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Home My WebLink About2014-10-07 TranscriptionOctober 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 1 Council Present: Botchway, Dickens, Dobyns, Hayek, Mims, Payne, Throgmorton Staff Present: Markus, Fruin, Dilkes, Karr, Davidson, Hightshoe, Knoche, Yapp, Fosse, Moran, Andrew, Boothroy, Bockenstedt, Ralston, Clow Others Present: Neal (UISG) Confirmation of the Court / Linn RFP finalists: Hayek/ Okay. We'll, uh, go ahead and get started. I want to welcome everyone to the City Council meeting. Why don't we, urn ... jump to ... uh, the second bullet point first because, uh, we will not be having a conversation this evening about the Court/Linn RFP finalists. Uh, this mid ... about 3:00 this afternoon we received, uh... a correspondence from a law firm that represents one of the applicants, um, that was not selected by the Committee, um ... with I think what City Attorney construes as a threat of litigation, uh, and so based upon that, um ... uh, we're not going to have a conversation, uh, about, uh ... uh, the finalists tonight and we'll defer to Eleanor, uh, as to when we take that up and what we do going forward. Do you want to add ... do you need to add any (both talking) Dilkes/ And in the meantime I'd just advise you not to have conversation with either Prairie Sun or the other proposers. Hayek/ (mumbled) ...raced around and did a lot of reading (laughs) to try to get to the bottom of these (several talking and laughing) Dobyns/ ...decongest the agenda! (laughter) Questions from Council re: Agenda Items: Hayek/ Exactly! So ... anyway, we will take that up in due course, but not this evening. Having knocked that one off the work session agenda (several talking and laughing) let's ... let's go back to the, uh, first bullet point, which is questions regarding agenda items. Um ... and uh ... entertain any questions!" ITEM 3e(3) Mark NeuCollins (Iowa City Climate Advocates, 100 Grannies for a Livable Future, Iowa City Area Group of the Sierra Club, Physicians for Social Responsibility): Peoples Climate March Iowa City on September 21 Throgmorton/ Uh, I want to bring up a point related to Item 3e(3), which is, uh, Mark NeuCollins' email con... conveying the People's Climate March statement, but I can do it, uh, in another context (mumbled) Brenda Nations' (mumbled) (noises on mic) Excuse me, Marian, I'm sorry (laughter) My bad! Karr/ I don't need that ear! It's okay! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 2 Throgmorton/ Yeah, so (laughter and several talking) The ... there's a statement or a memo from Brenda Nations, uh, in one of the... one of the agenda, or one of the ... Info Packets and I'll ...I'll go into (both talking) Markus/ It's the 10/2 Information Packet. (both talking) Throgmorton/ Yeah. Thank you, yeah. Hayek/ Yep! Other agenda items? ITEM 3e(2) Adam Sullivan: Body Cameras Dobyns/ I was curious about, I don't know if Sam (mumbled) 3e(2). Um, this was something regarding I think, um (mumbled) ACLU senior policy analyst was... sent us some information. I was just curious, as far as operationalizing the potential for police body cameras, um, it states that ... upon going into a house, unless it's an emergency, um... that the police cameras will, uh, you know, they would ask the owner of the house if they can turn the ... keep the camera on or turn the camera off. I mean is this ... I'm not sure who I'm talking to so I want to turn around (laughter) Markus/ Yeah, you're talkin' to me! (laughter) We're ... we're having Sam look at these policies right now (both talking) Dobyns/ Okay! Markus/ ... and ... and he has not made a purchasing decision at this point. Um, that's to come later. Uh, pending his attendance at a conference to look at what the latest and greatest is in these body cams, and then associated with that, developing a, uh, probably a new policy. Dobyns/ Okay! Markus/ Um, or a changed policy that addresses some of the other issues that I'm sure the new technology will result in. Dobyns/ Thank you! Mims/ Is that something, Tom, that will come before Council? I know that might be a little unusual that something of that sort would come before Council for approval, but I'm concerned about the ... I mean this is a very highly public, uh... Markus/ Here's how I would propose that we do that. Um... Sam, uh, Police Chief will typically issue general orders and procedures manners. Um, recognizing that ... that this has received a lot of public scrutiny, um, legal counsel would review those, as well. We will submit those as part of an Information Packet so you'll have an opportunity to see them. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 3 Mims/ Okay. Markus / And you can comment on them, and based on those comments, we may alter those, but I don't want to get into the practice of having procedures, um, that are administrative... Mims/ Right! Markus/ ...actually approved, uh, by ... by Council, and so we will give you the opportunity to look at them and comment, and then we'll take `em back and consider those comments. Mims/ Okay! Thank you. Markus/ If that's fair. You know, that (both talking) Mims/ I think that gets at the gist of it. Markus/ Yeah. And that gets that out there in the public, as well. Mims/ Okay. Thank you. Markus/ Uh huh. ITEM 6. APPEAL OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION DECISION - DECIDING THE APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION DENYING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AT 220 E. JEFFERSON STREET, AN IOWA CITY HISTORIC LANDMARK LOCATED IN THE JEFFERSON STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. (ST. MARY'S ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) Hayek/ Um, couple of housekeeping items. Item 6, um ... which was, uh, an appeal of a Historic Preservation decision. We've been requested by the applicant to defer that to November 18th. Do ... do you want us to open the public hearing on that? Karr/ No. Hayek/ Just (both talking) Okay! So we'll need a motion to defer the public hearing and consideration of the motion. Karr/ We can defer and continue then both, yes. Hayek/ Then, um ... (several talking) ITEM 10. ASSESSMENTS - RESOLUTION ADOPTING AN ASSESSMENT SCHEDULE OF UNPAID MOWING, CLEAN -UP OF PROPERTY, SNOW This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 4 REMOVAL, SIDEWALK REPAIR, AND STOP BOX REPAIR CHARGES AND DIRECTING THE CLERK TO CERTIFY THE SAME TO THE JOHNSON COUNTY TREASURER FOR COLLECTION IN THE SAME MANNER AS PROPERTY TAXES. Hayek/ Kingsley, this is more for your benefit than anybody else's. Item 10 is ... is this periodic, uh, assessment that we do. It's sort of a mass assessment for un ... unshoveled walks or unmowed grass that the City has to deal with, and we have this list of, uh, property owners who, um, whom the resolution would ... would assess against, and what we do is we wait and see who shows up from this list, if anyone, to contest the assessment. If they show up this evening, then we kick this as to them to a subsequent Council date so that we know who we're going to be dealing with and staff gets prepared for, you know, Joe Blow of 123 Main Street and we take that up at a subsequent date, but then we go ahead and ... and pass the resolution assessing against anybody who does not show up this evening. That make sense? Dickens/ We've only had like one or two people show up over the last couple years. Hayek/ Yeah. I think there may be somebody this evening, but ... but we won't take that up. It's not fair for staff to prepare for however many items appear on the list (several talking) Yeah, you know ... usually one or two show up, if anybody, and then we kick that to the next meeting. That way our staff can be prepared for the hearing. Karr/ Just want to note also, Mr. Mayor, that in your late additions... the Schedule of Assessments has been amended because 11 people have paid. So there ... you'll be adopting it as amended. ITEM 8. PARK AND COMMUNITY GARDEN - RESOLUTION APPROVING A PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND TRUST UNDER THE WILL OF FRIEDA A. CHADEK FOR 5.02 ACRES OF VACANT LAND AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRIENDSHIP STREET AND 5TH AVENUE. ITEM 9. CHADEK GREEN PARK - RESOLUTION NAMING THE PROPOSED PARK CONSISTING OF 5.02 ACRES OF VACANT LAND AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRIENDSHIP STREET AND 5TH AVENUE AS " CHADEK GREEN." Hayek/ Okay. And then, uh ... oh, on ... on Chadek, uh, Green park or the ... the park that is proposed to be called Chadek Green, you know, this is more of a CIP comment than anything else. We're taking on ... I'm glad we're acquiring it. I think it's the right price, etc. It is five more acres ... to a park system that has expanded considerably over the years. Um ... we just need to keep that in mind as we go into the budget cycle, it seems to me. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 5 Markus/ One of the things that, um, is Mike here? Mike Moran and I are having discussions about are, uh, the extent that we're maintaining some of our natural areas that we have and uh, I'm encouraging him to, um, reduce some of those areas. I think it's actually more environmental, um ... and certainly less energy and ... and personnel consumptive by cutting back on some of those areas and he's already started some of that and I think, you know, those are things that he and his staff are going to look at in terms of how we go about that. Now that might be a little bit different kind of, uh ... um ... perspective for our public to see, but I think in the long run I think it's really the right approach in terms of how we maintain some of these properties. Active recreation areas, obviously, need to be maintained, but some of the more passive areas, they really don't need to be mowed every week throughout the year, which, you know, puts a heavy demand on staff. So we're looking at how we can do things a little more efficiently. Hayek/ Yep, and this may lend itself to the sort of community partnership that we had with North Market Square. Examples like that. So, anyway ... other agenda items? All right. Let's go to the third bullet point, which is the MPOJC (clears throat) scoring criteria... issue. Dobyns/ We're not deferring that today? Hayek/ No. We've gotta (several talking and laughing) Discuss MPOJC scoring criteria related to the distribution of funds for the Surface Transportation Program and Transportation Alternatives Program funds: Ralston/ Good evening, Kent Ralston, MPO Director. Um, just a quick introduction to IP4 in your packet. Uh, that memo was provided to the MPO Policy Board at their September 17th meeting regarding scoring criteria for Surface Transportation Program and Transportation Alternative Program funding, so this is the MPO grant funds. The applications for those funds will be available this winter, and prior to making those applications available, we typically provide that information to the Transportation Technical Advisory Committee, as well as the Board, to make any revisions that they see fit. Uh, there are several bullet points in that memo that were provided to the Transportation Technical Advisory Committee. The TAC, uh, did not recommend using the first three bullet points, but did recommend using the fourth, which is basically an updated Complete Streets Policy. The MPO Board already has a Complete Streets Policy that they utilize. This'll just be ... refining that policy for the most part. Um, Terry Dickens did request a per capita breakdown of how MPO grant funds have been distributed in the past and that's available on the back of that memo, and Terry also asked for an analysis of these four bullet points and how they would affect each community. We've not quite got that put together yet, but we will be providing that to the Board at the end ... at the November meeting. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about the scoring criteria. Um, Councilman Throgmorton did bring up that he would like, I think, to have this discussion here tonight, and again I'm available to answer any questions about the existing scoring criteria, which are attached in the packet; um, the process we've used in the past; and ... and those sorts of things. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 6 Mims/ Yeah, and I think Jim brought it up from the standpoint we were basically being asked to vote on it at the last MPOJC meeting and as a Council we had not had a chance to really discuss this, and so before we're sitting there trying to vote on something at the MPOJC, I think very astutely said, "Wait a minute! We need to have that discussion at Council level first to see what our thoughts and opinions are," so... Throgmorton/ And I should say that came to mind when I first looked at, I don't know, the first bullet point, which basically says that one of the criterion is that ... uh, projects that involve new construc ... construction of new roads or I don't know, widening of existing roads, would receive more points than projects that involve maintenance repair, improvement of existing roads. Ralston/ They do currently receive (both talking) Throgmorton/ Yeah, which strikes me as ab ... absolutely perverse! So it seems ... it seems to me that that works counter to our interest. So (laughs) that ... that's why, the main reason I wanted to have that... discussion take place here, and of course I was running off at the mouth during the MPO meeting (laughter) and I wanted to emphasize that I wasn't speaking for the whole Council and... so here we are! I... Payne/ (both talking) ...did recommend not using the first three bullets. So not changing anything of how it is currently scored. Ralston/ Correct, except for just refining our Complete Streets Policy. Throgmorton/ Right, but just to observe, that's a technical advisory committee, not a policy committee. It seems to me ... I'm raising a policy question, right, and that's... that's why I was hoping we could discuss. Payne/ But truly in the end the scoring means nothing. The Board can do whatever they want, regardless of the score. Ralston/ I wouldn't say it means nothing but I would say that, um, you're correct that the scores are just a tool we can use, um ... it ... historically, I think, the way the scores pan out are roughly the way the money's been administered, but that's... there's exception to that, uh, and yes, ultimately it's one tool that can be used. Payne/ So the scoring's used as a guide. Ralston/ Correct. Correct. Mims/ It's used as a guide, but I would say ... from the time I've been on MPOJC, I think it's been very seldom that the Policy Board has overruled the TTAC recommendations. And so from that standpoint, I think the scoring is really important because I think that guideline then that comes to the Policy Board tends to be followed, and I think, you know, I think as you look at the difference in this county, and you look at the mature This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 7 nature of Iowa City as being basically the oldest community with the oldest street structure, with maybe less growth than some of the others, to have the higher priority to all the new roads and not to maintaining existing roadways ... you know, I would tend to agree with Jim that that actually works against Iowa City, not that we don't have new roads to put in, but we also have a lot of roads to maintain, as well. Payne/ But in the same sense, the safety ones ... on existing roads the safety ones... existing roads should hi ... score higher on the safety. The new roads shouldn't score anything on the safety cause you don't know what the safety is. So some of the other items balance that one item out. Throgmorton/ I don't think any of `em do. Payne/ Huh? Throgmorton/ Didn't seem to me that any of them do. I don't know. Kent may be able to comment (both talking) Payne/ I mean, how could you put safety on a new road? You don't know what the safety was, so you can't stay that it's going to improve safety. Ralston/ Right. You wouldn't get any ... you would not get any safety points if it was a brand - new facility, meaning ... you know, we've ... we've plowed through a field and we're created a new road. However, if you make significant geometric improvements, that's one of the caveats with that, and you can still receive the highest amount of points for essen ... um ... Kirkwood would be a good example of this, where Kirkwood was essentially reconstructed. You know, it's ... it's much different than it was originally. Same alignment, but a much different roadway. Had Kirkwood had, um, some safety issues on it previously, then they could have been awarded some points for correcting those safety issues, uh, at an intersection, for instance, by adding a traffic signal or ... or something to that affect. So it... so it does balance itself out but it... it wouldn't be the case in all cases, I guess. It depends what the project would be. Markus/ When the TAC Committee meets to discuss these, Kent, you and I discussed this a little bit, there's kind of a ... a, kind of a fleshing out or a cajoling kind of...debate and determination that goes along with this process. Can you describe that? Ralston/ At the TAC level? Um, there is, you know ... since I've been with the MPO, I think in eight years we've had maybe four or five funding cycles, and every funding cycle this comes up at the TAC level. You know, there's each different, uh, member entity wants to change a certain criteria in a certain way, other members, you know, member communities don't. Um, so you're right, there is a certain amount of cajoling that goes on there. I would say again historically ... we had ... we had sort of a major revision... maybe four years ago to the scoring policy. Uh, part of that was because the ... the feds wanted us to kind of restructure our scoring criteria. Since that time, you know, we've made minor tweaks, but typically... the Technical Advisory Committee and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 8 the Board have ... have chosen to keep our scoring criteria very simple, and I think that's because there is a certain amount of, uh, you know, political discussion that goes on during the process, of actually allocating the funds. So, there is a certain amount of cajoling that goes on, and ... and I think the feds like to keep it this way because they don't want to be able to ... the money is ... the money's for the region, so there's a certain amount of that that ... that does need to take place. They don't want the highest scoring project to always get the funding, because it may not be the ... the best project. You know, there's a certain amount of that that needs to take place, so, um... Payne/ What would be an example of a project that got one point for maintenance? Ralston/ Let's see. So if looking at the Surface Transportation Program criteria, um, one point for maintenance would be maybe... sealing cracks. Simply going out and sealing cracks that have ... that have taken shape in the concrete or the black ... or the asphalt. Sim ... very simple maintenance! Payne/ So to me maybe that only deserves one point, I mean it's... Throgmorton/ You know, there's a lot of rescer ... research that suggests that if you invest a lot of, uh, capital into improving the quality of existing roads, and I don't mean just making `em better streets for cars to travel on, but just improving the quality of the roads so that they strengthen, uh ... uh, property values on either side of the road, that you can dramatically enhance the ... the qu ... the value of the property adjacent to the road. So that ... that's what I'm trying to get at. Payne/ But that's a reconstruction project. That's not maintenance. Throgmorton/ Well, I (mumbled) I don't know about that, but you know (both talking) Payne/ He just gave us an example of maintenance. Throgmorton/ If you have severely deteriorated roadways... that, you know, need ... well, never mind. May ... maybe your point's right about that, so I ... I don't want to push that too much. I'm just trying to say that...it...it strikes me that there is a lot of research suggesting that we could choose to invest limited transportation funds differently, in a way that would be much more to the advantage of Iowa City than the current, um, criteria would indicate. That's what I'm (both talking) Payne/ Do you have a recommendation? Throgmorton/ I think the criteria ought to be trashed. I mean I ... I really don't think the criteria themselves are ... are very, uh, very good. I'm exaggerating. I shouldn't have wor ... used the word trashed. I think they need to be rethought, okay? With regard to this one criterion, uh, you know, I want to just convey that particular point. I think it works to our disadvantage to have the criterion emphasize construction of new roadways. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 9 Mims/ Kent, could you address the fact that when you look at the STP money and you look at funds per capita, and this is from fiscal year 2002 to 2018. So what's been, I guess, committed all the way out through. I mean, we end up with the five cities, you end up with one. Then on a per capita basis has gotten 50% more than the closest ... than the one in second place. Well, I ... I'm sorry, the one in third place. It's not quite 50% over the second place. I mean, there's a huge disparity on a per capita basis, um, across the five cities as to how the funds have been allocated and ... is it simply because so much weight is being given to new road construction and there's been so much growth in that area? Ralston/ I ... yes, I think that's part of it. But again, because this is regional funding, there are a lot of projects that Iowa City at the Board level may vote for that are not in Iowa City, and I think that's happened in... in the case of Oakdale Boulevard extension. I think that's a project that Iowa City saw as a ... a very good regional project to get that connection, uh... Mims/ Oh, yeah, and I'm not ... I'm not saying that Iowa City Council Members haven't voted for these projects at the MPO level. I think ... I think in the majority of the cases we have, but I guess my question is, you know, it just seems like when you seeing virtually a 50% more per capita in one community than basically the next two highest, then the two lowest ones are, you know, much lower that a disproportionate amount of the money is going... in one city out of these five. Ralston/ I think some of that is because of the need. Uh, Coralville I think is what (both talking) Mims/ Yeah, I mean, there are ... there are 601 per capita and you've got Tiffin at 421, University Heights at 400. You've got Iowa City at 339, and North Liberty at 316. Payne/ Don't you really have to add those last two together. So really Tiffin's at 673? Mims/ I was looking just at the STP numbers. I mean just... Ralston/ So ... so for example, let ... if we do look at the ... the Transportation Alternatives Funding just to simplify things. If you look at Tiffin, for instance, you know, they have $252 per capita for their trails funding, and a lot of that is if you've got a smaller community, of course, um, small population but you get one big project. Mims / Right. Ralston/ You know, say ... a half million dollar project or a million dollar project, which typically the Board likes to fund bigger projects if they can, just to get more bang for their buck in getting projects completed that way, whether than ... rather than piecemealing them along. You know, just one project like that, for instance... Mims/ Sure. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 10 Ralston/ ...uh, will throw Tiffin (both talking) their per capita way off the chart. Uh, Coralville I think is a similar situation, um, but they have been very, um, competitive, I guess too with their applications they actually submit to the MPO. So they'll typically apply for maybe four or five different projects and I mean they're very competitive in the way they ... they work that way. So, some of this too could reflect, uh, lack of application. I don't think that's the case for Iowa City, but lack of applications, uh, even submitted to the MPO. Mims/ Uh huh. Ralston/ And it's kind of a, you know, you can't win if you don't play type of...you know, since it's grant funding. Throgmorton/ Could I slightly modify what I said a few minutes ago? I ... I don't want to emphasize so much that it ... that I'm advocating what's in the best self - interest of Iowa City. It seems to me that ... for the long -term sustainability of this region, not ... not just our city, but of the region, our priorities should be different... with regard to construction of new roads relative to maintenance and repair, etc., of existing roads, and en ... enhancing the quality of existing roads. Markus/ You know, in terms of the policy part of this, you ... you do get into the conflict of whether this is going to benefit, you know, the winners and losers, you know, kind of argument, versus whether this is the ... the best policy, and if you look at our strategic plan, our strategic plan has an inherent conflict in it too, because it says we should be investing in our core areas, which would go to your argument about, you know, the existing infrastructure. At the same time it emphasizes economic development, and I think what Rick and Ron would tell you is that we've got a couple of big projects coming up, um, that would go to the economic development issue, and that's Oakdale, uh, when it comes through IC and McCollister, which you know eventually is that southern kind of loop road as well. So we get into all those kinds of conflicts, and I think your comment's correct — you should look at what's the best policy with ... without the winners and losers, be ... because in our case I don't think you can even use the strategic plan very effectively in this argument because it has inherent conflicts in it, as well. So ... Rick's jumping to the fray! (laughter) Fosse/ Well the ... the other piece I wanted to add that was part of our discussion the other day at...at the TAC level was, uh, when you look at the ... the existing scoring and you look at the, where it talks about new projects, it assigns five points for reconstruction with geometric improvements, or new road alignment. So ... if you take an existing road, and you implement complete streets policy, you're making geometric improvements. So you know there ... there was a comfort level of the Board that ... that puts an existing road with implementation of complete streets on the same level as a new road. So that, coupled with what Tom just talked about, with Oakdale and McCollister, at some point in our future, uh, is ... is why we put our votes where we did on this one. That's just a background there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 11 Throgmorton/ Well, I ... you know, I ... I'll plead ignorance. I don't really know what our complete streets policy is at the moment, uh, because it seems to me it's undergoing review in some fashion, especially with regard to South Sycamore Street. Uh, and ... you know, and if that's the case, then I don't really know what a complete street is for the core of the city. I understand what we've done on Scott Boulevard. I understand what McCollister currently looks like, and I understand that's consistent with current understandings of... of the, uh, of the complete streets policy. Fosse/ Uh huh. Throgmorton/ (both talking) But that ... we're rethinking that at the moment, are we not? Fosse/ Yes we are, and I think it's important to reexamine any ... any policy that we have periodically, but if you want to get a vision of what our existing complete streets policy conveys, look at the Lower Muscatine project that we just finished. Uh, we went from four lanes to three in a certain area, and other parts we widened out. We have bus pull - offs there. We put in turn lanes to help with the congestion, and we ... where we did widen out, we made room for the bicycles in that area. So there's... there's enough room to share the lanes comfortably. So that's a ... a good project that incorporates a number of complete streets policies. Payne/ And it's a reconstruction. Fosse/ Yes! Payne/ Did it get five points cause it's geometric, the ... whatever that says. (laughter) Fosse/ I ... I'm guessing it did (both talking) Payne/ With geometric improvements! Fosse/ Yes! I think that it did, but I ... I can't say with 100% accuracy on that. Hayek/ Well, but ... but based on the current scoring criteria, could a project like that be competitive with something in a green field? Fosse/ Yes! That's... that's... that was our consensus understanding during our discussion... at the TAC level. Markus/ Rick, is there kind of a self - balancing that goes on with the TAC Committee? You know, to be maybe more blunt — it's now our turn? Does that ever happen? Fosse/ Well there's... there's some of that that goes on, but you know since... since we got away from the ... the actual straight per capita distribution, uh, we're prohibitive from having those specific types of discussions. And that's where some of those imbalances come up This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 12 (mumbled) come about, and... and the scoring criteria that you have in front of you today, the one that's in place now has evolved what, two or three iterations? You think? Ralston/ Yeah, at least. Fosse/ And I think the early versions help contribute to some of that imbalance that you had there, cause it... it was heavily weighted on congestion and uh, safety and that sort of thing, to kind of, uh, situations that you get yourself in with some quick grof... growth and not, uh, sufficient planning on your transportation system. So to ... to undo some of those things are what these projects were ... were going to. Mims/ So, Rick, from staff perspective, do you think these are a good set of criteria or think they should ... you personally, do you think some of these other bullets should be incorporated? Fosse/ We aligned with ... with the vote that ... that was there, so we felt good about those ... those first, well, all four of those bullet points... Mims/ Uh huh. Fosse/ ...and that fourth one, speaking to the ... to the complete streets policy, um, you know, all of the ... all the entities in the MPO adopt the complete streets policy. What's important is that you look at each application to see if a specific prop ... or project is implementing the elements of complete streets, cause not all of them do. So policy or not, it ... you need to look at the specific project and ... and there's a question in the ... in the existing system where it looks at multi- modal. It addresses that. Mims/ Uh huh. Fosse/ So that's a good thing. Mims/ So, our City staff is comfortable not adopting those first three bullet points? Fosse/ That's correct. Throgmorton/ So I ... I want to make a claim, and I may be completely off -base here and anybody can object and disagree. Uh, my claim is that the criteria as they exist are heavily weighted toward the construction of new roadways that are designed to facilitate the free flow of traffic, and ... thereby enhance the likelihood that new development will occur on the periphery of the existing urbanized area, and if that's true ... that undermines the sustainability objectives built into our Comprehensive Plan and undermines our ability to, uh ... uh, promote urban design and development that would be for ... work to the long- term benefit of the people of Iowa City. That's my claim. So ... therefore, it seems to me the criteria need to be rethought. Fosse/ Well, I can think of an exception to that, that we built, uh, a few years ago, and that was Scott Boulevard ex ... extended. Uh, that was a ... a project, it was a new road, uh, we've This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 13 not seen development along that because of the preference of the adjoining property owner. Uh, that did take considerable traffic out of the northside neighborhood. That was going through that neighborhood, gave them more of a direct route, uh, it saves hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel each year by providing that more direct route, while getting that heavy traffic out of an older neighborhood. So, I see that as a ... as a good thing for us. Botchway/ So if we were to change the scoring criteria for this specific discussion, how would we go about that from an MPO standpoint? Ralston/ So ... so the way this would work is that I'm ... I'm ... I will have this on our November agenda and, uh, the City Council Members that were at the MPO Board meeting requested to go back to the Council, which is this forum tonight, the discussion we're having. In November this'll be back on the agenda, again asking the question to the Board do you like the existing scoring criteria or would you like to make revisions, and at that point in time, if, uh, Iowa City, for instance, wants to make a change, the Board will have to concur with moving forward with that change, will draft that criteria. You know, at this point we haven't ... even gone as far as drafting these criteria cause we wanted to make sure there was interest before we spent the time doing that. We'll draft the criteria and then we'll ... we will need to bring that back to the Board at our January meeting and have it adopted one way or another at that January meeting. At that point if we push on too much further it's going to hold up the ... the grant funding process a little bit. Botchway/ Then my next ... A (mumbled) My next question is ... is to Jim's point — do you see it as a disadvantage, um, for, um, new roadways as compared to existing roadways? Ralston/ You know, I really don't, and part of the rea .... well, I shouldn't say I don't. It ... it may be in some cases it is, but ... but part of the way the grant funding process works is it's also depending on what applications we receive. You know, some years we receive more applications from all the member communities that might be for new roadways. Some years we get more trail projects. So it's really also because it's a competitive grant process. It doesn't necessarily mean that, uh, you know, the funding is going towards new roads that year. Some years I think it leans a little more towards new roads. Some years it leans more towards trails and it's really just kind of the ... the needs the community have at the time and the way the Board likes to direct the money. Botchway/ I mean I'll be honest with you, Kent. Based on that answer, I would say that we need to change the criteria. I mean, just from an advantage standpoint, um, just to make it more balanced and similar to what Susan said and Jim said. I mean, I ... I just ... when we were talking about it, I was just thinking about, you know, cities or regions that do think about new roads first, and that's, you know, obviously what Tom was saying from an economic development standpoint, that's what you want, uh, as far as bigger projects, but then I think of all the ... the potholes and everything else, as far as maintaining those new roads that, you know, if we're not getting any type of, uh, preferential treatment or you know (mumbled) some type of scoring bias, um, to those particular roads, I think it's going to be problematic, not only for Iowa City. I mean, we're advocating for Iowa City, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 14 but I think, you know, I ... it could be that the rest of the MPO Board agrees as well, if we come back to them and say, you know, we thought about it, not only for Iowa City but as a region and, you know, what are your thoughts as well, I mean, presumably they could disagree, and ... then we (both talking) Payne/ But ... so you're going to just change one of these, so that maintenance gets three points instead of one? I mean, I don't ... I don't understand what ... what you would do to make it different. That's kind of what I was asking Jim — what would you do to make it different? Dobyns/ Kent, did you do a sensitivity analysis, or somebody, at some point, that just changed this a little bit and then see what the numbers came out of? Cause sometimes a prioritization is based on a very few number of points but someone must have ... played with this a little bit, looked at it. Ralston/ The way ... we have. The way it usually plays out is that the projects... there'll be one or two projects that score very low, for... for... for various different reasons, but the majority of the time, the top, you know, six or eight projects are within (both talking) six or eight points, you know. Dobyns/ One point! Ralston/ Well it ... (laughter) Yeah. I mean the scoring is ... it's usually pretty close, you know, some of the better projects filter towards the top. Some of the ones that don't have, um... you know, that don't score as well filter towards the bottom, obviously, but generally speaking ... the scoring is pretty close. So (both talking) in terms of a sensitivity analysis, you know, it's ... one point does make a big difference, but... Dobyns/ Where can we get a point, Kent? (laughter) Ralston/ Well, you know, we haven't gone through all the scoring criteria. You know, we've kinda hit ... we've kinda touched base on a few of these. Dickens/ We have six votes. Dobyns/ Yeah. Ralston/ That's true! Uh, you know, and there are some scoring criteria in here that do help Iowa City and do help existing roadways. Uh, for one ... for example ... on ... it's the environmental questions on ... if we look at the Surface Transportation Program. So in this ... in this particular scoring criteria, you would get additional points for reducing vehicle emissions. So this could be ... you know, not all the projects are for new roadways. You know, we get traffic signal projects, for instance. You can apply just for ... for improvements at an existing downtown traffic signal, you know, existing intersection, and in this case, if for instance you signalize an intersection say in the downtown core, hypothetically speaking, you would get more points for that. So, you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 15 know, there ... there are those points you can squeeze out, depending on what, uh, projects you apply for, and I think my advice would be ... and ... and we've already talked to Iowa City staff about this, is the MPO's happy to work with staff and find projects that do score well. I mean, I think that's part of the key is to make sure that ... that we're competitive in what we're applying for. Mims/ So can we get a project funded... Michelle's mentioned this before (laughs) that would signalize... that would coordinate the signals on all the lights from Highway 1 west through Highway 6 east, so you don't stop 14 times between Menard's and Iowa City Market Place. Ralston/ (several talking) I mean, hypothetically speaking yes, that would be ... that would be allowed under the funding criteria. They're coordinated now (several talking) Payne/ Not very well! (laughter) Botchway/ Just gotta drive fast enough to get through all (laughter and several talking) Payne/ ...the speed limit! (laughter) Mims/ I've tried it both ways, so ... (laughs) Hayek/ So I'm ... I'm, uh, I'm a little reluctant to weigh in too much because one of the few perks I've had over the last five years is not having to go to MPO meetings (laughter) ...celebrate every time I see a packet come out, but I ... couple of thoughts. First I ... I guess I'm not hearing, uh ... an indication from staff that the current scoring disadvantages reconstruction, uh, projects, visa vie green fields, new roads, and secondly, I ... although I ... I think we need, I mean, obviously sus ... sustainability and our environmental (mumbled) etc. are... are... are goals for us and ... and should be for the entire region. You know, we ... we will have growth at our fringe, north, south, east and west. We want it, uh, for a variety of reasons — from schools to economic development to ... and so on and so forth. We want to do so intelligently and without sort of rampant Houston -style anything goes, but I ... I wouldn't want us to disadvantage ourselves. Ralston/ Right, and I think a key piece that I ... that I probably should have mentioned is that the ... the funds themselves are only allowed to be used on ... essentially arterial streets. They're... they're federally functional classified roads is the way we ... we discuss them, but it's essentially the arterial streets network of Iowa City. So the way the federal funds are ... are set up, for roadways, are for your major thoroughfares. I mean that's... that's typically how they're set up. Now that major thoroughfare might be through downtown Iowa City, for instance, uh, Burlington Street's one of them, uh, but it may be on the periphery as well. So ... so that's kind of a key element too is, you know, we can't use these funds on local streets, uh... Payne/ We're not going to apply for these funds to rebuild the bricks on Brown Street. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 16 Ralston/ Correct. Brown Street wouldn't be one of the ... the classified streets that it would need to be ... to be acceptable for the funding. Mims/ I mean, I think listening to staff, hearing the answers, and ... and to me the one I was probably most concerned with was the first one and it does ... you know, it does give the five points, both for reconstruction, or a new road, um, alignment, and I think a lot of the others and I ... I'm hearing what staff is saying that you really can go either way with that and ... and the TTAC has done that. I think the majority of the rest are pretty... urn ... are pretty good... criteria. So I'm ... hearing staff and hearing their viewpoint on it. I'm comfortable, um, leaving them the way they are. Dobyns/ I think from what I've heard (mumbled) Kent said I think they have looked at it, and you know, it's not low political fruit to be able to change the score system, but I can see they have a sense that they can work within the current scoring system and maybe have us do certain things to gain priority. Mims/ We just may need to be more aggressive on some of the projects we put forward (several talking) Dobyns/ Yes. Payne / And... Hayek/ More grants! Payne/ ... staff, I mean, staff can score the stuff ahead of time and say we think this one will get about this score, and say this is a project we should put forth because it's got a high score! Ralston/ Correct. Payne/ This is one we shouldn't because it doesn't! Ralston/ Correct. And that ... and Iowa City staff knows (both talking) Payne/ Play the game! Ralston/ ...yeah, and Iowa City staff is, uh, historically pretty good at that, so they know ... they know what projects score well and which ones don't. Mims/ Okay. Throgmorton/ I hear the voices. Let me ask you a question about the criteria, and I think I read having to do with the ... the TAP. What is that (both talking) Ralston/ ...Transportation Alternatives Program. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 17 Throgmorton/ ...Program. Ralston/ It's ... it's essentially the trails and the trails' funding is what ... it's typically referred to as. Throgmorton/ Right, right, okay. Uh, well I ... maybe I misread the ... the criteria which I've ... I've been known to do. But anyhow, it ... I thought I read, uh, that one of the criterion gave weight to new roadways that would reduce daily VMT, vehicle miles traveled. Did I read that? Ralston/ Uh huh. That's in the Surface Transportation Program criteria, but yes, that's correct. Throgmorton/ Right, right. So what new roadways will reduce VMT? Ralston/ Um ... (several talking) Mims/ Yeah, I think the Scott Boulevard extension is ... is a prime example (several talking) Ralston/ McCollister Boulevard would be another example. Throgmorton/ I ... you know all the research I'm aware of says you build a new road, what it does is attract more traffic, and ... I mean in general. It ... it, what's the ... induces, uh, traffic, and the more roads you build, the more likely it is that people are gonna have to drive farther. So VMT, I don't ... I don't know, is there any data about trends in VMT within the urbanized area? Ralston/ There are. We ... gave a report to the Board maybe a ... maybe about a year or so ago, um, and what we're seeing is actually trends in fewer vehicle miles traveled, locally... in Iowa City and the urbanized area. I think it's a national trend, but we ... you know, so ... to that end we are building more roads but we are actually seeing a reduction in overall vehicle miles traveled. Throgmorton/ Right, good point and (both talking) Ralston/ ...transit numbers are up, our bike and ped numbers are up and so forth. Throgmorton/ Good point. I guess that's true. The national trend has been down for the past, what... five or more years. Ralston/ Yeah, within the last few definitely. Throgmorton/ (both talking) ... and here too, huh? Hayek/ Okay, so I think we're going to go with the staff recommendation to stick with existing and... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 18 Ralston/ That's fine, and I'll ... I'll probably rely on, uh, Iowa City Councilmen to report that at the Board meeting. Mims/ Sure. Ralston/ You know, I'll let ... I'll let you guys discuss that for yourselves, but uh, that's... that's perfectly acceptable! Hayek/ Okay. Mims/ Okay. Hayek/ Thank you, Kent. Throgmorton/ Thanks, Kent. Ralston/ Thank you! Agenda Additions: ITEM 3d(11) SUBORDINATION AGREEMENT —RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A SUBORDINATION AGREEMENT SUBORDINATING THE CITY'S MORTGAGE FOR THE FINANCING OF CAMP CARDINAL ROAD CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO A MORTGAGE SECURING THE REFINANCE OF A LOAN HELD BY MIDWESTONE BANK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 122 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF THE CROSSING IN IOWA CITY. Karr/ Mr. Mayor, I neglected to ... in talking about the agenda, there are two additions, uh, to the agenda. I just wanted to note. One of...to the Consent Calendar. So we'll adopt it as amended. One is Item 3d(11), the Subordination Agreement. It's a resolution regarding the mortgage for financing of Camp Cardinal Road and then we have two pieces of correspondence that we'll also be adding to the Consent Calendar that was in your late handouts. Okay? i� J &yam e_ ( 15") 04,) Throgmorton/ And what ... what's the correspondence? Karr/ Oh, the correspondence, um, some of it is dealing with Court/Linn finalist selection, and the other piece is dealing with a question regarding a Class E liquor license. Throgmorton/ Thanks! Dobyns/ Are you two having fun messing with our agenda? (laughter) Information Packet discussion (September 18, 25, and October 2): This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 19 Hayek/ Okay, Info Packets, September 18th. The Blue Zones' event. Karr/ On that Blue Zones, I'd like to clarify whether we should post that as a work session, if there's going to be a quorum of you present. Payne/ I will not be there. Throgmorton/ I intend to be there. Botchway/ Me too. Mims/ Me too. Karr/ That's... three. Hayek/ I may. I mean, you might as well ... just in case. Karr/ Because when we ... okay. We can do that. We'll post it as a work session then. Botchway/ Well I mean... Dilkes/ Well then you don't just post it as a work session. You gotta take minutes and (both talking) Karr/ yeah, there's the whole package. I just (both talking) Dilkes/ I mean if you're not... if there's only going to be three of you there (several talking) Hayek/ Why couldn't we (several talking) Karr/ I'm sorry? Hayek/ Why couldn't we ... (several talking) Karr/ Well I think the whole... stump rule it, you mean? (laughter) The whole premise is (both talking) Hayek/ ...log rule it! (laughter) Karr/ There'd be an exchange of...there's a dialogue. The premise is an exercise. Dilkes/ I don't know what meeting you're talking about, so I... Hayek/ It's the next Blue Zones' community wide event... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 20 Karr/ After the Human Rights' breakfast. Botchway/ I don't need to go! So we can ... I don't need to go. If Matt's going to go, then I don't need to go. Throgmorton/ Kingsley's out! (laughs) Hayek/ Why don't we flip a coin and see who goes? (laughter and several talking) I don't know if it's the kind of thing that would lend itself to a communication that would get us in trouble if we hadn't posted it. Or not. Karr/ I ... I defer to Geoff, but Geoff and I spoke about it and I believe our ... the intent is there be, uh, a dialogue rather than... Fruin/ Uh, the way that the morning session is going to be structured, which I think is what most of you would be interested in is, uh, Dan Burden is going to talk about complete streets and we've given Dan an advance copy of a draft that staff is working at. He's going to have comments about that and just talk generally about, um, how complete streets policies can benefit the community and he might give advice on ... on how to improve, uh, Iowa City's complete street policy. I imagine just knowing his style there will be some back and forth dialogue with the audience, um ... and we do ... at some point in the future, probably within the next six months, anticipate bringing the complete streets, a revised complete streets policy to the Council for your consideration. Hayek/ Let's do this. I ... I don't have interest in taking up staff time and generating more minutes and stuff. Let's just make sure that no more than three Councilors are there. Kingsley and I'll figure that out and the two of you can plan on going. Mims/ Okay. That sounds good! Throgmorton/ Okay. Botchway/ Terry, means you're not going. Dickens/ Sounds too healthy for me! (laughter) Hayek/ You're not our poster child, if that's what you're asking! (laughter) Throgmorton/ Matt, how bout IP #3, the Community Planning Workshop, the South District Plan, which was held yesterday, last evening right? I wonder if Doug or John could give us a very quick update about how it went. Yapp/ Uh, it went very well. Uh, we had about 75 people in attendance, uh, at Grant Wood School. Uh, a lot of positive discussion. Uh, more positive than I ... I expected, uh, in fact. A lot of attention paid to the, uh ... uh, large amount of open space in the south district and how can that area take more advantage of that open space, both as a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 21 neighborhood and in marketing the south district. Uh, we've collected a lot of feedback, and it was a ... a rather late night for staff, but we will be going through that feedback in the next couple weeks and summarizing it. Throgmorton/ Great! Great, glad to hear it! Thanks! Hayek/ I heard from a resident who was very impressed with it last night. Other items on the September 18th Info Packet? Payne/ Can I ask a question about IP4? That's the one, the old design guidelines should not be applied today, from the City Manager. I read this as ... that we are doing something negative and that we need to change what we're doing ... or ... or think about changing what we're doing. Did ... did I interpret that correctly or is that ... was that... Markus/ It's just the historic designation. I ... I just think it was kind of a different perspective on designation of his ... historic buildings. And ... you know, I ... I share these articles to kind of generate conversation about, um, about different issues, and this one, um, I thought was kind of interesting because if I recall it correctly and it's been a while since I read it and then sent it, urn ... the designations occur in the core city areas for historic buildings, which then causes, uh, a number of highrises to ... to be pushed out to the edges, and that I think the ... the comments in the article also went to the ... the issue that we have, urn ... we have memorialized historic designations of buildings into our building codes and become so rigid as to make them, um, almost impenetrable for new development ideas, and so what I would say to you is I think you have to keep that in mind when you, in particular, look at maybe some marginal, uh, buildings that, um, because of their particular age have history on their side, but that, uh, from a practical standpoint may not be the best use for a particular property, and ... and I think that ... maybe Sabin School is an example of that. That would have been an easy designation to have lived with. We, you know, vetted that through a number of public discussions, uh, and then the ... the Council chose to redevelop that site, which means the demolition of that ... that school, uh, but for better uses and I think the tradeoff was we saved some architectural features. So ... long and short of it is, I think that ... when you look at all of these things, you have to kind of look at what is the highest and best use. What's the best thing for our community. Um, sometimes I think we get caught up a little bit in the, you know, pushing history for history's sake and... and that's all relative. Payne/ And ... and I kind of interpreted that ... the historic use was for this building, this building, and this building — not this area. That you shouldn't apply it to an area. That you should apply it to a building. Rather than an area. So not be so rigid for the whole area, but ... do it individually, rather than... globally. Markus/ Yeah, I ... I think it's ... it's an interesting perspective that was, you know, probably not really thought of and ... and those are the kind of articles I'm kind of attracted to anyway, so... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 22 Payne/ It's ... it's one of those things that, um ... when historic designations came up, maybe it was an unintended outcome of where we are today. Markus/ That's exactly what the article (mumbled) the author was saying, yeah. Payne/ Thank you. Dobyns/ We had ... we had several articles about Uber, uh, primarily in Des Moines, and I know we're going to be talking about taxi ordinances. Is this going to be coming up, Marian, later on, uh ... I've seen a lot of articles. I think we're... someone's trying to inform and educate Council (laughter) I ... I'm not against that in ... in general. Karr/ We thought we were being more subtle! (laughter) Dobyns/ Okay. Karr/ Staff is ... is working on a, uh, a total revision to the taxi ordinance as we know it now to, uh, provide you some information, but also to provide you options and including Uber in that presentation. Um, we think it'd be shortsighted not to include it as we talk about safety and the future of transportation. So that'll be coming to you, hopefully in the next 30 days. Dobyns/ Okay. Thank you. Hayek/ September 251H Dickens/ Just like to thank ... the former Steve Long that ... used to work here (laughter) for putting the UniverCity Neighborhood Program, cause we had some questions about the price of this house, and it shows that the average is below that. That was just ... there was a lot of...extra money put into that particular house, but it seems to be accomplishing what we want. We're just trying to find houses that will fit into that (mumbled) ...good update I think. Payne/ I thought it actually showed that... it... it proved to me that what I've been saying all along — we're putting people in a bad position. Somebody that only makes $26,000 probably shouldn't have been allowed to buy one of these homes. I mean, the low end of the scale was ... the income was $26,000, and they really bought a house for over a hundred grand? To me that (both talking) Dickens/ ...household income was $49,400 (both talking) Payne/ The average! Right, but that means somebody made $26,000 and they bought a house that was probably at the low end of the purchases, but ... you know, that just ... doesn't compute in my mind. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 23 Dobyns/ I'd like to give a (several talking) Oh! Want to give a shout out to Dennis — congratulations on getting the, uh, Distinguished Budget Presentation Award, uh, from the GFOA. Nice job ... on behalf of you and the City staff, so ... super! (several talking) Mims/ Yeah, congratulations Geoff Fruin on being selected to the 40- under -40. Hayek/ We need a $10,000 ad, uh, in CBJ, I think, to celebrate that. (several talking and laughing) $15? (laughter) Mims/ Congratulations, Geoff. Well deserved! Fruin/ Thank you. Mims/ Appreciate all you do! Um, in that packet also ... um, IP9, just bring attention to the Community Job Fair and ... um ... resource fair and that ... that kind of ties in a little bit to actually I'll jump ahead to ... to, urn ... information packet from October 2nd , IP9, on the recruitment efforts that the City is making, uh, just in terms of getting more information out about the hiring process for the City where vacancies are posted, civil services, etc. Um, so thanks to staff to, uh, starting to implement some of those, uh, changes and hopefully help us diversify City staff. Hayek/ Geoff, thanks for another strategic plan update. Those are... Mims/ Yeah! Hayek/ ...methodical, uh, processes and the ... the document clearly reflects a lot of input. Uh, it's very helpful to us and the public. Mims/ Uh huh. Dobyns/ Much quicker read too! Mims/ Yes! Dobyns/ Very! Payne/ I actually had a couple questions about that as long as you brought it up. Um, and they're more... probably words that I have questions over, and they're under `Accomplishments' and ... Rick's giving me a bad look here (laughter) On page ... 33, and it's 33 of the packet. Under `Accomplishments,' the very top one says "working to finalize the Burlington Street dam." I mean, if it's an accomplishment you shouldn't still be doing it. (laughter) Right? (several talking) I'm not being picky, but if somebody reads this (several talking and laughing) Is this done or is it in the wrong column? (laughter) You know? (laughs) Throgmorton/ I agree with Michelle! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 24 Fruin/ It's not done. Yeah, it's not done (several talking) Payne/ So it really should be in the `Future Plans' then, not an `Accomplishment' cause it's not done yet. Fruin/ We'll ... we'll move it over to `Future Plans' (several talking and laughing) We've made considerable progress that we feel really good about (laughter) Payne/ I .... I understand. I'm really not being critical (laughter) Fruin/ No, I ... I understand! Dobyns/ When he gets older than 40 he'll do better! (laughter) Payne/ There's the same thing on page 41 that says `finalizing design' and so ... under the top button, or the top bullet. Fruin/ Okay. Payne/ Sorry! (laughs) Fruin/ Thank you! (laughter) Payne/ Do you not want me to read that in- depth? Hayek/ I'm sorry, can't win for losin'? What was that? (laughter) Anything else on the September 25, uh, Info Packet? All right! Uh, October 2 °a. Mims/ Got KXIC for IP5. Throgmorton/ We could do that. I ... I'd love to do the 15tH, or the 22 °d, Marian. I'm pretty much due now. Karr/ Please disregard the October 24th. (mumbled) So you've got October 15tn, 22 °a, 29th November 5tH Botchway/ I can do the 22 °d Throgmorton/ Okay, can I do the 151H. Karr/ 15th is Throgmorton. 22nd is King ... Botchway. Dickens/ I'll do the 291H Karr/ Dickens. (both talking) November 5tH This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 25 Payne/ I should be able to do November 5th Karr/ Is that Michelle? Payne/ Yes! Dickens/ Yes or no? Payne/ Yes! Karr/ Should be able to (several talking and laughing) Payne/ I'm going to put it on my calendar! I'm not out of town that day, but I don't ... that I know of at this point in time. Dickens/ Well just call (both talking) Mims/ Call me if you need a substitute. Payne/ The last time I actually did it on... actually recorded it the day before on the phone so it worked fine, so that's... Karr/ Uh huh. Okay. Hayek/ October 24th supposed to be on there. (several talking) Looking at my phone. Mims/ Um, I would just encourage everybody as they're on KXIC to, um, talk about the upcoming election as much as you ... are comfortable. Yes. Payne/ I actually used that PowerPoint that whoever put together (several talking) Dennis, I used that the last time I was on KXIC to make some points, so thank you for that. Throgmorton/ Are we done with that? Are we done with KXIC? Hayek/ (both talking) ...Mayor's Climate? Throgmorton/ Yeah, IP #8 which is, uh, Brenda's uh, memo about the Mayor's Climate Protection Agreement, and about Climate... providing a Climate Mitigation Update. So I ... I, first of all I wanted to thank Brenda for providing that update. It, uh, you know, clarifies various things that the staff's doing, and that's... that's really excellent. So, very happy about that. I ... I think, if I read correctly, she's, urn ... uh, basically recommending that we invite the Mayor to sign the agreement, and not the ... I mean, it's up ... it's to us to decide I think but ... but, uh... Markus/ Staff s recommending approval. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 26 Throgmorton/ Yeah, yeah, and I certainly would hope we would do that. Markus/ And I would guess that ... unless there's objection, that we could proceed to do that coming out of this meeting. Mims/ Yep! Sounds good to me! Hayek/ Yeah. Throgmorton/ Yeah, excellent. So I'd like to mention one other thing having to do with climate change. Uh, you all probably know of a man named Dr. James Hanson. He's a graduate of the University of Iowa, and in 1988 he spoke to Congress and was the first major scientist to say, `We have a serious problem with regard to climate change.' At least in a public venue. Hayek/ NASA scientist. Throgmorton/ Yeah, and he's a former... former director of NASA's Goddard Institute for space studies and he's currently an adjunct professor at Columbia University, and ... and he's going to be here, speaking, uh, my glasses won't help me here. He's going to be here on Thursday, October 16th from 7:00 to 9:00 P.M. in the main lounge of IMU. Uh, and he wrote a book called The Storms of My Grandchildren which is a very powerful warning of... about what lies in store for us. He's only one person so... but he is a scientist who knows a heck of a lot about this stuff. Mims/ Thanks for the information! Um, I'd like to jump back to IP6. Pending work session topics. I would, if we need to do it this way, I would like to add to that a discussion of late handouts. More and more we've kind of had some discussion of late handouts, they're too late. We just ... we don't have time to look at them, and if they're coming in and we're saying our cut -off is 3:00 on Tuesday, the public is expecting that we are reading those before our meeting, and I ... typically never have time to see them, and I'm hearing more and more of that from Council. So, I'd like to have a discussion of...if we need to do it that way or if we can just decide tonight, however we need to do it, of moving that earlier. Hayek/ ...refresh our memory of the discussion we had a few weeks or months ago on late handouts. What if any direction (both talking) Karr/ ...and I'm sure Eleanor can jump in. My recollection was ... it was two -fold. One, is your desire to go paperless and get them electronically and what that magic time, that deadline is. And it was at that time agreed to 3:00. And then the realization that if an item comes in after that point, you would get it hard copy if it was going to be talked about that evening. If it was time - sensitive. If it was an item on your agenda we could just simply not ... not give it to you. Okay? So just to make those distinctions. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 27 Mims/ So, is this something we could de ... discuss and decide tonight? Since it's our own procedures. Karr/ Yeah, I don't think (several talking) Mims/ Okay. Hayek/ It's on my notes as well, and in fact today I couldn't even get the late handout, either on drop -box or the, you know, the regular link and I ... I think we need ... I ... I agree. I think we need to have a cutoff date. I think that needs to be communicated somehow to those who would submit materials to us. It's unfair to the public and to us, and to staff, to be running around and invariably somebody misses something, urn ... and we've just ... we've gotta move up our deadline date it seems to me. Throgmorton/ Yeah, I agree. Hayek/ Now I ... I don't know what we do with ... you know, late arrive ... I don't know that we can pick which late arrivals go before the... Karr/ I think the only distinction we have is if it ... that we have exercised in the past is that if it is not an agenda item. In other words, if it is not timely or can wait... Hayek/ But ... it would seem to me that much of the late submissions we receive are on agendas for that evening. That's when people start paying attention (both talking) they send (both talking) Karr/ ...the one thing answers the other one, I mean, I think your major issue is the agenda items. Dilkes/ Yeah. I mean, I have some hesitancy on some issues to just ... not take it. I mean, for ex ... for example, urn ... the deadline to, um, protest a rezoning is before the close of the public hearing. I mean, I ... we gotta have that. Payne/ But obviously they're not expecting us to read it, because they're not giving it to us in ... well, if we're in a meeting we're not reading anything, you know. But ... if somebody gives you something at 2:55, how can they expect that we're going to read it and have (both talking) Dilkes/ I ... I get ... I get that, I'm just ... I, you know, I have a little hesita ... hesitancy about ... you proceeding on an issue without an important piece of information (both talking) Dobyns/ But can't they (both talking) if it's on the agenda, I mean, let's say we made it 5:00 on Monday. If they got in some relevant material to, uh, Tuesday night agenda, couldn't the expectation then be, you know, this is too late for us to really expect all of us to read it, in fairness. Dilkes/ Yeah. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 28 Dobyns/ But of course, you know, present it publicly. Dilkes/ Sure. Dobyns/ And you can distribute it at the meeting for us to read. Dilkes/ I mean you're just going to have to be very, very clear about that. And I don't... Karr/ I think ... let me just clarify. In ... In Eleanor's example when you had a public hearing and you have till the close of the public hearing, you would still get that. You wouldn't ...let's just say you ... you moved your deadline to 10:00 Tuesday morning. So the ... a petition of...of a ... uh, a petition came in that ... we would not then distribute it electronically past 10:00, but you would have it before you hard copy that evening. Dilkes/ But what they're saying is they don't want to have it before them hard copy. Karr/ Well... Dobyns/ (several talking) Dilkes/ ...that's what I understand what you're saying is you don't want to take things hard copy... Karr/ No, I think ... I ... I think, again, two things. One, you don't want to get electronically as late, the materials as late as you are is one issue. The other one is the hard copy. Mims/ I guess my thought would be ... that we move to maybe a 3:00 Monday deadline. That at least, one I wouldn't say 5:00 because at least 3:00 that gives Marian's staff time to try and get stuff out to us, and maybe she would say even earlier than 3:00, in order to get it out before they get done work, so we could have it Monday night to look at. Throgmorton/ And by that you mean late handouts of electronic material. Mims/ Yeah, of...of electronic... Throgmorton/ But other material could still be submitted in writing... Mims/ Well, let me ... let me finish. What I would say is ... is a 3:00 deadline on Monday for late handouts, and I would say that's only stuff that is pertinent to the next day's meeting. And anything that comes in after 3:00 on Monday ... I think we force `em to come to the podium and present it to us! Throgmorton/ I can't agree with that. I ... I think we should not do anything to inhibit the public's ability to try to influence our thinking or actions with regard to any topic (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 29 Payne/ ...if they're giving us a piece of paper that we got while we're sitting right here, are you reading it before the meeting? Throgmorton/ No, but that's... Payne/ So it would be better for them to come and present it! Throgmorton/ Well I agree, I mean I think it would be good for them to come and present it (both talking) Dilkes/ Why don't you put it on an agenda and we can talk about it. Now you're talking about the public and being disadvantaged and yadda, yadda, so... Throgmorton/ Yeah. Dilkes/ ...let's put it on an agenda. Karr/ Can we ... do you want ... both items talked at...at the meeting, or can we agree... probably we should keep both of `em together. (several responding) Mims/ All right. Hayek/ There's gotta be a better way. We'll figure it out. Okay. Throgmorton/ You optimist, you! (laughs) Hayek/ Well we've sort of been jumping all around here. Are we done with the October 2nd Info Packet? Payne/ But I have a quick comment on IP 13. That's the, uh, traffic calming on Highland Avenue. Um ... my ... my only comment is, this entire roadway is filled with speed humps or whatever they're called. They're natural! (laughs) They're built into the road, and people still drive fast. I mean, what ... what can you do to stop people from driving so fast except have a stop sign every block? That's my only comment. Throgmorton/ Roadway design. Payne/ Well that was ... I mean, it's already really wide and people park on both sides and... Throgmorton/ That's my point. Hayek/ Okay. Council time. Throgmorton/ Wait, wait, wait! IP #9. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 30 Hayek/ Pardon me! Throgmorton/ Recruitment and hiring outreach, uh, the memo from Karen Jennings. And ... I guess ... just from Karen I guess, right? Yeah, so thanks for ... I want to thank Karen giving us that, but as I read it, I found myself wondering whether, uh, Karen and and ... I'm not sure who else was involved in that, whether they had reached out to particular organizations in the community for advice. And I think in particular of black, the Black Voices Project, and of the Center for Worker Justice. Or whether, you know, they kind of brainstormed and came up with their own ideas. I'm ... I'm not sure. S Markus/ You know they ... in ... in this process, they are ... they created, uh, �j)q7twe a 7whole list of contacts for us to reach out to when these things happe I she's working in those areas trying to make sure that ... that our outreach is better. One of the, and this came about in part because when we had the Diversity Committee, the Diversity Committee recommended a couple of programs, uh, for youth in both the Police Department and Fire Department. We started the one in the Police; we didn't get the kind of reaction that we needed; nd so, uh, the management staff had a conversation with the Chiefs, and wit tefan' nd Karen, and as a result that communication, um, was created that listed a whdl g up of people that we want to have outreach with. So that we can have that dialogue, and so I think we've movin' down that path. Throgmorton/ Uh huh. Okay. Good! Hayek/ Council time. Council Time: Throgmorton/ Uh, I want to mention that the Iowa City Book Festival was held this past weekend. Best I can tell it was a big success. Uh, I had the opportunity of driving two writers, including James Elroy who was the ... who spoke Thursday night and is very well known crime and mystery writer, even though he denies being either one. Wild and crazy guy too but that was really fun doing that and ... and, but the main point is, it seems to have been a very big success and... Hayek/ Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. I ... I read a proclamation at the beginning of it, uh ... luh, in connection with this year's Iowa City's 175th anniversary, um, and it was a really nice event. It was in the, uh, Senate Chambers of the Old Capitol Building, the sun was coming through the window. It was just ... it was gorgeous, and uh, I'll mention it later tonight but, uh, Ron Clark and Jody Hovland from Riverside Theater read some pieces from the 1830s in which the territorial government was talking about and ultimately established, uh, Iowa City as the new seat of government, moving it from Burlington to Iowa City, to be more centrally located. Of course in 1857 it was moved farther west to make Des Moines the central place, but it was a great event. We got a really nice book I'll talk about it tonight at the end of the public meeting. Throgmorton/ Yeah, right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 31 Hayek/ They did a great job! Anything else? Botchway/ So I had a couple things I was going to discuss. Um, one was just the, um, at the last MPOJC meeting, and maybe we already talked about it. Sorry my days and meetings are running together (mumbled) talked to Susan about before this meeting. Um, we had a discussion about, uh, making ... or Jim brought up a point about making a subcommittee as far as the MPOJC in that we were going to go back to our respective Councils and talk about it. I don't know whether or not we're going to, I mean, I was going to put it out as maybe making that a work session agenda item, that we talk about... nominating a City Council Member or two or three to make a subcommittee, or even if we're interested in that. I thought it was a good point, um, I think it would open up the regional discussion that I think we need when we're talking about affordable housing, but I wasn't sure kind of how that process should go. Throgmorton/ This is about having the MPOJC Urbanized Area Policy Board establish a ... a committee... Botchway/ Correct! Throgmorton/ ...to... Botchway/ Subcommittee... Throgmorton/ ...to devel ... recommend, make policy recommendations for the MPO to adopt at a regional scale, right? I mean, that's what I remember. Yeah. Botchway/ Right. Hayek/ On... Throgmorton/ With regard to affordable housing. Hayek/ Oh, okay. Throgmorton/ In response to that, uh, the ... the report that Tracy ... well, you aren't there, Matt, cause you don't go to those meetings anymore! Hayek/ I love it! (laughter) Dickens/ There was some resistance from (several talking) ...discuss it at that level and that's... Botchway/ But the resistance, I mean I think was ... close to a certain extent because everybody was saying, or I think Jill came up and said ... Jill from Coralville said, you know, well, I want to go back to the Councils and talk about it, which I thought was fair, but I wanted to make sure that, you know, next MPOJC meeting or whichever one doesn't get pushed This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 32 back, and at least we have an answer. I'm not necessarily worried about the other committee ... I mean, communities from that standpoint because I'm assuming that they would talk about it since they said they would. Throgmorton/ I agree. Botchway/ But I didn't know what ... we were going to do, or does it need any discussion? Um, you know, cause I'm willing to nominate myself, um, to be a... Dickens/ Second! (laughter and several talking) Mims/ No, I mean I think if it's the will of the MPOJC to do a subcommittee to try and make some progress on this, on a regional basis, then ... let's give it a shot! Throgmorton/ So I think part of what Kingsley's wondering is whether we will go into that meeting saying we support the idea... Mims / Right! Throgmorton/ ...of creating a policy committee. Ralston/ (several talking) I don't know if I'm supposed to speak now or not... Mims/ Go right ahead! Ralston/ ...but I came to the podium. Um, just for clarification too. I think ... I think all of this discussion was accurate. There was the request for the MPO Board to put a little bit more information in the Affordable Housing Update and it was (several talking) specific... specifically it was Clear Creek/Amana free and reduced lunch data, which we'll be adding and probably won't have in the Affordable Housing Document until January, and I think what the ... the Board wanted to do, if I ... if my recollection serves me, is that Jill Dodds with Coralville, I think, specifically said, you said, can we just wait until January, have all the data available, and then look at the ... and then look at forming a subcommittee. It doesn't mean, you know, of course that you couldn't nominate someone now, but I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that (several responding) Dickens/ The temperature of this Council is I think we want to do that. Ralston/ There's no hurry, I guess, was my point. So, thank you! Dobyns/ No, I think it's a good idea because... everything else hasn't worked. Individual discussions by City Council hasn't worked, and then when you get collective meetings at MPOJC it doesn't work. So I think this is probably the next step, is a smaller meeting, but you know inter jurisdictional. So, good luck! (laughter) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 33 Botchway/ Well, all right, that's the first thing. Uh, the second question I had was, what are we doing about multi- residential recycling? And whether or not we can have that as a work session discussion. Hayek/ It's on the list I (both talking) Markus/ We ... we've had, uh, extensive discussions about that internally, and I think the position of the staff at this point is we want to work through this, um ... issue of Fiberight and where that all stands before we go down this path of multi - residential recycling, in ... in part because it's a ... pretty, um ... uh, major investment, both in personnel and capital to go down that path, and then have it altered, if in fact Fiberight has some potential or some alternative to a Fiberight -type operation has some potential, um, to consider... so, we're still monitoring the Marion, um, and what's the name of the community with the, uh... the ... Blairstown, uh ... um, ethanol plant, uh, process to see how that shakes out. We've kind of taken the position it's okay to be number two in this particular case. Um, but we haven't, um, we haven't decided anything in that regard but I think it's premature to go down a path and start rein... investment in that kind of a process until we've fleshed out if there is a real alternative available to us, which would likely end up with a lot more recyclable material, and would include the, um, commercial areas and the, uh, multi- family areas as, uh, contemplated initially in the discussions with Fiberight. Hayek/ And it's on the list, the pending list. Throgmorton/ Could I bring up one other Council time thing? I've been invited to walk around the Peninsula Neighborhood with neighbors on the 14th of...of this month, and I know they're going to urge me to do what I can to get that secondary access road built. So I ... I wonder, Tom, if you could have the right staff person send me something to, you know a brief statement about where things currently stand. Markus/ Yeah, we can do that. Throgmorton/ ...with regard to that. Botchway/ Send it to me too, cause I'm interested, cause that's a really nice neighborhood. (mumbled) gone back that far, so I'm interested in knowing. Markus/ We have entertained... Jeff Davidson's in the audience. He'll appreciate this. Multiple, um, developer potentials, uh, on the what I refer to as the Cole property, which is the connective property between Dubuque and the Peninsula, actually the Mackinaw development, which would then connect the Peninsula for that alt... alternate road. Urn... multiple developer proposals, and uh, to the point where certain members of the Cole family have designated seats in the conference room. Um (laughter) we've met so many times. Throgmorton/ Do they have their names on... in plagues? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 34 Markus/ Yeah, um... and... and while we think that there's a real potential there, um, to get something going in maybe not the too distant future, one of the things I'll caution you about is that... developers are going to want to develop that property that makes the most use of the property, with the alignment of the road, and for us to go in there and do a temporary road. I think we were talking... millions to do some sort of temporary pass through there. So what we'd like to do is have at least the alignment established consistent with a future development proposal so that we don't duplicate the expenses of that process. We've communicated that back, um ... to the spokespeople for that neighborhood, um, I think they are ... as much up to speed as we can make them, and I think they are supportive of that kind of approach to it. Uh, it's on our radar, way up, and we continue to push that issue. Actually all you have to do is get `em to the north -south street, which is, um... Throgmorton/ Macki ... Mackinaw? Markus/ Yeah. Yeah. And, you don't have to get `em all the way out to Du ... Dubuque, to get `em around the flooded section of Foster Road. So ... we're looking at that very hard, and ... and we could actually do a fairly small section, once we determine what the alignment is, and actually have an emergency route for them, so that we could keep access to their property when Foster floods. So... Dobyns/ What would that look like, Tom? Would it look like, uh, the Foster Road between Dubuque and Prairie du Chien, where it's all platted out but there's just not a road there? Markus/ Yeah, it... it could technically be a paper road to begin with, with some sort of, you know, rock surface on an interim basis, you know, for emergency purposes only. Or it may, if we can actually get some development initiatives going there, be hard surface road for a period of time, and then connected to some of the existing road network that's already up there in the mobile home area, and then that runs down to ... I'm sorry, I really didn't get the name of the north -south route, Jeff. (several talking) It's at Laura, okay. Davidson/ Yeah, Laura Drive. I thought you were at the other end of the road. (both talking) Laura Drive, by the trailer park. Markus/ So, again, the spokespeople know that, but we will summarize it. Throgmorton/ Great, thanks! Markus/ Probably better than I did! Hayek/ Anything else? Meeting schedule. Meeting Schedule: Payne/ I, uh, am going to be in Effingham, Illinois, two weeks from tonight. (laughter) That's really the name of the town. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 35 Throgmorton/ What's up ... what's up in Effingham? Payne/ I'm going to a (several talking) FEMSA meeting. Dickens/ I will be close to 5:00. Karr/ You wish to participate electronically? Or do you... Payne/ Yes. And I ... yeah, we need to figure out if it's me or... Karr/ Yeah, we'll run some tests. Yep, okay. Dickens/ I'll be close. I'm coming back from Chicago at a succession planning. I'm trying to figure out how to get ... my father to buy me out (laughter) Karr/ So you... (several talking and laughing) Dobyns/ (several talking) ...cause it's going to be hard for me to get in by 5:00 too. I'm on inpatient so... Hayek/ On the ... on the 21St9 Dobyns/ Yes. Karr/ Do we want to... Dobyns/ 5:30? Karr/ Do you want to... Hayek/ Well it depends a little. Are we taking up (several talking) Dobyns/ Yeah, cause I... Karr/ Well but... Dobyns/ If we're going to be doing Court/Linn ... then it's got to be 5:00. Dickens/ 5:00. I'll... Dobyns/ (mumbled) Dickens/ I'll leave without knowing the final answer (laughs) Karr/ Why don't we... (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 36 Dilkes/ ...non - committal on Court/Linn. Dobyns/ Okay. Hayek/ Understood. Markus/ We can just move that. Karr / Why don't we ... we can talk about it. Let's take a look at the agenda and we can talk about it. Hayek/ Okay, but we'll stick with 5:00. Karr/ We'll stick with 5:00, knowing that, but we'll get back. (several talking) Pending Work Session topics (IP #6 Info Packet of 10/2): Hayek/ Pending work session topics. Talked about that a little bit but that's ... pretty healthy list. Upcoming Community Events / Council Invitations: Hayek/ Upcoming events. Throgmorton/ I plan to do the Run for the Schools on the 19th. Anybody want to join me? Dickens/ I'll watch! Payne/ Is it early in the morning? Throgmorton/ Yeah. (laughter) Dobyns/ I'll be there but I don't want to make any promises on... Dickens/ We can stand on the side and cheer! (laughter) Throgmorton/ We could invite Senator Grassley. He seems to run pretty frequently. (several talking) No takers, huh? Dobyns/ I ... I'll be there! I'm ... I'm going between the 5 and the IOK. I just can't commit at this time. (laughter) Dickens/ Can't finalize it, right? Dobyns/ No. No. Payne/ No final answer at this point? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014. October 7, 2014 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 37 Hayek/ Okay! Uh, that's it. Why don't we take a break and we'll see you back at the formal at 7:00. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of October 7, 2014.