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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015-09-15 TranscriptionSeptember 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 1 Council Present: Staff Present: Others Present: Botchway (arrived 5:30), Dickens, Hayek, Mims, Payne, Throgmorton Markus, Fruin, Dilkes, Karr, Ralston, Yapp, Boothroy, Andrew, Schaul, Rackis, Craig, Havel, Moran, Rummels, Bowers, Howard, Spoul Neal (UISG) Questions from Council re: Agenda Items: Hayek/ I want to welcome everyone to the September 15, 2015, work session. First bullet point is questions regarding agenda items. Karr/ (mumbled) that on your regular agenda, uh, the tobacco civil penalties, Items 6, 7, 8, and 9 have all been (noises on mic) processed as final payments, so you will not be holding hearings on those. 10 and 11 are the only ones you need. Hayek/ So what we will do on, um, 6, 7, 8, and 9 is I'll tee up a motion to adopt all of those resolutions, uh, and then put it on the floor that way so we can just do it more efficiently. And then will Andy Chappell be here from the County on the 10 ... on 10 and 11? Karr/ Yes. ITEM 2f(2) Ricardo Cortez: Pedestrian Risk on Dubuque Street Dobyns/ 2F(2), um, the blinking lights on Dubuque, um ... um .... I can't remember what we ... you got it, good! (several talking and laughing) Hayek/ You've been waiting to say that, haven't you? (laughs) Dobyns/ Um, what ... what did we ultimately decide for the Gateway projects for that crosswalk, cause I ... I seem to recall some discussion. There were blinking lights on Benton, uh, near the Roosevelt Education Center and I'm not sure they worked very well. Is there somebody... Markus/ Kent, can you, uh (both talking) address that? Payne/ I don't think that ... I think we opted not to do the blinking lights. Dobyns/ I think we did and I thought it was based on what happened at Benton or what didn't happen at Benton, but... Ralston/ Yeah, Kent Ralston, Transportation Planner. I remember the discussion, but I don't know that I can answer that question without going back and looking. I remember the discussion revolved around possibly having... and... and my recollection was a radar This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 2 feedback sign that would actually tell you what your speed was, um, but I can't remember if we decided to put one in or not. Payne/ And we were going to reduce the speed prior to that on the north side ... sorry, on the north side of it. Ralston/ That is ... that is correct. Right around Foster Road is ... is my recollection. Hayek/ (mumbled) Yapp/ Uh, for the blinking lights on Benton, we did test, uh, what are called in -pavement flashing lights at the crosswalk on Benton Street near Roosevelt School. Uh, tested it over a period of months and did some before and after observations. Uh, and found that most elementary school kids and, uh, college-age, uh., men and women did not use it. Uh, they either crossed without activating the lights or activated the lights, but waited until they stopped blinking to cross. Uh, and actually ended up removing those, uh, at the request of the principal of Roosevelt, at the time. Dobyns/ Nicole, any rebuttal? (laughs) Neal/ I mean students... generally follow the light signals, but I mean ... we're human, we're busy, we're trying to get places and ... things happen! (laughter) Throgmorton/ So 2f(2) seems to be a hot topic. I was going to bring it up also with regard to the pedestrian crosswalks on Market Street and Jefferson Street, which we brought up before, but I'm very conscious that bicyclists don't know ... not all bi... bicyclists know whether to stop and not all drivers know to stop, even though there's that little sign saying 'State law requires you to stop.' Uh, I think those crosswalks need to be marked better, more clearly, more definitively. I've seen an accident there. I've personally witnessed thr... uh, a third car slam into the rear of a second car as a pedestrian was trying to wa... cross the walk on Jefferson Street ... at Linn Street. So ... (laughs) ... but it's just not marked well. Payne/ Can't disagree with ya! (laughs) Throgmorton/ So I ... I would hope ... that we would agree that the staff should really, uh... take that seriously. Payne/ The...the item was specifically about what we were going to do on Dubuque Street though, wasn't it? I mean that's what the letter was about. Hayek/ Yeah, I mean, it's a ... (both talking) ...referring to another area of town. Payne/ ...I thought we were going to address that in the ... in the project. Hayek/ Well why don't you let Kent go back and review what was discussed and decided. (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 3 Markus/ We would be glad to take it back and take a review of it and come back with a report. Dobyns/ (mumbled) Markus/ If that's ... if that's the consensus the Council wants (several talking) Hayek/ Just to remind us what ... (both talking) ITEM 2d(4) SECTION 8 COORDINATOR POSITION - RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED POSITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIVISION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT BY INCREASING THE POSITION OF SECTION 8 COORDINATOR FROM .94FTE TO LOFTE. Payne/ ...we decided. I have a question on 2d(4), and it's probably more of a comment than a question. It's the Section 8 Coordinator position. The very first section (coughing, unable to hear speaker) says, 'In this budget year the Coordinator position was staffed at 75 hours per week.' That means per pay period, doesn't it? Markus/ Yeah. (several talking) 75% (both talking) Karr/ (mumbled) (not on mic) Throgmorton/ I wondered about that! (laughs) Payne/ Okay. Markus/ It was ... it was supposed to be a percent I think instead of... ITEM 2e(1) UNIVERCITY SALE, 1104 EAST BURLINGTON - RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING FOR OCTOBER 6, 2015, ON A PROPOSAL TO CONVEY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED AT 1104 EAST BURLINGTON STREET. Payne/ But ... 75% is what they were. Okay! I also have a comment on 2e(1), which is a UniverCity sale. I have to make my comment (laughter) that $199,600 is too much money for an income -eligible buyer. It's ridiculous! You wanna (mumbled), Dobyns? (laughter) Dobyns/ No, ma'am! (laughter) Hayek/ Don't talk about roundabouts! (laughter) Dobyns/ (mumbled) striking distance of you! (laughs) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 4 Throgmorton/ The primary purpose, of course, is to strength the neighborhoods that are close to the University. So that homeowners could actually, uh, live there. So I take your point. It's ... it's a little bit costly for anything that income -challenged homeowners (both talking) Payne/ And how do they maintain it, and in 20 years are we going to buy it again and fix it back up because they couldn't afford to maintain it? That doesn't help the neighborhood if they can't afford to maintain it. Markus/ Heretofore I think we're close to 50 houses. We have not had that kind of challenge to any great extent in the houses previously sold under this program and they seem to be managing. I think there's a presumption, you know, when they make the initial, uh, evaluation that that's the fixed income, but ... people's incomes grow too and so ... people have grown into the ability to take care of these properties as well. So ... we've had very good success with that program. It's ... it's a unique pro..a unique, uh, program from across the country and I ... and really more the objective is to infuse ownership into what have evolved into rental types of markets and try to stabilize them with some homeownership and ... and quite frankly to that extent, I'd say that this program's been a remarkable success. Payne/ And I think it's a great program. I just think that it's... irresponsible to sell somebody a house for $200,000 that's... income -eligible. Mims/ But I would say this, Michelle. If my ... if my recollection is correct, this can go up to 120% of AMI. Payne/ Which is still only less than $90,000. Mims/ But I would also assume that if these people are getting mortgages, that you know your banks and your credit unions have their standards in terms of meeting, you know, what percentage of their income they can use towards housing. So I would have to believe that they're meeting that. And with interest rates as low as they are, it makes it... Payne/ A little better! Mims/ ...makes it more possible for people to (both talking) Payne/ Right! Mims/ ...go a little bit further than their income, but still ... I mean, even if you make (coughing, difficult to hear speaker) $90,000, you're only talking, and I realize you also have the carrying costs on this, I mean you're talking something that's maybe two, two and a half times their annual income. That's not ... that's not an outrageous amount to spend on a house. Payne/ I guess it's a matter of opinion! (laughs) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 5 Hayek/ But ... but listen, the area's we're looking at, the University -impact area, is marked by higher value housing and it's driven by the rental income that these properties, investment properties, so to get in there and to accomplish this goal is going to involve some (both talking) Payne/ Irresponsibility? Hayek/ ...higher priced homes (laughter) Markus/ Well I ... I think the other part of it is is that when the bank does a financial analysis on these properties, they're looking at the ... the equity that this house brings and is pledged to the, you know, the debt and these houses retain the value substantially, so the bank is making, you know, a determination as well as to how... the... the worth of these properties. So... Payne/ I still think it's irresponsible! (laughs) You're not going to change my mind! (laughs) Markus/ Apparently not! (laughter) Hayek/ Okay, anything else on the agenda? ITEM 2b(2) Library Board of Trustees — July 23 Payne/ I have a question on ... let's see, what is this? It's 2b(2), it's the Library minutes. There's just something in here I don't know what it means and maybe I missed it in ... earlier. It's on the second page ... the one, two, three ... fourth paragraph, it says, "FYI 6, NOBU budget." What's NOBU mean? Markus/ Susan Craig is here to answer your Library question. Throgmorton/ Yeah, what's that mean? Craig/ So glad I'm here! (laughter) The Library Board controlled funds, we call them non- operating budget and it gets translated down to NO, non-operating, BU, budget. Payne/ Okay. Craig/ So it's a group of funds, the gift funds and enterprise fund, State funds that all get put together that are under the Board's authority. Payne/ Okay. Perfect. Thank you! Throgmorton/ Kinda like NewBo up in Cedar Rapids (laughter) just different! (several talking and laughing) Hayek/ Anything else? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 6 Payne/ Of course, I still have more! Sorry! Parks and Rec... meeting minutes... Hayek/ 2b(3). ITEM 2b(3) Parks and Recreation Commission — July 8 Payne/ 2b(3) and it's on page ... 3 of 6, um, Mercer Park playground. It says ... these playgrounds will either be re ... oh, oh! It says, 'The RFP includes removal of the playgrounds at Mercer. These playgrounds will either be repurposed or replaced. The project will also include the addition of a fiber system surface.' I can't understand from reading that, is the playground going to be put back or not? Moran/ No. We're going to take some pieces out and repurpose them in other parks, some of them will go away because they've lasted... they've used up their usefulness and then a whole new playground system will be installed. Payne/ Okay. That's the part that I didn't get, that it would have a new playgrounds system. Moran/ Right, right. Payne/ Okay. Moran/ Yeah, a brand new will come ... a brand new one will come in. Dobyns/ So we're retiring some of the old equipment in the Park and Rec Department? Moran/ Yes we are! (laughter) Some are older than others! (laughter) Council Appointments: Hayek/ Thanks, Mike! (laughs) Anything else? Okay! Let's move on to Council appointments. I think we just have one ... for CPRB. Mims/ I would recommend that we appoint Donald King. Payne/ I concur. Throgmorton/ It's not fully inconsistent with, uh, the policy that we're either....have just adopted or are on the verge of adopting, but in spirit it seems to me that it is. He was on for four years, uh... um ... a ... another year also. I think a total of five and ... and departed, I don't know, over a year ago I guess for personal reasons, and is applying again. So it doesn't violate the letter of that policy. But it seems to me it violates the spirit. Mims/ I don't think it does. I thought all we were saying was that we weren't ... my recollection of our discussion was that in the past ... we had almost always reappointed and what we were This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 7 saying is we were not going to make that an assumption that we would automatically reappoint. Not that we would not reappoint, but it wasn't going to be an automatic assumption, and also he's been gone off of it for a year, year and a half. Payne/ Right and did ... I mean we have that stuff in our ... that we had this time from Stefanie that talks about the ... the new proposals and it was if you've been off a year you're basically you're... you're eligible again just like you're new. Throgmorton/ Yeah, it's ... the letter of the policy. It's not violating the letter of the policy. Mims/ But I don't think it's violating the spirit either. That's my point. I ... I don't think it's violating the spirit of it at all either. And I think he's the more qualified of the two male applicants. Throgmorton/ Well the way I think of it as potentially violating the spirit is the spirit of the ... of the policy is to increase the likelihood that the boards and commissions will be more diverse, uh, than they curr... have been historically. That is what I take to be the spirit. Mims/ And I would say the two males that we have applying are both white, so ... I ... so ... I don't see how it's violating the spirit anyways and then when you take the specific case, when you've got two white males, it certainly is not violating that, in my opinion. Hayek/ Well and I ... I think it's one of our most diverse, um, commissions. Dickens/ And I think he can jump right in, having been on that. The learning curve isn't there. He'll have a good idea what he's doing as soon as he starts. Um, he won't miss a beat. Dobyns/ (mumbled) who were you thinking of, Jim? Throgmorton/ I ... I was thinking of readvertising. Hayek/ Well, but ... but to do that, see we adopted the State rule on ... on, uh, on gender balance to our boards and commissions and my understanding is that for us not to appoint, um, one of these two males would req ... would basically require us to conclude that neither is qualified. And I ... suspect both (both talking) Throgmorton/ ...I would not say that about, uh, the applicants, so if that's the case... Hayek/ Is that right? Dilkes/ I think that's ... I mean I think generally, yes. Hayek/ So... Dobyns/ Jim, were you just thinking a larger pool? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 8 Throgmorton/ Uh, yeah ... yeah. Dickens/ And it's been advertised, what, over... Hayek/ (several talking) We pushed it back once (several talking) Karr/ This is the second time. Throgmorton/ Oh (several talking) Mims/ We already pushed it back once, so... Hayek/ (mumbled) do just that, open it up (several talking) Dobyns/ Well I ... I agree, I like to see a wider grouping, but I guess ... if we are held to making a decision today and if we don't make a decision we're suggesting they're not qualified, I don't know ... (several talking) Throgrnorton/ And if it's true, and I assume it is, that we have already extended this (several talking) then ... okay. Mims/ No, I ... I actually encouraged us to extend it last time, hoping we would get a more diverse pool, which we did not. And to Matt's point, I do think this is probably our most diverse board or commission, with two out of the five on there are people of color. Dobyns/ I think we're stuck, Jim. Hayek/ Okay, is there ... sounds like a consensus for King. (several responding) Okay. I think that was the only one we had, right? Throgmorton/ Only one I know of! Hayek/ Okay. Okay, let's move on to the next bullet point, 136 S. Dubuque Street property update. 136 S. Dubuque Street Property Update: Markus/ So we're going to, um ... uh, have a report from Geoff Fruin. We do have some guests here this evening and I'll just have 'em raise their hands. David Conrad who's the Assistant VP of Economic Development for the University; uh, Mark Nolte from, uh, ICAD. He's our Executive Director. Uh, Susan Craig who is kinda the quasi -landlord of the Wedge space, uh, which is immediately west of the Library. Uh, and Nancy Bird, who is here from the Iowa, uh, Downtown District, the Iowa City Downtown District. So we're gonna have Geoff walk through this program and answer any questions you might have. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 9 Fruin/ Good evening, I'm going to just ... I'm not (mumbled) (several talking) Hayek/ Geoff's mic's not working. He'll use Tom's, I guess. Fruin/ Okay, good evening! Try that again, uh, really excited, uh, to be here tonight to talk to you about the ... the proposal that we have in front of you. Um, I'm not going to talk a lot about the operational details. I'm going to leave that up to ... to David and Mark to explain their vision, uh, for the property. Um, but I want to just give you a little bit of background, and it was included in the memo, but I think it's worth, um, just walking you through how we got to ... to where we are today. So, uh... about this time, uh, last year in ... in, uh, in October, um, we came to you and asked that you release the Wedge from their lease obligations. At that time the lease ... the Wedge had two years remaining, uh, approximately two years remaining on their lease in that space, um, but were not able to meet the ... the financial obligations, um, at least that was their representation to us and for a variety of reasons we recommended to you that we release them of the obligations, which you all agreed to do and was done on November 1St of...of, uh, that year ... of...of 2014. Um, we began to, uh, think about how we would reuse that space. We didn't have any ... any plans for the space at the time. Um, and quite frankly weren't really prepared, uh, to ... to go out and ... and seek users. And as I mentioned in the lease, or in the memo, what became readily apparent to us is that there was plenty of restaurant demand for this space. There were folks ready to ... to move right in and assume the same lease terms, um, and ... certainly if it was, um, our intention to ... to fill that bottom line number, the lease amount, we could have done that pretty quickly with another restaurant. For a variety of reasons, a couple of which I mentioned in the memo, we decided to explore alternative uses. I think the biggest driver of that was to really, um, try to further our goal of diversifying the different uses downtown. Um, there's plenty of spaces that restaurants are in and there's plenty of spaces that restaurants can go in downtown. We didn't feel like utilizing our space for that purpose was really going to further our goal of...of strengthening the downtown core with other uses. So that left us looking at retail options and it left us looking, uh, for office -type uses and as I mentioned, um, I felt that there was some complications on the retail front. I think it was highly unlikely that we would find someone to come in and take that whole space at that lease rate, um, that whole ground floor space and to subdivide the space would have been a pretty significant cost to the City, and I think it would have produced some .... some units that, um, weren't necessarily, uh, the best retail, um, storefronts that could be created, and that's because the storefronts that we could have created if we subdivided that space, um, would be facing the playground, and obviously the pedestrian traffic of the mall, um, would behind the playground. Storefront windows wouldn't be very accessible, and ... and so, um, we wrote off that option pretty early. That led us to the office, um, to explore office uses and we've been having conversations with the University and ... and ICAD for several months about this, uh, partnership. There was a little bit of information in ... in the memo, but um ... real quickly I just ... I want to express a little bit, um ... uh, of...of why we think this is going to be a very, very good use for ... for the City. Um, we jumped in support of the Co - Lab, uh, three or four years ago when they were first getting started, and at that time it was ... it was an unknown whether it would take off. It was a ... it was a, certainly a risk for ICAD and it was a risk for the City to ... to invest in ... in something of that nature. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 10 And ... and because of, uh, the work of Mark and ... and his staff and the community support that they've received, the ... the Co -Lab, uh, has been incredibly, incredibly successful. Um, they've spun off two other, uh, Co -Labs, one in Coralville and one in North Liberty, and Mark will tell you the one in Iowa City here can't meet all the demands that it has. And so, uh, we really have an opportunity to work with them, uh, to continue to grow what they're doing, um, but to grow it in a way that, um, will ... will involve the community and will involve the University, um, I think to everyone's benefit. So, when we look at your strategic plan and we focus on that... those... those two objectives that I mentioned, the strong urban core. We think that that ... that this is going to ... to really help with that. We think about strategic economic development, uh, strategies. Um, here we have an opportunity to partner with the University, to partner with the, uh, with ICAD, and to really grow, um, young businesses in the entrepreneurial ecosystem here in Iowa City that I think will provide long-term value for the City. I did mention in the memo that it is likely when the lease comes before you that it will be subsidized. This will not be a market -rate rent situation and we're working through some of those, um, negotiations right now and how that affects our ICAD contribution, but in order for this to ... to really work and ... and to ... to provide the businesses the support that they need, it's going to have to be a subsidized rent. So in the short-term, yes, we will not receive the same financial value that we were getting, or that we would get with a restaurant use, but in the long- term I see it as an investment in ... in ... in the, um, entrepreneurial community here, which will pay dividends well beyond what we could get with a ... with a monthly rent check, um, that we would, um, see from another restaurant use. So with that, I'm going to introduce, uh, Mark and ... and David Conrad and they're gonna come up and talk a little bit about the vision that they have for the space and ... and field any questions that you have. Nolte/ Thanks, Geoff, uh, and I think that ... you know, that sums it up very well and we do appreciate all the support that ... that the City has provided to ICAD and the Co -Lab. It was a big gamble when we started it. Uh, it has been very successful on a lot of fronts, but um, but to Geoff s point, what we're missing is kind of that, uh, ability to grow. We're at capacity, um, and at a market rate environment where we're at, we just can't take on more space. The numbers don't work out, and so when we learned that the University was pursuing this opportunity last year, we were really, uh, interested in learning more about that and uh, to David's point, um, you know, he's ... he's made it, uh, very clear the University wants to lower the drawbridge and start to do more to blur the line between town and gown, and uh, I think they ... he really means it, and so what we see with this space is an opportunity to ... to merge, and I love the name that, uh, has been put forward, but merge these concepts. What more can we be doing to ... to grow the private sector, at the same time to grow more technology out of the University, but do it together. We're both doing many of the same things. Why not do them in tandem? And then you take it to the next step: well how does this make sense for downtown and the Library? We've entered a period where young people are going to have to be more mindful about creating their own opportunities. The nature of our economy has changed and that's what we're trying to do with growing this entrepreneurial ecosystem. How do we give young people especially the tools to create their own profession moving forward, and a lot of it's going to rely on, um, you know, the tools you're all using, you know, anyone with a laptop can This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 11 be the next Bill Gates, uh, but we've gotta start, you know .... my ... I'll get out my soap box. We're not doing enough at our public schools right now to teach, um, those tools. That's.,. that's just my belief, right, and until .... until we can get to that level where every kid of every socio-economic level, um, has the opportunity to do that, um, I don't think we're going to move the dial, but I see us being in the living room of the ... of the community in this space, where kids are playing on that playground, looking in the window and seeing what these people are doing to create jobs. I think that will start to make the connection of 'I can create my future if I learn this new language,' you know, some of these coding skills. If I learn how to operate that 3-D printer and some of the other things that will be there, and how does that augment with the Library's doing, and work in tandem with the Library to create kind of a continuum of curriculum that we can do ... go from basic education through mentoring, entre ... you know, apprenticeships, up through creating their own businesses and really, uh, work both with, um, the Vice President of Research and Economic Development office, but JPEC, you know, the student entrepreneurs and bring those all together and ... and provide cohesive, um, service mix, but then also layer on top of that the Convention and Visitors Bureau's interest in having a presence in there. Uh, the Downtown District, uh, the Chamber, uh, Diversity Focus (mumbled) other partners are open to ... uh, and the Entrepreneurial Development Center, how can they be part of this space too and really, um, make it that ... that merged space where if you are interested in creating something new and you've got a vision, we're going to put the people around you to help make that happen. So, that's really ... but space matters, right? It ... it takes more space than we have right now. Uh, we need to be programming this in different ways from what we can possibly do with the existing Co - Lab, and so, um, we're really, you know ... I think it's going to be a tremendous opportunity, right there in the heart of downtown for people to see and interact in different ways and grow new companies, uh, and that will ... will then spur more ... you know everyone thinks Meta Communications popped up overnight. You know, they don't realize that that was a 15 -year process to get them where they're occupying three floors downtown, but ... uh, we need to grow that funnel. Get more of those companies started to grow more of those success stories, and then really work to connect those people to the community, uh, at a ... at a real level so that they ... we're not incubating companies that then go off somewhere else, and I think that's where the partnerships with some of the other organizations will be very meaningful in that way. So, uh, we're very excited to be part of this, uh, and work very closely with the University. Um, obviously it's ... it's your space, um, but we would like to look at all opportunities to work in there and grow this concept with you, so ... with that I'll turn it over to David. Hayek/ Welcome, David! Thanks, Mark! Conrad/ I think Mark gave a pretty good description of what the vision is, but I'll say a couple more things. One is that for the University to do economic development, we have to have the private sector involved. Because we may have some ideas on products or even companies, but we really don't have the skills within a university to turn them into a business. So ever since I've been here I've been excited about the fact that ... we can open the University up a little bit, so that it's a little more porous to partners on the outside and people in the private sector, because if...if a student or a faculty member tries to start a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 12 company, the first thing they run into is that they don't know much about business. And it's difficult to find that within the University because people, successful entrepreneurs, they don't ... not all of them even go to the University and sometimes they drop out after their first year if they're very successful. So, the opportunity to work with ICAD and with the City to bring people... from the outside who have those kind of skills together with the idea people. The innovators with the entrepreneurs. It's pretty exciting! It's actually the most exciting thing I've seen since I've been here, and I've been here almost two years. So, I think, uh, in addition to coding and people learning computer skills there, uh, I'm trying to get money from the State to pay for a workshop, uh, where people can use tools like 3-D printers and CNC machines to work on prototypes, uh, devices. So we have lots of people from the Hospital, faculty and students, who want to make tools, but they don't have an easy way to fabricate something and they don't have the skills to produce a tangible tool that they can use in the OR easily. It would be great to have biomedical engineers, uh, computer scientists, hackers from the community, young people from the Library — all forming a team to try to produce something like that and ultimately start a business around it. So ... we lose a lot of people because it's hard for them to come up with those kind of resources here. Lots of the medical device people end up going to Minneapolis where there's a real medical device industry set up there, but we don't have to lose all those if we bring some of these resources, so ... if the space turns out the way I'd like to see it, and I think Mark would agree, it'll be a very public space. Uh, it will probably have more people from the community in it than it will University. I think the biggest challenge is going to be how you get introverted engineers and scientists from the University to want to hang out in a ... a very public space, but ... I think it'll be vibrant. I think there'll be people there, hopefully all day and night, and a lot of activity going on around, peer-to-peer learning, uh, sort of fab lab maker space, high tech, and start up companies and entrepreneurship, and I don't think many areas have put those groups together. There's certainly places that ... like the Co -Lab where you have start up companies and there are maker spaces and hacker spaces where you have the technical people that are coding, but putting... designers from studio arts or humanities together with engineers... entrepreneurs, computer scientists, all under one roof ..in that kind of collaborative environment ... I don't think there's many places that have done that. So I ... I think it'll be ... good things will happen when those people mix. So ... I think we'll ... we'll answer any questions you might have. Throgmorton/ I ... I'd like to follow up with a question having to do with connecting with the community. Uh, and I'm going to express a value, as well. The question's basically this — how do you picture connecting with, uh, the African American and Latino parts of our community, uh, many of whom are low-income, lower income anyhow. Uh, it seems to me that it's really important to be able ... to institute... ways of connecting with that popu... those populations. So, I'm ... I'm wondering what you all have in mind about that. Nolte/ I think that's where you start with things like the hacker-thons, the maker ... space concepts. We were approached today about, uh... a group that wants... apparently it's about 125 different video game developers in the area that want to have a place where they can have events and things like that. All these would be open to the public. You gotta capture ... you know, you gotta capture people's imagination, right? We don't have a space This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 13 right now that does that, that invites you in and says 'try this!' 'Here's someone that's gonna help you do that.' So I ... I guess this goes back to my broader comment about, I don't think we're offering everything we need to in the public schools, right? If I ... I can be frank, if you look at software coding, um, by and large it's the domain of white, middle class males. That's gotta change, right? We gotta get that to where every kid, uh, has access to these opportunities to do that, and I think by doing this downtown, it's gonna ... it's getting, more kids are going to see that as they're in the ped mall. They're gonna want to do that, and that's gonna put good pressure on our school system to add that to the curriculum and really reshape, uh, some of the pedagogy right now. Conrad/ I think that's an excellent point, and it's not just minorities. Uh, one of the big challenges is how do you get women to feel comfortable in that kind of space, that's... that's been so, in the past, male dominated around robotics and around video games that involve blowing up things (mumbled) my sons like to do on video, but... there are also ... there are a lot of women that are very interested in coding, if they can see an application whereby they can help people. So you have people in the medical school, you have women who say, 'I'd like to write an app if it can help diagnose cancer,' but just coding for the sake of coding for a game is not as interesting to many students as seeing the reason. People get really excited when they think they're making a difference. Uh, I think we had a hackathon in that space earlier and we did have people, um, not just white males show up. We had a big diversity of people, actually from all over the world, and they got along very well because there's no cost or ... or very minimal (laughs) and you ... you do feel part of a community. So it will be important to build an inclusive community that ... for African Americans, for women, for ... I ... I think it's traditionally been a young, white male game dominated type group and we ... we've put a lot of thought into what the space will have to look like, how safe it'll be in the evenings, and ... and do people feel welcome and safe in that environment. So we have a group of people now studying just that, that'll be making some recommendations but ... uh, it ... I think I have this video where I say if it's just for guys, then it's a failure. You have to have inclusion. It's part of a way to bring more diversity to the ped mall, quite honestly. If it ... if it works the way we're intending, they'll be ... there'll be a space for a different group of people in ... on the ped mall. So we need to ... to keep your point in mind, it's a very good one. Mims/ I would just (mumbled) I would just say ... for me some of this conversation started on our trip to Omaha. I can't even remember now when we went down there. July? August? I mean, back in the early summer, spring. Hayek/ Uh huh. Mims/ Um, we drove to Omaha. Chamber of Commerce took people down and Mark and I, I think, spent probably at least two of the four hours driving to Omaha talking about coding schools (laughs) and ... if there's anybody who is passionate about bringing these opportunities to everybody, regardless of socio-economic background, ethnicity, whatever — it's Mark, and I know that from the conversations that we had, and we shared those values and talked about, you know, how do we do this? How do we get it away from, as David said, the ... the typical white, young males that ... that have dominated this, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 14 and so, um, we ... we had a lot of conversations on the trip down. We met with people with the coding schools down there. We talked again about it at EntreFest when you guys brought people in from Omaha to, you know, to talk about that as well. Um, so I .... certainly look forward to this and, you know, being a part of it from the City and as an in ... as an individual, but, David, I don't know you. Mark, we've spent a lot of time talking about it, and I certainly know that Mark's values are there in terms of making sure that this is not just for the young, white males, that we'll really make every effort to make it as inclusive as possible. So I think that's really important and look forward to that. Nolte/ The thing I loved about what Omaha was doing, the woman who came and visited us... Mims/ Uh huh! Nolte/ ...is an African American female (both talking) Mims/ Yep! Nolte/ ...who's leading the coding education in Omaha... Mims/ Yep! Nolte/ ...and somehow we'll figure out a way to steal her! (laughter and several talking) Botchway/ And I'm not sure whether or not this was discussed or not, but you know, as you're thinking ... I know you're talking about downtown and I'm sure the ... the area around the, um, Robert E. Lee Rec Center's downtown or incorporated downtown as well, but I mean that could be a great space and we know a lot of, you know, all kinds of kids come there and, um, just ... I guess my ... I guess my issue with it, you know, having ... being in the ped mall and then obviously as you were talking about, Mark, with the, uh, hackathon and that, I knew nothing about it and so from a communication standpoint, and I get a lot of information so it could be that I missed the email, but I got some ... there was a lot of people that just didn't know about it happening and then also from ... um, and that's just communication with the School District as well, you know, there's kids there and trying to figure that out, working that out, but also ... again if we can ... if we can find places where we know kids will be at, um, and you know then we know there's a lot of kids, um, at the Rec Center, um, and ... provide programming and a lot of obviously, um ... not recruitment but um ... advertisement in those areas as well as far as you know even if it's a huge poster on a wall or poster on the front door. You know, have Tom dress up or something along those lines and ... and really advocate it for hours on end, um, whatever we can do to kind of build that capacity and do that, I think would be great work. Nolte/ (mumbled) proximity to the Library and the Rec....and the Rec Center are both going to help tremendously. I mean the ... thing about the Co -Lab now is that no one really walks Court Street. Botchway/ Right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 15 Nolte/ Young kids especially don't walk Court Street. So if you don't know the Co -Lab's there, you don't know it's there! But when people can see it every day, I think that's going to help us tremendously. Throgmorton/ But so isn't the key peer-to-peer kind of connections? I'm thinking about what you just said, Kingsley, and ... and uh, kids who are in ... the Rec Center and so on. If...if someone ... who they recognize as a peer that they trust and so on said, 'Hey, let's go over there ... and check things out.' Then it'd be much more likely to happen than if...you know, if...if they were just some sign on ... on the ... the Dubuque Street building (both talking) Botchway/ ...thinking about what like (mumbled) does, um, there's an engineering, uh... uh, group out of the Engineering School that does a lot with, you know, uh... uh, diverse kids throughout the School District, but a lot of their things focus on transportation, and so they can get people downtown into the Engineering School, but then you know kind of to, uh, Jim's point, I mean, there's a lot of kids that they're leaving out and so, um, because of that then you have, um, some issues come up that, you know, why isn't this opportunity available to everyone and so ... that ... that's what ... I'm just trying to think about things on the front end that, you know, to think about that, you know, would possibly alleviate the problem and add to a more diverse network. Cause that's exciting, I mean coding and everything else you know (mumbled) Conrad/ We've talked about providing transportation too, cause that can be an issue. If there are areas where we could transport people to and from. I think in the afternoon, I would love to have high school kids spend 3:30 to 5:30 and then their parents pick them up there. That ... that's a relatively safe time for them to be on the ped mall and in that space. If there are ways we can provide transportation, that's certainly something we'd both be excited about, because the logistics mainly get difficult for some people just to get there. Parking is ... can be an issue, but if we did public transportation or had a van, then that would make ... make it a lot easier. That's something we've looked at. Nolte/ It's not all coding, you know, but ... and again, teaching those young people the entrepreneurship skills too. I think that's another area that (noises on mic) we can, you know, you look at the ... there's kind of this whole emerging fashion industry going on right now. You look at some of these companies that are popping up now. That's part of that creative process, you know. Uh, we want to ... if it's creative and it's gonna ... it will create opportunity, that's .... you know, what I want kids to say, you know, if they go to the Rec Center, I want them to say, 'I went to that place. They taught me something. They welcomed me in. They treated me with respect and...' Mims/ I want to go back! (laughs) Nolte/ Yeah, and hopefully they take that back to school and say 'Why (mumbled) (several talking) (laughter) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 16 Hayek/ These ... these are all great points. To take it up to the 30,000 -foot level, I think we should recognize the strateg... the ... the importance and ... and the significance of the strategic alliance between the City and ICAD and the U of I's Office of Research and Economic Development, and then the other groups that ... that play supporting roles, whether it's Downtown District or ... or Chamber or otherwise. Um, but ... but those initial triangle pieces, uh, the ... the City, ICAD, and the University, um, form a very strong alliance through this exciting project. Um, and I'm thrilled about the location! I think it's exactly where you want to smash together these various stakeholders with an initiative that unfolds on, you know, the doorstep of the community, in a sense. The living room as somebody put it. You put it ... maybe Geoff put it, um, and I think there's a role for ... for, uh... further collaboration between us, between these groups, uh, downtown, and I ... I think economic development in our downtown area, um, is ... has got to be one of our strategic priorities going forward, um, so this ... this bodes well and I'm excited to see these pieces come together in this ... this collaboration. Throgmorton/ Matt, since we're at the 30,000 -foot level, uh, I ... I'd ... I would hope ... I would say I hope that, uh, connections can ma ... be made with the School District, as well. I think you're right about high school students and being able to draw them, and maybe elementary school students as well, but 3:30 — that's completely viable. I think a lot of City High, West High students take courses at the University late in the afternoon. So things are possible, but I want to bring it down to the ground level, as well, uh, with regard to a different kind of disability. Uh, will the space be fully accessible? (several talking) Basement? Bathrooms, everything ... (several talking) Excellent! Nolte/ And that's been one of the challenges with us finding a bigger space to do this in, you know. Craig/ Elevators aren't cheap to install, so... Throgmorton/ Right. Craig/ ...finding a place that's already ADA compliant (both talking) Throgmorton/ I remember going down those steps when there was a hardware store down there, so... Craig/ There's an interior elevator that's large. Nolte/ Freight size elevator for (mumbled) Throgmorton/ Yeah, excellent! Dickens/ To get the word out maybe you could, uh, work with the Chamber as far as going to all of its members and asking them if they wouldn't be willing to donate advertising or you know ... we always do our windows and everything but we've also .... we've given, uh, live remotes that we didn't use. We gave 'em to the Downtown Association or something This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 17 that ... can get the word out. Uh, social media, I mean ... that's where everybody gets their news anymore. We've gotta really tap into that as well, but I think the Chamber could be very helpful with the businesses, that they could kinda jump on this too. Botchway/ Well to Matt's point about communication, making sure you communicate with the School District cause I know that I am (feedback on mic) I mean (laughter) I've been working on some things as far as gaming, um, is concerned and so I would not want to duplicate those efforts at all, so I'd rather you know something that was here instead of, you know, where ... I think I was looking at Chicago. Some other people already came and done ... did a presentation, but I'd like if it was here in the community, so... Conrad/ That's where we'd be if we get that continuum right. So you get exposure. You learn something but you really want to get deeper, so you come in and there's a company in this space that just needs kind of an apprentice coder and you start to build (mumbled) so we're not duplicating things at certain levels, but we finally figure out as a community how to get that continuum from interest to employment. Information Packets: Hayek/ Okay! Thanks! Appreciate it! (several talking) Staff, thanks for ... for pushing this. Okay! Uh, Info Packet discussions. We have two Info Packets. The first is September 3rd Dobyns/ I want to discuss staff recommendations about, uh, duration on boards and commissions. Um, focusing on ... (mumbled) the big one, Planning and Zoning. My sense is that ... right now it's five years and I think that was the staff recommendation. My thinking is that ... there's a sense that while it takes you some time to get up to speed, well, I would agree with that, but the way I look at it is what if you don't get up to speed? Um, I would suggest that we should recommend three years, uh, for Planning and Zoning and if after three years a person goes, 'Okay! I feel that I've come up to speed. I know what's going on,' um, I think the Council ... in the time I've been on has been very willing to recognize success and people's, uh, skill sets being built on a commission, and rewarding them with a second term. And I think we, you know, (mumbled) what if someone after three years don't quite feel that they get it. Payne/ Then they wouldn't reapply. Dobyns/ Then they wouldn't reapply, but if they have to go five years... Payne/ You can resign. Dobyns/ Okay, well let me finish. Let me finish. You'll get your chance. Um ... I'm just thinking after three years, especially with ... my sense talking with people who are younger than me, which are ... is getting to be a larger portion of the demographic (laughter) um, is that when people want to volunteer, but they don't want to put in the time — the two years, three years, the five years that the rest of us are crazy enough to do, um, Planning and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 18 Zoning doesn't suffer for people who are interested and I would extend this discussion to some of the other boards and commissions, but I really think that we ought to shrink the amount of time, to give a sense of what people who are younger are looking in terms of what ... how they want to volunteer. Botchway/ Well I was going to say to that point, if we are looking at the Planning and Zoning being three years, then I would say we make all of them three years. I mean I ... if, we're getting to the point where we're ... I mean as long as we ... I was on the side of staying with the Planning and Zoning five years just because of what was advocated on Council before as far as it being a huge learning curve and other things, but ... I mean one of the recommendations that was talked about ... um .... I guess this was at the prior meeting, was um ... directing staff to shorten the terms of certain ... or it says certain boards and commissions. Never mind. But ... having consistency across the board, I mean, would be nice. But I ... the only part I disagree with you on is the fact that if we get into the part of then reappointing an individual for a second term, you know, first of all then what would be the criteria that would say that they're doing good, compared to somebody who's doing bad, and then the second part being, that would be ... contradictory to what we're trying to do with the boards and the commissions, as far as making sure that we're having, you know, rotating and ... lot of (both talking) Dobyns/ And I'd guess that with Michelle's comment is that they wouldn't request reappointment, but we'd give them the opportunity to beg off. Payne/ Unless they think they're doing fine. Dobyns/ Right. And then Council will have to weigh in, as is our responsibility. Hayek/ Well I would, uh... I don't know if three's the magic number or not, but ... it may be, but I ... it does not make sense to me to have board and commission terms that exceed Council terms. Um ... I mean, you know, so ... and I would include everybody and ... and, you know, so the ... the, for example the Library and I don't mean to pick on it, but it ... but it says that, you know, they ... they recommend sticking with six years and they point out that that board deals with budget and fiduciary matters and ... and director evaluations and makes, uh, policy and ... and things like that, all true. All things that the Council does, as well, and ... um ... it ... that is ... I mean I ... I personally think it was a mistake for the State to push the School Board, uh, positions from three to four years because it scares people away. It's a longer time commitment. Three is ... it's only a 12 -month difference, but it makes a big difference to people who are thinking about their ... their ability to commit to community causes. And ... um ... six years is a long time. I know there's a lot of interest in those positions, but that also means there's less turnover and ... and P&Z, I ... you know maybe four years is the right number for that. And maybe three, I don't know! But I ... I ... the ... the ... the more I think about it, having board and commission terms that exceed the length of a City Council term is ... doesn't make a lot of sense to me, personally. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 19 Throgmorton/ Well, that particular point doesn't carry too much weight with me, Matt. But uh, but ... uh, you know, there are what... three... one, two, three commissions that are really at stake I think or ... or maybe I can't ... I'm having trouble reading (both talking) Payne/ ...only three years, I mean... Throgmorton/ Well the Board of Appeals thing ... it seems to me that should be three years. So I wasn't persuaded by, uh, comments about it needing to be longer. Uh, the Library staff, uh, I'm pretty compelled by what you said, Matt, with regard to the ... the Library, uh, Board. But I don't know that that ... that doesn't lead me to think three years. It does lead me to think four years. With regard to Planning and Zoning, I think the biggest hindrance toward diversifying that commission is it is enormously time -intensive, relatively speaking compared to other commissions. And ... and ... and combine that with the current time length of appointments, five years of doing that stuff ...over and over again, I mean it's pretty hard doing this. It's pretty hard doing that too and it...it is very time consuming. So I think for ... for anybody who's trying ... trying to work, uh, is ... you know, not wealthy, not retired, not in the business of developing land or selling property, this is a big challenge! (laughs) You know, so... Payne/ And yet we have many people on that commission that have been on there for probably at least three terms. Throgmorton/ That commission? Payne/ Um, of Planning and Zoning Commission. Throgmorton/ You mean in the past or the present (both talking) Payne/ ...currently! Throgmorton/ Who? Payne/ Charlie and Ann. Throgmorton/ Three terms? Payne/ Uh huh. Throgmorton/ Three five-year terms? Payne/ Ann is in her third five-year term. Throgmorton/ Not Charlie. Payne/ I think Charlie... Charlie was on there when I was on there! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 20 Throgmorton/ Can you check that out? Yeah, um ... I ... that ... that's not good. I wouldn't ... I wouldn't support either Ann or Charlie or anybody being on for three five-year terms, uh, sol...I guess the, what I'm trying to get at is I think the term for the Planning and Zoning Commissioners needs to be shorter but not too short because you do have to learn some difficult stuff. So ... uh, and ... and the shorter the term the more likely it is that we can diversify that commission. So I'm inclined to say four years for that term, or for that board, not five and three is not enough, it seems to me. I'm ... that ... that's where I stand on that. Mims/ Given what I've heard people say and as I looked at this and was thinking about it, here's what I would re ... recommend, is that we go with ... the, and I ... I agree with what Matt says, I mean, if commiss... if Council Members have to get up to speed in ... hopefully less than four years, um, you know, I think we need to expect that of our boards and commissions. I would suggest that we take the Library Board, the Planning and Zoning, and the Board of Appeals and go to four years on those, and take Parks and Rec and Community Police Review Board and go to three on those. Payne/ And given that, I have a question about the recommendation that says... however, without consistency, the recommendations will fail to meet intended goal of increasing the diversity of the applicant pool, and does that mean without the ... the three-year term consistency or ... I'm not quite following what consistency that recommendation is referring to. Botchway/ I thought it meant years as a whole (several talking) Karr/ I ... I think what we're looking at is ... again, we talked about (mumbled) and Stefanie and I, uh, spent considerable time on this, is that we don't want the appearance of one board or commission... being any more important, less important, taking more learning curve. When we recommended three, it was based on the fact that that was what the majority of the remaining boards and commissions were. That's when we recommended three. Certainly if we would go to four, it would then match the current Parks and Rec and Community Police Review Board four. Then as we look at diversity and we look at, um, attracting more people to boards and commissions, we want them to be a good fit and to apply, but not to be discouraged by six versus three, or four versus three. So the overall goal is the consistency (noises on mic) Payne/ So just to comment, those commissions that are currently three-year terms... Karr/ Yes! Payne/ ...we have a harder time getting people to apply for those than we do for the Library Board, which is six, and Planning and Zoning, which is five. So ... but I don't think the years, the term of the commiss... of the length of time ... is the deterrent or attractor to someone applying, simply because those people don't have people clamoring for them ... at three years. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 21 Bowers/ And I think what we're saying is is that whatever the ... the years should be consistent between the City boards and commissions. Um, when you look at the equity report and look on page 18, that deals with the demographics of folks that are serving on boards and commissions, I mean I can count'em on ... I think there's about seven as far as people of color. And so we know that some of the causes of inequities are treating people differently and not being consistent. And so (both talking) Payne/ But how ... how is that treating people differently? Because they... everybody has the same opportunity to apply for a boar ... board or commission, and they still have the same... would they're not clamoring to apply for the ones with three-year terms, so why would we think that having a three-year term would entice more people to apply? Bowers/ And I ... and Marian can correct me if, uh, I misinterpreted her opinion, but I think what we were saying is that the ... the boards and commissions just have the same number of years, period. Three was the number because that's the majority of what the boards and commissions are. So I'm not saying three's the magic number, but that ... there is consistency across the boards and commissions, and um, Marian and I actually participated in a webinar yesterday and um, some of the things that cities are doing that, um, are looking and dealing with racial inequities is ... is really trying to do outreach to the community, um, through community partnerships and things of that nature, and from a recruiting standpoint. Um, if you're looking at going around, um, and speaking to groups, it's a lot easier to recruit people and give them, um, the ... the um ... the information that, you know, whether it's the Library Board, the Human Rights Commission, Planning and Zoning, City boards are X, you know, it's X amount of commitment, um, as far as years. Whereas I ... I think ... when boards and commissions have different, um ... terms attached to them, there may be a sense that some hold greater weight and that's a debate for another day, but I ... I also think it ... that some are more visible, um ... and some aren't, and I think that's why you do struggle with, you know, getting folks to ... to apply, because some are just more well known than others. But, um, I just think from an outreach standpoint it's easier to recruit, uh, folks if...if they're all, you know, the same length of time versus having one that is six years, one that's four, and then some that are three. Hayek/ I would probably be okay with a mixture of threes and fours, but ... if we are to stick with the consistent term for everything ... I would be inclined to go with four because you have P&Z, you know, which is a very steep, long learning curve, and to, you know, if the Library's already at six, to go to three would be a fairly drastic change for it. And ... and most of these others are already at four anyway. Karr/ Right, well you go back ... I'm just looking real quickly, uh, Matt (mumbled) is three years. Senior Center is three years. Hayek/ All right. Karr/ Public Art is three years and Telecommunications is three years. So overall, there are fewer at three than there would be at four, given tonight's sentiment — yes. So if This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 22 you ... you could make that argument and we could come back ... we could take a look ... we just have not talk ... so you would be extending by a year... Hayek/ Okay, you'd be moving a number of threes to fours. Karr/ It would be moving about ... four of them, yes. Hayek/ Yeah. Throgmorton/ So a ... another way to think about this is in terms of...total number of...board person years, and reducing... Hayek/ Like dog years? Throgmorton/ ...total number, yeah, reducing the total number of...of board member years. So that ... so that the likelihood that the whole body of board membership will become more diverse because... because there's more turnover (both talking) Karr/ ...over a static period of time, yes. Throgmorton/ Yeah. (several talking) Payne/ And I think it fixes the goal in the short-term, but once the goal is ... I ... I think we need to think more of just than fixing the goal ... fixing the diversity issue in the short-term, and is that the best thing to do in the long-term is to have a three-year term rather than a four- year term? Botchway/ I just ... I just don't ... I guess I don't necessarily understand the comments for having a longer term, I mean I ... I mean, Matt, to your point. You just said the School Board... you... you were just kind of a, uh, taken back by the fact that the legislature had actually increased the, um, School Board (mumbled) and I know that's a separate conversation that we're having, but my point is from a board and commission standpoint, I'm just trying to understand why ... why having a longer term is ... is warranted, and I ... and I get, well, and just to finish the point. I get that ... I still feel there's a problem then if we still have four and three because some are more important. I still feel like we've talked about Planning and Zoning as being the ... the most ... most of our conversation has focused around Planning and Zoning and how steep of a learning curve it is ... I ... I just feel like we're (both talking) Payne/ So why do you think ... I mean I have never ... it has never entered my mind that the length of term of a ... of a board member determines how important that commission is, or even have entered my mind that the Library Board is more important than the Board of Appeals. I mean, I ... that just doesn't make any sense at all to me. Botchway/ Just from our level of discussion. I don't think we've talked about any other boards. We've talked about Planning and Zoning for the majority of our discussion (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 23 Payne/ But I'm just using it as an example (both talking) That's the longest one and ... but that doesn't mean Library Board is more (both talking) Hayek/ No, I don't (both talking) Payne/ ...longer term, I mean that's a... Hayek/ I think it's more an issue of...of...of discouraging people from applying, and when you're looking at a five or six-year term, that's a heck of a lot less attractive to me as Joe Q. Public... Payne/ Which could be true, but the Library Board is one that people clamor for and some of these with three we can't get anybody to apply for. Hayek/ Yeah. Payne/ So I can't see that the ... the, in practice that that is true! Hayek/ To ... to your point, Kingsley. I ... generally speaking I'm okay with three-year terms, but I recognize the issue with P&Z because of...it is a unique board and ... and I ... I suspect it requires more work. There may be some others — Library Board's a lot of work, as well, and Housing Commission can ... can be a lot of work, but P&Z is ... their meeting schedule alone is ... is, uh... Dilkes/ Presumably though they get up to speed faster cause they meet twice a month. (laughter) Hayek/ Yeah, that could be true. We ... we could go with three across the board. Dobyns/ I would suggest that (several talking) we who are making a decision are probably a little bit aberrant, I mean, the fact that we sign up and we're volunteers, and here we are making this decision. I think we need to extrapolate to a more common person in Iowa City who is maybe not willing to jump in with all fours the way we have. Hayek/ Yeah. Karr/ May I ask, is there interest on the part of the majority of Council to reach a consistency in the board and commissions, not what it is, but just a general — is there an interest to do that, not ... not what it is, nail it down right now, but is there any to look at consistency on boards and commission terms? Throgmorton/ Well I don't see an inherent necessity to do that. Karr/ Because I think that's the major (several talking) Hayek/ Wait, you don't see a necessity (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 24 Throgmorton/ I don't, yeah. Mims/ I would agree with you, Jim. I don't either. I ... I don't know that we want to go all the way from three to six, but I don't have a problem with having a couple different... Karr/ Because if there is (both talking) for consistency or a majority of you to do that, we can sit here and talk a long time about (several talking) Hayek/ What if we did this, what if we reached a consensus that the most we want any board to be is X years, or ... (several talking) and maybe it's four (several talking) Payne/ I could agree with that. Hayek/ ...and then have staff take another look at...at the list and maybe come back with a recommendation of...what (both talking) Karr/ All right, with that in mind, I think we can come back then with a different approach, if that is the desire. Hayek/ It ... at least shrinks the difference, you know, but ... it may not get ya to the absolute consistency that ... that (both talking) Payne/ And it still doesn't mean that just because something is four years it's more important than something that's three. (several talking) Botchway/ Just because people are clamoring for that board or commission, even Stefanie said, I mean, it also is because it is more public and so Planning and Zoning is something we do on a regular basis, and so I can see individuals wanting to be more a part of that process, but ... but for the argument that you're saying that individuals clamor for it, I ... I don't see why that's still more important or holds more weight to (both talking) Payne/ It doesn't! Botchway/ ...but you're advocating for more! Payne/ I'm not advocating for more! I'm just saying that it doesn't ... the argument doesn't make sense. That people don't apply because of the derm... cause of the term! Hayek/ So what would you do with this issue? Payne/ Just exactly what we talked about, the three and the four and to have them recommend which ones are three and which ones are four! Dobyns/ (mumbled) on Planning and Zoning, how many of us are more comfortable with three and how many are for four? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 25 Payne/ For Planning and Zoning? Dobyns/ Planning and Zoning. Payne/ I'd go four. Mims/ I'd go four. Throgmorton/ I'd go four. Dickens/ Four. Hayek/ Four. Dobyns/ Three. Botchway/ I go three. Payne/ And for me, having been on that commission (both talking) Hayek/ ...it's a 5-2 vote on the four to three issue (several talking) Payne/ If...if I knew it was three years, I wouldn't even apply for it. Dobyns/ How bout Library, since that's going all the way down from six. That's the biggest drop, um... Payne/ Four. Dobyns/ I'd say three. Botchway/ I'm sticking with three cause of the consistent issue. Hayek/ I don't know, personally. Throgmorton/ I don't know either. Payne/ I would do four. Mims/ I think I would probably change from six to four rather than cutting them in half. Payne/ Yep. Hayek/ But maybe ... but we're going to drive ourselves into a (several talking) if we, uh, if we keep (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 26 Dobyns/ (mumbled) Hayek/ Are we at least in agreement that we want ... we want to have staff come to us with ... (several talking) threes and fours and... Karr/ Okay, we can proceed with recommendations 1 and 2 to change (several talking) and on the, um ... uh (mumbled) redefining and expanding the definition of, um (mumbled) relationships to be consistent? (several responding) That would be a resolution. We can come back with those the next time and take care of that, those two. Hayek/ Okay. Karr/ Because the other ones, whatever's determined, would effect board and commission by- laws and ordinances, and ... and other things (several responding) um ... these can be taken care of (mumbled) Okay. Hayek/ All right. Thank you. Throgmorton/ That was easy! (laughter) Hayek/ And obviously anyone on there now is grandfathered, my presumption (both talking) Karr/ Yes! Yes! And obviously as we talk about this, we're heading into one of our busier times of year for appointments, so the goal at the time we initially did this was to have this in place prior to that. Given that's not going to happen, anybody will be grandfathered in so it'd be just that much longer before we take a look (mumbled) Hayek/ Okay. Payne/ Are we still on work packet items then? Hayek/ We're still on the, uh, September 3rd Info Packet. Payne/ I have a question on IPS, which, Stefanie, it's the Government Alliance and Race Equity training that you....what is the difference between this training and the training in November? Or in October I mean. Bowers/ Sure. So I just kind of answered an email about that this afternoon, but I think Dr. Moore and Diane Finnerty's training is looking at, um, oppression, privilege, and competency as it relates to ... personal biases that we all have and how our personal biases affect our interactions with others and how those then affect decisions that we make. Whereas the GARE training is looking at ... systems and structures within government, um, with the, um, understanding that a lot of neutral government policies, um ... result in inequities, and so looking at these systems, um, looking at institutional barriers, um, and how ... city governments can, um, create tools, resources to minimize or reduce (coughing, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 27 difficult to hear speaker) um, disparities, or over or under -representations that we see. So I think one is more ... more of an institutional, um, training, whereas one is more, to me, I would describe as individual. Dobyns/ (mumbled) Payne/ The October one is (both talking) Bowers/ I'm sorry, the Dr. Moore and Diane Finnerty one would be the more individual. Payne/ And that's the October one. Bowers/ Correct! (laughs) Payne/ Okay (several talking) Hayek/ Thank you, Stefanie. Payne/ Thanks! Very much! I have another question. IP6, which is the traffic calming on Westbury Drive. Somebody here that can ... and it's more of a generalized question than specifically. Um, so it says ... the City's adopted traffic calming program requires that at least 60% of responding households must indicate support for the proposed traffic calming project. Ralston/ Correct. Payne/ So is the assumption that if somebody doesn't respond, they approve. Ralston/ No. If they don't respond, they're not tallied at all. So we only look at the ... we only tally the ... the fors and against for who responds. Payne/ Who responds. Ralston/ Yes, one vote per household. Payne/ So if one person responded yes, and that's the only person that responded, it would be a go. Ralston/ Well we would bring that to you all and we would report that there was only one person and then... Payne/ Okay! Ralston/ ...if you chose so it would be a go, yes. Payne/ Okay! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 28 Ralston/ Yes. Payne/ Thank you. Hayek/ Thanks! Okay, September 10th Info Packet. Throgmorton/ Uh, can we talk about KXIC? Hayek/ Yeah! Throgmorton/ Now? So it's IP4. Uh, I'm pretty much due for some time in the next few weeks, so I could do either October 7, November 4, or the Friday thing on October the 16th Dickens/ I'll do September 30th. (mumbled) ...baseball season. Karr/ (several talking) ...which ones do you want, what's your preference? (several talking) Throgmorton/ Well I... Karr/ The 7? Throgmorton/ Yeah, uh, November the 4th. Karr/ November 4th. Can anyone do ... can anyone do September 23rd since that's the most immediate? Hayek/ Yeah, I can do that it looks like. Karr/ September 23rd Matt. Hayek/ Sure! Karr/ Okay, then we have Terry for the 30th. October 7th? Botchway/ I can do the ... (mumbled) Yeah, I can do the 7th Karr/ (both talking) Okay. And then we have the 14th, 21St, 28th, and then November 4th then. So if we want to wait a while or you can let me know and I'll plug it in. Um ... so we can get to another meeting (mumbled) of time. Hayek/ Yeah. Throgmorton/ So ... so Friday... they're not filled up, right? Karr/ Fridays (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 29 Mims/ Rick has those. Karr/ Rick has ... has them because (several talking and laughing) So I mean... Throgmorton/ Can't have too much, Rick, right? (laughter) Dobyns/ I'm my most eloquent on Fridays, Jim. As opposed to Tuesday evenings! (laughs) Karr/ So ... the Fridays remain the same with openings November 20th and December 18th. Hayek/ Um ... briefly on the, uh... is it an attachment. I'm trying to ... ahhhh! Tom had a memo, uh, to Stefanie regarding CPRB, um ... which I thought was good and ... and it just as a reminder that, uh, it ... boy would it be great if other communities followed our lead, uh, in terms of...public oversight of...of their police operations, um ... I hope that trend increases, and that's certainly something that people who are thinking about this issue on a national level and trying to solve the issue of trust between law enforcement and the public tend to talk about, which is this civilian oversight issue. Um, I'm glad we do it and I hope that concept spreads. Karr/ Matt, you're talking about IP8, the ... equity report (both talking) Hayek/ Uh, was it... Mims/ No, it's in IP7. Karr/ 7? Mims/ Page 16 of the packet. It's attachment #1 (several talking) Hayek/ Thank you. I've got one of those bubble things that takes you right to the comment without telling me which item I'm in. (several responding) Payne/ I think I have a question that might be on the same ... item that you're talking about. It's actually on page 14 of...the 9/10 Info Packet. At the top it says September 8th, page 4, and this is probably just a really silly question, but close to the bottom it says 'on June 18th, the Communications Department launched the new City web site. The new site features a Google translate button, located at the bottom of each page.' What is a Google translate button? Dobyns/ Didn't you do that? It's fun! Throgmorton/ It is fun! Dobyns/ Yeah! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 30 Payne/ I try to stay off the web site now cause it's so awful, but ... (laughs) Hayek/ Geez! (several talking and laughing) Fruin/ You can select from a number of, um, different languages and it'll translate the page (both talking) Payne/ Well I saw that down there. It says English. Why would I change it? I don't know how to speak any other language. That's all it means? That's all it is? Okay! (several talking and laughing) I said it was a silly question! (laughs) I had never heard of it before! (several talking) Fruin/ Sorry, I didn't hear ya! Dobyns/ The, uh, regarding the languages. I think if you do Google translate, the grammar is kind of a little ... (both talking) Fruin/ It.... Dobyns/ ...clunky..with the foreign languages, when I took a look. Um... Fruin/ It could be. It's a ... it's a very commonly used application that a number of (both talking) private and public entities use. Payne/ So...so basically it just translates whatever's on that page, whatever language you pick. Fruin/ Correct. Yes. Payne/ Okay. (several talking) Well, I used it on Google before but I just didn't connect the two. Dobyns/ I don't know if you could do any better. I think it's, um ... it's (several talking) Hayek/ Right. Dobyns/ But I think a foreign language speaker would look at it and kinda go, 'Really?' Fruin/ Part of the, you know, what we have to work on as a ... in our communications operations is to make sure the ... the verbiage we're using on the page doesn't include slang and ... and things that are not easily interpreted, and that's something that ... that takes a little getting used to, but um ... you know, if we can be very clear in our communication, hopefully it'll translate cleanly, but um, that certainly doesn't always take place. Markus/ You know, I think the effort is worthwhile because it...it creates a situation where eventually persons, um, non-English speakers can come in and have it translated for their own language, as to what we're trying to convey in terms of our rules, regulations, policies, communication. So, I think the intent is in the right direction. Refinements This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 31 always take time, but I think that's a movement in the right direction. I would hope people would be supportive of that. Payne/ Definitely! I mean I think it's a good idea. I just didn't understand what it meant (laughs) Karr/ I'd also like to wear my consistency hat again and say that the other advantage in that is that regardless of the department you're in, the document, the translation is the same, though it may not be perfect, it is the same reading it in that department as it is in another department, and I think that is a very helpful, consistent message that the City can put out in that respect. Dobyns/ The broad categories are accurate, because that isn't so grammatically ... relied on grammar, uh, but the narrative doesn't make any ... and so a foreign language speaker can look at categories and figure it out pretty well, so... Mims/ IP10. I'd just like to thank staff, uh, or whoever put together this affordable housing projects in Iowa City, kind of this two-page brochure, um, great summary of the projects that the City's involved in, uh, for affordable housing. Throgmorton/ IP8. Hayek/ Yes! Throgmorton/ The equity report. I want to thank Stefanie for that report. I think it's extremely well done. Uh, I do wonder though whether ... I ... I might have overlooked, uh, some key information, uh, cause I read it quickly and didn't go back over it, so maybe I did. Uh, does it discuss, um ... disparities in education, income, employment, access to jobs? Bowers/ Um ... it would address employment as it relates to City employment. Throgmorton/ But not generally for the City's, the population of the city? Bowers/ The entire equity report is data that's ... what I would consider internal data that's related to City services, programs, and operations. Throgmorton/ Yeah, yeah. Hayek/ Well ICAD, through its workforce development stuff, maintains a lot of the broader data, I think. Throgmorton/ Well, I wanted to bring it up, mainly because I've brought it up before, and I think that ... that's the real nub of it, is doing ... taking substantive actions to reduce disparities in income, education, employment, access to jobs, and so on. That's where the hard work is. That's where we need to be also reporting on. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 32 Botchway/ I would like to say, um, kinda along the lines, um of Susan's comments was I'd just like to report, I mean I think it's ... not to say the last report wasn't clean. I think the last report was just as clean. I think that it's just more ... urn ... I don't know, palatable. I don't know if that's the right word I want to use, but ... I think it's just... Hayek/ The equity report or the house ... the affordable housing? Botchway/ Oh, I'm sorry, equity report (both talking) Throgmorton/ (mumbled) Botchway/ Sorry, equity report! Um, cause I know the first one in and of itself was, uh, just a lot of information, period, just because it was the first one of its kind, and so in ... you know, you mentioned the fact that this report would be, um, a lot, you know, more shorter and you know all those other different things, but urn ... it's good, you know. I like it. I like the pictures. Not to say that's the only thing, but I think it adds to the ... the report and the readability of the report, so... Throgmorton/ It highlights important facts (both talking) Botchway/ Right! Throgmorton/ ... and ... in a way that's not entirely (several talking and laughing) Mims/ ...quotes can be taken out of context (laughs) Botchway/ Yeah! Yeah! (several talking and laughing) Hayek/ Very well done report, Stefanie! Did a very good job on it! Throgmorton/ Yeah! Mims/ And to Jim's point, we always have more work to do, not only as a city but as a community, so... Botchway/ I will have to say and this just came up in some of my twitter controversy from time to time, but you know ... I ... I know that there's more to do and I know Susan talked about that and I know that we've, you know, consistently been kind of on the precipice of the discussion as far as, you know, what are we doing, can you consistently update ... I just ask that you know the same be asked of other entities. It might ... it might be and that's fine; I'm just not aware, um, but just you know ... I don't know if there is an equity report for each, um, jurisdiction within Johnson County. Hayek/ I'm confident there isn't! Botchway/ Well ... but I ... and I don't ... maybe there's something (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 33 Hayek/ I think you have to look at their staffing, which doesn't compare to ours. You have to look at their commissions, which don't compare to ours. We're the only ones with a CPRB, go on and on and on. That is a very good point. Botchway/ But I think ... but to that point as well, I think that too frequently we may wait until after something is set in stone and then start focusing on (mumbled) cause Iowa City's, you know, we've been the big city for a long time and so I know there are a lot of questions and criticisms that comes from that, but you know, as some of these newer cities emerge, North Liberty's getting larger, um, you know, it'd be great to kind of have that, and I don't mean to use North Liberty. And again, maybe they're already thinking about it, but have some of that discussion with the County, you know, I mean that's something that I know they work on, but again, having this type of report, um, is huge, so... Markus/ Well I think that goes to the point of the whole CPRB and ... and the point of my memo to the Council was is that we have a situation where ... we hear from other elected officials of other jurisdictions on a regular basis about what we are or aren't doing, but when you look at the equity report, you look at the CPRB, you look at all the other things that we're working on, and ... there's a tendency to come back to the same well to further refine that well when the others haven't even gotten to the starting point of the reports that we're doing. And so I think you do have to keep that in mind. That's not a justification not to keep doing what we're doing, or to expand or even do more, but ... I think sometimes people hide in the shadows, quite frankly. Throgmorton/ Yeah, course I look at that a little bit differently. Our standard is ourselves, not what other people are doing, and therefore we need to continually strive to improve, do better at what we're doing, uh, and not let ourself be weighted down by what others are not doing. Botchway/ But it's a collaborative process (both talking) Mims/ I don't think that's what Tom said at all though. Throgmorton/ No, well ... just emphasizing a point. Hayek/ Yeah, but here's how I would look at it, I mean, I don't think he's stating something contrary to what you're saying, Jim. I think we have to ... we can't let up. We have to do these things. Um ... but ... but we are an easy target, yet we represent any more only a half of the County's population. Botchway/ Well and I ... I agree to a certain extent, Jim, but my point was ... or to a greater extent of my point is just being a little bit upset at, you know, initially when the Ad Hoc Diversity Committee, and Marian, help me out if this is not the case. There were comments about ... I think there's a couple people that came to the Commission meeting This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 34 and went to great lengths, or maybe it was, uh, CPRB, went to great lengths talking about the ... the Police Department (both talking) Throgmorton/ Yeah, for sure! Botchway/ ...and it wasn't ours! I mean and so ... so, and that was something that came out from a communication's standpoint, I mean, maybe as we're looking at taxicab situations, maybe we need to look at different colors for our, um, for our police cars, because I think a lot of people assume Iowa City's the police when it's not. It could be University Heights, could be Coralville, could be North Liberty, the County. It could be, um, the University, I mean (laughs) so many different police departments in our jurisdiction that have some type of weight ... at times in Iowa City. Again, not saying that Iowa City police don't have some things to work on. I'm not saying that we as a Council don't have some things to work on, but some of the comments I've heard, not only from the Ad Hoc Diversity Committee but also going to these community forums and having these multiple discussions about police, some of 'em have been out of our jurisdiction and ... I don't know if anything's happened along those lines and ... and so to me it's still a collaborative process, because as we work on this you know and Iowa City is working on this solely ... or not (mumbled) working on this to our own standards, whatever the case may be, I ... I just, you know, kind of putting the message out there, not only to the community, but also to the cities as well that, you know ... kind of getting on board from a collaborative standpoint, maybe adopting some of the things that we're doing, maybe doing some things better ... I ... I don't know. I think it would be a good place to start. Mims/ Well to me, that's what Tom was saying. Here we're already doing these things and we're working hard to continue doing them and continue to do them better and better ... let's start trying to put some pressure on these other people to bring them up to where we are, not ... I didn't hear him say let them drag us down. I'm hearing him say let's try and bring them up to where we are. We need to continue doing and improving, you know, doing what we're doing and improving upon what we're doing, but ... let's try and put a little pressure, drag them along. Markus/ You know the ... the classic to me is when you talk about scattered site housing in terms of scattering affordable housing across our community. You do that in part to make sure that people can live and enjoy all areas of the city. However, there's also employment (mumbled) and everything else, and so it...it seems to me that ... that, um ... that is a regional issue, and when you start to look at where some of the employment centers, other than Iowa City area, then there's an absolute need to have scattered site housing throughout the region. Now show me where that's happening, and so I had a conversation with some of the ... the affordable housing providers, and I said, you know, it's ... it's great for you to come back to us and talk about what we're doing, and then ... and ask for additional things, but what are you doing in terms of the other jurisdictions and what success are you having in providing affordable housing in our neighboring jurisdictions? You're right! We're only half the population of the County! So what's going on in the balance of the other urbanized parts of the County where there's employment centers where you do need affordable housing, where people are building This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 35 businesses that have employment that probably need affordable housing. So I ... from my standpoint, you get a lot of A get a lot of push that you folks don't see a lot of times, and I'm pushing back saying, 'Fine! We'll do our share. We'll do probably more than our share, and ... and yet you need to go back to other jurisdictions and apply the same kind of request, the same kind of pressure to accomplish those things across the entire population to really achieve scattered site.' Scattered site just doesn't mean within the boundaries of Iowa City. Those boundaries are imaginary to begin with, with most people, when they're making, you know, decisions as to where they're going to live so you need to have that pushed out, and that's the effort I'm trying to make with some of these folks. That doesn't mean that diminishes what we're trying to do one bit, but ... you know, there's more partners around the table and quite frankly while the pressure point sits at Iowa City, others are glad to ... just be on the sidelines and watch it be on Iowa City. Hayek/ Totally agree! Dobyns/ I think the Affordable Homes of Johnson County heard you this morning, Tom. Hayek/ Glad to see their piece. Dobyns/ There was a letter from Sally Scott, so... (several talking) Dilkes/ I can't help but say something (several talking) another very good appli... or .... or example of that is the elimination of the question on Iowa City's employment application for conviction of a crime, um, and if you are interested in jobs, I don't think that's been done with others'...employment applications. (several responding) Markus/ So when you get together with the other jurisdictions and (both talking) Botchway/ ... let's ... that's my Council time! (several talking and laughing) Hayek/ We've got ... we've got 15 minutes, so let's keep on keeping on here, people! (several talking) Uh... anything else on that Info Packet? Council time! Council Time: Botchway/ So for Council time, the reason why I kind of hit on that particular note is because during this ... I mean the joint meeting's coming up soon, right, and I know we're ... we usually talk about the meeting before. Hayek/ In about a month. Mims/ End of October. Botchway/ Okay. So ... there's two issues I want to talk about — putting more ... I think ... I think I missed the last one so I apologize. Putting more ... and I know we think about it politically but you know, I mean, it gets to the point where ... I ... I just don't have the time to think This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 36 about how we should play it out. We need to have .... talk about, you know, how this looks regionally because, um, it's an important issue that I think we ... we all discuss or we all kinda had (mumbled) during candidacies, and I'm talking about across all the different jurisdictions, but then ... nothing happens. On top of that, we have to talk about the decorum. I'm sorry, guys, I know we talked about this last time and, um ... we didn't discuss it or whatever the case may be, and I think I even said that I was going to discuss it but then didn't show up to the meeting so that's my fault, but um ... we gotta talk about decorum and I want to put it on the agenda. Payne/ I don't know what you mean. Explain! Botchway/ So, taking pot shots and um, making comments in the public that are ... not conducive to any type of working relationship. Payne/ Okay. Botchway/ Between municipalities, between respective governments. Dobyns/ You mean ... you talking about that meeting in ... or in general (both talking) Botchway/ I'm talking about in general. Dobyns/ Okay, all right. Botchway/ But the timing is perfect. Dobyns/ Okay. Hayek/ Um, and your first point was regionalism. Was it on the housing issue alone or was it on a host of (both talking) Botchway/ It was on, well the ... first with the police issue because ... and this is ... sorry, guys! This was brought up, sorry to kind of, you know, um, ditch ya, Jim, but this ... this was brought up about North Liberty and Coralville just rather recently with me and so I'm kinda on that path right now, and then the other part ... so being the police, affordable housing, um ... and we can talk about employment but I wasn't prepared to ... to bring that in, so... Throgmorton/ Well with regard to the affordable housing part of this, whatever happened to that committee that we created jointly, either in the joint cities meeting or the MPO thing? It was chaired by, or organized by, moderated by Andy Johnson and the County. Payne/ The last time we ever talked about that was in Coralville, wasn't it? At the Coralville meeting? Karr/ They reported they were having a meeting difficulty at the last joint meeting. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 37 Throgmorton/ Right, and we haven't heard anything... Karr/ (both talking) ...that he hoped to be able to report back (coughing, unable to hear speaker) Payne/ ...the next meeting (several responding) Throgmorton/ So we set up some kind of process but nothing's come of it, best I can tell. Payne/ Cause we haven't... haven't had a meeting yet, to listen to their ... report. Markus/ I thought the School was organizing that, and in fact our case (both talking) Hayek/ And was ... wasn't (both talking) Markus/ And Tracy Hightshoe is our representative from the City (several talking) Botchway/ ...but I thought Andy was spearheading (several talking) I think that it was, to what brought it up, and then eventually it got to the point where Andy was saying that he was going to do it (several talking) and then ... they haven't met at all though. Karr/ At the last joint meeting, they hadn't because ... he said they were running into some scheduling difficulties, but reported that was his goal (coughing, unable to hear speaker) Hayek/ (mumbled) Ralston/ Yeah, sorry, I ... I actually sit on that committee, or I guess whatever we want to call it for the MPO. Tracy Hightshoe does for the City, as has been mentioned. Uh, we did meet about three weeks ago or so. Don't quote me on a time, but ... two or three weeks ago we did meet and that was the second, I think, second or third even that Andy Johnson's put together. So it is functioning, we are meeting, and uh, they've also invited the University of Iowa, who was represented at the last meeting. Hayek/ Is there, uh, is there enough substance in the discussion to date that it would make sense to ask for an update at the joint meeting in October? Ralston/ Um ... yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea. They've been talking about definitions in general, how all the different communities sort of look at definitions differently, and you know, some of these things seem very simple to me. I'm sort of on the outside of the conversations, but ... um, they've been very helpful, you know, as kind of an outsider. So I think, um, an update might not be a bad idea. Hayek/ It gives you a segue. Botchway/ Okay, so yeah, let's do an update on ... affordable housing (both talking) Hayek/ ...we've got a meeting between now and then anyway. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 38 Botchway/ Okay. I just want to (both talking) radar. Hayek/ Yeah! Yeah! Botchway/ If anything, so take off the ... I mean I want the affordable housing update. We have to talk about decorum. So I will bring that up next meeting, but we have to talk about decorum. Karr/ (several talking) ...agenda item for the next work session to decide on items (both talking) Botchway/ Oh, yes! Karr/ So you can (both talking) Botchway/ I'm already advocating for decorum. Throgmorton/ With regard to that particular point, here's my view about it, Kingsley. Each of us can control our own behavior, but we cannot control behavior of others. So if other people want to speak in a way we don't like ... I know what you're referring to (laughter) I can't do anything about it! I mean we can say, hey, you know, so-and-so ... please don't talk that way (laughs) or set up some kind of rule, but in the end... Hayek/ Yeah. Botchway/ I ... I want to have a pu... cause it's frequently talked about that we don't have public discussions on things. I would want to have a public discussion on record about decorum. That's why. That's.... that's the reason why. I know that it might not change the behavior, and that's... that... the goal, I mean, at the end of it is not necessarily the result that I'm seeking. I'm just seeking on having a public discussion in front of all the cities, as far as decorum and (mumbled) how we move forward together from a regional perspective. Hayek/ Well first of all we have to be careful, cause this is not an agenda item. Botchway/ Oh, true, sorry! Hayek/ We'll be taking it up at our next meeting. Let's think about this, um (several talking) sometimes that, I mean I ... I'm with ya in terms of the underlying objective and concern. have concerns about whether that plays right into the hands of people who ... who you're probably referring to, um ... so ... let's think about it. We've got until our meeting in early October, because I think the joint meeting's like the (several talking) Okay, so our first Council meeting we'll talk about that at work session, um ... okay! Other... Council time items? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015. September 15, 2015 Iowa City City Council Work Session Page 39 Throgmorton/ I would like to mention two things, Matt. On the 21St, I spent three fruitful hours with Jon Resler, Superintendent of Streets, uh, thanks to Tom and so on, uh, seeing street crew operations underway, uh, paving ... uh, pothole filling... painting, and so on. Uh, and John did a terrific job of helping me understand how he runs things. I really enjoyed meeting with the crew ... crews actually and observing their work and all that. So I want to thank Tom for helping me set that up and it was a very fruitful thing to do. The other thing I wanted to mention is I had a ... a really terrific, uh, tour of Mark Twain Elementary with Mary Bontrager, the ... the Principal on the, uh, September the 8th, I think. I don't know. A few days ago! Uh, and that was a great experience because they've done ... they have done a terrific job with the renovations and additions at Twain and Mary is really excited, and of course she's ... she's just a terrific person anyhow. So she ... it was really fun hearing her talk about how those improvements are going ... are..will... will be improving the quality of education they can deliver to their kids, and they face significant challenges because 90 out of 300 students are English-language learners. Uh, so ... praise to Mary and so on. And ... and to the School Board members and the Superintendent, I praised them too by email. Mims/ Uh, just real quick, Jim and I took a tour with the Parks and Rec Commission last night? Throgmorton/ Yeah! Mims/ Um, great time. Saw a lot of the different parks. Nowhere near all of them (both talking) Except for the last bump (laughs) but um ... yeah, had a really good time with the Parks and Rec Commission and, uh, Mike Moran, so thank them for that. Throgmorton/ Right! Hayek/ Anybody else? Okay, meeting schedule. Anything on that? Pending work session topics? Upcoming events or Council invites? Mims/ There's a lot! Hayek/ Yeah! (laughter) Okay! Take a break, come back at 7:00. Good meeting and thanks to everyone! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of September 15, 2015.