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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-05-01 Transcription May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 1 May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session 7:30 PM Council: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Wilburn Staff: Dilkes, Franklin, Helling, Karr, Long, Rackis TAPES: 06:38 Side 2; 06:40 Side 1 Plannine: and Zonine: Items a) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 16 ON AN ORDINANCE REZONING 11.36 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED EAST OF SOUTH RIVERSIDE DRIVE FROM GENERAL INDUSTRIAL (1-1) TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL (1-2) (REZOS-OOOOS) b) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 16 ON AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2) [THESE PROPERTIES INCLUDE: 511 SOUTH MADISON STREET AND 620 AND 624 SOUTH MADISON STREET FROM INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL (CI-l) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2); LOTS 14 AND 15 IN GRAND AVENUE COURT ADDITION AND 320 MELROSE AVENUE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-8) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2); LOT 4 IN MELROSE COURT ADDITION, 223 LUCON DRIVE, 609 MELROSE AVENUE, AND OAK PARK COURT, FROM LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-5) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2); 322 NORTH CLINTON FROM PLANNED HIGH DENSITY MULTI- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (PRM) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2); 430 AND 530 NORTH CLINTON FROM HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RM-44) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (p2); AND OLD CAPITAL MALL FROM CENTRAL BUSINESS (CB-I0) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC/CENTRAL BUSINESS (P2/CB-I0).] (REZ06-00008) c) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 16 ON AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE IOWA CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI) AND THE IOWA NATIONAL GUARD TO INSITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2) [THESE PROPERTIES INCLUDE: BENTON HILL PARK, This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 2 WHISPERING MEADOWS WETLAND PARK, OUTLOT ASSOCIATED WITH EAST HILL SUBDIVISION, OUTLOT ASSOCIATED WITH LONGFELLOW MANOR, AND OUTLOT ASSOCIATED WITH WALDEN WOOD FROM MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-8) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI); PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH GLENDALE PARK, HUNTER'S RUN PARK, WINDSOR RIDGE PARK, GRANT WOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IRVING B. WEBER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FROM LOW DENSITY SINGLE F AMIL Y RESIDENTIAL (RS-5) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI); PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH WEATHERBY PARK AND THE SYCAMORE GREENWAY TRAIL FROM INTERIM DEVELOPMENT SINGLE F AMIL Y RESIDENTIAL (ID-RS) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI); PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH COURT HILL TRAIL FROM MEDIUM DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RM-20) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI); AND PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH HARLOCKE HILL PARK FROM OVERLAY PLANNED DEVELOPMENTIHIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (OPD/RM-44) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI); AND FIRE STATION #4 AT THE INTERSECTION OF SCOTT BOULEVARD AND NORTH DODGE STREET FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL (RR-l) TO NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI). PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MELROSE AVENUE, WEST OF HIGHWAY 218 FROM NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC (PI) TO INSTITUTIONAL PUBLIC (P2).] (REZ06-00008) Franklin: First item, first two items are setting public hearings, A is a public hearing for May 16th on rezoning about 11 1/2 acres on S. Riverside Drive, from general industrial to heavy industrial. Item B and C are related in that they are setting public hearings for May 16th on rezonings of properties to make them come into compliance with the new zoning code. Essentially, it is rezoning University and National Guard property to P2, which is an institutional, public zone, and then all of the Iowa City schools and property that's owned by Iowa City to PI, which is a general, public designation. And Ross, we've written them such that you don't have to read all the properties unless you really, really, really want to. Correia: Oh, I think we should. O'Donnell: I, I'd like to hear them all read. Bailey: I think you should read them all. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 3 Champion: I think all of you should, tomorrow morning. (laughter) Vanderhoef: Let's have an ordinance, so he can do it three times. Franklin: Well, it is, yeah. It will be. Wilburn: Ah, yeah. Let's move on. Vanderhoef: I have a request off of B. There's a lot of properties there and I would like the assessor just to give us the information what the total assess value is of both the commercial and the residential, and then the annual tax implications to the city and the school district and the county. Franklin: For that property that's owned by the University ofIowa? Vanderhoef: Well, all of this in the Item B. Franklin: Ok. Correia: Was all of this already, all this property has been owned by the University? Franklin: Yes. Bailey: It's not new. Correia: It's not new income properties. Franklin: Right. It's all property that is owned by the University ofIowa. This doesn't change any ownership, it just reflects the ownership. Correia: Right. Vanderhoef: And takes it off the property tax. Elliott: No. Correia: It shouldn't change it. Bailey: It shouldn't. Franklin: It will not change the tax roll. Correia: We're not taking it off - it's already off. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 4 Dilkes: It's already owned - tax is determined by ownership. Franklin: And use. Dilkes: And use, and this isn't changing any of that. Vanderhoef: But this, this total is a big tax implication. Franklin: Right. Your action to rezone it to P2 will have no bearing on it whatsoever. Vanderhoef: I understand that. Correia: But I mean, it doesn't have any new tax implications, it's already been off of, why would we have them go through all of that stafftime when it's already off the tax rolls? O'Donnell: I agree. Vanderhoef: Well, it went off just as these things occurred. Correia: No. Dilkes: No. Franklin: No. Correia: We're saying that all ofthis was already off of, owned by the University. Elliott: This is like Kenick Stadium and the dorms and things like that. Franklin: Yes, yes. Dilkes: This is just to bring the zoning in place with the ownership and use. Correia: Right. Dilkes: It doesn't change any tax ramifications. Vanderhoef: It changed when it was purchased. Correia: Originally. Dilkes: Well, years and years ago when these properties. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 5 Vanderhoef: How many of these have been in more than the in the last year? Dilkes: Lots. Franklin: Most ofthem. Dilkes: Most of them. Franklin: The only ones that would not be would be Old Capitol Mall and then there's a property on Melrose Court Place that was just acquired. But other than that everything has been in the University's ownership for more than a couple years, anyway, and in some respects it's 1857. Champion: Yeah. Vanderhoef: But you've never had it public? Franklin: It's never, we've always zoned it P public. In the new zoning code there are two kinds of public zoning, an institutional P2, which is that which is owned by entities of higher sovereignty than the City, and that would be the state and the federal govermnent. Because we can not do anything to control use of property within those. Vanderhoef: I know that. Franklin: However, those that are zoned PI are owned by the City, the County or the school district, and within PI there are certain requirements having to do with screening, having to do with parking, and those we are applying certain zoning restrictions that are in the PI category, so we have to distinguish between the two in terms of how they are zoned on the zoning map in order to do that. Vanderhoef: Ok. Franklin: So that's all this is about, it's kind of a housekeeping thing. Vanderhoef: Ok. Disregard that. Elliott: Never mind. d) VACATING THE ALLEY LOCATED NORTH OF BENTON STREET BETWEEN CLINTON STREET AND DUBUQUE STREET. (V AC06-00001) Franklin: Ok. Item D is a public hearing on the vacation of an alley that is located between Lafayette Street and Benton Street, and this is in the block that This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 6 has been acquired by the County, which will be the site of their new County campus, which includes the County Department of Human Services offices. The request is to vacate the alley, which is approximately 6400 square feet, and there will be reservation of an easement within that alley for utilities unless those utilities are moved. O'Donnell: Do you know, Karin, how many properties they purchased down there? Franklin: Well, they are going to purchase everything that's in this block. Vanderhoef: So they only have two or three Franklin: They've got most ofthem, but I think there's a couple that haven't been finalized. Actually, this is a separate property, well, yeah, there's a line there, it was Ya Ya's and. Bailey: Marti's Franklin: Yeah, were the two that are not finalized yet. Bailey: Right. O'Donnell: Good. Correia: Ok. Vanderhoef: On this particular vacation, I'm still interested in speaking with the County to see if there is a way that we can trade them the vacation ofthe alley for potentially some property for Shelter House in that area. I think it would be a good area for Shelter House to be located and to take it out of that south property, certainly, it would be something if they had an opportunity to move and stop the court case that's going on, if they could just walk away from that. So I'd like to discuss that with the County and you folks if you're interested. Wilburn: Is Shelter House interested? Vanderhoef: Shelter House was interested ifthey could find another property, but that has been the problem, finding another property, and so, if we had, this takes three readings, so if we could go ahead and do one reading and perhaps get some discussion going, and there might be some other property the County owns that they would trade for that wasn't necessarily in this block but in that vicinity. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 7 Elliott: I think it makes sense to at least talk to them. They're going to be needing quite a bit of property down there. What I would consider quite a bit of property for the judicial center, but yeah, I think, let's do. Wilburn: How are you suggesting that we proceed then? Have Karin give her counterpart a call to see if they are interested or what is the Council? Champion: I don't have any idea how we proceed. Franklin: Given the way that the, differences between how the County operates and the City operates, it probably would be, this is the sort of thing that would be a decision and an implementation of it at the Board level, so I think what it would entail would be discussions with, initially, the Chair of the Board and then see ifthere are other people on the Board who will be amenable to this. It's going to take three Board members to say yes, and so I don't think my having a conversation with Rick Dvorak would get us anywhere, since neither one of us can make such a decision. Correia: But Karin, you can call Mike Sullivan to get it on a Board work session or something, if there's. Franklin: That, I could do that, to call Mike and ask for time. Bailey: Well, I think it might be good if you had a conversation with Mike. O'Donnell: I think it would help. Bailey: I think that would be, also an appropriate. Franklin: With Mike Lehman? Bailey: Yes. Franklin: Mike Lehman. Wilburn: Why don't you let me make that call to Mike first. Franklin: Ok. Vanderhoef: Karin, is, on the edge of that map, that PI, there on Capitol Street, is that maybe owned by the County? Franklin: I think that - Vanderhoef: I kind ofthink it is, but I'm not sure. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 8 Franklin: This is old zoning, so that's either the old ambulance site, which, they're not there anymore, they're over to the east on Dubuque Street, or it's something the University has. Vanderhoef: I kind of think that that's a piece maybe that the County owns, but I'm not. Franklin: We can check on that. O'Donnell: I want to be clear what we're asking the County here. We're asking the County ifthey want to incorporate Shelter House within that new structure, is that what we're asking? Vanderhoef: No. Franklin: No. Wilburn: No, I think that Dee was suggesting was to, in exchange for, possibly loaning this alley, would they be willing to negotiate some type of exchange on some other County property that perhaps Shelter House could look into purchasing. Is that a fair statement on what you are thinking? Vanderhoef: Yeah, and it might be in this block, and it might be elsewhere. Bailey: In this block or another. Wilburn: Elsewhere. Champion: I mean, it's certainly worth exploring. Elliott: . You have three, don't you Ross? Wilburn: Yes. Karr: There's four. Elliott: Ok, good. Franklin: Ok, move on? Wilburn: I'll give him a caIl tomorrow. Bailey: Thank you. e) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE CONDITIONALLY REZONING APPROXIMATELY 1.51 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON KOUNTRY LANE SE EAST OF This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 9 SYCAMORE STREET FROM INTERIM DEVELOPMENT- MULTI-FAMILY (ID-RM) TO LOW DENSITY MULTI- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE (RM-12). (REZ06-00003) (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Franklin: Item E is second consideration on the rezoning of Kountry Lane Apartments. f) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REZONING A 1.80 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1803/1835 BOYRUM STREET FROM INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL (CI-l) TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL (CC-2). (REZ06-00005) (PASS AND ADOPT) Franklin: Item F is pass and adopt on the rezoning to CC-2 for the HyVee expansion, and then we're into action plan. Karr: Before we start the action plan, I'mjust wondering, Amy, did you want to talk about scheduling now, because it effects that, the motions to set public hearings? Correia: It does? Karr: We're setting public meetings for the 16th. Correia: Oh, right. I forgot. I have a scheduling conflict on the 16th. I was wondering either we have our meeting on the 15th? Champion: Is the 16th a Monday or a Tuesday? Correia: Tuesday. Karr: Tuesday. Correia: The formal Council, or move to the next week. Karr: So it would affect the setting of the public hearing, and that's why I'm bringing it up at this time. Whether you would combine it with the 15th, or move them both a week to the 22nd, 23m. Bailey: There are two meetings on the nnd; there's a Corridor Trails meeting from 5 - 6:30 and there's a local options sales tax public forum at 7:00 on that Monday, and I would really like to attend those, and I think there are others who may be interested in doing that. Elliott: Where's the tax meeting? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: Vanderhoef: Elliott: Bailey: Vanderhoef: Wilburn: Bailey: Vanderhoef: Champion: Bailey: Correia: Vanderhoef: Karr: Vanderhoef: O'Donnell: Bailey: Champion: City Council Work Session Page 10 I'm not sure. Maybe at Mercy? I'm not sure. Is your memory good enough - would you mind sending me that, because I hadn't heard about that. I just heard about it yesterday. I hadn't heard that. Ok. If you think of it, would you drop me an email? Thanks. Yes. Or just put up. What was that you said? The school board is doing a local options sales tax public forum, and I believe that they've set the date for May 22nd. How about putting a memo in the packet? Maybe Marian could just double check that and put it in Thursday's packet? Well, I'm willing to accommodate Amy if we want to switch the? I am too. To the 15th? Should we do the work session and formal on Monday? The only thing that happens with that is the public is not used to, is that to set or to have the public hearing? It's to, we're setting them tomorrow night for that night, so it's to hold public hearing. I'm afraid we won't get people to come on Monday night because they're not used to having an opportunity to speak on Monday night. You know, I can be all wet on that. Well we certainly can post it. We could have it on the 23'd, I'm just suggesting that we won't want to have a work session on the 22nd. We can combine them both on the 23'd. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. --~.~,-----^------_._-~-------~----_..,.---_.__._-- May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page II Bailey: Yeah. Champion: Does that work with everybody? Elliott: You're talking about the Council meeting? Champion: Yeah, and work session on the 23Td. Karr: So lou're bringing to the table, Connie, combining both of them on the 23T rather than the 15th, to accommodate Dee's concern on Tuesday night. Champion: Yes, I think that's a valid concern. Karr: So, instead of combining them to a Monday night you're combining them to a Tuesday night, the 23Td. Wilburn: How many folks could do that? Champion: I could do that. Bailey: I could do that. Elliott: You're talking about May 23? Champion: Well, yak-yak. Bailey: Yes. You carry a calendar in that? Oh man. Wilburn: Instead of work session, instead of work session on the 15th and 16th, Karr: We would cancel the 15th and 16th and move everything to the 23Td. Correia: Now Connie is going to be in Chicago on the 23Td. Bailey: Wait, oh, she said. Champion: No, I'm coming back on Sunday. Correia: Oh, ok. She can. Karr: So it would be setting public hearings for the 23Td rather than the 16th, canceling the 15th, 16th and 22nd. Correia: Oh, and then I could go to the band concert. Thanks. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 12 Wilburn: And everything on the 23rd Karr: And everything on the 23rd. Champion: That sounds really terrific. Karr: It was your idea. What a great idea. (laughter) Wilburn: Ok, then. Karr: So it will make a difference for setting them tomorrow night. Bailey: Work session and formal on the 23rd. Karr: So, nothing 15'h, 16th, and double on the 23rd Elliott: Starting at? Karr: I will get back to you because we'll have to see what the agenda items are for the work session. The formal will always start, we always start that at 7:00, so that won't change. It'll just be a matter of starting time for your work session. Champion: If we're going to start it as early as 5:00, which is fine, or 4:00, you have to feed me! Bailey: Oh, gosh. Start it later, so we don't have to feed you. Karr: Do we want to set a tentative time at 5:00? Wilburn: 5:00 tentative? Karr: 5:00 tentative? Elliott: Fine with me. Karr We'll set it at tentative and we'll have to look at the agenda. Correia: Thank you. Thank you, Marian. City Steps Annual Action Plan ITEM 8. ADOPTING IOWA CITY'S FY07 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS A SUB-PART OF IOWA CITY'S 2006-2010 This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 13 CONSOLIDATED PLAN (CITY STEPS), AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT SAID PLAN AND ALL NECESSARY CERTIFICATIONS TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND DESIGNATING THE CITY MANAGER AS THE AUTHORIZED CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. Wilburn: Ok. Steve? Long: All right. I just want to give you a quick overview ofthe current, FY07 allocation process. First I just want to thank, we have the Chair and Vice- Chair of the Housing and Community Development Commission, Jerry Anthony and Brian Richman. As you know, the Commission spends probably dozens ifnot a hundred hours on this. Wilburn: Ok. I'm going to back away from the table on this. Long: Ok. On this process, it begins in December when the allocation funding applications are available and then ends, hopefully, tomorrow night. We have to have this document mailed to HOD by May 15th for a program here to begin July I st. So it's going to be a quick overview and then we can discuss some of the projects. We had about 1.5 million dollars available this year after the set-asides, economic development, aid to agencies, and administration, we were left with about $829,000.00 to allocate. Champion: I'm sorry. What were those three things? The aid to agencies, administration, and what's the third? Bailey: Economic development. Champion: Thank you. Long: So it's just a core view of the projects here I'll go through. Economic development set-aside was 9% of our funds, or $141,000.00, and that's set by Council. We had three housing projects, well, actually five projects. One went through and one was not funded, so these were the three that were funded at the request of $867,000.00 and recommended funding of $788.00, and you'll probably notice that one reason I'm here tonight - $89,409.00 was not allocated this year, of home funds. Correia: So that the housing rehab is also a set-aside? Long: A set-aside, yes, 13%. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 14 Correia: 13% of the home funds, or 13% ofthe total? Long: Of the total. Correia: Ok. Long: Plus they also have a revolving loan account, so we also add that in. Correia: Ok. Long: So Habitat for Humanity asked for $220,000.00 and received $220,000.00. Of that, $194,969.00 was Home, and $25,031.00 was CDBG. These are, that was to acquire four lots. These are examples of two of the most recent homes. Facilities, we had $305,969.00 requested and $305,969.00 recommended, which is unusual for us, so I'll just go through these projects real quick here. The Arc of Johnson County requested funds for some facility rehab, basically, you're going to see a lot of carpet pictures here - it's not real exciting, but, it's kind ofthe nuts and bolts stuff that we deal with. And one thing that we did this year, we had three projects that requested carpet, and the Commission asked that we do some kind of a, you know, we tried to get all three project to bid at once for some cost savings. Also, they are going to be doing carpet squares, so if one square gets stained they can just rip that square out. Since our funds are dwindling, the Commission is trying to think of way to save as much as we can. Community Mental Health Center asked for some funds for this area right here. It's a pretty big drop-off, and the City asked them to put up a railing and then there's some obvious concrete deterioration. Domestic Violence also asked for some carpet, some funds for carpet; as you can see, it's in pretty rough shape. That's upstairs where the residents live. Four Oaks, this is the Youth Homes Division of Four Oaks - asked for $200,00.00 in funds for a 3,500 square foot addition for some youth programs and areas for the youth that are in the shelter as well. Vanderhoef: What's the total cost of that project? Long: It's a $400,00.00 project. Vanderhoef: But this is 50%. Long: Yes. Vanderhoef: Ok. Long: Grant Wood Elementary, as you might be familiar, the City partnered with the School District two years ago and constructed this addition right here, which is a gymnasium and a family resource center. They're asking for This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 15 funds for a new playground. The current playground, I believe parts of it are up to 40 years old, and that project was a $161,000.00 project. They were recommended funding for $56,437.00. Last carpet project - $22,000.00 to carpet the entire MECCA facility, including the treatment center. We really don't have any pictures of public service projects, since they're operational funds and it would just be pictures of people working and counseling. So, here's a breakdown of what was requested. This is our most competitive sector. HUD has categories, and public service is mainly for operational funds, and we can not spend more than 15% of our community development block grant funds on it, and aid to agencies is $105,000.00 of that, so we weren't left with much to allocate. These are the projects that were not recommended for funding. If you'd like, I can tell you what each ofthese were as well. Army Development was a scattered, 6-unit rental project, six individual homes. Bums and Burns was the applicant. Iowa Valley Habitat Re-Store Project, I think you're familiar with that project, for their new site on Scott Boulevard, and Neighborhood Centers was going to create a new program for newcomers to Iowa City, particularly immigrants and people outside the community moving here. Shelter House, $1500.00 for their security deposit and emergency assistance program, and the reason that was not funded, they preferred that the money go to their operational funds, because that was also matching a HUD grant called Star program, so they asked that the money that would be allocated to that be combined. Elliott: Steve, on the top one, the, did you say that was a rental, rental-assistance proj ect? Long: A tax credit project? Mm hmm. Elliott: Yeah. And why was that not? Was it location? Was it simply a lower priority? Long: They, they did not have a site secured, that was one reason. Another reason was the Commission felt the cost per unit was higher than they were comfortable with - it came in at about $240,000.00 per unit. Elliott: Good. I was just wondering on that. Thanks. Long: So that gets us back to the overall budget here, which is part of the action plan, which will be on the agenda tomorrow night. And there are, both Jerry and Brian are here to discuss the reasons for not allocating the $89,000.00 if you'd like them to discuss that a little bit more. Vanderhoef: The minutes seem to make it fairly clear that they wanted some dollars to remain for future and more varied kinds of activities, and I can understand that, whether it's the now or long-range future. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 16 Correia: There, oh, is there a problem with, any sort of problem with having funds not encumbered, in terms of how it looks? Does HUD think that's not a good thing, or they don't care so much? Just thinking about how the federal government keeps cutting these programs - does it look bad if we don't spend them? Obviously we're not spending them because we think we do need them and maybe it would make sense down the road, but sort of upper level, does that? Long: Technically no, because with HOME funds, with CDBG funds yes, with HOME funds, we have two years to commit and five years to spend. However, politically, that is an unknown, but I would imagine iffunds are not spent that that is not looked favorably, however it's perfectly legal. Correia: Sure. Champion: It's always ajoke in Washington - if you have money left over you have to spend it. Long: Yeah. This is the first time ever, at least since I've been here, that this has been the case, so it's pretty unusual for Iowa City and we have a very high rating with HUD. Correia: Is there Vanderhoef: Ah, we have Correia: Is there the possibility of, it seems like one, something that has been in need in the community is to have funds available other times during the year instead of just the one time of the year - is this something that we could pilot - some type of open application? For example, if a project came up in July, they found a site, we would have some funds available to help facilitate that? Cause it seems that time-sensitivity has been an issue for affordable housing development. It that something we could do, or? Long: That's certainly something we could do. We just have to have an open process and observe the public comment period and everything, but- Vanderhoef: I was interested in the request, we got two letters in the packet, requesting some of those un-allocated funds, and personally, I like the idea of the Re- Store, and I understand that $200,000.00 isn't available, and maybe shouldn't be available there, but their request for the $25,000.00 for the Re-Store and backfill out of the 87 or whatever that number, the 89, I would be willing to discuss that if anyone else on Council is willing to discuss that piece of it. But I do like the idea of keeping some dollars there This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 17 for whatever need we may have coming out of our scattered site and have it available for fill in for purchase of property. Correia: When I was reading one - minutes of the Commission talking about the Re-Store and it was that, you put it under public facilities, that I had read something about it being in economic development? Eligible? Long: That isn't, that's the way we can make it work for economic development, through job creation. Correia: Ok. So that, essentially, to be eligible for CDBG, it would go, be an economic development activity? Long: Right, because the difficulty of documenting the low amount of income benefit. Correia: Right. So in that case I guess, since we already take money off of CDBG for economic development, that would be how it would be categorized? I would want to see it go through the economic development set-aside. Long: It's certainly eligible. Elliott: Just a quick question. Did you say the HOME funds not allocated, that we had never before had them not allocated? Or at least in recent years? Long: In recent past, yes. Elliott: Ok. Champion: How much was it? I can't remember. Elliott: 89.4 Vanderhoef: 89 Champion: Well, I certainly think it would be nice to have that money available in case Habitat for Humanity or the Greater Iowa City Housing Fellowship or somebody had a (can't hear) that would be on a scattered site, that would be a very good use of that money. Correia: So if we wanted, for this process, for the annual plan, if we wanted to, say that we're going to set aside this $89,409.00 to, for the potential of use over the programming year through a flexible, open process or that, could we do that, like put that into this action plan or whatever it's called? (woman): 515. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 18 Long: We could, well, we can't really - we could do it in narrative, yes. Correia: Ok. And then you and your department would set something up? Long: We'll have to set a date, right. Bailey: You know we do a similar process to the one. Elliott: Dee did you, were you suggesting taking part of that 89.4 for another use? Vanderhoef: What was requested by letter from Habitat Elliott: For the Re-Store. Vanderhoef: was $25,000.00 for the Re-Store, which was far lower than what they had requested, and I understand that, which would still leave us $64,400.00 in the set-aside or hold-back or whatever you want to call it. Correia: Well I would encourage Habitat to apply for the economic development fund if indeed, if that's how we would be making this project work, as an economic development activity within CDBG, it makes sense that they would go through economic development instead ofCDBG, economic development funds. Champion: We know what you mean. Vanderhoef: I understand that, and what I understood when that whole Re-Store was brought to us was that it's going to basically be a lot of volunteers working in that, so I'm not sure about whether there's even going to be half-time FTE coming out of that project. Long: I believe actually, we talked to them about that a few months ago, I believe he said they would create possibly 3 full time equivalent. Correia: Because otherwise. Vanderhoef: It might? That many? Correia: Yeab. Well, otherwise he's saying that it wouldn't even fall under the CDBG public facilities if they can't document low to moderate income benefits. Vanderhoef: Well, $25,000.00, I thought. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 19 Long: It would be, we still have to document the low to moderate income benefit, which would be difficult. Vanderhoef: Yeah. Bailey: Impact. Long: You'd have to survey people coming into the store or find a way to. Correia: So the only way it would work for CDBG is if they create jobs, which would be the economic development fund. Bailey: And that seems to make sense. Champion: I agree with you - I'd like to see that money kept for land purchasing. Bailey: Yeah. Ok. Elliott: At least these, what, $60 - $65,000.00 that would be remaining after 25 - Correia: 89. Night going to give them 24. Bailey: No. Champion: We're not going to give them economic development money. Bailey: No, no. Correia: That's off the table for this, Re-Store. Champion: That's off the table. Bailey: So they would come to the economic development committee and present a business plan and we would evaluate it based onjob creation. Elliott: So for economic development purposes, productivity-wise, it would be in our best interests for development to have Habitat purchase the property and build a house that would represent affordable housing then? Champion: I would like, or whoever (can't hear). Elliott: So in other words, you're saying don't mess with the 89.4 for that. Champion: Right. Bailey: Essentially that's it. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 20 Dilkes: What triggers the application process for the 89.4? Somebody saying they have a lot that they? I mean 1. Long: That's what we'd have to decide. Or we could set a date and say we're going to advertise we have $89,000.00 available. Dilkes: Ok. Correia: Is there even some way of saying this money is available by the, could it just be triggered by an application for eligible purposes, or no? Bailey: That would have to start a public process, correct? Long: Right, we have to have some sort of public process. Bailey: A competitive public process, correct? Long: Yes. That system you set up. Bailey: Ok. So basically you have to give a RFP. Correia: Oh. What did you say? Bailey: That's our system. Long: Yeah, that's what we have approved in our City Steps document. Correia: Right. Bailey: So you essentially have to do an RFP to initiate the competitive process. Champion: So somebody couldn't talk to us, like one ofthese organizations that build affordable housing, couldn't come to us with an application for that money to buy land. Is that what you're saying - it would not be that simple. It should be that simple! Long: The way it's currently set up, no. Vanderhoef: Ok, what Correia: Is it because of the way our City Steps is, or is it because of HOD rules? Long: It's the way City Steps - your policy. Correia: Oh, our policy - so we could change our policy. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 21 Bailey: By the 15th? Franklin: I think you could, if someone approached you about a project, what that would do would be to, the catalyst to your starting an allocation process. Bailey: So we could publicize. Franklin: So you would publicize that, you would put it out there there was $89,000.00 available and come one, come all that has a project. But it would be someone approaching you that might be the catalyst to you starting that whole process. And I guess what we're going to need to have clarity on at the end of all of this is whether you want us to do a special allocation process sometime mid-year, like in July or August, or we wait for someone to approach us for there to be such a catalyst or we hold it until next January, 2007 and combine it with next year's allocation to enable a larger housing project. Bailey: How many, how many projects are, how many projects come up in the middle of the year? I mean, Amy mentioned that sometimes there's a challenge with this particular cycle, and I'm not familiar with people getting land or having the opportunity to buy land in the middle of the year, so. Correia: Right, well I mean I think if there's a housing developer and they're, just land becomes available and if you have to, in July or somewhere, if there's neighborhoods where you want, but ifthe process doesn't start for this until January, than that's a lost opportunity. Bailey: Right. So, I mean, do we have any sense of how often that, how frequently? Long: Well as far as I know there's a couple of groups here - they're looking constantly for land. Bailey: Right. Long: That's one of the biggest barriers. The funds haven't normally been available mid-year, so we don't have a real good sense. Vanderhoef: Ok. I'm thinking off the wall here. It's been that kind of day here, I'm sorry. I see this money potentially as gap money, ok. Is there a way that that could be a set-aside to Council to use as a gap funding so that the process could go faster when those opportunities show up? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 22 Correia: Well how is, how long, so if the catalyst is someone comes and says there is property, so if that begins the process Bailey: What's the deadline? Correia: Yeah, how long does that take? Is it like you would put it on the next day and you have to give two weeks? Bailey: Thirty days? Long: Thirty, yeah, I think it's a thirty day public comment period. Correia: Ok. Vanderhoef: And you're looking at that and taking the whole amount, or most of the amount in that respect, so then it's this gap funding that keeps hitting me in the face that you know would say we found some sort of a lot available, and we've got 55 and we need 60, we need an extra 5. Correia: Who would it be? Vanderhoef: A developer or a. Correia: But that doesn't Bailey: Aren't we still required to have a competitive process? I mean, you could allocate it to Council, but isn't a competitive process still required? I mean we couldn't turn around and say. Vanderhoef: You can't put together a gap-funding vehicle? Long: Well, there's also environmental review regulations we have to follow. I mean, unfortunately it's not real, as quick as we would like. Vanderhoef: But is there a way in our City Steps that we could put together that kind of thing? Long: You mean like a revolving loan fund like we have for economic development, or? Bailey: A fund with a policy that there could be a Council decision. Correia: And that's what I'm thinking, that like the economic development fund, that there was, by the 15th of each month, or whatever date, there's the potential for an application coming in. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 Bailey: Correia: Champion: Bailey: Dilkes: Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: Vanderhoef: Bailey: Vanderhoef: Bailey: Long: Champion: Correia: Long: Bailey: Franklin: Long: City Council Work Session Page 23 Right, that's. And if the application doesn't come in, it doesn't come in. A land fund. Yeah. I mean, but how does that change the need for a competitive process? That's my question. Well, it sounds like we don't have answers to these questions. We'll have to look at these. Are we not all talking about leaving this as un-allocated? Yes. And the conversation now is what do we do with it? Is there something that we have to do tonight, decide that? Can we just say? Get direction about But Dee sounded like she wanted to allocate it to gap funding that would have a different process, I mean, that was your intent, right? No, I'm asking if we can get it done somehow and we wouldn't have to do it tonight. If people are interested in doing that, then get some research done on it and Could you have the open competitive process like economic development if application comes in every month by the 15th or something if the application comes in, that starts the process? If there' s nothing there it just rolls to the next month? I'm going to have to check in on that with HUD. I mean (can't hear) available. Because economic development fund/CDBG and this is HOME. And this is HOME funds. Sure, sure, but I mean, could you just have sort of a standing RFP? We'll have to look into that. We'll have to look. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. ~---~--------""-"'-----~---'-----~ ---,-------_._--_._-_..._-------~_._----'---'--- May I, 2006 Elliott: Bailey: Franklin: Long: Bailey: Vanderhoef: Long: Franklin: Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Vanderhoef: Bailey: Elliott: Vanderhoef: Correia: Vanderhoef: City Council Work Session Page 24 I'm in favor of moving on with this and then you come back to us with your suggestions on, or alternatives, on how this could be designated and/or used. But we need to do, you need information from us tomorrow night about this, right? This has to be certified by the 15th? No, we could just leave it. You just have to. And this would be un-allocated, just the allocated line and you would tell us how you'd manage the un-allocated line, is that? We'll put something together, yeah. It's up to you. I could let you know. I think we probably can't put it together by tomorrow night. We'll have the $89,409.00 in a contingency fund, and that's how it will be submitted to HUD. We'll then develop this revolving whatever for housing and then you'll do an amended City Steps plan. Great. Ok. Great. Good. That's what I was getting at. Good. Thanks, Steve. Isn't this done? I do have one more question for the commissioners. Apparently the housing authority has asked us to broaden the use of the T ARB money. TBRA. Yeah, excuse me, not TARB. To limit it only within City limits, and I'd like to hear why you're limiting it to City limits. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 25 Anthony: I think the members' , commission members' concern was this was funds that had been given to the city ofIowa City and we wanted to use it for the benefit of the population living in Iowa City. Correia: I didn't realize that the HOME money could be used outside ofIowa City, but because it's tenant based rental assistance? Anthony: Only for tenant based assistance (can't hear). Correia: Oh. Vanderhoef: And yet our Housing Authority takes in part of Washington County and part ofIowa County, and when I look at the distribution of the housing, we certainly have a preponderance that is in Iowa City, but there's a little bit out in the other areas, and what I'm trying to figure is knowing the cost of rentals in Iowa City, if we could serve more families, serve more vouchers, if we spread it outside of the City. Correia: Well I also, I mean I would certainly be interested in at least remaining in the County. The Housing Authority serves families and households in Coralville and North Liberty, I mean it's not, I don't necessarily, I'd be willing to talk about outside the City but probably not outside the County. Vanderhoef: Ok. Elliott: Well, I guess I'm not sure of that. If there would be something that could be done in say Riverside and it would provide affordable housing for people working in Iowa City, that would certainly be to the benefit of Iowa City. Champion: Or, we could develop housing for people who are going to come here to work in the casino. They're going to be making $7.50 an hour. Bailey: If that. Correia: We'll have to get the casino to contribute. Elliott: But I just think that affordable housing need not always be included in Iowa City or even in Johnson County. Champion: I agree. O'Dounell: But you know, a large part of this is transportation, and it's convenience and many, I think it would be very difficult to move people in, transfer people back and forth. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 Correia: Elliott: Correia: Elliott: Bailey: Correia: (end oftape) City Council Work Session Page 26 Right, well, the other thing, yeah. I'm thinking ofland costs outside ofIowa City and perhaps outside of Johnson County, are significantly less. But Bob, we get, Iowa City gets these HOME funds because of our population. Washington County can get State HOME funds for tenant based rental assistance - Washington, the city of Washington, can apply to the State to get tenant based rental assistance for that, to cover their County, or housing rehab or rental, construction for rental units. So there's a pool of funds at the State that covers those counties and this is money that covers us, our city, which is within our county, so that's the other reason, they have access to funds at the state level and ECCOG can help them access those funds. But we would benefit if you can build a house and a half some place else for the price of a house here, I would go for building. This is rental-based assistance, specifically. I know, but I'm just saying that the whole Vanderhoef: I'd go with in the County. Champion: Yeah, I agree with Dee, I also think it would be, I mean also, it would go along with our whole scattered site system, throughout the County. Vanderhoef: Yes, it does. Correia: Well I think one ofthe things the tenant based rental systems does is it helps get the waiting list down. Champion: And a lot of rents are cheaper outside ofIowa City. Bailey: Right. Vanderhoef: That's exactly Bailey: Makes it go farther, yeah. Champion: (can't hear) That's a valid point Elliott: I would rather go for the housing assistance protrudes into other counties, but there isn't support for that so I would at least support county-wide. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 27 Champion: Good. Bailey: Good. Correia: Great. Elliott: I made you smile. Bailey: Did you get what you need, Steve? Vanderhoef: So we will need an amendment to the City Steps, or at least change in wording in that. Long: Right. We'll do that. Vanderhoef: We'll do that so it will be ready for tomorrow night? Elliott: Good point. Vanderhoef: Thank you. Bailey: Great. Thanks. Long: Thank you. Champion: I do like the idea of (can't hear) lets parents raise the money for playground equipment, but schools like Grant Wood and Mark Twain (can't hear) I think it's really good. Vanderhoef: Ok. Since the commissioners are here, or some of them at least, I have a request just to, for a future conversation with Council and CDBG, I've been looking at, in this case this year we've got only $14,000.00 in the public service projects after we take the $105 out for aid to agency, and I would like a Council discussion about putting all public service dollars into one allocating body so that we don't end up with duplication for the same projects and some being awarded through aid to agencies and some being awarded through a second grant request to HCDC. I'd like to see it all put together so we can deliberate collectively on all the public service dollars. Elliott: Makes sense. Correia: It does make sense, but one thing about that though is that at least two of those grantees in this year's public services aren't part of the aid to This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 28 agencies. ComPeer and Extend the Dream Foundation, which received public service dollars aren't part of our, I mean, do we have? Vanderhoef: Anyone can apply to aid to agency, just like. Correia: So maybe people need to know. Bailey: Right. V anderhoef: Yeah. Correia: Well how do they do that? I don't know that there's a Bailey: Yeah, I always encourage people that if they're interested to talk to Linda about applying. Champion: Well I think that's a good idea Dee. I also would like us to look, maybe have some joint discussion about our aid to agencies allocation, because as we worked on this over the past seven or eight years, some of the people, some of the organizations, who were early aid to agency receivers got inflation every year, so they have a huge proportion of our money just because they were the first applicants and nothing was ever kind of, or not equally distributed, and we don't want to do that. But it just seems to me that the whole thing has gotten kind of ballooned, where the original agencies that got aid, and we have trouble coming up with money for agencies that also are very valid. But I was thinking last night, there have been three new agencies developed in Iowa City since I've lived here: the Crisis Center, Shelter House and the Free Medical Clinic. And those are all really good organizations and a lot of the organizations that we fund have been here forever. Big Brothers, I'm not saying we don't fund them, we do, but I would like us to look at the whole, maybe throw it all into a bucket and start over again. Elliott: I agree. Bailey: That's the direction we're trying to go. Vanderhoef: I think this new piece that I'm working on is have the application be real specific on what the money will be used for and what results are expected from that award and having it all together and everybody apply the same place. Champion: (can't hear) Elliott: Prioritizing the need as opposed to basing some of it on seniority. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 29 Bailey: Well, given that for the last two years we've done it with City Steps priorities, it still does, based on some historic numbers, but it's still becoming more in-line with our entire city vision, I think, so. Ok. Are we completed with this discussion? Pardon me? Dilkes: Did you conclude something there, or is that for future discussion? (laughter) Bailey: Future discussion. Champion: We're going to do it later. Bailey: She requested a future discussion. Vanderhoef: But that's what we're interested in, in talking about and doing. Dilkes: Got it. Elliott: It's on our to-do list. Bailey: Could have told you anything. O'Donnell: Always a good question. Wilburn: Let's take ten. Correia: Thank you. Elliott: Actually, the name is Take 5. Housinl! Discussion Wilburn: The next item was the continuation of the housing discussion and Steve wanted to be a part ofthat and wanted to know if we could Bailey: He should have stayed well, then. O'Donnell: I agree, he should be a part of it. Bailey: I agree too. Champion: I was going to bring that up. He really needs to be part of this. Correia: And he wants to be, I talked to him this morning. He's not sounding (can't hear) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 30 Wilburn: He's Champion: He's humoring you. Correia: He's really ill, no, I talked to him on the phone - he didn't sound good. Vanderhoef: When he answered, I almost said are you alive or am I talking to the dead? Wilburn: Ok. O'Donnell: But we're not going to do that. Elliott: That's the quickest we've gone through any housing discussion. Wilburn: There you go. Al!enda Items Wilburn: Agenda items. Bailey: Did you thank everybody for coming? Correia: Thank you. Wilburn: Yeah, thanks for coming. Agenda. ITEM 15. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE TERMS ON WHICH THE CITY WILL PURCHASE A 3.7 - ACRE PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED AT 2401 SCOTT BOULEVARD, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST DOCUMENTATION OF THE SAME. Bailey: Well, I had a question about 15, but I think Steve is the person I need to, or Dale? Wilburn: 15? Bailey: Yeah, the purchase of the Department of Public Works Property. Helling: Oh, the recycling, is that what? Champion: Yeah. Wilburn: Maybe ask your question and then Dale can nod his head, or? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 31 Bailey: I'm trying to find the page. Sorry. Well, we have the sale agreement, and one of the clauses is crossed out, and I was just, this is, ok. Helling: Oh. Yeah, Eleanor. Elliott: You're on 15? Bailey: Yes. Elliott: Ok. Bailey: And this is for the Re-Store, the Salvage Barn and Furniture Project. Correia: And I think also having recycling like readily available, site. Bailey: And the recycling available. Karr: What, what's the question for Eleanor. Baley: I was curious why clause 5 is completely crossed out. Wilburn: Item 15 Bailey: Item 15 Dilkes: Oh, is that the inspection? Bailey: Yeah. Dilkes: Urn. Because most of that, or all of it, as I understand it, had already been done in connection with the earlier purchase agreement when Habitat was going to buy and so we decided it didn't need to be repeated. Bailey: Ok. Thank you. ITEM 19. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING ANNUAL PASS FEES FOR THE THORNBERRY OFF-LEASH DOG PARK. O'Donnell: I have a question on 19. I think the fees for the dog park are very reasonable. Champion: They are. O'Donnell: It's split between DogPac and the City with the split is for, DogPac is going to be maintaining the park, is that the mowing and the picking up and so forth? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 32 Correia: DogPac is going to maintain the park? Elliott: Who's going to maintain the park? Correia: Is the City maintaining the park? Bailey: I thought DogPac was going to maintain some of it. Dilkes: The last conversation I had with Terry, he explained it to me that we'd be doing the bigger maintenance, but they'd be doing basically the poop- scooping. (laughter) O'Donnell: I was trying to figure out how to say that. You did well. (laughter) Bailey: I have an additional question. So who will administer and monitor the pass system? Is DogPAC still going to help with that at the park? O'Donnell: I assumed they were going to do that. Dilkes: These are all questions, I saw in the minutes that Parks and Rec Commission was recommending this 90/1 0 split, which raised all the same questions that you're asking me, and I suggested there needs to be an agreement between the City and DogPAC as to what, as to who's doing what and how that's all going to work, and Carrie is in the process of putting that together, so I can't really answer the details. Correia: So 90/10 with 90 going to where and 10 going to where? Dilkes: 90 going to DogPAC is, I think, the recommendation of Parks and Rec, and I can't answer as to how that came about or who's doing what. Correia: Oh. Bailey: And so the proposed agreement will have monitoring and administration of the fees and the pass and. Dilkes: Right. Champion: Do we want to vote on this before we have the agreement? O'Donnell: I really (can't hear) sensible right now. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 33 Dilkes: Well this, what Terry, Terry wanted to get this put in place because they want to start selling annual passes, but this will not authorize any sharing of money with DogP AC. This is simply approving the fee. Bailey: The fee amounts. Correia: So people will purchase these passes through Parks and Rec, or through the animal center? Bailey: That was my question, and we don't know yet. Correia: How can we? Dilkes: I can't answer any of those questions. Elliott: In other words, tonight all we're doing is approving the fee amount. But at a later date, Terry will, I presume, answer some questions for us, because this is their recommendation as to who is going to be in charge of what, how it will be handled, that sort ofthing. This does not impact any ofthat. Dilkes: That is, no it does not, and that is my understanding of what Terry plans to do. Elliott: Ok. Vanderhoef: I called because I couldn't find the minutes from that meeting where they even discussed the $25 fee and the two $5 discounts for spay and neuter and micro-chipping. I was looking for some comparables, because I think this is fairly reasonable or maybe even too Iowa fee, but I don't know enough about other dog parks. Bailey: I think it's comparable to Cedar Rapids' fee. Champion: A lot of dog parks are free. Dilkes: That's what, Terry had told me that they had been talking to the Cedar Rapids folks and using them kind of as an example, I think. Vanderhoef: So they're $25? Dilkes: I don't know. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 34 Bailey: I think they're in that ball park, and they do have discounts, I think, for the two items. At least I remember that from the early discussions about the dog park. Vanderhoef: The two items I think are reasonable. I just wonder ifthe $25 is a bit low. O'Donnell: Well, they're going to do that - that's not finalized, don't, I think, I don't think we want to get into that much of it, I mean let them work on the details and come to us and then we can say it's high. Vanderhoef: Well, but we're approving the $25. O'Donnell: I think we're approving the concept of the $25, but we don't know what the split is. Elliott: Yeah, and you're wondering ifthe $25 is sufficient. Vanderhoef: Well, I'm not. Bailey: I think given that we have people using our other parks in an off-leash way, if we can make this accessible and get those dogs that are running off-leash to the dog park, that's a good thing. Wilburn: Dale, is it possible to get Terry to the meeting, can you check to see if Terry could be here tomorrow night? Helling: Sure. Champion: I don't have any big problems with the $25 if, you know, the way things go is just like the, the bus used to be .1 0, now they're a dollar, so if we charge $25 for the dog park, in ten years it'll be $150. You just start out low. Elliott: Yeah. I'm interested you know, are they going to have a lock and you have a card that will open the lock, and that's. There are just a lot of things that I'd like to know about how it's going to operate. And if, my thought is, if the DogP AC is getting 90% and we're going to do the maintenance, I don't quite understand that aspect. O'Donnell: That's a good question. Bailey: Well, they're doing the pooper-scooper maintenance. Elliott: Yeah, but. Correia: But that doesn't. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 35 O'Donnell: I don't know why I have trouble saying that. Correia: People should scoop their own poop. Wilburn: Any other agenda items? That's true. Correia: They should pay more if they don't. Elliott: 1 just. Long: Have like a service that you. ITEM 20. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2006-2007 DEER MANAGEMENT ANNUAL PLAN AND AFFIRMING THE LONG- TERM DEER MANAGEMENT PLAN. Elliott: I'm looking over the deer plan, and I will have something to say about that tomorrow night, but I will draw your attention to the line that says the City will actively work with the Dept. of Natural Resources to fully understand and support their efforts to control the deer population. We have not done that in the past, and my understanding is we are not doing that now. They are not made to feel welcome at the meetings. And we declined even considering their recommendation last year in addition to our own commission's recommendation. And 1'11 certainly vote for this, but 1'11 point out that this is not the way they have operated in the past, nor are they operating now. Champion: Are you referring to the bow and arrow? Elliott: Mm hmm. Bailey: Well, I have a question but I don't think anybody here can answer it, so. Correia: What's it about? Bailey: It's about the deer management plan. Elliott: Mike can. O'Donnell: I know everything about deer. Bailey: You do? (all talk - can't hear) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 36 Bailey: They have these signs that say "lights flashing when animal present," and they have this device that's sensitive apparently to the presence of deer, in Indiana and Ohio along the toll-way, and Ijust wondered if O'Donnell: In open (can't hear) Long: Just, just deer? Correia: I thought I read that in the minutes. Bailey: I don't know, I don't know ifit's short for raccoons or? Champion: (can't hear) Wilburn: I'm sorry, there's too many conversations going on for the transcription. Bailey: So Ijust wondered ifthat was, I mean ifthat was an extension of the reflector concept or something that we had examined, or if IDOT has anything about it. Elliott: Is it heat-sensitive, light-sensitive, you're asking? Bailey: I don't know. Elliott: I think it would be good to know. Bailey: But I think it would be worth looking at, around at least Interstate 80, that would be probably. Elliott: Good. Wilburn: Got that down? Helling: I'm writing it down as we speak. Wilburn: I knew you were. Other agenda items? ITEM 19. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING ANNUAL PASS FEES FOR THE THORNBERRY OFF-LEASH DOG PARK O'Donnell: I would like to see us get back to the dog park. I would like to see us offer Dean Thornberry a free lifetime membership to this park. Correia: Does he have a dog? Wilburn: Yeah, he does. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 37 Elliott: Oh yes. Bailey: Yes. Vanderhoef: Big and. Elliott: He has amply paid his fee. Bailey: Should we all pitch in and pay for it, or? O'Donnell: Should we all pitch in and pay for it? No, I think this is something that, Dean did a wonderful thing. Bailey: We should ask DogPAC if they've made that arrangement. O'Donnell: It would be a good thing to do. Vanderhoef: That's fine. Bring it as a Champion: How old is he? (laughter) Correia: You'd inherit it? O'Donnell: I think you two were probably in school together, so you've got years yet. ITEM 18. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AWARDING CONTRACT AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A CONTRACT FOR THE PERMANENT PAVEMENT MARKING PROJECT 2006. Elliott: No, I like that suggestion. I have a question about 18. Wilburn: Ok. Elliott: Dale, do you know, talking about markings, but just as markings, are these the typical pedestrian crosswalks, lane markings, or is this something special somewhere else? Helling: I think most of these are gong to be actual road markings, center lines that, we can check to make sure but. Elliott: These are just the routine type thing that. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 38 Correia: Is this, I, oh I thought this was the permanent pavement marking. Helling: It, it's as permanent, I understand, as it can be permanent Correia: The three year. Bailey: Right, the permanent. Correia: Right, but I mean, different from other pavement markings. Helling: But I don't think they're going to use these for the crosswalks, I think they are going to use them for like center lines, but we'll find out and let you know. Elliott: Ok. Good. O'Donnell: How long do they last? Bailey: Three years. Correia: It said three years. O'Donnell: Three years and two, what is this, $220 or $230,00.00? Bailey: $237,000.00. They last longer when we don't use so much sand. Correia: Ah. Wilburn: That's right. We had the presentation. Champion: What route do we mark? I mean, we don't mark all of our arterials, we mark. Elliott: Oh, with center lines and lane dividers, yes. Champion: But we don't mark all, Summit Street isn't marked. Long: Not all of them, but, we mark a lot of them though. Elliott: Any heavily traveled, yeah. Long: Yeah. That's where they're going to go. Elliott: Muscatine has a center lane and. Long: Sure. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 39 Vanderhoef: It's the arrows and all that stuff. Champion: Oh, right. Bailey: Burlington. Correia: Burlington, right, I st Avenue. Wilburn: Well, hopefully like you said, with using less sand it'll last maybe another 6 months or so. Bailey: Three and a half. Wilburn: Other. agenda items? ITEM 13. APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT, AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GRAND AVENUE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS, AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS. Vanderhoef: Item 13. Champion: Item what? Vanderhoef: 13. I wondered why this roundabout wasn't part ofthe original plan when they did the modified one-way plan and worked with the neighborhood and all of that, and then, because it wasn't part of the original plan, I wondered if the neighborhood was included in the discussion on the design or putting in a roundabout. Wilburn: Have you checked with Jeff, or Karin, do you know? Franklin: I don't know. Vanderhoef: I would like that for tomorrow, if we might please. O'Donnell: I know that neighborhood over there fairly well and they're not afraid to step forward and say something if. We've not received one letter (can't hear). Correia: Yeah, we did get a letter. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 40 Vanderhoef: We got one. Bailey: We did. O'Donnell: We did get a letter? Bailey: Well I thought this was because. Vanderhoef: They indicated it wasn't, that they weren't included. Correia: From the Melrose Neighborhood Association. Bailey: Right. Well I thought this was because the idea of no left turn and going whatever direction, people are going the wrong way down Grand Avenue. I mean, I watched four cars one afternoon. Correia: So, is there a picture? This is when you're going up Grand A venue, and you're looking at the Field House? Vanderhoef: No. Elliott: You mean coming off Melrose. Vanderhoef: It's South Grand. Bailey: It's south Grand. Champion: (can't hear.) Vanderhoef: After you turn left at the Field House, South Grand. Elliott: Yeah. That's one way. Correia: So where is the roundabout. Bailey: You can't come back toward Burlington (all talk - can't hear) Franklin: The roundabout is at Grand and South Grand at the intersection of those two, right by the Field House, so it would be at the top ofthe hill. Correia: At the top of the hill. Franklin: Yes. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 Bailey: Franklin: Correia: Bailey: Long: Correia: Long: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: Correia: Bailey: (laughter) City Council Work Session Page 41 Why coming back towards Burlington down (can't hear) And the reason it wasn't part of the original project was because, I forget the terminology, but the contra lane, you know that's coming, it's two way in this one way loop, is not working as was desired. And so people are coming down, going the wrong way, where only the buses are supposed to go. The roundabout is to enable you to get out of that and turn around and go back to Melrose Avenue, essentially. So if you're going north on South Grand, and you get there and you realize that you shouldn't be there, you don't want to got to the Emergency Room, and you shouldn't be going eastbound on Grand, that you go around this roundabout and go back out to Melrose Avenue, get in the one way loop. So cars aren't supposed to be going down right in front ofthat? Not supposed to go east. Right in front ofthe dorm there. In front of that dorm anymore? Oh, I didn't even know that. I haven't done it! There's huge signs - you can't miss them. There's signs, but apparently (can't hear) There's too many conversations going on at the same time. Again. Again. You would be rough at a party. I guess I've driven that street so many times I guess it blows my mind, I don't see how you can go the wrong direction, but apparently, if you give it a lot ofthought you can. Well, because you used to be able to do that. You did, you used to be able to do that for years. And so it's changed now, and I think that's part of the challenge. This will solve it, right? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. _._-_.-._-"._---------~'-,._--_. May 1,2006 City CouncilWork Session Page 42 Vanderhoef: $360,000.00 for this? It better. Correia: And so, we're paying half of it. Vanderhoef: For the roundabout. Bailey: We could put a barricade. Vanderhoef: I don't care, that's still my tax money. Bailey: (can't hear) tax. Franklin: We'll have Rick follow through tomorrow night? Correia: Got to use it for something. Vanderhoef: We've got lots of projects. Champion: Does that mean we're going to be out of gold, like the top of the Capitol Building? Wilburn: Rick Fosse is going to be here tomorrow to answer some questions. Other agenda items? Vanderhoef: Bring us a map and show us what people are doing wrong. Bailey: They're going east on Grand. Correia: Maybe take a field trip tomorrow. Bailey: Yeah. Go sit there for 10 minutes - you'll see. Wilburn: Other agenda items? ITEM 23. COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENTS. Wilburn: We do have, don't really have appointments, or at least there's this one that I had a question about. 23a, the SEATS Paratransit, Dee's term expires. Vanderhoef: Anybody want it? O'Donnell: You'd be really good at it, Connie. Champion: (can't hear) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 43 Vanderhoef: It's fine with me to do it again. Wilburn: You'll do it again? Vanderhoef: I'll do it again, but certainly if someone else would like to, be my guest. Wilburn: Looks like it's you Dee. Correia: Thank you, Dee. Bailey: Thank you. Wilburn: Then Connie's going to do Juvenile Justice and Bob's going to do Jail Facilities. Champion: That's not a Council appointment anymore. That's a supervisor's appointment. Correia: The jail? Champion: The jail task force was the Council appointment. Karr: Ok. I called over and talked to. Champion: That makes it ok, fine. Karr: I mean, I, because I was trying to get the name of it, you know, and that's what I was told, so I mean. Champion: Ok. Wilburn: Ok. Champion: Well, Bob is going to do it. Correia: He can be doubly appointed Elliott: To my understanding it's the Jail Facilities Sub-Committee. ITEM 11. INSTITUTING PROCEEDINGS TO TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTION FOR THE ISSUANCE OF $510,000 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS Vanderhoef: Speaking of names, on that Item II, where we're going to buy property, I wished we would take Sand Lake Recreation Area - that's not Sand Lake. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May I, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 44 Sand Lake is still the one up by Highway 6, and to call that purchasing will have a lot of people. Bailey: Oh, I think that's confused. Karr: You mean with the bond? You're talking about the bond paperwork? Vanderhoef: Mm hmm. And listed in there is acquisition grant of development of the Sand Lake Recreational Area and we have got to stop calling that Sand Lake. Bailey: What's it called? Vanderhoef: Well, it's the South Gravel Pit Area, is what it is. (laughter) Bailey: Sand Lake South Gravel Pit. Vanderhoef: I understand, but we've already got a Sand Lake, and to call that thing. Correia: Where's our Sand Lake? Bailey: By Hills. Karr: By Hills. Correia: I thought that was the River. (laughter) Vanderhoef: River Wash. O'Donnell: You call this South Sand Lake. Correia: South Sand Lake. - I like it. Vanderhoef: Well, south would at least designate, and then when we get it going we can put an official name on it or something, but I don't want people thinking we're buying land up by Hills Bank. Champion: Good point. Wilburn: I see. Champion: I thought it was the River too. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 45 Correia: Thank you. Karr: So this is in the bond paperwork. What do you want it to say? O'Donnell: South Sand Lake. Bailey: South Sand Lake. Vanderhoef: We'll say. Bailey: For a small donation we can have it any name anybody chooses. Vanderhoef: Well that's just what I'm hoping. Helling: If it's too late to change it in the bond paperwork is that ok? Then we can make the change later? Elliott: Yeah, yeah. O'Donnell: Of course. Karr: See, this came off the CIP is where it came off of, so it isn't just Helling: Yeah, right, and as I say, we can Vanderhoef: We had this discussion two or three times about the confusion with that. Correia: Well I don't remember having it. Elliott: I didn't know that that pond up by there had a name, I guess. Wilburn: Well the bottom line is that Dale is going to check to see if it's too late. Karr: Dale, let me check on that, I've got the paperwork. Wilburn: Ok, Marian is going to check. Champion: I don't thing we should start these meetings at 7:30 anymore. (laughter) Wilburn: Anyone want Council time? Council Time This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 46 O'Donnell: I want a couple of things on Council time. There's a house being built on Rocky Shore Drive, great big house up on the hill. Correia: Oh, yeah. O'Donnell: And every time it rains, for about a block and a half down Rocky Shore Drive, there's mud and water and puddle. It's my impression that when you build a home you're supposed to make arrangements for that runoff water. Wilburn: We just. Elliott: We just had an ordinance. Bailey: We just passed the ordinance. Correia: The construction site (can't hear) Bailey: It's destroying the hillside. O'Donnell: There's a house up there on the hill that is absolutely being destroyed by runoff from this place. If you drive by that you'll see for a block there's mud and water and all on Rocky Shore Drive. That's one thing, and I don't know what the answer is to that. (can't hear - all talk) Helling: You're supposed to control erosion, we have, yeah, we'll follow-up. O'Donnell: Could you look at that Dale, because it's (can't hear) Bailey: There's one on N. Gilbert, too. O'Donnell: But nothing, this is bad there. Champion: It's really bad. O'Donnell: Also, I mentioned to Steve a couple weeks back how bad it was going out to the landfill, as far as trash and so forth. They had to pick up 3200 pounds oftrash that had blown out of cars and trucks, was picked up from the 380 bridge to the dump - 3200 pounds - and what we need to do is, I know we have an ordinance where you must tarp trash and so forth. I think we need to enforce that and maybe put a fine out at the landfill if somebody doesn't. Champion: It is enforced at the landfill. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 47 Correia: It is. O'Donnell: Well it's not, because, well I don't know - I'm talking about an actual fine. Dilkes: No, there is. Bailey: You mean when you get there without a tarp it's enforced. Helling: Right, if you. Champion: Yeah, but it's along the road. When did they put that tarp on? O'Donnell: If you go into the landfill without a tarp on I think there should be a fine. Correia: There is. O'Donnell: I followed a truck out there last week and there was stuff blowing all over. Dilkes: Really. O'Donnell: And it had no tarp. And after just picking up - I didn't have any part in picking up the 3200 pounds, but there was 3200 pounds picked up. Dilkes: Mike, did they go to the landfill? O'Donnell: They went to the landfill. Helling: I think they enforce it based to what's in your vehicle. O'Donnell: How do they enforce it, Dale? Do they say hey, you need a tarp on that? Helling: They turn people away. And they have to go back. Champion: So there's more blowing around. Correia: Right. Fine them and get the stuff out of their truck. O'Donnell: I think we should have a fine instituted. It's very clear, you need a tarp on the back of your truck, or cars, so stuff doesn't blowout. Helling: The best they can do at the landfill is they can turn you away. The violation actually is littering, and unless the officers see them, or follow them or happen to be there when it's blowing off, I don't think they can This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of May I, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 48 file that charge. But the landfill has an administrative policy that says you have to have. O'Donnell: But if we turn them away, then all the way back it blows out again. Champion: Or they're durnping it somewhere. Elliott: 1 think Dale is saying that we don't have an ordinance that says you're fined if you don't have a tarp on, you can only be fined for littering. O'Donnell: Maybe we should have. Wilburn: Would it be possible, Dale, to find out from the landfill folks ifthey happened to notice if there's a particular day of the week when they tend to turn more people away for that, and perhaps we could have kind oflike the wagon with the speed, just do an occasional spot. Helling: We can follow up, I know that before we've tried to do that too, but enforcement on the road is tough, because you just put an officer out there, and part of the road is not even in the city limits, it's in the county. O'Donnell: It is difficult. That's why I think the only thing you could do is somebody pulls in there and doesn't have a tarp you could have a fine or issue a citation. Vanderhoef: Would it be possible to raise the tipping fee on anybody who drives in without a tarp, Eleanor? Bailey: But then it would be a cost-benefit analysis. Wilburn: I'm sorry, we are getting into extensive discussion. Helling: Let us kind of look, we can summarize the policy and then take a look at it. Wilburn: Anyone else Council time? Elliott: Yeah, my concern is I have had three reports now, I'm not sure whether it's panhandling, I think they might be giving out information sheets or something, people at busy intersections. The first complaint I had was the intersection of Riverside Drive and Highway 6, Highway 1. The last one they said was Riverside Drive and the Dam Bridge, and they said people were not only standing at that intersection, they were walking out in the traffic and among the cars, and cars would have to stop and go out of their way. So if the police could at least monitor that, it seems to me they do it at busy drive times in the afternoons. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1,2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 49 Schreiber: Park and Dubuque is the same way, there's always somebody out there. Bailey: Yes. Elliott: Yeah. And if they're out in the street especially, it's dangerous for them and dangerous for the drivers. Dilkes: I know the position of the police department is ifthey're in the street and they're causing danger to themselves and danger to others then they'll do something about it, and I think that's perfectly acceptable. But a person just sitting at, you know, or standing on the median, like the one at Dubuque and Park is probably not something we can do something about. Wilburn: Other Council time? Bailey: Go ahead. Schreiber: I was just going to say as far as the selection for your approval for the future Council liaison, they finally got something through, it kind of got pushed back and the nominations process took longer than we would have liked to see, so I guess there's going to be a gap period between the approval of a new one. It will be Austin, though, who will be the new one, and there was a young lady who was chosen as the new alternate for your approval, and that will come up, you'll get some information in the next couple of weeks on her and any additional information on Austin that you don't already know. Champion: He's gone already. Schreiber: Yeah, he's already gone, but I guess that will come up on the 23rd then rather then tomorrow night's meeting. But otherwise I'd just like to thank you guys for the opportunity for allowing me to sit up here with you. Everybody's been incredibly welcoming over the course ofthe year, and it made the transition to this position a lot easier. All of you guys were incredibly helpful and I really appreciate that (can't hear) so thank you. Wilburn: Are you going to be here tomorrow? Correia: Is this your last meeting? Schreiber: I will, I'll be here tomorrow night, but this is the last time I'm sitting up here with you guys, so, thank you very much. Elliott: We've enjoyed it immensely. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 50 Bailey: Thank you. Vanderhoef: Thank you. Champion: You're very easy to have around. O'Donnell: 1 don't know if we can really tolerate Austin. (laughter) Wilburn: Dee. Vanderhoef: I have one quick thing, House File 2774 was, which was the Trust and Agency Levy that affects whether we can do that collaboration with the County and still chargeback the benefits to our benefit levy passed unanimously in the House and the Senate so that option is now open to us. Champion: Oh great. Elliott: Good. Bailey: I have one item from the information packet, where Josh sent a letter talking about the Community Planning Process. I am serving on that committee, because I'm the incoming chair of CVB, but they did ask for somebody from the city of Iowa City. I can play both roles. Correia: I'd be interested. Bailey: Ok. Anybody else? Wilburn: Go for it. Correia: Is that fine? Vanderhoef: That's fine. Bailey: The first meeting is May 10th at 6:00 at Brown Deer. Karr: Which one is that? Bailey: It's item 11 in the info packet, the steering committee for the redevelopment for the rain forest land. Champion: That would be fun. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 51 Wilburn: Ok. See you. Oh, schedule pending discussion items. We're already taking a look at the housing one, next, we'll make sure that's on the next work session. Correia: Is there, is that? Wilburn: I'm sorry? Vanderhoef: We're doing a double meeting on one night. Trying to do a housing discussion before might be a little. Wilburn: Well that may be a little much, but again, I think we'll just set aside a block of time and continue to work through and at it on, have a discussion each time. Karr: Is there any interest to set another night for that? Just solely by itself? I'm just thinking of the people who have come two or three times now to wait in line. I don't know if there' s any interest in doing that. Elliott: I personally would like for us to get into it just a little bit more, and then I think it's going to be necessary for us to set a discussion meeting. That's my feeling. Champion: I agree with you. Correia: Well what if we met for like an hour on May 15th? May 15th we were going to have a work session anyway that night. Champion: What were we going to do? Correia: Just to do housing, some people were saying, well that was Marian's suggestion, just have a work session just about housing. Champion: Well we'll have it, oh on the 15th? Bailey: Right. Correia: Then we'd have the formal meeting the next night, but when we have our packed meetings on the 23,d we wouldn't have that on there. Bailey: I'm, I'm a little bit concerned that this is going to continue to fall to the bottom ofthe list. I mean I know that we all have it as a priority, but it's also very busy. So I wouldn't have any problem setting a work session on the 15th. Vanderhoef: To just do housing. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1,2006 City Council Work Session Page 52 Wilburn: 6:30. Got that Marian? Ok. Elliott: Ok, and that's May 15th. Correia: Was there going to be that JCCOG, last meeting, we started talking about the Joint Communications Center? Is that going to be something that we're going to talk about as a Council, separate from? Champion: Didn't we appoint a sub-committee there? O'Donnell: No, there was general support, we didn't but we were going to. Bailey: Yeah. We were going to have a meeting. No, there is a sub-committee, we were going to talk about it. Champion: No, there is a sub-committee. Correia: I guess I was just going to ask specific entities. O'Donnell: Who's on the committee? Bailey: I am, Henry is, Sally is. Correia: Ok, I just, when Steve came to the meeting with, you know, this proposal like the Bus Depot and the Wilson Spa, that wasn't something that ever came before all of us, in terms of. It seems like more or the developed concept. Wilburn: Actually, excuse me for interrupting, we did tell Steve to kind of put something together. I asked him to go ahead, just give the other entities something to react to. In other words, get it out there, and it's not set in stone, it's just to keep the discussion moving so it's not floundering out there, who's going to discuss County or whatever. Bailey: And what the sub-committee intends to do is develop the decision trees and what needs to happen next with various entities as far as decision making. Correia: Well ok. Great. Champion: Basically, the decision will be the supervisors' because we're all in favor of doing it, moving forward with it, as far as I know. Bailey: Right. But if it involves land, that would be a discussion. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006. May 1, 2006 Champion: Elliott: Correia: Elliott: (laughter) Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: Wilburn: City Council Work Session Page 53 We're already into turf war on the land. I'm sorry, what are we discussing? I bowed out for a minute. Joint communications. Oh, joint communications. That we can't discuss much more about this. Ok, let me just review, May 15th, 6:30. Yes. A discussion on housing, ok.. The next one is May 23rd I was writing down and you skipped onto another subject. That's all right. See you tomorrow night. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of May 1, 2006.