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Home My WebLink About12-11-2008 Historic Preservation Commission IOWA CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Thursday, December 11, 2008 City Hall, 410 E. Washington Street Emma J. Harvat Hall 6:00 p.m. A. Call to Order B. Public discussion of anything not on the agenda C. Certificate of Appropriateness: 1. 652 S Governor Street 2. 712 Ronalds Street 3. 734 Oakland Avenue D. Discussion with Northside Neighborhood Association about potential Northside Historic District E. Virtual Forum Update F. Consideration of minutes for November 13, 2008 G. Other H. Adjournment Io\\a ( '1\\ I-listoric Preservation Crnnrnission 11;,11.11111: \X ",I nil).' I <lll Send, 1",,:1 r :'1\ 1 \. ','2:'111 MEMORANDUM Date: December 5, 2008 To: Historic Preservation Commission From: Christina Kuecker, Associate Planner Re: December 11 meeting Annual CLG Report The State Historical Society of Iowa requires an Annual Report to be fUed for all Certified Local Governments (CLGs). Staff is putting this report together and will present it to the Commission for review and input before a fmal draft is submitted. I have included a blank copy of the report in your packet. Please take some time to look through it and provide any information you would like included. Northside Neighborhood Association request The Northside Neighborhood Association (NNA) has expressed interest in creating a Northside historic district, with the possibility of a larger conservation district. The NNA discussed this possibility at their last meeting and all but one participant at the meeting expressed interest in pursuing the possibility. I have invited representatives from the NNA to the meeting on December 11 to discuss this possibility with the Commission. Virtual Forum Update The Virtual Forum is progressing slowly. Staff would like to see some input from the Commissioners when putting this together. It would be nice if Commissioners could choose portions of the Forum to assist with. I am not anticipating that the segments will take a lot of work for each individual, but with other workload, I will not be able to dedicate sufficient time to create a complete program. If each Commissioner could pick a topic/ segment and compile photos, make contacts if necessary, and write a brief statement of what shall be said, then Lindsay and I can compile a program and invitations. The topics the Commission decided to include in the forum are: . success stories . district boundaries . common repairs/how to guides, i.e. how to make old wood windows energy efficient (repair rather than replace) . different home styles and what makes them special! different/worth saving . basic intention behind guidelines and when is a building permit/COA needed windows siding built in gutters/roof porches and decks Please be prepared to discuss this at the meeting on December 11. Christina Kuecker From: Sent: To: Subject: Pascoe, Judith M Uudith-pascoe@uiowa.edu] Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:33 AM Christina Kuecker historic district Dear Ms. Kuecker, Members of the Northside Neighborhood Association are interested in creating a near Northside historic preservation district (possibly surrounded by a larger conservation district) . We placed this topic on the agenda of our last NNA meeting (which was advertised in a NNA newsletter sent to every address in the neighborhood), and all but one participant at the meeting expressed interest in pursuing this possibility. We would like to request that this subject be placed on the next Historic Preservation commission agenda. Please let me know what else I need to do in order to get the ball rolling. We are interested in moving through the process as swiftly (but carefully) as possible. Yours sincerely, Judith Pascoe, Coordinator Northside Neighborhood Association 1 Staff Report December 5, 2008 Historic Review for 652 S Governor Street District: Governor - Lucas Street Conservation District Classification: Contributing The applicant, Gregory R Bell, is requesting approval for a proposed project at 652 Governor Street, a contributing property the Governor - Lucas Street Conservation District. The applicants are seeking approval to replace seven windows on the fttst and second story of front of the house. Applicable Regulations and Guidelines: 4.0 Iowa City Historic Preservation Guidelines for Alterations 4.7 Windows Staff Comments This house was built in c. 1890 and possesses a simple, low-pitched gable roof, and a symmetrical window pattern. Front and rear porches were removed sometime after 1944. The applicant is proposing to remove the five windows on the front of the house and the two windows on the south side of the house closest to the front. The existing windows are replacement windows of poor quality and are likely not the same size or style as the original windows. The applicant has worked with the contractor to find windows that are close to the original size and style as the original windows. The proposed proposed windows are similar in appearance to the windows seen on the rear portion of the south side, which are likely original windows. The proposed windows are double hung wood windows that are 33" wide. The proposed windows are two over two with simulated divided lights that are adhered to both the interior and exterior of the glass. The lower windows are 65 1//' tall and the upper windows are 56 %" tall. Additional specifications are included in the application. The guidelines allow for the replacement of deteriorated windows. The proposed windows meet the guidelines, which state that the windows shall be wood and that divided lights may be created with muntin bars that are adhered to both sides of the glass. The guidelines also recommend that double hung windows be used unless an alternate style is original to the house. In Staffs opinion, the proposed windows are consistent with the Greek revival style of this house. In most historic houses, windows are double-hung and considerably taller than they are wide. Staff believes that the taller windows will provide a more balanced fa<;ade and will create a more accurate depiction of an 1890 Greek revival home. Recommended Motion Move to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the project at 652 S Governor Street as presented in the application. Application for Historic Review Application for alterations to the exterior of historic landmarks or properties located in a historic district or conservation district pursuant to Iowa City Code Section 14-4C. Guidelines for the Historic Review process. explanation of the process and regulations can be found in the Iowa City Historic Preservation Handbook, which is available in the PCD offICe at City Hall or online at: www.icgov.org/HPhondbook Meeting schedule: The HPC meets the second Thursday of each month. During the summer months. the HPC may also meet on the fourth Thursday. Applications are due in the PCD Office by noon on Thursday two weeks prior to the meeting. See attached document for application deadlines and meeting dates. Applicant Information (Please check primary contact person) IJ Owner ......&;~~~.~...~.....g....~.t.?:k............ Phone.................~;..~q:.......1.1K::.....!.L'i.Q.......................... 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Provide a written description of the proposed project on the second page of this application. ~~t~t~~b~~ted .....\.\.:::~~~.Q.(..................... l:l Certificate of No Material Effect . Certificate of Appropriateness .... Major review .. Intermediate review l:l Minor review Property Information Address of property ...........~.lk.......5..;......G~.JI.~.:C~.~(.....S r- Iv .........................................................................................~....................... Use of property...............f~.~.~.~d.........s:~..~..~.....~=t.......... Date constructed (if known) ...............'..~..q.3................................. Historic Designation IJ This property is a local historic landmark OR IJ This property is located in the: IJ Brown Street Historic District IJ College Green Historic District IJ East College Street Historic District fLOngfellOW Historic District " Summit Street Historic District Woodlawn Historic District IJ Clark Street Conservation District IJ College Hill Conservation District IJ , Dearborn Street Conservation District _GovernOr-Lucas Street Conservation District Within the district, this property is classified as: IJ Contributing IJ Noncontributing IJ Nonhistoric Project Type mr- Alteration of an existing building (ie. siding and window A replacement, skylights. window opening alterations, new decks. porch reconstruction, baluster repair or similar) IJ Addition to an existing building (includes decks and ramps) IJ Demolition of a building or portion of a building (ie. porch. chimneys, decorative trim, baluster or similar) IJ Construction of new building IJ Repair or restoration of an existing structure that will not change its appearance IJ Other .............................................................................................. 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'--.../ '-..J J~~~~~ QUOTE BY: Liz SOLD TO: Restorations Unlimited - QUOTE #: JLlZ02214 SHIP TO: PO#: 1ft PROJECT NAME: Bell REFERENCE: BOOK CODE DESCRIPTION OIM-CWD3368 Frame Size: 33 X 64 1/2 Custom Wood Double Hung, Primed Exterior, Primed Interior, Subsill Only w/6" Sill Horn Extended Sill Nosing, 6 3/4 Jamb, 4/4 Thick, Beige Jambliner, Standard Double Hung White Hardware, Cam Lock(s), No Finger Lifts, OP 35, Insulated Low-E 366 Annealed Glass, Argon Filled, __ 1 1/8" Putty SOL w/Perm Wood Primed Aluminum SOL, Light Bronze - Shadow Bar, Colonial All Lite(s) 2 Wide 1 High Top 1 High Btm BetterVue Mesh Brilliant White Screen, PEV 2008,3.0. 173/PDV 5.305 (08/11/08) PW UNIT PRICE QTY EXTENDED PRICE LINE NO. LOCATION SIZE INFO Line- 1 Living Room RO Size: 33314 X 65 1/4 Viewed from Exterior. Scale: 1/4" = l' Line- 2 Upper RO Size: 33314 X 561/4 $713.27 3 $2,139.81 DIM-CWD3356 Frame Size: 33 X 55 1/2 Custom Wood Double Hung, Primed Exterior, Primed Interior, Subsill Only w/6" Sill Horn Extended Sill Nosing, 7 5/8 Jamb, 4/4 Thick, Beige Jambliner, Standard Double Hung White Hardware, Cam Lock(s), No Finger Lifts, OP 35, Insulated Low-E 366 Annealed Glass, Argon Filled, 1 1/8" Putty SOL w/Perm Wood Primed Aluminum SOL, Light Bronze Shadow Bar, Colonial All Lite(s) 2 Wide 1 High Top 1 High Btm BetterVue Mesh Brilliant White Screen, PEV 2008.3.0.173/PDV 5.305 (08/11/08) PW Viewed from Exterior. Scale: 1/4" = l' Line- 3 $664.62 4 $2,658.48 Part #: J49067 CASING 41/2" FLAT CAS 14' WOOD PRM PEV 2008.3.0.173/PDV 5.305 (08/11/08) PW $57.83 7 $404.81 Q0-1,21 ,341 cust-037000 Quote Date: 10/21/2008 PaQe 1 of 2 (Prices are subject to change.) Drawings are for visual reference only and may not be to exact scale. All orders are subiect to review by JELD-WEN JLlZ02214 -10/21/2008 -18:06 Last Modified: 10/21/2008 Staff Report December 5, 2008 Historic Review for 712 Ronalds Street District: Brown Street Historic District Classification: Non-Contributing The applicant, Robert Warner, is requesting approval for a proposed project at 712 Ronalds Street, a non- contributing property the Brown Street Historic District. He is seeking approval for several projects including window replacement, enclosure of a portion of the porch, and addition of windows to the garage. Applicable Regulations and Guidelines: 4.0 Iowa City Historic Preservation Guidelines for Alterations 4.7 Windows 4.9 Porches Staff Comments The date of construction for this house per the City Assessor is 1900, but the 1997 Iowa State Inventory form indicates that it could have been built anytime during 1903-1917. The style of the house is also unclear, as two distinct sections exist. The taller section in the back may have been added soon after original construction. It is evident from the style and size of the columns and the railing height, that the wrap-around porch is a much later addition. An addition was approved and constructed in 2007 by extending the existing 'addition' on both the fIrst and second floors. The applicant is proposing several projects including window replacement, addition of windows to the garage, and enclosure of a portion of the porch with screens. The applicant is proposing to replace second floor windows with the same double-hung, metal-clad, wood, Pella windows approved for the 2007 addition. The applicant is proposing to reuse the removed windows as additional windows on the garage. The project includes one existing window on the west wall of the garage to be removed and four recycled windows to be installed on this wall. An illustration is provided. The final portion of the project includes enclosing a portion of the side porch with a screen. The proposed screened in portion will enclose the side door and will be set back from the railing of the porch by 2' 9". The applicant is proposing wood framed screens with a 30" high base wall with cement board siding to match the adjoining outside wall. The guidelines allow for the replacement of deteriorated windows with new ones that match the type, size, sash width, trim, use of divided-lights, and overall appearance of the historic windows, provided the new windows are wood or metal-clad, solid wood windows that accept paint. In Staffs opinion, the replacement windows meet the guidelines. In regards to the addition of windows on the garage, the guidelines do not explicitly address windows in outbuildings. However, the guidelines do state that when adding windows to a building it shall be done in a location that is consistent with the window pattern of the historic building and the new windows shall be similar to the existing/original windows on the building. In Staffs opinion, the proposed windows are consistent with the window pattern of the garage and would not detract from the historic character of the building. The guidelines also allow for the enclosure of a portion of a front porch with screens to provide a sitting area that is to the side of the steps and front entrance of the house. The screens should be set behind the columns and balustrades to preserve the historic appearance of the porch. It is likely that this porch is a much later addition to the house and the screened portion of the porch is not on the front part of the house. In staffs opinion, this screened in portion of the porch follows the guidelines; however, there may be other options. One option includes eliminating the 30" high base and extending the screens to the porch floor. Cross bracing or a transparent sort of grid/ rigid screen could be used as additional support if needed on the.lower portion. Another option includes moving the screen wall to directly behind the railing and eliminating the 30" high base with siding. In this case, the railing would act as support for this lower portion. Staff recommends giving the applicant the option of constructing the screened in portion as presented in the application or using either of the alternative identified. If necessary, a second screen door could be added to the south wall of the screened porch to allow access through this portion of the porch. Recommended Motion Move to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the project at 712 Ronalds Street as presented in the application, with the condition that the replacement windows on the second story matching the existing windows in type, size, sash width, trim, and overall appearance and that mullion widths must be maintained. The applicant also has the option of constructing the screened in portion as presented in the application, eliminating the 30" high base wall and extending the screens the entire distance between floor and ceiling, or moving the screen wall to directly behind the porch railing and eliminating the 30" high base wall. If the third option is chosen, a screen door may be placed on the south wall to provide access through the screened portion of the porch. App.ication for Historic Review Application for alterations to the exterior of historic landmarks or properties located in a historic district or conservation district pursuant to Iowa City Code Section 14-4C. Guidelines for the Historic Review process, explanation of the process and regulations can be found in the Iowa City Historic Preservation Handbook, which is available in the PCD office at City Hall or online at www.icgov.org/HPhandbook Meeting schedule: The HPC meets the second Thursday of each month. During the summer months, the HPC may also meet on the fourth Thursday. Applications are due in the PCD Office by noon on Thursday two weeks prior to the meeting. See attached document for application deadlines and meeting dates. ~~t~t:~b~~ed ......U..IfJ.4.i.......................... o Certificate of No Material Effect ~ Certificate of Appropriateness o Major review o Intermediate review o Minor review Applicant Information (Please check primary contact person) ~ Owner ...g4.?b..?.tt...A.:....k)..9.-:t.0..~................. Pho~e.......:3.PJ.....5~.Q......$..1.'?~................................ Address ...e.4l..:...~PX...?4.7b.j.5f..?1.4..:.?472 7J.z....~.~J.~...str~cl...............ZiP 522.46 email....gWA~I.U~AfAr~6J.(.N.e.t.~tLn.:.C6 D Contractor ..............N!!~..................................................... Address ........................... ............................................................... .................................................................................zip................... 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If the proposed project entails an addition, a new structure or a significant alteration to an existing structure, please submit a site plan, floor plans, building elevations and photographs. If the proposed project is a minor alteration to a structure, please provide drawings and photographs to sufficiently describe the scope of the project. Provide a written description of the proposed project on the second page of this application. Property Information, Address of property ...7!.Z....f?9Y.t:f~Jl~...'9.fy.~t..... ...........................................I.9..k2.~..C;.h!........J.0..W~............. Use of property........K.e..'&i(;f~..c.~.'..................................... Date constructed (if known)..........Y.I1.k.v.J(,~~Qk1................... Historic Designation D This property is a local historic landmark OR D This property is located in the: [B13rown Street Historic District D College Green Historic District D East College Street Historic District D Longfellow Historic District D Summit Street Historic District o Woodlawn Historic District D Clark Street Conservation District o College Hill Conservation District D Dearborn Street Conservation District o Governor-Lucas Street Conservation District Within the district, this property is classified as: o Contributing ~oncontributing D Nonhistoric Project Type ~eration of an existing building (ie. sidil 't. 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Applicable Regulations and Guidelines: 4.0 Iowa City Historic Preservation Guidelines for Alterations 4.7 Windows 4.9 Porches 4.13 Site and Landscaping Staff Comments The Site Inventory Sheet for this house, built in 1936, categorizes it as an example of romantic revival cottage based on its side-gabled steep roof and centrally located decorative gable with an offset projecting gabled entrance. The applicant is seeking approval for several project including window replacement, construction of a fence, and alteration to the front steps. Window Replacement The applicant has collected windows from sales at window stores and would like to use these windows to replace the existing windows in the house. The guidelines allow for the replacement of deteriorated windows with wood or metal-clad wood windows that match the type, size, sash width, trim, use of divided-lights, and overall appearance of the historic windows. The divided lights may be created with muntin bars that are adhered to both sides of the glass, but not with snap-in muntin bars. In Staffs opinion, the existing windows have a unique divided light pattern. The applicant did not indicate if the new windows match this pattern or what the materials are of the new windows. Staff only recommends approval of the existing windows if the new windows match the divided light pattern of the existing windows and the applicant provides evidence that the existing windows are deteriorating. Fence The applicant is proposing to construct a fence that requires a building permit on the north property line. There is also a fence on the south property line, but this fence is less than 6' and does not require a permit. The applicant has already begun construction of the fence. The applicant has indicated that the fence will be wood grain cement board siding, however this is not the appearance given to the fence in the drawing or to the constructed fence. It is not apparent if the existing fence is the fence that is proposed in the drawing. The guidelines state that fences shall be similar to historic fence styles, such as wood picket fences and wrought iron or metal fences. The guidelines also state that wood fences must be painted. In Staffs opinion, the fence as constructed does not meet these guidelines. It appears that the fence as constructed consists of boards tacked up to some framing members. The fence in the drawing appears quite different from the one being constructed. Staff believes that the fence shown in the drawing would be compatible with the house and neighborhood. Staff also suggests that the fence on the south property line match the fence on the north property line. Front steps The applicant has removed wooden front steps and replaced them with stone and brick steps. The applicant has also constructed a small set of brick steps on the north property line identified as "mail person steps" on the attached drawing. In Staffs opinion, the brick steps complement the historic character of the house, however it is not certain if the constructed steps meet building codes for rise and run. Recommended Motion Move to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the project at 734 Oakland Avenue as presented in the application, with the following conditions: . Evidence of window deterioration being provided to Staff. If deterioration is substantial, the new windows must be approved by staff and must be wood or metal-clad solid wood that replicate the type, size, sash width, trim, use of divided-lights, and overall appearance of the historic windows. The divided lights may be created with muntin bars that are adhered to both sides of the glass, but not with snap-in muntin bars. Only windows that meet these specifications will be approved; . The brick stairs meeting all relevant building codes; and . The fence being constructed of wood to appear as shown in the drawing, with fmal specifications subject to staff approval. Application for Historic Review Application for alterations to the exterior of historic landmarks or properties located in a historic district or conservation district pursuant to Iowa City Code Section 14-4C. Guidelines for the Historic Review process, explanation of the process and regulations can be found in the Iowa City Historic Preservation Handbook, which is available in the PCD office at City Hall or online at: www.icgov.org/HPhandbook Meeting schedule: The HPC meets the second Thursday of each month. During the summer months, the HPC may also meet on the fourth Thursday. Applications are due in the PCD Office by noon on Thursday two weeks prior to the meeting. See attached document for application deadlines and meeting dates. Applicant Information (Please check primary contact person) o Owner ......yc.NffR..............:::::/(€~.tJ:/............. 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Phone .......... ....... ... .......... ... ..... .... .... ........ ........ ............. .... .......... ..... email................................................................................................ Application Requirements Attached are the following items: lit Site plan &1 Floor plans o Building elevations o Photographs o Product information o Other .............................................................................. If the proposed project entails an addition, a new structure or a significant alteration to an existing structure, please submit a site plan, floor plans, building elevations and photographs. If the proposed project is a minor alteration to a structure, please provide drawings and photographs to sufficiently describe the scope of the project. Provide a written description of the proposed project on the second page of this application. For Staff Use: Date submitted ........U:::.lJ..~.(),.~.................. o Certificate of No Material Effect ~ Certificate of Appropriateness o Major review o Intermediate review o Minor review Property Information Address of property...2-3..':}......c2AK)ItN.D.................. .::C~Pl- (!3::.TV ..::::z::::o _. b4- .................................................,.........................~~............................ Use of property...&J.R.lt.e:::.......................................................... ,"" tl ':t /4 Date constructed (if known) ...... ..;-r..~....................................... ..,' <. Historic Designation o This property is a local historic landmark OR o This property is located in the: o Brown Street Historic District o College Green Historic District o East College Street Historic District .. Longfellow Historic District o Summit Street Historic District o Woodlawn Historic District o Clark Street Conservation District o College Hill Conservation District o Dearborn Street Conservation District o Governor-Lucas Street Conservation District Within the district, this property is classified as: II Contributing o Noncontributing o Nonhistoric Project Type .. Alteration of an existing building (ie. siding and ~ replacement, skylights, window opening alterations, new decks, porch reconstruction, baluster repair or similar) o Addition to an existing building (includes decks and ramps) o Demolition of a building or portion of a building (ie. porch, chimneys, decorative trim, baluster or similar) o Construction of new building Il Repair or restoration of an existing structure that will not change its appearance o Other .............................................................................. ................ rYP /c-{ ~{/I ~ 'O(p. 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Kuecker said this application is for windows of a different size than what was previously approved. She said that on August 28th, the chair and staff conducted an intermediate review and approved a certificate of appropriateness for the replacement of windows with Quaker Classic Fit double hung metal clad wood windows of the same dimensions as the existing windows at 441 South Governor Street. Kuecker said she had driven by the property to check on progress and noticed that the windows were wider than proposed and that a mullion in between the windows had been eliminated on a few of the windows. She said the applicant's contractor said the windows needed to be larger for egress windows. Kuecker said that she has talked to the owner of the property, who has determined measurements of the existing windows, and the measurements are just under what would be required to meet egress. Kuecker said that the windows seen on the house are over what is required for egress, which is 5.7 square feet of clear, openable space. Kuecker said that guidelines state that when replacing a bedroom window that needs to be larger to meet egress, the new windows must match the size, trim, use of divided lights, and overall appearance of the previous bedroom windows. She said the guidelines also state that when one replaces new windows in general, the new windows should match the type, size, sash width, trim, use of divided lights, and overall appearance of the historic windows. Kuecker showed the windows with a black, framed screen. She said the applicant painted the screens to match the trim with the hopes of giving it more of the appearance of the mullion. Kuecker said it does appear wider than the previous photos; however, it is still not the original, six-inch mullion. Kuecker said that there are a few options available to meet egress. She said that one possibility would be to make the windows larger as seen. Kuecker said there is at least one set of double windows in each bedroom; however, in two of the bedrooms there is a single window that could change to meet egress. She stated that in one bedroom there is only a set of double windows, so that bedroom poses the most problems in that the double windows will have to be larger no matter what. Kuecker said one other option that the Commission has approved in the past is the use of a casement window instead of a double hung window to meet the egress requirements. She said this is probably not a good solution for this project, as it would leave a casement window right next to a double hung window. Kuecker added that the placement of the screens would end up looking odd. Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 2 Kuecker said another option would be to possibly use a different brand of windows, at least in the bedroom where there is only the set of double hung windows. She commented that this is not a good option, because many windows have already been ordered and replaced, and there would be a mismatch of windows. Kuecker said that eliminating the six-inch wide mullion between the windows significantly changes the character of the house. She said that a six-inch wide mullion is very typical of houses when there are two windows beside each other. Kuecker recommended that all of the double windows keep the mullion. She suggested that for the one instance where the windows have to get larger to meet egress, that the mullion become smaller, but not as small as shown. Kuecker said this would cause the windows to not all match, but there would only be a couple of inches difference between windows. Bunting Eubanks asked Kuecker if she then recommends replacing the single windows with the wider ones. Kuecker confirmed this and said she also then recommends on the other bedrooms replacing a single window with a wide window that meets egress requirements and not disturbing the size of the double windows. Baldridge asked if there would then be only one instance in which in which the double windows have to be larger. Kuecker said there would only be one instance in which the double windows need to be larger, as she understands it. She said it wouldn't need to be as skinny as shown; it could be perhaps almost two inches wider. Kuecker said that none of the windows are on the front fayade. She said the one window that would have to be made larger is on the north side of the house, for the bedroom that only has the double window in it. Kuecker said there is an instance on Washington Street on the corner of Lucas and Washington where the upper windows do have a smaller mullion, probably to meet egress requirements. Baldridge asked if this would then have a double window on the ground floor that would be what? Kuecker said that is something the Commission would need to decide. She said she would recommend that the bottom window have the same appearance as the original windows. Kuecker said there is no reason for the double windows on the lower floor to be larger for egress. Baldridge asked if it would be advisable aesthetically to have it not be like the original, wider. Kuecker said the Commission would need to decide that. Waddell said he owns Lite Window and Doors and supplied the windows for this project. Arlen said that he is with Chelsea Homes Remodeling and is the contractor for this project. Waddell said that he was not involved in this during the approval process but became involved once the window issue was raised. He stated that he has been in the window and door industry in Iowa City for eight years and has done a lot of historic jobs. Regarding this project, Waddell said that he has never seen a homeowner go to more expense and care to do things to match historically. He said that not only did the homeowners use a wood clad windOw but also went with an upcharge to do a black fascia and another upcharge to do a different color frame around the windows. Regarding egress, Waddell said he did not know where the line is drawn. He said this obviously needs to meet egress. Waddell said that the upper window is in a bedroom and does not meet egress now, so something has to change. He said that the last time he was before the Commission, casements were absolutely not allowed. Waddell said the Commission has apparently changed that a little bit, in that a grid down the middle can give the appearance of a double hung. Waddell said that the only other option is to bring the windows together. He said he never gave it a second thought, mainly because the windows seemed very appropriate to him. Waddell said he did not see any issue with this at all. He said on the old windows, the mullion is not there for aesthetics, it's there because that was the pocket for the weights. Waddell said if you want to match it that is fine, but you still have to make it work for egress. He said that if one makes the window up top meet egress and then the one below it four inches or six inches narrower, does that look better than matching them. Waddell said Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 3 he thinks that will look very strange, and the same thing, once you do one, why not carry it all the way around the house. Waddell said the primary reason with the no spread mulls, to him, was not to meet egress. He said it needed to be done for egress, but to him, he never once has seen it be an issue. Waddell said it is more of a clarification thing for him than anything else. He said that whatever needs to be done he can do, but he thinks the bottom window, with the screens painted, looks really nice. Arlen said the owner has gone to great expense to do this house. He said that the detail to be done on the siding is amazing. Arlen said the reason they didn't go with inserts in the windows is that all the siding was off anyway, so he thought he would give them all brand new construction windows. Arlen said the mulling in the middle was never a big concern of his, because it was there for the weights. Arlen said that if he spreads the windows out to get a mulling in, all the trim inside will be no good. He said that then the trim inside would need to be redone. Arlen stated that the way the windows are set up, he took the trim off on the inside, put the windows in, and the trim will go right back on. Waddell said he saw the wording of "match the old window size." He said that in his mind, he matched the old window size exactly. Waddell said that he looks at it more as the composite of the window as the one window pane matching the old window, and it is matched within a quarter inch of what was there before. He said that a different interpretation of that would be each individual section matches. Waddell said that once that's there, where does one draw the line. He said that Kuecker had stated that it would be only a couple of inches different if they were maybe mulled a little bit differently. Waddell said he would like to know where the line is drawn for future clarification. Bunting Eubanks said that this came up for an intermediate review only because it was going to be an exact replica of a historic home. She said that in the future, the applicant should come before the Commission for a full review if there is going to be any alteration in the appearance. Bunting Eubanks asked if, for the other window where there is double windows and then a single, if it has already been replaced. Waddell said that all of the windows have been delivered to the house, and some have been installed. She asked how many would have to be taken down and what would be the effect, for example if new windows would need to be ordered. Waddell said that he would have to look at the square footage of the other singles, but probably not. Bunting Eubanks asked if it would be a complicated thing to do the singles as egress. Waddell said he was not certain. Arlen said the way the windows were ordered was to make all the inside trim work. He said that therefore any alterations would make the inside trim not work. Arlen said the owners are doing a lot of work on the inside to make this historically correct. Waddell stated that any change in any window size would result in reordering windows, whether it is a double or single. Ponto asked to see the photograph of the street front. He said that looking at this from the street, it is just on the second floor where the one double is really obvious, and less so on the sides and the back. Baldridge said that there is no other window visible from this prospect. Bunting Eubanks asked if the guidelines preference any particular side of the house when it comes to changing or not changing. Kuecker said that in general, the Commission has looked at the street face as the most important face, but one also has to consider how the property looks to the neighbors and the historic integrity of the house. Ponto asked if the double window on the front needs to be egress or if there is a different window in that bedroom that could serve as egress. Arlen said he believes there is another window in that room. Kuecker said that one of the owners informed her that only one of the rooms has just double windows. She said that it is the one on the north side of the house. Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 4 Wagner asked if the problem is not so much on the exterior but the interior. Arlen confirmed this. Wagner asked if it is painted or just the original stain. Arlen said it is currently painted, but the owners want to get it back to the original stain. He said that is why getting the trim back on is a big concern. Arlen said that the trim has all kinds of detail. Bunting Eubanks asked if all of the windows needed replacing. Arlen said that they were all in very bad shape. He said that when he got to the point of caulking, the windows were almost falling out. Arlen said he blew insulation in the walls, and the owners decided to go with the extra expense for the windows, which was huge. Bunting Eubanks asked if there was any way to repair the old windows. Arlen said that the actual sashes were falling apart. He said it would have been more expensive, and there wouldn't have been near the insulating values it will have now. Trimble said the Commission cannot consider the inside of the house at all, although she said she understood the comments about the trim. Waddell asked Kuecker to show the photograph of straight on with the painted screen. Waddell said that picture is one of the most historically accurate full frame replacement windows in a house in Iowa City, with the black sashes and the different colored frames. He said the middle strip of beige is not as wide as the one above it, but aside from that, he thinks this turned out amazing. Bunting Eubanks said the Commission has to decide whether the architectural feature of the mullion is worth saving. Ponto said that it is certainly significant, because that is where the weights were, and so one would expect it to be that wide, because one would expect weights to be there. He said that not having that automatically shows that this is a more modern window. Ponto said that all of the sides are important, but the front is the highest priority. He stated that he would like to see the front view maintained. Ponto said that certainly egress requirements do make changes, and they are obviously important for safety. Wagner said he is kind of leaning towards making the front window look the same. Ponto said that he would like the front to look the same but would be more willing to compromise on the other sides of the house. Bunting Eubanks said there is one bedroom where the Commission has to go with the alternative. She said the question involves the other two bedrooms and the first floor. Swaim said the staff report makes a good point about the Commission making sure it doesn't set a precedent by eliminating the six-inch mullion. Bunting Eubanks asked if there is any other way to attach the mullion onto the middle to get a better appearance. Waddell said that a spread mullion can be done; he said it is just a block of wood that goes between the windows, and the mull cover is wide instead of narrow. He said there is not room to do that in the existing opening with the existing trim and the egress; there is just not room to do it. Waddell said it would be a lot less of an issue on one window, because it would only affect one piece of trim. Waddell said there is a lot of work involved to that window, but it would be a lot different with one window than with six. Swaim asked if a spread mullion is superficial, rather than a structural change. Waddell said that basically the window has a little U-shaped mull cover that holds it together; they're caulked and then there is a mull cover. He said that one would have to tear that mull cover off, break the windows apart, and then put something, such as a two by four or two two by fours, and then have a bigger mull cover in there. Baldridge asked if it could be six inches. Waddell said that it could be done to be six inches. Wagner asked if the owners could still use existing trim on the inside. Waddell said that it could not be used, because the window would be wider. Arlen said that would involve putting a wider header in above the windows, because the actual opening would be wider than the existing. Kuecker said that for the windows that don't need to meet egress, the windows wouldn't have to be bigger. Waddell said that is true, although that would then require a major expense on someone's part. Bunting Eubanks said the windows that don't require egress are the ones on the bottom, and Kuecker confirmed this. Kuecker showed the location of where the only window is that the owner told her is Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 5 required to be bigger for egress. Waddell said the question then is if that is allowed to look like the bottom on the top, does the Commission want a six-inch spread mull directly below that window. He said that would look a lot stranger than just having a smaller space in there. Ponto asked if there are any other double windows on that fa9ade. Waddell said there are not. Ponto said there is one double window on the front, two on the north side, and then the south side. Kuecker said there are three sets on the south side with the bay. Ponto said the bay window is another case where that is pretty common. Bunting Eubanks asked which bedroom requires egress that doesn't have another option. Waddell responded that it is the one where there is the replacement window down below. Ponto said that in some ways it makes sense that if the top one has to be egress, with the narrower mullion, the bottom one could match it, at least on that fa9ade. Trimble said that if the applicant would have come before the Commission with this, it probably still would have a wider mullion than what is there, even if it isn't six inches. Bunting Eubanks asked if it is a possibility to make it a three-inch or four- inch mullion. Waddell said it could not be done without interrupting the trim. He said that his question is if it was six, and one can do five, or four, or three, there has to be a stopping point somewhere. Trimble stated that the Commission has to follow the Secretary of the Interior Standards, but egress trumps that. She said that in this case, it would be different because of safety, whereas in other cases, the Commission must follow the standards. Bunting Eubanks said that basically the width is supposed to stay at six inches, but this is one of the cases where the safety requirements weigh in. Arlen asked what the factor is then of having the upper and lower match. Kuecker said that according to the Secretary of the Interior Standards and the Iowa City Historic Preservation Guidelines, only the windows that are required for egress should change. For example, she said that earlier this summer at 530 Washington the Commission approved casement windows but only for the windows that had to be egress windows. Kuecker said there are examples where the mullions on the first floor and second floor don't match; the one on the second floor is smaller to make the windows larger to meet egress requirements. Bunting Eubanks said the Commission could give the owners the option of which window they want to meet egress, or it could ask to have the lower one be sustained, or it could concern itself with the front fa9ade. She asked if windows could be reordered that are the same size for the lower, and Waddell confirmed this. Bunting Eubanks said that she would be in favor of giving the owners the option of which one they want to make egress and everything else staying the same. Ponto said the Commission should consider this as if it were an application without the prepurchase of any windows and what the Commission would want if this were in the planning stages. Baldridge said the rationale of having the top match the bottom would make sense, but not necessarily exclusively. He said it seems that in some houses there are cases where the top does not match the bottom for whatever reasons. Baldridge said that if the egress requirement for the upper story dictates that the upper story bedroom look different, then that's different. He said however, that he doesn't think there will be cases of people walking around the house from one side to another noticing that the windows look different. Bunting Eubanks said the Commission needs to make sure that it is being fair and are upholding the Secretary of the Interior Standards. She said that in a bedroom, egress trumps the Secretary of the Interior Standards so that the Commission will have more freedom if it wants to give the owner options. Arlen said that in general, he would like to be able to keep the front. He said he could go through the problem with the header and splitting it and get the front fa9ade the exact appearance. Arlen said he would like to keep the windows as is on the sides, just for cost. He said that although the Commission Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 6 can't take into the account the inside, it should consider the homeowners also and what they are trying to do. Arlen said that way they would only waste the trim on the one window. Bunting Eubanks said the trim on the bottom wouldn't have to be wasted. She said the exact same size windows on the bottom to replace could be ordered. Waddell said that would be $600 or $1,200 per opening, so one would be better off getting new trim, so one would probably just end up getting the new trim anyway. Bunting Eubanks said that she is saying the owner needs to keep the mullion on the bottom, and the owner could do the same size windows on the bottom if reordered. Bunting Eubanks said the problem is that the process wasn't started before the work was done. Swaim said that it is most helpful if the owner and the contractor can come before the Commission at the same time so that everything is very clear. Regarding precedent, Waddell said he could probably look through his records and find over 20 projects with two windows in a historic district with no spread mulls in them in the last eight years. Waddell said that he knows a lot of the rules and regulations, and this is something that has never come up before. Kuecker said that when staff and the chair reviewed the first certificate for the windows, these were looked at as individual windows. She said that this is not one window opening; these are two individual windows. Kuecker said that is what came through on the application, and that is what was approved - not to remove the middle piece at all but to leave that in and just replace the windows. Bunting Eubanks said that it is possible that other jobs have been completed that have gone under the radar. Swaim added that the windows may have been on non-contributing properties. She said she appreciates the owner trying to save money and the trim but knows that sometimes that can either be obtained as salvage or can be made to duplicate the original look. Ponto said that after discussion, he feels that the Commission is somewhat obligated to go with the alternative motion. MOTION: Ponto moved to deny a certificate of appropriateness for the window replacement at 441 South Governor Street that eliminates the mullion between the double windows that are not egress. Swaim seconded the motion. The motion carried on a vote of 6-0. Regarding an alternative motion, Bunting Eubanks asked if the Commission wants to allow the owners to choose the windows to be changed for the rooms that have egress requirements or if the Commission wants to require the owners to make the single window bigger in the rooms with an egress requirement. She said the Commission also needs to decide if it wants to ensure that the mullions are restored on the bottom and on the front. Swaim said she thinks that the single windows should be changed and the wide mullions preserved. Ponto asked, if an egress window is put on the second floor, what kind of outside structure is needed. Waddell said the Code is designed more for space for a fireman to get in, rather than for someone getting out. Ponto said he would not want to do something that would require an ugly, iron ladder up to the house. Bunting Eubanks asked Swaim if she is basically in favor of the alternative motion, and Swaim confirmed this. MOTION: Swaim moved to approve a certificate of appropriateness for the window replacement at 441 South Governor Street, with the following conditions: 1) the mullions in the double windows being maintained, 2) the single windows being enlarged to meet the egress requirements where feasible instead of double windows being enlarged, 3) any window that is not in a bedroom must maintain the dimensions of the original window, and 4) staff approval of the locations and dimensions of the egress windows. Ponto seconded the motion. Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 7 Ponto said the motion really doesn't address the one double window that has to be egress. Bunting Eubanks said the motion refers to meeting egress requirements. She said that if the Commission approves the motion, there is one window that can be the kind that was hung, and the other ones have to be identical replacements with the mullions intact. Waddell asked if the homeowners don't have the right to pick what window they want to be egress. Bunting Eubanks said that is true if the motion is approved. Kuecker said that as long as there is a single window that could be egress, then the double window needs to stay the same. Bunting Eubanks said that in other words, the double windows need to be replaced as the original certificate allowed for, except for the one bedroom with no single windows. Waddell asked if the single windows would be exact replacements. Bunting Eubanks said that the singles would be able to be larger to meet egress. Waddell said the owners would not get to decide that. Bunting Eubanks said that is correct. Kuecker said the motion adds that the owner or contractor will have to point out to her which windows are going to become the egress windows. She said the owner or contractor could make a valid case that shows that a single window is not feasible, and that is something she could consider, as the motion would leave the location and dimensions of the egress windows up for staff approval. Bunting Eubanks said that on the lower level, however, everything has to be the same as it was a year ago. Waddell asked if the upstairs window on the one elevation would be egress and then be different than the one directly below it. Bunting Eubanks confirmed this. Waddell asked, if the owners decide they want the window below it to also have a spread mull put in so that they match, would it be okay. Bunting Eubanks replied that all of the lower ones they have to have the mullion. She said the only one that is not required to have the mullion in between the windows would be the one bedroom where there is only a double window. Bunting Eubanks said that in the other bedrooms there might be options if the single window would not work for some reason. She said the fenestration would change so that the single windows would be larger, and the other ones would be exactly the same as if the old windows were taken out and replaced with windows of exactly the same size. Swaim added that the single windows would only be as large as required for egress. Bunting Eubanks said the issue, which the Commission has faced before, is that things were ordered and money was spent without approval. She said that whenever there is an alteration on the structure, in this case the mullions, there needs to be more consideration. Bunting Eubanks said that ultimately the reason for that is the Commission wants these homes to stay on the National Register of Historic Places, so the Commission wants to make sure the Secretary of the Interior Standards are followed in order to keep that value, unless there is a safety concern. She said the Commission is not trying to be unfair, but if it is going to make an exception, there has to be a safety reason or something of that nature. Ponto said that he always feels bad when people have spent money to do something. He said he also feels that the Commission is kind of stuck. Bunting Eubanks agreed and said the Commission is not trying to be the bad guy. Swaim stated that the Commission is looking for ways to get the word out to contractors and window supplies and such to err on the side of checking with the Commission before doing work. She said at least that way it is less likely to progress to the point where money has been spent. Waddell said that he was informed that the windows had passed. He said he did not know how the inserts passed. Waddell said he gave the owners one window that they wanted to take, and it was a bright, full pane, double hung replacement window. He said he did not know how the insert ever went through. Kuecker said it did not go through as an insert. She said the certificate stated that there would be no exterior change except for trim color and an achievement of uniformity. Waddell said that it is probably an interpretation issue. He said that the screens give the appearance. Bunting Eubanks said that it is still a change, but it had been approved with the stipulation that there would be no change at all. Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 8 The motion carried on a vote of 6-0. Bunting Eubanks said that the Commission is trying to get the word out about the guidelines and will be holding a virtual forum over the winter. She said there will be a link on the website so that people can watch and get information about windows in particular. Bunting Eubanks said this should help people know what the standards are. Kuecker said that the owners had told her that they liked the wide mullions, but were told that the windows had to get bigger for egress. Swaim asked Kuecker if the City reminds applicants that it is best for both the owner and contractor to attend the meetings. Kuecker said she did do that, but the homeowners were unable to attend the meeting. She said she sends the anyone listed on the application letters to remind them of the meeting and to let them know that it is highly recommended that homeowners, contractors, and anyone who might be involved in the project be at the meeting. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 9.2008 AND NOVEMBER 3. 2008. MOTION: Swaim moved to approve the minutes of the Commission's October 9, 2008 and November 3, 2008 meetings, as written. Ponto seconded the motion. The motion carried on a vote of 6-0. OTHER: Kuecker said the packet contains information regarding a historic preservation disaster recovery efforts workshop in Cedar Rapids on November 15th. She said she would be unable to attend, but the workshop is free and there is no registration required. Kuecker said the City of Cedar Rapids is trying to get some of its neighborhoods surveyed and trying to get more flood recovery money and would appreciate any support. She said this is also a great, close-to-home learning experience. Kuecker said that last week there was a Manville Heights Neighborhood meeting, and several Commission members attended. She told Commission members not to be discouraged by comments at the meeting. Kuecker said that about 20 people turned out for the volunteer training session on Saturday, and there are at least six more volunteers waiting to be trained. She said there are people in the Manville Heights Neighborhood who are excited about this and want to have the survey done. Kuecker said that earlier in the day, the segment about the Wetherby House was filmed for the virtual forum. She said there is about 55 minutes of footage to be edited down to just a few minutes. Bunting Eubanks said she thought the awards ceremony went very well and was very impressive. Bunting Eubanks said it took a lot of work, but it could provide about half the work needed towards the forum. She said she plans to work with Kuecker to develop a dialogue of what the Commission is doing and add details about the properties on the slides. Wagner referred to a brick house on the southeast corner of College and Governor Streets. He said that the storm windows on the house are gray and don't look right. Kuecker said that storm windows do not require a building permit, nor does the Commission have any purview over color. Kuecker said there is an opening on the Commission for a member from the Longfellow Neighborhood, Baldridge said he thought the awards ceremony was very good publicity. He said the positive enthusiasm that it generates in the people who have done work on their houses is a wonderful promotion. Ponto suggested that people in the Longfellow Neighborhood who had received awards could be approached to see if there is any interest in a seat on the Commission. ADJOURNMENT: Historic Preservation Commission November 13, 2008 Page 9 The meeting was adjourned at 7:02 p.m. Minutes submitted by Anne Schulte s/pcd/mins/hpcl200B/hpc 11-13-0B.doc c: o U) .! E E o o c: o ~ C'll ~ G) U) G) .. D- C,) 'i: .s .! 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