ Thoughts? Hayek/ I think, uh, the, um, grade separation on the railroad can be linked to potentially linked to our preliminary discussions about Towncrest area and possibly urban renewal. Bailey/ Could be linked to Amtrak too. Hayek/ Yeah, I mean, it can be linked to other things too, but...but in terms of economic development, we're looking at that area as a possible source of, you know, for a shot in the arm and freeing up the transportation, uh, flow. It's a good thing for that. Bailey/ I think it's a compelling list. I mean, what do you think, Ross? Wilburn/ I just... Bailey/ Compelling. Wilburn/ We thought that for some time (laughter) just, uh, I...I think that, you know, it's important that this be there and just, uh...those'll be other things that we can add on to what's already been a strong argument, so... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 21 Bailey/ Does everybody feel comfortable that these are the priorities? It's important that Council is on the same page (several talking) Wright/ I'm keeping my fingers crossed that maybe the Dubuque Street, the Park Road Bridge will be able to fall off the list. Bailey/ Would be nice. (several talking) That would be nice. I would love to see that grade separation funded, but... Champion/ Yeah, I would too, but... Wright/ 25 minutes about a month and a half ago I waited there. Correia/ It's a long time! Wilburn/ Yeah, I've had a couple 25 to 28 minutes in the last...two, three months. Helling/ Well, in your CIP I think we'll be recommending that we move ahead with the grade separation, it's just that this could help us pay for it. (several talking) Bailey/ We like that! So do you...is that what you needed? Okay. Um, info packet discussion. Uh, info packets from the 19th and the 25th. Don't all talk at once! Information Packet Discussion (11/19 & 11/25): Wright/ I thought I had a question. Hayek/ I was pleased to see the, um, staff letter to the Parkview Terrace rather than the update. I think (mumbled) shows that we are continuing to keep the affected neighborhoods abreast of developments as much as we can. It's a good thing. Bailey/ Okay. Anything else? In the info packets? Okay, I'll move this along here. Council time? Budget Priorities: Bailey/ Budget priorities? I think we heard the potential good news of the budget. Anything else to tell us, Dale? Any other good news? Helling/ No. Hayek/ Do we...(several talking)...we talked about this a month or two ago...at some point we know the numbers at least enough to jump in and start, uh, figuring out the budget. Do we still need to have some sort of pre-meeting...I've done this twice already and I can't remember if we've done that or not. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 22 Helling/ I don't think so, at this point that's the purpose of just keeping you supplied with information, um...we hope to have the budget document prepared in draft form for you and...and in your hands before the holidays. Hayek/ Okay. Helling/ And uh, that's...that's still our target. Hayek/ I'm not pushing for one, I'm just... Bailey/ You want another meeting, is that what (several talking and laughing) Correia/ No, no more meetings! Bailey/ Oh, we should actually, probably! Hayek/ All right. Thanks, Dale. Helling/ And I think that anticipated maybe that, um, you might need some policy guidance prior to putting the budget together, but I think...what we see at this point in time, I think we can work... it's something you can work with in January. Hayek/ Okay. Thank you. Bailey/ All right. Wilburn/ I'll just put in a, um, another plug that, um...for a few years there's been a line item, whether it's community agencies, community, uh, events or aid to agencies funding...where we've adopted a budget...adopted a line item, as opposed to a specific allocation, so a lot of the groups are getting nervous now, wanting to know, so, you know, when we get the budget, if we can look at it, trying to keep in mind, uh, we will be assisting those groups, uh, even more in making their plans or rearrangements. The sooner we're able to come up with a specific allocation as opposed to (several talking) Bailey/ ...good point. We should probably try to make sure that we talk about that, or the line item (both talking) Wilburnl Especially you know (both talking) Bailey/ ...done that in some years, and others not. Wilburn/ But...uh, I mean, they're...they're trying to make their budget decisions now, in terms of activities that are going to happen this summer and...and those that don't receive, uh, funding, or if they don't receive the level of funding that they have in the past, they're going to have to go to the private sector and/or come up with a fundraising plan, or scale This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 23 back their activities and...and um, you know, if you can get a month or two jump on that, it's, um, it's helpful for them. Bailey/ Let's all keep that in mind and as we look at these budget work sessions, and...think about discussing that earlier rather than later. Helling/ So is that something that you want to make the individual decisions. Champion/ Yes, I think that's what Ross is saying. Bailey/ I think prior to the...I think when we approve the budget it would be good to...to make those approvals at the same time. I think that's helpful. Helling/ We used to do that and then we changed to a flat amount, and then the allocation (mumbled) Wilburn/ I just think that the, I mean, they're going through the same budget pressures...we are, and in some cases even more so, so uh, the better they're able to plan or scale back or... or create new partnerships. Hayek/ We're still deciding the...the denominator, the total number in the normal course. You're talking about how that's carved up and allocated? (several responding) Between and among the various groups? Wilburn/ Yes. Bailey/ So, if we hit...when we hit on the bottom line, actually carving it up, sooner rather than later, and we've done that in different...on different schedules, and you're just saying... Karr/ You will be having...hearing from them approximately two weeks earlier in your schedule than in past years, as well. It's usually the last part of January. Now it's moved up to the middle of January so that does allow (several responding) Correia/ For the community events. I was going to say, I mean, I know that the agencies, for the aid to agencies, their applications (mumbled) so, I mean, a committee theoretically be formed early to at least review the applications before being in the thick of the budget, I mean, I imagine... Helling/ Yeah, I'll talk to (mumbled) Wright/Yeah, I think the earlier the better for both the...aid to the agencies and the event...the event stuff. Bailey/ Right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 24 Wright/ And, if we can get a bottom line...figure relatively soon...be great to have the committee get together. Bailey/ And we can (mumbled) Schedule... Correia/ ...couldn't do it before. Champion/ No, we have to know...what that line item's going to be in the budget before we can divvy it up. Correia/ It takes time to review the applications certainly. Bailey/ Pardon me, Marian? Karr/ I was going to say in the budget you have a lump sum for aid to agencies. (several responding) That's what we do by the March 15th. Typically you've had those joint hearings. Champion/ Oh, right, but my...I'm saying are we're sure we're still going to have that line item in that amount. Karr/ That would be up to you. Champion/ Right, that's what I'm saying. Schedule on Pending Discussion Items Bailey/ Okay. Um, schedule of pending discussion items? Anything? Okay. Um, upcoming community events, Council invitations. Are we covered for JCCOG? Champion /I'll be there. Wright/ I'll be there. O'Donnell/ It's here, isn't it? Wright/ Yes. Bailey/ I think so. Hayek/ Uh, wait, that's...is that Wednesday or Thursday? Bailey/ Wednesday at 4:30. Hayek/ Um...I am 80% likely to be here. I have depositions that day, that's the only thing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009. November 30, 2009 City Council Work Session Page 25 Bailey/ (mumbled) it's on my calendar. Hayek/ Why don't you do that, and then um... Bailey/ Okay. So... Wilburn/ I always have labor management...meetings. Bailey/ So, potentially...okay. So potentially we'll need two, right? Subs? Alternates? Okay. Helling/ (mumbled) Bailey/ You think you'll be in the building? Upcoming Community Events Bailey/ Um also I noticed and you all probably received this, the Convention and Visitors Bureau annual report and reception is Tuesday night, December 8th. Are you attending that, Matt? Um, others...it's from 5:00 to 7:00 at the Sheraton. So, it'd be good to have some representation. I will be in Des Moines, so... Champion/ I just want to, uh, add that this is an important JCCOG meeting so if you can't be there make sure you find a substitute. Bailey/ Right. So we've already got two covered, um... so... Champion/ You're going to be there? Bailey/ Well, I'm on call basically. Hayek/ I'11...I may know more tomorrow. In fact, I'm sure I will. Wednesday's impacted by what I have tomorrow. Champion /Too bad you have to make a living! Bailey/ All right, um, discussion of meeting schedules, do we need anything? Okay. (several talking) We're done. See you tomorrow night! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular work session meeting of November 30, 2009.