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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018-05-15 Transcription Page 1 Item 1. Call to Order Item la Roll Call Throgmorton: (bangs gavel) I'd like to call to order the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting for May 15, 2018. Be....oh I guess I should do the...uh, item for...one first. Call to order, roll call please. I wanna make a brief comment and it's really going to be my own. Uh, I'm very conscious that, uh, the Immigration and Enforcement Agency, uh, conducted a raid at a particular facility in Mount Pleasant,uh, that it resulted in the arrest of maybe 30 or so employees. I don't wanna comment on that. They were certainly doing what they're legally empowered to do, uh, but what I do want to comment on is the trauma that that produced among the families, uh, associated with the people who were arrested, and I just want to acknowledge....that....that trauma happened and I feel grief for the families who were directly affected and people who are direct...directly related to them. And, uh....I think, uh....it's not what.....not the way we would have proceeded, but we're not the agency involved and we have no control over how a particular federal agency enforces federal law. But I did wanna make that opening comment. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 2 Item 2. Student Leadership Awards Item 2a Robert Lucas Elementary Throgmorton: From Robert Lucas Elementary School we have three awardees— Simon Alvarado, Melae Lacy, and Sara Sanders. I bet they're in the room! Come on up, please! (applause) All right, so let me come over here and get between all you good folks. So this is the most exciting moment of the evening (laughter) It's the one that Pauline Taylor, my fellow Councilperson, enjoys the most. Uh, for good reason, because we see happy parents in the audience and....I think, you know, we're on TV too, so there are happy people out there in Iowa City land, enjoying what they see. And, having opp....an opportunity to celebrate with you the good work that you've been doing. So, uh, we have three awards here. They all say exactly the same thing, and I'll read the award statement after you read your speeches. You each brought your speeches, didn't ya? All right! So, we could begin with Melae. Okay? So....let me scoot over here. So I'm gonna hold this and you can say whatever you want to say. Lacy: Good evening everyone. Uh,my name is Melae Lacy and I show positive leadership at Lucas Elementary by reading to younger children each day. I play for, uh, I play volleyball for Iowa Rockets and for basketball I play for Thunder. Um....I....uh.....oh my gosh! (laughs) Um....I study Taekwondo for(can't hear) Black Belt Academy and I....uh, have a temporary black belt right now, and...um ....oh, I can't think (laughs) um.....Mr. Mickunas awarded me to, urn, a STEM program that last for a week in Loyola University and I will be attending that this summer, and I would like to thank my parents for all their love, sacrifice, and support they give for me this year. Thank you. (applause) Throgmorton: Great! Beautifully done! (applause continues) Well done. I can tell you, you're the first person who's spoken without a written speech in her hand, or his hand, in the, what, six-plus years I've been on the Council. So, well done! Okay, so.... . Sara, you're gonna be next, right? So, do you have a speech? Sanders: Hello, my name is Sara Sanders. I've been a student at Lucas Elementary for seven years. I would like to thank the City Council for this honor and my teacher Miss Dostal for nominating me. My teachers give all students many opportunities to demonstrate leadership. While at Lucas I participate in peace builders, student council, reading buddies, helping the first graders and kindergartners with This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 3 reading, (can't hear) club, and safety patrol. Thank you again for this honor. (applause) Throgmorton: I thought I heard a City Councilman cheering over here! (laughs) Cole: Great job! (laughs) Throgmorton: Okay, Simon, you're next! Alvarado: Okay, um, hello my name is Simon Alvarado. This award means a lot to me. Thank you for recognizing me as a good citizen. I think I am a good citizen in the classroom because I am never late and always turn in my work on time. I always participate in class discussions or raise my hand during the class, to help out or to answer a question. And as an example of how I'm an excellent citizen is in my family. In my family I always take care of my brother by helping him by what he needs or being in charge of him. In conclusion, I am a good citizen because I like to take care of things or be in charge. Thank you for this award. (applause) Throgmorton: All right! (laughs) (applause continues) All right, we'll be able to turn to you when we need somebody to be in charge. That....that's great! Okay! So, let me read these....read these awards. They say exactly the same thing, `cept your own individual name appears here. (reads Student Leadership Award) So (applause) You probably don't want that sticker! And....I think this should be yours. Can you take that and take that sticker out of there? I run out of hands. Oh, this one's yours. Okay! There you go. All right, so I bet there's some happy parents out there. And you're doin' a great job. You should be very proud of your kids! Well done! Yeah. All right, so....(applause) on to enjoy the rest of the night. (applause continues) It's really fun to do that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 4 Item 3. Proclamations Item 3a Kids to Parks Day Throgmorton: We have a proclamation called Kids to Parks Day, but I don't think there's anyone here to accept this proclamation so I will not read it. Item 3b National Police Week Throgmorton: (reads proclamation) Is there anyone here who can accept this proclamation? (laughter) (applause) No speech? (laughter) Matherly: I wasn't sure if I was gonna get cued or not(laughter) new to me! Urn, thank you very mut...much, Mr. Mayor, and....and City Council. Urn, I will tell you that the officers of the Iowa City Police Department, and across the state of Iowa, really depend on the support of their city councils and the community at large, and proclamations like this really seal that for us, that uh, we know that, um, that... that folks support us at our daily work, and in the, uh, and in the event that we do suffer a loss, protecting our community in the line of duty, urn, that they're also there for the families as well. It's so important, so we appreciate it, and I'll bring this back and we'll display it proudly! So thank you (several talking) Mims: Chief, could you maybe just, for the audience, there were a few of us here earlier today to talk about the event here in the chambers earlier today and what three of your officers are off doing, urn, working or vacationing on their bikes on the east coast (laughs) Matherly: Sure! So today we, uh, honored, uh....um, the, well the, actually our police chaplains honored us for National Police, uh, Memorial Day, and that makes...because it falls on May 15'h of every year, this National Police Memorial Week. So during this time, urn, is a time to reflect, a time to, uh, recognize and...and have ceremonial, um...um, events to, uh, to honor those that have....who have passed before us, and again, also the families. So this week in particular in Washington, D.C., at the National Memorial and Museum, uh, there are tens of thousands of people there that are doing ceremonies, and we have three officers there represented, and one of the things that they participated in this week was the Police Unity Ride, and that ride consists of a, uh, of a bicycle ride through several states. It's kind of a RAGBRAI on steroids, if you will. Matter of fact our officer said this is kinda easy cause we're RAGRAIers. We....we know how(laughs) to do this! And other ones were sufferin', tryin' to get up the hills, but um, this This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 5 event is 2,500 riders. It rides through several states, uh, to Washington, D.C., and it's, uh, expected to raise $2.6 million for the Memorial and for the Museum in Washington, D.C., so it's a big event and uh,just today as I watched the President, um, giving the speech, uh, in front of the U.S. Capitol for....for the memorial, uh, our Captain Troy Kelsay was shootin' me pictures cause he's there and so it was kinda cool to see that...that he's actually at...at that event. So...uh, great event, uh, today with our chaplains honoring us....was.....was a great event. I had to read my speech (laughs) so I'm impressed that she didn't have to (laughs) uh, I'm one of those, but urn, we really appreciated that today and....and we do it every year. So next May 15th, the public's welcome. It'll be 11:00 A.M., right in this place again. So.... Mims: Thank you very much. Matherly: Thank you. Throgmorton: Thanks, Chief! Item 3c National Public Works Week Throgmorton: (reads proclamation) Is there anybody named Ron Knoche here who could accept a proclamation (laughter) (applause) Knoche: Mr. Mayor, Council, uh, thank you on behalf our hundred and...almost seventy employees in our Public Works Department and this recognition. Urn, as a....as a part of National Public Works Week, uh, each year our National APWA, um, recognizes 10, uh, individuals as top 10 Public Works Leaders of the Year, and uh, this year Rick Fosse has been named one of those top 10, uh, winners, and so, um, the Iowa Chapter will be hosting a reception for Rick next Tuesday, uh, from 4:00 to 6:00 at Big Grove Brewery. So you're all more than welcome to come and attend that. Um, it is a....it is a great honor for Rick, and it's a...another great honor for our community, and for our state. This....this'll be....I think our fifth, uh, top 10 winner from the state of Iowa in the past five years, so we've...we've been doing very well. Mims: So there's 10 in the nation that are honored? Knoche: Yes. Top, yes, 10 in the nation. So,urn, you know, we have 30,000 members and the....in APWA nationally, so...uh, it's, uh, it's a great honor for Rick and, uh, we're....we're, urn, happy for him. So....thank you! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 6 Mims: Great! Throgmorton: So, Ron, uh, for people who are watching on TV or somehow don't know this, uh, Rick Fosse is a long-time, was a long-time employee of the City of Iowa City, and a long-time Director of our Department of Public Works. So, we're very proud of Rick and....it's great news. Yeah. Knoche: Yep! Thank you. Throgmorton: Thanks (mumbled) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 7 Item 4. Consider adoption of the Consent Calendar as presented or amended Botchway: So moved. Taylor: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Taylor. Discussion? Kingsley, there's somethin' you wanted to bring up (several talking) Botchway: Maz, go ahead! Item 4d(1) ICFD Strategic Plan—Consider a motion approving the Fire Department Strategic Plan Salih: Uh, I just wanna talk about Item 4d(1). Just I'm gonna(unable to understand) various items here. One of them is 4d(1), about the Iowa City, you know, Fire Department. The strategic plan, uh, you know....(unable to understand) of the diversity part of the plan is to promote recruitment of men and woman of diverse background. I just thought that really, you know, I like this very much and I support it. The Fire Department offer to achieve greater diversity in our firefighters. This is great. And, um, the second one.....will be, uh.....yes, Item 4d(10). Item 4d(10)Order of Business for Council meetings - Resolution repealing Resolution No. 13-81 of the City Council of the City of Iowa City and approving a new resolution setting the order of business for formal council meetings Salih: Because I was reading, I don't know if, you know, you say like (unable to understand) specifically requests that any of the item be consider separately. This item will be removed and considered later on the agenda. Is this something new or always was there? For the.... Throgmorton: This just provides us with a little more flexibility. Eleanor, could you.... Dilkes: No, that provision of it has always been there though. Salih: It's always been there? I thought (unable to understand) know about it. That's why, so you know, I can just mention it so for the public to know they can also do that. And....um......just very brief for Item 4e(1). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 8 Item 4e(1) Univer-City Sale—717 E. Davenport. Resolution setting public hearing for May 29, 2018, on a proposal to convey a single-family home located at 717 E. Davenport Street Salih: The University, uh, Univer-City sale for the 717 E. Davenport Street. I know the price is $165,000 but I would love to know like (unable to understand)bedroom there? Fruin: (mumbled) Taylor: It was small. I thought it was two-bedroom, 900-square feet I think. Salih: 900-square feet? I forget (unable to hear) Fruin: Two-bedroom, one bathroom, 960-square feet. Salih: I just wanna comment on that. Really, $165,000 for two-bedroom is way expensive, and we're talking about affordable housing here. Uh, it's still the question will remain, affordable to whom? I think we should look into that, you know, I....I have personal experience, is lookin' for a house, and I know what the market look like and....and I understand this is not affordable. Maybe you can talk about it later. The last one is 4f(2). Item 4f(2) Archie Green: Low income housing for the elderly Salih: (mumbled) Archie Green, low-income housing for the....I'm referring to the letter that being sent. Yeah, and also....again.....you know, I....I like the idea of like having like,building affordable housing for elderly people,but as you all receive this letter and read it, for a single bedroom, 650 for the rent, it could be affordable, yeah, on the....but in the real life it also the question gonna remain— affordable to whom? We need to include everyone when we thinking about affordable housing. I know it's made to be affordable and 650 somehow affordable,but it still, the question is again, affordable to whom, and this is great example, the letter that we have receive. We're not including everyone. (unable to understand) Univer-City sale (unable to understand) elderly housing, certain income, we really need to change the way of how we do....how we think about affordable housing and affordable to whom. Throgmorton: That it, Maz? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 9 Salih: I guess....that's it,yeah. Thanks! Throgmorton: Okay. Thank you. Item 4e(5) Mormon Trek Boulevard (Westside Drive to Melrose Avenue)— Four Lane to Three Lane Conversion Project Resolution setting a public hearing on May 29, 2018 on plans, specifications, form of contract, and estimate of cost for the construction of the Mormon Trek Boulevard (Westside Drive to Melrose Avenue)—Four Lane to Three Lane Conversion Project, directing City Clerk to publish notice of said hearing, and directing the City Engineer to place said plans on file for public inspection Botchway: So I'm gonna briefly comment on, uh, 4e(5) and, uh,just...uh, this is associated with the....project, my notes are now everywhere. The project to afford a three- lane conversion, or....yeah, four to three-lane conversion of Mormon Trek. Urn, I'm gonna support this project. However, here are my points of concern. Uh, received a low road grade and that wasn't necessarily, um, focused on, urn, casualties, which we've discussed is a value on Council. Obviously I....I have values as far as preserving life as well. Um, but....a large part of this (mumbled) is due to traffic. Um, so for me it's ultimately supporting a low assessment. I understand that it conflicts with our Council value, um, related to safety (mumbled) with speed collision, but again, I have some concerns, urn, with this arterial street, um, going from four to three lanes and the traffic that it would cause. Urn, all the studies, urn, we've reviewed speak to wanting and a desire to (mumbled) traffic flow. I know that again we have asked our, urn, representatives, urn, at the....at the City level to provide for more information as it provides....or as it....as we look at safety and want to have additional safety components, but I do feel like there's...cause there's a happy medium where we can look at safety, um, but also look at traffic flow. Because I would say in regards to that safety component, I'm not necessarily there yet. I...I think that with, urn, I....what was used before was, um, an example of how Dodge Street is a...a three-lane road and I can tell you going to work every day, um, coming in to Dodge Street is awful. I mean it's terrible from that perspective,and....actually just today there was an....almost an accident waiting to happen as you come out of the HyVee, uh, gas station, where somebody was trying to butt in because there's just so much traffic. My concern is with the change from four to three- lane is that we're just talking about, you know, individual business, um...uh, you know, workers corning in to work, urn, and Mormon Trek, we're not only talking about arterial street where there's people coming in to work, we're also talking This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 10 about a highly-trafficked street which has about....two, three....two schools, urn, in that particular area, and a major high school, and I know that you know that I'm a speed demon, but I will guarantee you that some of the students, urn,just leave me in the dust and so in thinking about how traffic flow is associated with, urn, speed and ultimately younger age drivers driving and wanting to get to class on time, and workers wanting to get to class on time, I'll be looking at and wanting to make sure that we review those safety statistics that we valued to make sure that we don't see an uptick or cause for concerns from that standpoint. I am...I will say thought I'm in favor of the turn lane, cause that's....that's an awful area to turn, and so in general I just wanted to say I'm supportive of the project. I think we've talked about this before, but I did want to highlight it because, I mean, I used to live on the west side, urn, neighbors that I had previously, and also people that I've talked to, have expressed considerable concern. They did not feel comfortable coming to Council because, again, they don't want to be a proponent as has....as is how it's been described of not wanting safety, but I do think as we....as we deliberate and look at this as a potential, I wouldn't say pilot but...in a sense pilot project to review what this looks like for arterial street, I do wanna make sure that we have those considerations in mind and that when we think about this four-lane to three-lane conversion, it does matter for different areas of our town. Throgmorton: (both talking) Well, I...I'm gonna interrupt, Pauline, only.... Taylor: Okay! Throgmorton: ....only because of this. For the...for the public's knowledge, what we are doing with Item 4e(5) is scheduling a public hearing....on requests for bids concerning the Mormon Trek Boulevard four-lane to three-lane conversion project. So...we strongly would encourage people who have....strong opinions about that conversion from four to three-lanes to come speak, express your views, and we'll consider what you have to say and then we...we'll vote on it, but that's gonna take place ne...two weeks from now, on the 29th of May. Please, if you wanted to add, go ahead! Taylor: (mumbled)thinking about it's more kind of a point of clarification. I think, Geoff, I've talked to you about this, uh, the...I'm not so concerned about the right turn onto Benton, but I....my neighbors have been talking about, and where I've only seen traffic congestion is trying to turn the, uh, southbound traffic trying to turn left onto Benton and I didn't see that in here again, but I would hope that, uh, that would also be in the proposal, that there needs to be that left turn onto Benton This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 11 with a light, and then also the concerns about that convenience store, uh, slash gas station that has the two entrance/exits. That...that's just not gonna work with that. Fruin: Yeah, so at...at the public hearing on the 29th, we'll have the Public Works Director, or the...or the City Engineer, come and present an overview of the project, and we can get details on that intersection analysis and why we landed on the...the plans that we have, and if you've got questions or concerns with those, you know, that's....that's the point to express those, and either delay the project and instruct us to...to move forward with some different changes or....move forward based on our rationale. Taylor: Refresh my memory, do we have traffic counts for Mormon Trek? Fruin: Sure! Yes, we do. Taylor: Okay. Good. Good. Froin: If you recall there's some State funding in this project, and that State funding was predicated on, uh, a safety analysis and so there's....there's a lot of good data that supports the...the rationale behind the project. Item 4d(2)Asphalt Resurfacing—US Hwy 1 (Burlington Street and Governor Street) 2018 - Resolution awarding contract and authorizing the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest a contract for construction of the Asphalt Resurfacing 2018—US Hwy 1 (Burlington Street and Governor Street) Project Throgmorton: I'd like to note two other items that concern roads that are on our Consent Calendar. Item 4d(2) is an asphalt resurfacing project for Governor and parts of Burlington Street, and it's authorizing a contract with a particular firm to do that asphalt resurfacing. So that's gonna be a lengthy....it's gonna cover a large part of(laughs) Governor Street and, I don't know, two or three blocks of Burlington Street. So, that's gonna happen. Item 4d(5) McCollister Boulevard—Gilbert Street to Sycamore Street— Resolution approving, authorizing and directing the Mayor to execute and the City Clerk to attest an Agreement by and between the City of Iowa City and AECOM to provide engineering consultant services for the McCollister Boulevard—Gilbert Street to Sycamore Street Project This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 12 Throgmorton: Item 4d(5) is a resolution authorizing a contract with a firm to provide engineering services for the design of McCollister Boulevard, from South Gilbert to South Sycamore, and I know that quite a few people who live on the south side of Iowa City have wanted that road to be built, so we're, you know, takin' the first major step in that direction. Item 4e(3) Creekside Park Improvements 2018 -Resolution setting a public hearing on May 29, 2018 on plans, specifications, form of contract, and estimate of cost for the construction of the Creekside Park Improvements 2018 Project, directing City Clerk to publish notice of said hearing, and directing the City Engineer to place said plans on file for public inspection. Throgmorton: Uh, 4e(3) has nothing to do with roads,but we are scheduling a public hearing May 29 again on re...uh, on requests for bids concerning the Creekside Park improvement project, and I'm...pretty sure that people who live out near Creekside Park, I don't know if there are any around here (laughs) will....will really enjoy seeing the work done. All right, any further discussion about the Consent Calendar? Salih: No. Throgmorton: Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 13 Item 5. Community Comment(items not on the agenda) [until 8 pm] Throgmorton: Anyone who would like to address any topic that's not on the formal meeting agenda should feel free to come up and speak to us now. It has to be a topic that's not on the formal meeting agenda (laughs) and please take not more....state your name and then take not more than five minutes please. McGuire: Uh, Linda McGuire and I'm here just to report, um,to the Council, um, a donation that the Northside, uh,Neighbors made to the Iowa City Parks and Recreation Foundation today. Um, there was a yard sale, a neighborhood yard sale, and uh, and we had agreed that, uh, some of our proceeds, um, would go to, back to the City, uh, for your generosity or...for your vote anyway of...of, uh, the upgrade to Happy Hollow Park, and so um...uh, there was a bake sale and a yard sale and some other generous,uh, donators and we made a contribution of $10,575 today. (several responding) Throgmorton: Good news! (applause) Anybody else have any good news to offer? (laughter and several talking) All right, I'm not seeing anyone else. So we'll turn to Item 6, Planning and Zoning Matters. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 14 Item 6. Planning and Zoning Matters Item 6a Rezoning Camp Cardinal Boulevard and Deer Creek Road—The Grove—Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 7.84 acres from Interim Development Research Development Park (ID-RP) zone to Planned Development Overlay/Low Density Multifamily (OPD/RM12) zone located west of Camp Cardinal Boulevard and east of Deer Creek Road. (REZ17- 00015) a) Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Good evening, Bob Miklo. Hi! Miklo: Hello, urn, would like to start off showing you the location of the property. As noted, it's on the, uh, west side of Camp Cardinal Boulevard. It's east of Deer Creek Road, and also east of, urn, Highway 218. Here's a photograph of the property as viewed from the intersection of Deer Creek Road and Camp Cardinal Boulevard, and note, uh, the trees on....on, urn, this photograph. I'll talk about those in a....in a bit. Urn, and this is a photo taken from Deer Creek Road looking, uh, east towards the, uh, the property. And then this photo is taken from Camp Cardinal Boulevard looking south, uh, towards the property, and again those trees on the....on the left, um, are part of the plan....part of the plan is to preserve those. Uh, you might also note the, uh, pond, uh,just behind the car. I'll....I'll discuss that in a....in a bit. Urn, this is a photo looking from Deer Creek Road, or from the property, back towards Highway 218, which is west of the property. The, uh, Comprehensive Plan for this area, um, refers to the, uh, Deer Creek, or excuse me, the Camp Cardinal Boulevard master plan, uh, which talks about, um....conservation design in this particular area. The plan speaks, uh, about the possibility of.....of office park as a, urn, as the first land use adjacent to Highway 218 and then that(clears throat)um, transitioning to,urn, residential, uh, the idea being the office, uh,might serve as a buffer, uh,between the highway and the residential. But a, uh, a previous version of a Comprehensive Plan talked about, uh, the difficulty or the lack of demand for office in this part of the city, so questioned, uh, whether office was a viable use here. Urn, the, urn.....urn.... Planning and Zoning Commission,uh, to address the concern about a buffer between Highway 218 and this property, urn, did recommend approval of a plan that includes a greater setback from the western property line and that, uh, setback area or that buffer area, according to the plan,will be planted with a, uh, variety of trees including evergreens and deciduous. The,uh, conditional zoning agreement calls for the City Forester to approve that plan,um, so that it is...is This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 15 designed to help create a buffer. The, uh, conditional zoning agreement also, urn, calls for, uh, approval of a sound mitigation plan, uh, to be prepared by an acoustical engineer prior to a...a building permit. And it's anticipated that that plan will include things such as laminate windows and sound mitigating materials such as masonry, uh, and stone, urn, on the exterior of the building. Uh, the Planning and Zoning Commission also recommended, uh, that the,uh, the, uh, project include some outdoor, usable open space, um, so there were four deck areas added to the plan. Sorry, the cursor isn't showing those, but they're on the, uh, north side of, uh, the property, uh, along the fire access road and there are four individual, uh, outdoor deck areas that overlook the pond. Um, this...the decks and, um....um.....pond areas are somewhat shielded from the highway by the slope of the land and also the, uh, buildings that are proposed will, um, will help shield those. Urn, here are some illustrations of the,uh, of the photos, which show that they will be a...a combination of....of, uh, masonry or stone, and a, uh, a wood or like, um....um, siding, uh, material. Um, the plan also includes a, uh, tree preservation plan for the, uh, the....the woodlands along, uh, Camp Cardinal Boulevard, urn, and this is a view of, uh, of the east side of the property which shows the woodlands. Most of those woodlands will be preserved as part of this plan. I believe approximately 55% of the woodlands on the property will be preserved. Um, Planning and Zoning Commission after, um, several meetings, uh, and reviewing different variations of the plan have recommended approval with the conditional zoning agreement and those con...conditions are intended to, uh, help create a buffer between the highway and the....and the building, and als .....these buildings, and also, urn....um, have a building design that is appropriate for what the Commission thought was a....a major entry to the I....uh, City of Iowa City. Be happy to try to answer any questions. Mims: Bob, when it comes to the design standards,my understanding that was kind of, one of the big issues in...in the delays with Planning and Zoning. My concern is ....developers and their architects put in a lot of time and money to come up with designs, based on the standards that we have in place. I guess my question is, do you....do you think we need to change those designs, those design standards? Do we need to have different design standards for different locations like entries into the city? It....it seems like....it seems like we have developers and their architects trying to design to what we have in place, and then P&Z is saying that that's not good enough, and I'm....I'm trying not to be critical of either one cause I'm not saying those hired designs aren't good and beneficial for the community, but I think it's always difficult if you lay out one set of standards and then you tell people after they've spent tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars that that's now This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 16 not good enough for this particular location because it's an entry into the city, and so I'm....I'm just interested in (both talking) Miklo: Sure. In terms...in terms of...of my view or staff's view, I think in most cases the design standards are....are adequate and, uh, do pro...produce appropriate designs for their locations. In this particular, uh, location, Planning and Zoning was concerned because the proposal was to add, uh, or to grant some waivers to allow taller buildings in....in this particular area. Uh, they also recognize this as being a fairly difficult site, um, the way that it's, um, wedged in between the highway and Camp Cardinal Boulevard. Um, also the, uh, recognizing the....the importance of Camp Cardinal Boulevard and the beauty of that....that street and the....the character of that street, uh, they thought that there needed to be a....um, a....a close scrutiny to the design of these buildings. And that's how this particular design came about. Mims: Thank you. Throgmorton: Is...I couldn't tell from the maps. Is there, um, a sidewalk that children can use to walk up to Borlaug School? Miklo: Yes. There's a fairly extensive...of course there is the sidewalk on Camp Cardinal Boulevard. Uh, there will be a sidewalk, uh, that goes up Deer Creek, uh, Road, uh, to provide access to the buildings with an internal, um, walkway system, and then there's also a walkway that will go back towards the, um, the fire lane in the back of the building, to provide access to the outdoor, uh,recreational areas. This is....the code generally requires a, uh, sidewalk to a public street,but given the topog...uh, the topography here, uh, that would be quite difficult and, uh, would result in, urn, more grading and removal of trees, so it was felt that this design was probably a better approach, even though it's a fairly long way, uh, for a pedestrian to get back to the,uh, sidewalk and Camp Cardinal Boulevard. Uh, it was felt that that was better than cutting into the slopes and the woodlands along there. Thomas: So, Bob, the....the sidewalk along the....west side is not continuous, correct, I mean it....only goes as far as (both talking) Miklo: It goes to the entry of....of the development. Um, and the...the reason for that is in the long-term we anticipate that....uh, Deer Creek Road will, uh, likely be abandoned or vacated north of this property. Other than this propal...property, the only, uh,properties served by Deer Creek Road is the quarry, and the thought is This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 17 that when that quarry closes sometime in the future, that road will no longer be necessary. Thomas: So....so pedestrians or bicyclists would walk or ride their bike back to Camp Cardinal, correct? Miklo: Correct. Thomas: And...currently there is no continuous sidewalk along the west side of Camp Cardinal. Miklo: No (both talking) as development occurs (both talking) will be one built, and you may recall within the past year we did approve a subdivision just to the north of this. Thomas: Uh huh. Miklo: And that(mumbled) bring the sidewalk, and then there's one more phase of that development, which will complete the sidewalk on the west side. Thomas: So un....until those pieces are in place.....pedestrians and bicyclists will have....will have, well maybe not bi....well I guess bicyclists as well, will have to cross Camp Cardinal, correct? Miklo: That's correct. Thomas: Yeah. Taylor: Could you clarify, Bob, the...the size of the units. I was thinking I was reading that it...one and two-bedroom units. That doesn't sound like family units to me. Miklo: Um, it's my understanding that they will be one and two-bedroom units. There are 110 total. Um....uh, and the parking is set up for one and two-bedroom units. It would be possible that they could introduce three-bedroom units cause the parking requirement is the same for one and two. Um, in terms of, uh, other than parking, in terms of zoning, we generally don't get into the number of....of bedrooms. So it...it's possible a developer could add three-bedroom units if they chose. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 18 Throgmorton: Any other questions for Bob? Thank you, Bob. Would anyone else like to address this topic? Seeing no one I'm going to close the public hearing. No, uh, before I do that, I wanna (laughs) sorry! I wanna ask you whether you are inclined to su....uh, vote consistently with the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation...to approve the rezoning. (several responding) Taylor: Well they certainly gave this a lot of thought. It seemed like they deferred it several times and continue to get further information on it. Throgmorton: All right so....given that, I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Could I have a motion please? b) Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) Botchway: So moved. Mims: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Mims. Discussion? Cole: I really like this development. What I love about the path that we're on, especially on our west side (clears throat) is we're getting some very nice density. I mean you're talking about 110 units, multi-family. Urn, it's close to other large single-family houses, which we (mumbled) only to be that but it's a nice mix of incomes. Urn, I like the design. Um, I think I understand where your concern is, Susan, that we wanna make sure that we're not making the developers have to modify too much, um,but that said, it seemed like it was a really healthy process, thoughtful process, that P&Z engaged in...to get a real targeted, uh, concept for this spot. So I think it's a great development! Mims: My only concern, Rockne, is...it may have been a really healthy process for P&Z, but when it happens this way it tends to be a very expensive process (both talking) Cole: I understand that. Mims: ...for developers, and when we talk about trying to make things as affordable as possible, when they spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on design, and then our design standards are sufficient, and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have been better in this location. I'm not trying to criticize this particular one. I'm trying to talk about our process, and...if we need higher standards then we This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 19 should develop higher standards. Otherwise, to me, if developers come in with something that meets our standards, then that shouldn't be a....shouldn't be a factor in the rezoning. It should be what is...what is the appropriate land use, not what is the design. Otherwise we need to look at our design standards. Throgmorton: I'd say you raise an important point, Susan, but I would look at it, uh, quite differently. Uh, it seems to me on the face of it, this is not a good site for residential development. Now why do I say that? Uh, because there are two heavily traveled roads, very close by. That means it's gonna be, unless something's done, it's gonna be very noisy. There's gonna be a substantial amount of, uh, small par...particulate matter comin' from the roadway traffic, probably roadway dust of all types, uh, and so on. So it seems to me that the Commission did exactly what we would want them to do, which is to make the initial proposal much better than it was at the start. And yes I agree that there are some costs associated with that, I recognize that, but it was needed, and I...I think the project, somehow in some sort of a...an ideal world, could be a lot better, or different,but I really admire the energy and intelligence that our Commissioners put into this project, and the way they just worked their way through it and identified what they thought were the most important community values. It needed to be articulated in the final proposal and they got to a point where they could vote 7-0 in favor of it. Mims: But see what I would say again from a process standpoint then is maybe we need different design standards. One of the comments that they made repeatedly was, this was an entryway into Iowa City and one of the first things that people see. So, my question is, do we....should we have different design standards for sites that are on entryways into the community? If this is, if we are doing multi-family and major development near, uh, high volume,high traffic volume roads, should we have different design standards? Again, to me, it comes back to the process where we tell people that these are the design standards,but then they get into the middle of it and we tell them, for very good reasons, no we want it different. It costs them a lot more money. I think in those cases we need to go back and say, okay, one set of design standards isn't good enough for the community. You know, we....maybe we need to have different sets of design standards based on other externalities for the sites. Entry into the community, traffic volumes within a certain distance, etc. That's my point. Throgmorton: Yeah, interesting point. I...I'd just follow up on one part of it. I think you're drawin' attention to the importance of context, and how context....in many cases This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 20 should largely influence the design of structures, and that may be sort of forgotten or omitted in our codes. Yeah. Taylor: I agree with what, um, you're saying, Mayor,but I agree with Rockne also that, uh, it's great to see the west side developing, but I think, urn, Susan,there was more to, uh, P&Z's concerns than just the design standards. I mean I'm....I'm really concerned, I read several times that it's a challenging property and Bob himself said (mumbled) fairly difficult site, and it's just sort of this unusual site and I keep wondering are we just throwing developments into any sort of green space that's available,just to put something there? I mean why can't we just leave it the green space? Why is it so important that we develop it? Um,because it is challenging. It's so close to 218 and I just can't imagine. I think someone had written that they live on the west side and hear traffic, and I do too and I live half mile away from it and I...I can hear it, especially if my windows are open, and...and the fumes and you're talkin' about havin' green space and patios and ....are people really going to sit out there when you've got the fumes and...and the noise? I...I just don't think....I don't think so. So I think there was more to it than...than the design standards, and yes, that was a big part of it. Mims: Then that comes back to land use. Taylor: Right. That's true. Mims: Not design standards. Throgmorton: Anyone else? Thomas: I, yeah, I, this was an interesting one to...to look at. We had, uh, by my count 68 pages of; uh, documentation,uh, covering the seven meetings of Planning and Zoning, so there really was an extended process—four formal meetings, three work sessions—uh, and you know, as....as we've heard on our discussion here, I....I think some of the issues seem to be that the applicant was looking at in....in effect a variance on the setbacks off the interstate, uh, and.....Planning and Zoning was just challenging whether that was an appropriate thing to do, given the impacts of....of such a variance. Uh, one thing I've emphasized for some period is....is the idea of what's sometimes referred to as usable open space. That was another issue that,uh, carried over on a number of those, um, those P&Z meetings. I would certainly support, uh, looking at....cause I do think, Susan, if... if an issue recurs on application after application, uh, it may be that we do need to look at revising our plans, and I know we have usable open space in This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 21 certain parts of Iowa City—Riverfront Crossings is one example. I certainly believe sociability, especially when you're talking about 110 units, uh, in a relatively isolated location, you know, where you do not have access to parks or schools for that matter, uh, I think Borlaug's about a mile away, uh, that you... the need for on-site gathering spaces and outdoor spaces becomes more critical, um, and that was incorporated into the plan. I think it was sited in a good location and away from the highway, facing the, um, the, uh....detention pond. So I think the conversations....that were held at those meetings were productive, but they were extended, um....but this was a challenging site. Salih: I just wanna give like big shout out to the Planning and Zoning and all the hard work they have done and I think that they have to go through to make this project really good. Uh, as Rockne said, I really like the three multi-family buildings, uh, with 110 units. That's really will increase, you know, the low-cost housing, in general, and try to solve some houses crising. That's really good. Um, I'm very proud about this project, and but also as Susan said, um, maybe to make even the Planning and Zoning(unable to understand) if we can also review those so, you know, requirement so they can make their job easy. Botchway: Yeah, I would agree I appreciate what the Planning and Zoning Commission did, I mean it made my job easier from seeing all that deliberation and ultimately answering a lot of questions for me, um, you know, that I ultimately have to, you know, kind of jump out of body sometimes to make sure I'm thinking of the particular Councilor perspectives. I usually throw out John if it's in relation to trees or open space, and so having that conversation beforehand provided a lot of the answers, for me, that just made it a lot easier to make a decision on. Um, I do agree with Susan's point though, I mean we've brought this up....or I may have brought this up during the strategic planning session or along those lines is that, you know, I....this property was tough and so I'm thinking more in general as we think about, um, the range of topics tonight even. Um, we may want to consider some type of evaluative process, and we may currently have one in place, urn, towards our designers or developers,just to know from an evaluative standpoint what the process looks like. Is this a...is this an open process? Do you feel comfortable with this process? I just think it would be important to get some of that feedback, urn,before we may make potential changes or have some different conversations as far as that design criteria because I've been hearing that a lot, and I want to make sure that, um, we can look at some of that information, but support for the project. Urn, Maz and, um, Rockne already mentioned the fact that it's multi, uh, a number of different units. Uh, I think there's been some concerns. Pauline, I know you brought up some concerns, not necessarily relative to this This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 22 site, but some other sites that we've talked about in the Camp Cardinal area, that had some different range of options,but I would say this one I like because of the number of units and the density that can provide, you know,more affordable options, particularly in this neighborhood, which I....I just have some concerns about related to affordability. So, excited! Throgmorton: Any other comment? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-1. Throgmorton in the negative. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 23 Item 6. Planning and Zoning Matters Item 6b Rezoning between Burlington and Court Street—Pentacrest Garden Apartments—Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 3.41 acres from High Density Multifamily Residential(RM-44) zone to Riverfront Crossings- South Downtown Subdistrict (RFC-SD) zone located at 12 E. Court Street. (REZ18-00014) a) Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Miklo: As noted, this property's located, uh, between Burlington and Court Street, urn, it's, urn, east of Madison and, uh....uh, west of Clinton Street. It is the site of the, uh....uh, Penda...Pentacrest Garden Apartments, uh, which were built as an urban renewal, uh, project,uh,back in the 1970s. As part of that project, uh, Capitol Street was vacated by the City and closed to traffic, although a view corridor was, uh, retained for views of the old....old capitol. Urn,this is a photo of the current state of the property. Urn, Capitol Street, uh, to the south, uh....um, or ends at this point. It previously continued on to the...to the north, and if these trees weren't here, you'd be able to see, uh, the old capitol in this photo. Uh, this is a....a photo from the intersection of Capitol Street and Burlington, looking south, um, showing the, uh, existing, um....um, buildings on the property. Uh, the proposed rezoning will allow this,uh, property to develop at a more, uh, dense, uh, mid-to high-rise type of development. Urn (clears throat) that development was contemplated and planned for in the, uh, Downtown and Rivercro...front Crossings, uh,master plan. Uh, the plan specifically identified, uh, this property, uh, as appropriate for a higher density,possibly student housing, given its location close to the campus. Uh, the plan also called, uh, or calls for the reopening of Capitol Street, uh, as a, uh, street carrying traffic. Um, the applicant has agreed to a conditional zoning agreement,uh, which would provide for the,urn, the rededication of right-of-way, uh, for the opening of Capitol Street, and also has agreed, uh,build the street to the, uh, specifications approved by the City Engineer,uh, for the street. Uh, they have submitted a, uh, concept plan, showing it, uh, as a, uh, two-lane street, uh, with parking on....on both sides. Urn, this is very conceptual in nature. It's likely that the actual, uh, plan would include turn lanes at the, uh, intersection with Burlington Street. Urn, it is also possible there'll be some sort of....of driveway to the eastern, uh, part of the development from Capitol Street, and that may be necessary just given the topography and grade. It...it's, uh, would be difficult to achieve underground parking, uh, by This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 24 coming from the, uh, the east, and we would not want another curb cut on Burlington or, uh, Court Street, uh, so therefore it's....um, highly likely there'll be some sort of, uh, traffic on this street. The, um....form based code, uh, that would be applied with the Riverfront Crossings zone,uh, would,uh, or will allow, uh, an eight-stor....or eight-story buildings on these properties, and I would point out that this concept doesn't show an actual building design. It just shows the potential maximum footprint. Um....the, uh, form based code will require that there be some building articulation and stepbacks, uh, to break up the....the mass of the building. Um, as noted, uh, up to eight stories could be built under the form based code. Uh, there's the possibility of additional, uh, bonus heights that could be approved by the staff, uh, form based,uh, review committee, and up to additional, uh, an additional five stories could be approved under a level two review, which is a City Council level review. Uh, so the maximum that would ....potentially occur here would be 15 story buildings and that would require that the plan come back to you for....for your approval. The Planning and Zoning Commission was concerned about approving, uh, a potential high-density high- rise, uh,building, or set of buildings, on this property, without seeing at least a concept plan. So they've recommended that, urn, that, uh, a....a conditional zoning agreement require that, um, the future plans for these two,uh, sites, or this property, come back to them for a review and approval. Um, and again, if level two review is required, uh, those plans would also, um, or in that case Planning and Zoning Commission would be making a recommendation, but you as the Council would have ultimate approval of, uh, those designs. Um, and I would note that based on the intentions of the....of the current owner and potential developer, they are anticipating, uh, larger buildings that would require Council, uh,review. Um.....the form based code, uh, does require, uh, usable open space, uh, based on...on bedroom, uh,bedroom count. Um, and the applicant has indicated that they plan to do that on, uh,rooftop terraces on perhaps some of the lower and as well as some of the higher levels of the building. Uh, they have submitted, uh,this illustration, or photograph, of the type of....of building that they....that they contem....contemplate and how they might, uh, satisfy that open space requirement, but again this is just a....a photograph of another building. It's the,uh, the....the type of, uh, building they would like to build here, although a specific building hasn't been designed. Um (clears throat) there is a conditional zoning agreement that the, uh, that does contain the conditions I mentioned regarding re, uh, opening of Capitol Street, um, and uh....review by the Planning and Zoning Commission, uh, and also, uh, improving the,uh, or installing the streetscape improvements for Court Street and uh, Burlington Street. I'd be happy to try to answer any questions. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 25 Throgmorton: Are there any questions for Bob? Thank you, Bob. Would anybody else like to address this topic? Hi, how ya doin'? Decker: Rob Decker, I'm the project manager for the owner. Urn,just really quick, uh, as Bob mentioned, he did a really good job (laughs) most of the things I was gonna say, but urn, obviously this is already in the....in the regulating plan (mumbled) south downtown sub-district and we're just asking for the, really the formality of rezoning this so that we can get to the next step where the intention is to provide you with a....with a project packet, where the team is putting together a conceptual elevation streetscape looks, urn, and go through the....the process of...of, um, getting things in front of you for urban renewal, and as he said the form based code committee, so that we can really bring this back to you and you can do all the things that the....the Planning and Zoning Commission was asking for, and that's the....the full intent of the owner to do that, in probably one, maybe even more, uh, additional meetings, so.....through Planning and Zoning and you guys as well, so....I just wanted to state that again. So.... Cole: Is it really just a cost issue that we can't get it now? Decker: Oh yeah! Cole: Okay. Decker: Yeah, I mean it's that....and....and that is, it is such a high-level, urn, it's such a high-level project that the....not high-level project, but high-level of quality, it's such a massive scale that,um....those processes are so early in the...he just wants to sort of get this through as a formality so that he can kinda get on to the next steps and really....and start to sort of spitball what those things are gonna look like, right, knowing full well that that is going to result in everybody looking at it again. So.....and it is....you're correct, I mean that's the primary. That's the primary(mumbled) it's very similar to what you were talking about in the previous issue. So..... Throgmorton: Any other questions? Thanks! Decker: Thanks! Throgmorton: Anyone else? All right, so I need to ask you whether you are inclined to vote in accordance with the Commission's recommendation, and before you indicate I wanna tell you what I, uh,believe. I am inclined to oppose the rezoning. Unless This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 26 something else happens in the interim. I think this application is premature and insufficient. I worry that by approving this rezoning we would in effect be authorizing an unknown number of residences in perhaps just two large buildings of unknown height. This is our one chance to have a significant influence on the project. To wait for the moment when we review the final design for, uh, for, uh, height bonus approval, I think is far too late in the process. We'd find ourselves in an awkward position of perhaps disagreeing with our staff,perhaps disagreeing with the developer, and then.....pretending that we know more than our staff does, etc. I don't wanna find ourselves in that position. I strongly believe that we need to have before rezoning this property a much more...precise understanding of what the developer would like to do on the property. And, you know, in terms of height, number of buildings,uh, streetscape elements, I don't know, a variety of things like that. In turn, I think it would be fair for us to indicate to the developer what we think the project needs in order to gain our approval. So I have some prela...preliminary thoughts, but, uh, we can skip them for....for the moment anyhow. Uh, I....I think, given what I just said, it would be very helpful for us and for the developer to dedicate a work session to this proposal, much like we did with regard to the Forest View Comp Plan amendment and the design of Augusta Place, so that we get interaction between the developer and us, and can, uh, share our,uh, various perspectives and get a...somethin' that the developer can feel confident we would approve. So, that's my view at the moment, and I'm very curious to know what you think, not so much about my view but about what your own view is and so on, with regard to my basic question—do you support what the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended? Mims: I do. And the reason I do....you know,the City went through a whole long process of charrettes in terms of developing the Riverfront Crossings area, um, getting the form based code in place. The City even took the initiative to rezone property in the Riverfront Crossings area, without the, um, application of property owners. We took that initiative, um, property owners didn't oppose it, but they didn't have to ask for it. We went ahead and did it because we really wanted to try and jumpstart some of that development down there, which we felt was incredibly valuable to the City as a whole, to vitalizing that area...south of Burlington. What this property owner is asking for at this point in time is nothing more than rezoning from the current to the Riverfront Crossings zoning. Okay? Which is what we have said we want, south of Burlington. That has been what this Council has said through many iterations of rezonings,the....the charrettes, which hundreds of members of this community were involved in. There are ample opportunities,um, and I think Bob, uh, listed those very clearly in terms of what the developer and property owner will have to come back for if they want This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 27 anything more than eight stories. Um, I think that's very clear to them that, you know, they're....they've got eight stories. If they want the two extra, they've gotta get,uh, approval at staff level for that design. If they wanna go past the two bonus to anything potentially....an additional five, if they wanted to go that high, but anything above those two bonus, they have to come to Council. Okay? And...so we have that opportunity. I think to sit here and say, oh,but we need to have that now or we're....we're basically telling them it's all okay....these are smart people! They get it! They know what it's gonna take to get this done, and to ask them to literally put hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is what I've heard from other developers, out right now for designs when, and we wouldn't ....and we won't even rezone it to the zoning that we want, without them doing that, um, I....I think is really....really disingenuous from this Council. I think we owe them,uh,the opportunity to get this rezoned Riverfront Crossings and then have staff and P&Z and...and it sounds like ultimately the Council working with them as they go forward to....to get the designs that are satisfactory for this location. Taylor: I appreciate your comments, Susan, but I'm inclined to go along with the Mayor's comments. I....I'm just really uncomfortable with too many unknowns with this, uh, proposal and.....I think we need to be cautious about, uh....um, approving anything at this point, uh,this is a very significant location in....in the downtown area, and there's....there are many historical landmarks, the County Courthouse is nearby,the, um, Old Capitol is nearby, and to....dwarf those things with....with tall buildings, I....I just,there's....we don't know how tall they're going to go and....and..... Mims: Nothing over eight without staff and/or Council approval! Taylor: Even eight, I think, is...is tall, for this area, but I know.... Mims: That is what Riverfront Crossings (both talking) Taylor: ...but if...if we rezone it to Riverfront Crossings. Mims: I...I (both talking) Taylor: ....just my opinion. Mims: I don't, I can't sit here and understand, from a Council perspective, when we've had hundreds of people go through charrettes and develop this Riverfront This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 28 Crossing, and develop form based code, and all we are doing tonight is talking about land use. We are not talking about design. That will come back to us. This was approved as appropriate land use for south of Burlington, through incredible public input. And I think it's an incredible disservice to a property owner to say, oh yeah, we did it then but we're not gonna do it now until you give us every last bit of design,which ultimately they're gonna have to do if they want any bonus on it. Throgmorton: It's important to note that many developers have already deviated from the Riverfront Crossings plan several times, with our authorization. Mims: With authorization. Throgmorton: Uh,but they had to come to us, to deviate from the plan. So the plan, for example the, uh, the area where we were going to have,uh, a large square,between a railroad station and the other railroad track to the south, it's not there anymore. And, moreover, we did....when we approved,uh, form based code, we did not know that a 15-story student housing structure would be built at Court and Linn Street. So we built into the form based code an 'up to five story bonus' for student housing. Up to five stories. But we didn't know this other building was gonna be constructed, and then there....now there it is! It's going up. So, I think those factors need to be taken into account as well. Botchway: My(several talking) Oh, go ahead! Bob, can you come back up? Is this appropriate? I just....just kind of walk me through the process again as far as how it's coming back to us. Dilkes: Sure! Botchway: Okay, I just wanna make sure. Can you just walk us, I mean...so right now, as Susan has mentioned, we're focused on the rezoning to Riverfront Crossings. I'm just more focused on how this is gonna come back to us, and our potential objections or approvals at...at each of those junctures. Miklo: Um, as drafted with the conditional zoning agreement, um, any development on this site will require approval of the Planning and Zoning Commission. Um, anything above eight floors or eight stories will require, um, awarding of bonus points and those, um....um,would require....or those would be reviewed by the staff form based committee,uh, as well as Planning and Zoning. Anything above that will require, urn, Council approval. So anything above 10 stories, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 29 automatically requires Council approval for those bonus floors. And, during that process the Council can weigh into the design or can determine that those bonus provisions or floors aren't appropriate and therefore not approve the design or negotiate something through that process. I...I would like to point out that, um, just for your information, we did rezone a large area surrounding this to Riverfront Crossings. The City initiated that, um, we did not include this particular property for one reason, and that is, uh....uh, wanting to have the ability to negotiate the reopening of Capitol Street. Um....and that's what's....part of this....this recommendation from staff and Planning and Zoning Commission, and that's being fulfilled with this conditional zoning agreement. Botchway: Bob, before you leave, oh,before you leave, again (mumbled) that the Planning and Zoning Commission looks at it,but ultimately when does it come back to us? You talked about if it's to go to 10 stories it automatically gets Council approval, but what are the two....when would it come back to us? Miklo: Yeah, if there's a proposal to build more than 10 stories, it would require....this, the design come back to the City Council. Mims: But I think the other key thing Bob just said is any design has to be approved by P&Z. That was part of the conditional zoning agreement. Miklo: Right. Right. Throgmorton: It has to be seen by P&Z. Did they say they(several talking) approve it? Miklo: Yes, I believe that's what the conditional zoning agreement says. Throgmorton: All right, that's important to know. Salih: I just wanna ask you, how high...just remind me about the Riverfront Crossing, how high we can go, they can go I mean. Mims: Depends on the area. Miklo: The...the, for this particular property, the zone,uh, contemplates up to 15 floors. There will also have to be Federal Aviation approval, given the Airport(both talking) uh, so and I think that's where we came up with the 15 floor cap. It can't be more than 15 floors under any circumstances. It may actually be a little bit This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 30 less, based on FAA, uh....um, concerns, but it....we believe that approximately 15 floors will be possible on this property. Botchway: Bob, can you go back to the clear, more clear pictures of the street? Cause I'm just tryin' to make sure I'm....I know the property but....just make sure I'm looking at it right. So.... Miklo: This is the view from Burlington Street. Botchway: No, not that one, the one you just passed (several talking) the....yeah! That one. So is there a building....um, what's the building going on....happening right here? There's a bui...sorry! I'm just pointing at the screen(laughter) I thought everybody knew! I thought everybody knew....so, in between, uh, on Madison, um, between Burlington and Court Street, there's a building going up right there. Miklo: Yes. Botchway: What's the size of that building? Miklo: Um....I'm not sure the exact number. It's...it's quite a tall building and it did, I believe.... Mims: I see eight fingers up in the back. (laughs) Botchway: Is it eight(several responding) Okay. That's what I....I wanted to kind of understand the.... Salih: (both talking) and you said...they can build up to eight without coming back to the Council. Miklo: That's correct. One possibility that you may consider is adding a condition to the, uh, conditional zoning agreement that any building,just...would have to come back to both Planning and Zoning and Council. Uh, that may give the, um....uh, developer enough assurance that they have the zoning in place to do at least an eight story building and, um.....and address your concerns about future review. Botchway: Eleanor, is that a, do we defer and then....come back or.... Dilkes: You'd have to continue the public hearing and then communicate with the developer about whether that was agreeable to them or not, and then....because This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 31 the conditional zoning agreement has to be signed before the close of the public hearing(both talking) Throgmorton: That sounds like a.....a possible pathway to me. Bob,thanks for suggesting it. I wanna make sure everybody understands, I am not saying I disagree with what the developer has in mind. What I'm....what I am saying is I have no idea what the developer has in mind. And I'm also saying that if we have....if the only place where we could exert any influence over the final design is the moment when the developer says I wanna go more than....get a density bonus of, or....height bonus of greater than two stories, then by that time it would have been too late! All we could do is vote yes or no, we couldn't influence. We would not be able to influence(both talking) Fruin: I think that's a flaw. If that's what the Council wants to get to then it's a flaw in our process, I mean, it wouldn't just apply to this property, because the whole idea of Riverfront Crossings is the massive upzoning. So if you want design review purview, urn, at....at a lower threshold than you have now, which is that level two design review, then....then I think you're talkin' a much bigger process or evaluation, uh, for....for design requirements. Throgmorton: This is the most massive site though that we'll see. I mean I don't, again, I don't know what the develop actually is proposing so I don't wanna exaggerate too much. Mims: I think the fact that they have agreed....uh, for P&Z to have....the right to review it....I think....I think that's quite a concession on the part of the developers and I think we should give, you know, credit to P&Z. Look at....look at the one we just talked about, and how much they went through on this Camp Cardinal project, and....the demands and....and review and stuff they did there. I think...I think it behooves us as Council Members to give some....some credit and respect to P&Z in terms of what they're doing and the CZA says P&Z has to approve the design. Even at eight stories they have to approve the design. Botchway: Yeah I mean this is a significant project, I mean I'm inclined to be supportive just in thinking of the other building that's built, um...whatever that...west or east is, sorry. Um (talking in background) west of the property. I do hear the concerns, but I also....I do also hear Geoff's statement about how deep in the weeds are we talking about going, and are we treating all properties favorably, and I understand your point, Jim, as far as this is a more sizable project than other projects that we This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 32 have considered, urn.....so, I would say....I like Bob's....oh....oh, I thought you disappeared. Sony! (laughter) Miklo: I'm not necessarily suggesting that. I was just....our staff is not necessarily recommending that. We had recommended approval. Uh, Planning and Zoning, um, using the form based code to guide the future development of this property. Planning and Zoning added the condition about Planning and Zoning review. I was just putting out a possible path,but staff is not necessarily endorsing, um, including Council review. Botchway: So I would...I appreciate that, Bob, cause I just, you know, labeled you as coming up with the idea, so I'll take the idea (laughter) um, basically I....I would like to see us, I mean, uh, defer, urn, leave the public hearing open, defer, urn, I'm not necessarily at Jim's level, but I do...I mean I'm hoping that we can come up with a happy medium from a language perspective, reach out to developer, urn, I just don't want to lose on a project because we have some concerns. I would like to see us....try to come to some common ground as far as potentially what we may see in this project. Um, and again, going back to what we previously talked about, cost and everything else. I just....I think we could wait on this, if...if possible, so we don't have a no vote on this particular situation. Thomas: I just wanna add a couple of other thoughts on this, and...and why I tend to support the idea of deferral. Uh, some of which relate to the context of this project. It's....immediately east of our new School of Music. It's, uh,just north of the County Courthouse. Uh, it's....what runs through it is, uh, Capitol Street, which is on axis with Old Capitol. Uh, it's a very significant north/south access in terms of the City's structure. Um....(talking in background) Jim mentioned the fact that we lost a significant piece of our Comp Plan in Riverfront Crossings with the, uh, the loss of that large, uh, park space to the south, which suggests to me maybe rethinking, or at least exploring other concepts for Capitol itself. Maybe it's a pedestrian street.....it's not, um, a public right-of-way where we treat it more as a conventional street with auto traffic. We have the example of Anne Cleary, uh, walkway on the north, which is on Capitol, the same street that we're referring to, uh, which I think has been a very successful model for, um, for Capitol, uh, north of Old Capitol building. So there....there seem to be...this is a very important site. I think there are a lot of issues that....that come to play with it. Uh, the images that...that are shown, and I understand these are just images, but ...these are the images that were presented and they're....I must say they...they kind of...throw me a little bit, um.....you know, we....we have the experience of The Rise. That's in complete compliance with our form based code. Uh, and I'm This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 33 not hearing a real strong, you know, in....in.....in my conversations with residents, uh,that that feels....like it's,you know, resolved all the issues through their form based coding. So....so I'm hesitant to....to sign off, even at the very preliminary level in terms of the, uh, you know, the....moving to the Riverfront Crossings code when it seems to me there's some very foundational elements that are still, uh, I think requiring further discussion before we...we do that. Cole: Eleanor....go ahead! Salih: Uh, for me I really prefer to defer it than to vote no for it. Because, you know, the concept of Riverfront Crossing as Susan said is like to give the chance to people to build high, but also the form based code and all those kind of things, and also as,um, you know, our Mayor said, we don't know what the, uh, we don't know what the plan for the, you know, the developer, what they have in mind. Maybe we can defer it and ask, you know, the developer to come and tell us about what they planning to do here. So we can....after that we can just make us....make our mind. Cole: Along those lines, Eleanor, if we deferred it, would we have the authority to do a work session with the developer or not? How....how does that work? What options we would have if we would defer it. Dilkes: Well you can schedule a meeting, a work session with the developer if that's what you wanted to do, but I....I think....that, I suggested continuation if you want to add a condition to the conditional zoning agreement. That would be the purpose of a continuance. If you do want to do that, then I think we should be clear about what that is now.....so we don't.....so we can say to the developer this will....if we add, and it's a very simple amendment. We would say if....it now says `obtain approval of exterior design elevations from the Planning and Zoning Commission,' and we would just add 'and City Council,' is that going to satisfy you with respect to design review? Salih: Uh huh. (several talking) Fruin: I'm hearin' a couple of different things here. I think you need to...to focus in and decide, is this a design review issue? Because if it is, I think the suggestion that Bob laid out, if....if you want more control over that, then I think that's probably the way to go. What I'm hearin' is not just a design review. It's a issue with the Comprehensive Plan. That....you know, what the developer's essentially saying is `we're gonna do what the Comprehensive Plan says, we're gonna....we're This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 34 going to dedicate Capitol Street to the City and we're gonna do two long, linear buildings arou...a...along Capitol Street, which is what the plan contemplated. If there's concerns about lack of open space or the height of buildings around the Courthouse, or any of those other things that have been articulated, that gets back to the plan, and I think you need to have a discussion...you....you need to move aside this issue and you need to have a discussion on what you want from that plan. If...if eight stories is uncomfortable, if 15 stories uncomfortable, that seems to be a bigger issue. I think the design review piece is rather simple. You....you get a look at it, urn, when it....when it comes back. Keep in mind the...the space right now is RM-44. It's our most dense district right now. Um, I haven't asked our staff to look at this, but I don't know if it's built to the maximum that it could be now, um, but....(clears throat) if we don't want the Riverfront Crossings district, we have to make sure that we're okay with the RM-44 district and whether this property stays as it is. I'm sure it's a profitable property. Or if it gets redeveloped under that district, and we potentially lose out on Capitol or any of the other things that we were trying to get through the Riverfront Crossings plan. Cole: I would at least, if we have the authority to do it, I would like to defer and have a work session for a conversation. Um, if we have the authority to do that, that's what I'd like to do. Um, I'll just say for me, I don't have a problem with eight stories. I don't have a problem with that. At least at this point. Um, but I would like to have more of a conversation about what the intent is. I understand the costs are extremely, in terms of the actual design, that's extremely expensive. I totally get that. Um, but I think the very technical term of`spitballing' was used, and....I think in terms of having this conversation, we can at least have a conversation about what the aspirations are. I don't intend to get into the weeds. I think...we didn't get into the weeds with the August Place. They gave us a little bit of...that was farther along, I admit that. Um,but I think even in terms of, I don't know where they got this photo, but....if there are other photos that they have in terms of at least aspirationally, I think that would help me guide my decision making in terms of sort of where we are. So, that's at least what I'd (several talking) Fruin: The aspirations of the developers, as we understand it, is to maximize density. So, I would assume they're gonna shoot for the 14, 15 stories, whatever they can... whatever they can get. Uh, the owners have, uh, they understand the height bonus provisions. They understand what their options are. They have density from other properties that they can transfer. Urn, so....I think their....I think their intention is to maximize density within the constraints of the Riverfront Crossings This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 35 plan. Urn, you know, there's....there's the usable open space provisions. There's the form based code, which includes setbacks and storefront types of regulations. So, you know, they haven't indicated to us that they....want to deviate from that. They wanna built to the form based code standards, at the maximum density they can, per the....per the plan. (both talking) Throgmorton: So.... Fruin: ...they can come in and articulate that at a work session. That's fine, but I think that's what you're gonna hear. Mikes: You know I'm havin' second (laughs)that this work session idea though. I mean we're in the middle of a public hearing. We weren't in the middle of a public hearing when we had a work session with August Place, and that was in connection with the fact that we were providing TIF to that development. So I... it's...I have some queasiness about....continuing a public hearing and then having a work session where the public can't....comment. I mean you can have that conversation with the developer at the continuation of the work session...or at the continuation of the public hearing. Like you often do! Throgmorton: But we might need to do just precisely that. I...I wanna be, try to be clear about a few other things. If I can remember them. I'm not interested in having a discussion with the developer about the details of the exterior design of the buildings themselves. I think that will be handled beautifully by the form based code. I don't wanna be doing form based code. I am interested in how many buildings they're gonna build, how tall the buildings will be, will they be of uniform height,two buildings of uniform height. I am interested in the....the Capitol Street extension, which I think is a great idea, but I'm interested in discussing whether it should be a pedestrian walkway or a...a road. So I'm interested in those things. And I'll note also that in the....April 16th work session of the Planning and Zoning Commission, Mike Hench noted that for a project of this size, hundreds of units collecting rents for 75 years, the applicant should be able to spend the money to have elevation and concept designs drafted. I think some kind of preliminary indication of what they have in mind...is necessary for us to do our job. And I'd say also, I'd have to disagree with ya Geoff. The Comprehensive Plan, the Riverfront Crossings plan, did not call for two long, tall buildings there. It...I mean we had a map that....that Bob showed us just a....a little bit ago, showing several maps, and we can't do exactly what that called for. Um...yeah. So....I wanted to say, make those points. So I think the question is, before us, uh, are we inclined to vote in accordance with the Commission's This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 36 recommendation. If not, we need to continue the public hearing and offer to consult with the Commission. Dilkes: You.....you can offer the consult. It's hard for me to believe that...if you just want to add `Council approval of the exterior design,' that they're gonna....we....what are you (both talking) Throgmorton: I'm not interested in approving the exterior design. I just said that, Eleanor. Dilkes: No, I understand that. My point is, what is the purpose for continuing the public hearing? Throgmorton: Hopefully(both talking) Dilkes: ...talked about amending the CZA; you've talked about....because you are or aren't going to vote....I don't know how many of you are not inclined to follow the recommendation of P&Z, so it's not for that reason. So.... Throgmorton: What I (both talking) as one member of this Council would like to see us do is have a conversation with the developer. About what the developer has in mind! And then we could share our ideas with the developer and maybe come up with something that a clear majority of us would agree to. Dilkes: So you want to continue the public hearing and have that conversation on the 29th. Throgmorton: Yeah. I...I, this, yeah. Yeah. Dilkes: Then there's not going to be a consult offered to P&Z, so we're simply going to continue it for the purpose of having that conversation with the developer, and to hear from any other members of the public. Throgmorton: Yeah. Dilkes: At the continuation of the public hearing. Throgmorton: That sounds like what I had in mind, yes. Mims: I'd like to know....what other Councilors want to hear from the developer. Cole: Ido. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 37 Mims: No, what do you want to hear from them is what I'm asking (both talking) Cole: ...whether we wanted to hear from (both talking) Mims: No, what....what you want, I mean (both talking) Cole: I want to have more of a clear idea as to what he, I'm answering your question, what the proposal's gonna look like, more of a conversation. We understand that we have the authority to do this, whether it's called a work session or public hearing. I would like to have more time to review this. So I would....be inclined to move....a public hearing. Mims: I guess my....concern is, if....if they...they have to follow the form based code. Jim, you just indicated you're not interested in getting into the weeds on the exterior design. They can't go over eight stories without...P&Z approval. They even have a CZA that is going to require P&Z approval. So.... Miklo: If I could,they can't build anything without P&Z approval. Mims: Right! I'm sorry, maybe I misstated that. So they, the CZA says they are gonna have P....have to have P&Z approval on the design. I just think if we're gonna defer this, I think....it behooves us to give them specific information or....or specific questions that we want answered. I am prepared to move forward on this now. I feel comfortable with the fact that this is going to Riverfront Crossings zoning, which has been approved in so many areas south of Burlington already, some of it is City initiative; that there is a form based code in place that had, as I've said before, input from hundreds of people; that the design itself has to have P&Z approval; urn, that anything beyond eight stories will have to have additional approval by P&Z; and anything over 10 stories will have to come back to us for design approval. Um, I am comfortable with that. I think there are enough checks and balances between P&Z and us for them to absolutely maximize, urn, their density, and quite frankly, I'd really like to hear back from staff, Geoff, of what they can do on this site without it being rezoned. Because we've had this... we've gotten bitten by this once, okay? On First Avenue we chose not to allow two or three multi-family buildings. I think all of us hoping that the developer would come back with maybe one or two more smaller multi-family buildings. And instead the developer said to heck with you guys; I'll just do what current zoning allows me and now we have about eight curb cuts along there for single- family homes. And I think one of the potentially absolute worst things that could This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 38 happen to this city is that this property owner and developer says the same thing. I am going to refuse to jump through....hoops that are above and beyond what current process really requires, and I will just maximize the density on this site as it is, without any rezoning, and the City staff and P&Z and Council will have ha...will have absolutely no say in what I do, in terms of design or anything else, and Capitol Street will not be reopened, and we could end up with....the biggest, ugliest...uh....situation there than what we could possibly want. I think the developer's being incredibly reasonable in asking for this rezoning, and I think we've got some great checks and balances going forward. The developer would like to comment. I don't know if you wanna allow him to or not. Botchway: Yeah, sure, I mean....come up, I just wanna make this quick statement. Well actually I'll wait! I'll wait and let him go first. Decker: I wanted to say, I can speak to a lot of the things you guys are asking on behalf of the developer. I just didn't because in our opinion it was...we were seeking more of the formality. It's not a question as to whether developer wants to or can spend the money doing that. He's planning to. He was just planning to do it at the next stage. It's also....I can also tell you that on behalf of the developer, that they are not planning....they....they want to come back to Council. They would ag....I can speak for them, freely, and that they would agree to that wholeheartedly. If...if that has to be a part of the agreement, they would agree to that. They're intending to do it anyway. They're intending to spend all of the money. It's not that they disagree with doing it now. It's just that we have laid out four phases of this project and that was phase two, with the assumption that the Riverfront Crossings is already established. Those heights and all those things you guys have done a good job of breaking down are already established, are already there. Geoff did a great job of describing that. They're not asking....that,they....I use the word formality, but they're really seeing it as that—like can we get through the formality because they...you did such a good job on the Comprehensive Plan, let's just tick that off the list so that we can move to....the idea is to provide an entire packet of what this project is, similar to The Rise. You guys saw that for The Rise. It's a 50 or 60-page, color packet of transferring Capitol Street, what the streetscapes would look like for what John said, which is are we....we've had those discussions with Bob. Are we gonna do two lanes? Are we gonna do four? Are we gonna do parking on the side? Are we gonna go to a....to an Anne Cleary walkway? Those are things we'll discuss with P&Z. The owner's open to all of them. He doesn't....from my discussions with them, I....I'm not sure they're really hell bent on one way or another. I think they....they just want to get the project done. They want to open up Capitol Street. They want to transfer that This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 39 right-of-way,that they're 100% agreeable to that. It's a 100-foot right-of-way, not a 66 which I think is a little more typical down there, right? Does that sound correct? So....we wanna do all those things, we wanna get into the, you know, stepping the building back at five stories. We have all those things in our mind, but it's very, very early and we were just planning to do that at the next stage, and never in our....never in the plan was it to not come back to Council, and I think that we....we're able to express that and I apologize for not saying that earlier. I was just,we were reviewing that. Susan's done a great job. It's a very formal, you know, a formality and we're just trying....assumed this would be a little more straightforward and kinda get to the next step and maybe that wasn't clear, that that's sort of the intention of the owner. That's why I wanted to speak again, because I heard you guys saying a lot of stuff that I'm able to answer....on behalf of the owner. So I hope that's a little more (both talking) Throgmorton: Do you think the owner would be willing, you and the owner,would be willing to come in two weeks from now and give us a....a more clear indication of what the owner has in mind? Decker: Sure! I think so, and he may say, you know, maybe I'll have you do some renderings now. We're gonna do them. So, us and the architectural team. So...I....I don't wanna speak for him. I haven't asked him that question, cause I don't think that was the plan, but I....I don't see that that would be a big....a big problem, um....continuing the discussion, um...you know, like I said the....the plan has been to do that all along and that's....that's pretty quick to get some... some pretty....I think we want to do some pretty high-level stuff,but if you guys are just kind of wanting to get a....a concept, that's what....I know Bob had those same discussions with 'em too and that's why he....he kind of picked out some images that were sort of conceptual to what he's sort of envisioning on that site, right? You've seen The Rise,you've seen sort of what that is, and so it's not a big stretch to think that there....somebody's gonna want to do something similar to that. I don't know if...there have been...we've been in discussions with the University too. The University is very interested in this,because it opens up, uh, what they are looking at for their parking lot down there that is next to the....the Johnson County Sheriff, that they....they have ultimate plans for and so they're very interested in opening up that corridor too, for student foot traffic, and....and there's a lot of parties involved that wanna see something happen here, and opening up Capitol is...is key to it, right? That's...that's the biggest piece of this and I think that's what they wanna transfer that, but they don't have to. You guys, once you started talking about, they might just sit on it and let it go. They've said that, if it's...if it's, and they're not saying it in any kind of....they This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 40 just, they wanna do it, the zoning makes sense. It seems like it should be a straightforward process, but I don't think they have to do it. It just....it's something they want to do. It's their oldest, I believe it's their oldest property and so it's kind of a....and John brought up a great point, you know, it's a corridor to the Old Capitol, that the site lines, opening up that, excuse me, opening up that view point would be very I think good for everybody. Throgmorton: Good, I think it'd be very fruitful to have that conversation with the developer. So if I'm understanding you correctly and if I've heard the....my fellow Council Members correctly, what we would like to do is continue the public hearing to May 29..... Decker: Sure! Throgmorton: ....in anticipation that you and the developer(both talking) Decker: Yep! (both talking) That's what it'll be, it'll probably be (both talking) Throgmorton: ...come and give us a clearer sense of what the developer has in mind. Decker: Yeah, I mean I think it would be just sort of an add-on to what sort of,with some additional....some additional visuals of what you've seen there. I mean you've heard 99% of what I just told you is that you just wanna...I think you guys are wanting to see more...more of the visual side of it, correct? Kind of how it's going to (both talking) Throgmorton: And have....and have...for me, have, speaking for myself, I mean, and have some conversation with the developer about a few things, I would think would be key, like with regard to that, uh, extended Capitol Street. Decker: Yep. Throgmorton: You're exactly right. That access to....north/south access to Old Capitol building is hugely important. Decker: Yeah. Throgmorton: For what the University wants to do south of Court Street. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 41 Decker: Yeah. Throgmorton: But the quality of landscaping, and whether there's a pedestrian walkway or a street matters. Decker: Yeah, and I....I know for a fact that he doesn't have an....they don't have an answer for that. And I think that's very deliberate. I think that's because they want to work with the City, and Geoff has probably had some discussions with them, towards a....towards the best solution. I don't think they're...you know, focused one direction or another. Fruin: The way the CZA's written, it's....it's our call. You know, we will determine whether we want that a pedestrian street or a, uh, vehicular street, and, you know, we weren't in a position, at least I didn't feel comfortable at this stage, giving that type of, you know, certainty, uh, within this rezoning because frankly I think it's going to require a lot of discussion with the University, and their future campus plans in the Riverfront Crossings area, um, and....and what they envision for, you know, the extension of the, potentially extension of the Anne Cleary walkway to the south, um....we need to do some traffic analysis to determine what opening up to vehicular traffic would...would do to that area and the larger Burlington corridor. So I....I'm just not prepared as....as staff to say what that should be, um....but ultimately I want that call to be the City's call, um, and....and have input from the developer, have input from the University, and the greater community, and....and determine that, and that's what the CZA reflects right now. So....we certainly won't....we won't be in a position to let you know what our thoughts are on that by the 29`a. That's something that will take several months to think about and to discuss with other stakeholders. Botchway: Yeah, let me be clear. So thanks for your input. Urn(talking in background) I think that, um,my....my feeling on deferral was more related to a potential, you know, no to this project. Urn, and Susan, I appreciate you bringing up the First Avenue project cause I couldn't think of a project that would come to mind. Um, but ultimately.....you know, I am gonna go the process route to a certain extent. I mean, for me I'm comfortable currently where the....where the building stands with the appropriate, you know, code and zoning related to this particular development. I also feel somewhat awkward,just recently saying that I really appreciate the deliberation that Planning and Zoning went through, and then I'm gonna say, well,the deliberation over Planning and Zoning isn't enough. It needs my added input. I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm saying that's something that I feel like if I...if I don't go in favor with the Planning and Zoning This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 42 Commission, and as it's worded here, for them to approve the project,urn, including design review, dedication of the right-of-way, and construction of Capitol Street, um, I would, I mean,just not....I wouldn't say Geoff was trying to, you know, give me(mumbled) from that standpoint, but you know, there's still a lot more information that has yet to be determined for this project. From a process standpoint, the developer has come with the rezoning. That is, urn, potential rezoning that would poten...would have a, would have eight....eight stories. I'm....I'm saying this out loud to make sure it's clear. Eight stories and then a height bonus that if(mumbled) 10 it would come back to Council. Throgmorton: More than 10. Botchway: More than 10 it would come back to Council. If that's the only kind of designation that I'm basing, at least the height piece on, I feel comfortable, because we have an eight story right there, and in general,because of the other form based code, or Riverfront Crossings, sorry! (mumbled) Riverfront Crossing implications that we have that will be tied ultimately to this project. I mean I have additional questions as far as affordable housing and some other things that was discussed, not only in our packet, but also, you know, as far as how we move forward with this that I have a lot of questions about but I'm....I am confident that the Planning and Zoning Commission, again, in the same sense that they will be able to provide us with, or at least me—I shouldn't say us—me with an easier answer, as it related to open space, as it related to some of these things around that location at Camp Cardinal. I....I feel like I would be.....I feel like I would be, you know going back and forth, you know, I support Planning and Zoning to be able to think through some of these projects, to be able to provide a project that really, urn, on the....a tough location works and wouldn't be able to do it here. I do feel comfortable with this, and in the event that it comes to a height bonus, um, I mean I...I think we're going to have to have a conversation and discussion with the developer as far as whether or not that's needed in that particular location. Mims: The other thing that I would mention too is just a reminder to Council, this is only the first consideration of three. To me there's no reason we can't close the public hearing, vote first consideration, still ask the developer and representative to come back in two weeks when we're gonna discuss this again as part of our second consideration. We have to vote on this three times before it passes. And so....I don't really see why we need to continue this and stretch it out, when we can still get those same answers, urn, at our second or third consideration. So I will not support deferring,keeping the public hearing open and deferring. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 43 Throgmorton: I'd say the main reason is because these buildings'll be here for like 75 years and they might be 15 stories tall and will radically alter the appearance of the....of the streetscape(both talking) Mims: And you still have a second and third vote that you can vote no. Throgmorton: Yeah. But....it's a good reason to continue the public hearing. Anyhow, but the key question is, uh....uh, are there four or more Councilpeople in favor of continuing the public hearing, under the anticipation that the...the developer, and Rob,will be able to come and speak, uh, at our next meeting, in more detail. Salih: I support deferring, you know, continue the public hearing and.... Dilkes: Let's just get a motion on the floor. Throgmorton: Yeah, could we.... Cole: So moved! Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Yeah, to the effect of what I just said, right? Cole: Yes! Throgmorton: Okay, so we got a motion from, uh, Cole, second from Salih. Discussion? Cole: We're talkin' about two weeks. I know time is money. I know we want to move these projects along. We are talking about two weeks for an additional conversation, additional feedback, and I'm looking forward to a constructive conversation on May 29`s. I understand what Susan's position is, um, but I think a little more time would be helpful. Botchway: I do think it brings up a, you know, to that point, Rocicne, I do think it brings (mumbled)point so I appreciate Susan really articulating the....the first...the second consideration. We've done that in other projects where we've....we have waited and said, hey, can you come back before us. I believe it wasn't necessarily to a project,but I believe that when we were focusing on some type of alcohol regulation, we wanted to go before the Committee,um, and vote on the first consideration and ultimately whenever Jim or staff was able to provide that This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 44 information back, urn, we knew that we may necess....we...we signaled to whomever, or at least to us, that we may vote differently,based on whatever came back. Urn, I'm....I.....I would say I'm inclined more from a first consideration standpoint. If the developer's still willing to do it, I mean,there's no reason to say yay, and if, you know, the conversation doesn't go as we....we would like, you know, then we....then we vote differently. So....I would disagree. I think that.....we should move forward. Throgmorton: Further discussion? Thomas: I....I support the deferral. I....I'm hoping that we can have, or continuation, the uh....that notion of deliberative dialogue again, a true conversation, uh, rather than as we saw with the,uh, Camp Cardinal project where, you know, there were comments by P&Z. They conveyed to the applicant. The applicant then came back, you know, so it was....it ended up being seven exchanges. I'm hoping we can....accelerate the....the process by....by having a more deliberative dialogue, uh, at that meeting in two weeks, so that we can respond more effectively with one another in a shorter time frame. Taylor: I'm in favor of continuing. Throgmorton: I think I hear.... Dilkes: I'm sorry, I need one clarification and the direction from the Council is no changes to the conditional zoning agreement, is that correct? Throgmorton: At this moment, yes. Dilkes: Because if there are that will require another continuation. Salih: Uh huh. Throgmorton: Yeah. So at this point, well any further discussion? No, okay, uh, we need a roll call,right? Dilkes: No. Throgmorton: Uh, all in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries 5-2. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 45 Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Thanks for your patience out there, folks! I know you're here for some other topic. [Mikes: Mayor, I'm sorry, we need a motion to defer the first consideration. Throgmorton: Oh, I jumped by that(several talking) Salih: Move! Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Taylor. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Dilkes: Thank you! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 46 Item 6. Planning and Zoning Matters Item 6c Rezoning 1705 Prairie Du Chien Road—Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 1.89 acres from Planned Development Overlay/High Density Single Family (OPD/RS-12) zone to Low Density Multifamily (RM- 12)zone for the property located at 1705 Prairie Du Chien Road. (REZ18- 00002) a) Public Hearing (Continued from 5/1) Throgmorton: Uh, the details of the conditional zoning agreement have not been worked out, so the public hearing will need to be continued and first consideration deferred until May 29. I'm gonna open the public hearing, is that correct? Yeah, open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) (laughs) Open the public hearing. Mims: Move to continue it. Throgmorton: I think maybe....oh, yeah, sorry! Could I have a motion to continue the (several talking) Sorry! I thought you were(several talking) (laughter) Eastham: My name is Charlie Eastham. I live at 953 Canton Street. I'm just wanting to note that for this, uh, this rezoning request involves a, uh, actually involves, uh, displacing a number of people who are living in mobile homes on this, uh...uh, this site now, and the developer, they....Planning and Zoning Commission, as you know, reached an agreement for, uh, providing displacement, or relocation expenses, I think in the amount of$1,000. I would just like to say that I think that amount is too low and I think the (mumbled) you have plenty of discretion to require a more practical, uh, amount of relocation assistance. Whether or not (clears throat)the HUD, uh, displacement relocation rules are actually used. I know they don't apply here, because there's no HUD money involved, but I think the Council has plenty of discretion to look at those rules and uh,require whatever, uh, amount makes sense and is fair to the people living there. Throgmorton: Thank you, Charlie. Anyone else? All right, seeing no one else, could I have a motion to continue the public hearing to May 29? Dilkes: And defer first consideration. Throgmorton: And defer first consideration. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 47 Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by somebody down here. Salih: Me! Throgmorton: Salih. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Can we move ahead? (laughs) (several talking) Salih: And we don't do discussion because we deferring it, right? (several responding) Throgmorton: (mumbled) (starts to read next item) Fruehling: I'm sorry, we do have correspondence to accept. Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Yeah, sorry! Moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 48 Item 6. Planning and Zoning Matters Item 6d Rezoning Historic Landmark Designation 319 East Bloomington Street—Ordinance rezoning property located at 319 East Bloomington Street from Central Business Service (CB-2) to CB-2 with a Historic Preservation Overlay(CB-2/OHP). (REZ18-00008) a) Public Hearing (Continued from 4/17) Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Would anybody like to speak to us? Trimble: Hello! Alicia (both talking) Throgmorton: Hi! Trimble: Alicia Trimble, Friends of Historic Preservation. Urn, sorry, I've never been able to talk and write. Urn, I know I've communicated with some of you, uh, recently. Um, but I'm going to ask you for something I rarely ask for. I'm actually gong to ask that this landmark nomination be deferred. Urn, I've been trying to find some middle ground here. I've met with Jo....Joy Smith, one of the owners, as well as Linda McGuire, and have conversations with several other people who live in the Northside. Urn, many of them,uh,brought to the point that the house is a much, part of a much larger story in that neighborhood, about community and immigration and the vibrant cultures that added to Iowa City history. Urn, and there is a lot more that people want to do down in this neighborhood, urn, and I think that by deferring that that allows for some conversations to take place. Um, there is some interest in finding things that can be done during the Opticos study, such as creating historical markers for which there may be smaller grants for that could save the City a small amount, but some money when the final projects are done in the Northside Market Place. Urn, in the meantime I'm also working with an instructor of a public history class at the University of Iowa to try and find a, uh, a project, a semester-long project in the fall for his class to do. He wants them to have a class where, urn, they do archival research, or a project where they do archival research. They communicate with a...a community group, and they take what they've learned throughout the semester, the good and the bad in planning, and try to apply those....those, urn, ideas to developing a neighborhood that very that would work for....for a good community center. Um....sorry, I had this all in my head when you guys started. You guys just have such long meetings! (laughter) Urn.....urn, I think too that, urn, I think that there is a real desire in this area for a lot of people to communicate. I think the Northside has This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 49 always been very good at communicating actually, urn, there was some concern by some people that they missed those Opticos meetings, uh, about the Northside. I do know that some of those will be happening again as they continue. Urn, but the final project with these students would actually be to come up with different designs that they believe might work, and I think, um, this gives the opportunity for the neighborhood to have a longer discussion on what they'd like to see in that neighborhood, and I think that these student project could actually only serve to provide Opticos with more information. I...I also believe that that's a really unique educational opportunity for those students. Um, this also, you guys know my biggest concern is always the beer truck scenario. It isn't about trust in this case at all for me, um, but if this is deferred, that means instead...instead of asking you to pull the landmark nomination, that if something were to happen and this project were to suddenly be in danger again, that you wouldn't want to go through Historic Preservation Commission, P&Z, and then back to you again. That process generally takes months. Um....and I think....I think something good can come out of this. We've had really great successes lately with things like the Unitarian Church and I'd like to keep the conversation going in this case, urn, to see what we can come up with that might...make everybody, I don't know perfectly happy, but a lot more happier(laughs) than they are now. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thanks, Alicia. Bob, were you going to say anything at the start? I mean you don't have to. I was just (laughter) Chill out! (laughter) Eleanor, could you please remind us what our guidelines are with regard to deferral? Dilkes: Sure. Ur....you can continue the public hearing, you....there, there's no, you can continue that, urn, for whatever period of time you believe is necessary to accomplish the purpose of the deferral. Urn, if you continue it indefinitely we'll have to schedule....we'll have to just set the public hearing again because we can't continue a public hearing to an indefinite date. (clears throat) If you do continue, the moratorium, urn...on any development activity that would be inconsistent with...with the....the designation expires on June 151, or after June 1S1 it expires. Urn, and that could not be put in place again for a year. Throgmorton: That's if....if we continue the public hearing the...the....the moratorium would end anyhow on July 151 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so Alicia, I don't know if you knew that. Trimble: I did. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 50 Throgmorton: Yeah. So it doesn't give us much time. So....uh, I don't wanna have a conversation with you out there, I'm sorry, that's wrong. (laughs) Salih: Can I ask Alicia question or no? Throgmorton: Yeah, could you come back up, please? Salih: Yeah, when you saying you talk to some people over there like in the neighborhood and, you think there is something good will come up and that's why you would like to be deferred. Have you talked to the owner and you think the owner will really be convinced, that why you want us to defer or.... Trimble: Urn, I actually had the conversation with Joy,uh,before I had the conversation with the instructor, and then I actually did meet with Linda again,but I did...Joy was out of town last week I believe. So, urn, I just think that, you know, this is a really important neighborhood and....you know, Linda is right. This is only part of a very significant neighborhood, and I think there is a larger conversation to have here, um, about the history of the neighborhood and, um, the other things that, you know, could serve to benefit, you know, the neighborhood, as well as be reminders of that history. I think there are ideas for things like historical markers, um....you know, looking at the history, um, of the neighborhood to inform maybe what type of a development might occur in the future. I think those are all really good ideas that, you know, the neighborhood should have the opportunity to express. Salih: Yeah, but that's being like all this time we knew that,we knew all the neighborhood wanted this to be historic. We know all that, but....my point is, when you telling me that something good will come out of this, I assume immediately you talk to the owners and the owners maybe they're leaning toward that side. That's why you need more time to convince them. Is that true? Trimble: To convince.... Salih: The owner. Trimble: I think Joy has her mind made up. I don't think there's any question there. I think my point, urn, and my position is always to try and do what's best for the community. That's why I work for non-profits. Um, but I think in the meantime, this gives us an opportunity to have a larger community within the neighborhood, or larger conversation within the community and the neighborhood, um, and I do This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 51 see a lot coming out of this, especially from Linda McGuire's point of view that this block really does need redevelopment, and that redevelopment really does need to be healthy. Salih: Uh huh(mumbled) Throgmorton: I think this would be a reasonable question to ask, if it's not tell me. Uh, what period of time would you have in mind? Trimble: Sorry, I actually failed to mention that in my notes. Or I had it in my notes, I failed to mention it. Um, this would actually be occurring during the fall semester. A lot of the work with the students. So it would probably actually be a....be a, some sort of deferral until the end of the year. Throgmorton: Okay. That answers my question. Thanks. Good evenin'! Smith: Good evening. Uh.... Throgmorton: Could you speak into the microphone when you talk please, thanks! Smith: Good evening, um, Joy Smith, um, my husband David Rust and I own the property under discussion at 319 Bloomington. I, um....intended to be, and I still intend to be, very brief tonight. Um, I was surprised by Alicia's, um....suggestion and so I'm sort of going to put my remarks aside. Um....I've had a good opportunity to talk with many of you about this issue, and we've shared our views with you in writing. Alicia's right, our general position remains the same. We've talked about, David and I have talked about this and as this has evolved,um, it seems to us that this....discussion about our building comes down to two issues. One is timing, and that is,um, our biggest concern as owners who have an investment here. We have felt all along that....the.....designation of our building as a historic landmark at this point in time, um, saddled us, or potentially saddled us, with more financial risk than we thought was reasonable, and that centered around the, um clear possibility that there would be developed....unknown, um, more unknown about the development that would occur on all three sides of our building. Urn, so we continue to have those concerns. We imagine that at your,uh, consult last week, we know that City staff and those who are concerned about historic preservation feel like there are enough knowns that we shouldn't, that our concern may not be reasonable. But we also know that for example, urn, one of the members of the Planning and Zoning Commission saw that concern that we have as quite reasonable. It wasn't his responsibility to consider that in This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 52 terms of his vote, urn.....so we think that reasonable people, uh, can see our point of view about that. Therefore...we would ask that you.....not defer this but that you vote no on the designation at this time,recognizing that it can be brought forward at a future time, and that as...development plans and...realities occur, that may be appropriate. The other thing that....I....I was gonna comment on tonight and that I will briefly comment on is process. Um, we've talked with some of you about process and the issue of process is a bigger one than just our building, and one that I've heard you talk about...with regard to a lot of, uh, zoning issues this evening. When it comes to historic preservation, urn, and the guidelines that are outlined in the booklet, that supports the zoning code, it seems to me that one reason that....designations are researched and decisions are made about their viability before owners are....informed. It may be that the....historical, um....that the adversarial, uh, situations that sometimes develop between historic preservationists and owners may be part of the background for why owners are left out of that process until the designation is already researched and laid out. But....I see that process as problematic and....as you consider this in the future, I would encourage....um, everybody involved to think about more dialogue on the front end, and I think that the conversation that Alicia and Ginalie and Linda and I had, uh....is an example of that. Uh the conversations that we've had with our neighboring prot....property owners, the Pagliai's, the Gilpins, other property owners in that boc...block, I think those have all revealed that there is opportunity here for dialogue to develop, um, positive things for the North Market Place Square. Um....so, process is an issue, but for tonight, uh, we would urge that you vote no on the historic landmark designation. We will certainly continue to engage with Alicia and Ginalie and others who are interested in more dialogue about the block where our property is located. We can imagine down the road after, um....things have evolved overI think a longer period of time than Alicia has in mind,because I think for us, as property owners, while historical research and designation, uh, and signs and that sort of thing are important, it won't really answer our underlying concerns about protecting, um, our investment. Uh,but we can envision with enough time transpir....transpiring that we might, uh, welcome a designation, a landmark designation. So I think that concludes me trying to articulate quickly where we stand and if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer 'em but....okay! Throgmorton: Great. Thank you! Swaim: Ginalie Swaim, Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission. Um....in answer to Joy's thoughts about not being informed during the research, we don't really know how a.....a property stacks up in terms of the criteria until the research is This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 53 completed. Uh, so we can't...in terms of involving people or notifying them that...I don't quite know how that would work. I very much don't want this to be an adversarial, urn, sort of, uh, process and I'm sorry if, urn, if she felt it was that way, and we will continue to look for ways,uh, to make it less so. Uh.....the Historic Preservation Commission is the applicant in this case of the landmark designation, and looking at all the various options, uh,we request that this be deferred until February 1st of 2019. Throgmorton: You said February 23rd....(several responding) 151, sorry! (several talking) Thank you. Smith: May I just clarify.... Throgmorton: Sure! Smith: ...one point. Uh, I just,because this is a public hearing, I wanna clarify Ginalie that when I talked about adversarial situations between Historic Preservation and property owners, I did not in any way mean to suggest that I felt, urn.....that.... The situation between us and the Historic Preservation Commission was adversarial. I was hypothesizing about why it might be that the process is designed the way it is. Um, I think we've all worked hard to be civil about this. Throgmorton: Thank you, Joy. McGuire: Hi, Linda McGuire, 618 Ronald Street. Urn (clears throat) I'm surprised about, uh, the....the consideration being put before you for deferral. Urn, and I think it... it really helps to highlight the different position, situation of this particular property compared to the other one, which, uh, their owners have been, um, objecting. We heard tonight a lot of talk about context, and urn, I'll remind everybody, maybe....many of you might not have been around,but this whole block is the place going back to the first immigrants, um, that came to the city, uh, you know, beer halls were not like college bars today. They....they were places where people gathered together and drank beer because they....they were building community, and um, that happened there. Um...uh, the first gay bar and the first African American bar was at, on Market Street, urn, the Boulevard Room, uh, I was on the Human Rights Commission when there was a complaint brought,but that's a story for another day, um, Grace & Ruby's, the all-women's restaurant was on Linn Street, where Bricks is now. Um, then we have our heirloom businesses—John's Grocery, Hamburg Inn, Pagliai's Pizza, urn....I'm sure I'm leaving some others out, and you know,the....the context for this is that we have This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council • regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 54 this rich history that has yet to be fully discovered, even though some of the buildings have gotten historic landmark, but....and we have this huge empty space in the middle of it. And that really distinguishes not only your consideration of context here, but also of process. And I believe,urn, that ...sorry, I used to argue jury trials but this is (laughter) urn, I....I believe that, urn, we would be shortchanging the....the whole process by, uh, by even deferring today. Um, I....I'm not so hopeful that we....maybe cause I'm older, that February or the end of the fall semester would be enough time, and I don't know the complexities of how far one can defer things before one brings them up again, um, but I do know that there is...is great interest, um, and....and the unknowns in this really position this property as Joy said of being more, um, risky for the property owner. Bob did a great job at your....at your, urn, work session, and I was there, and Bob, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think when he was talking about how many stories of development, 48 bedrooms could be put out in that area, and.....up to.....four stories, with three additional, four....four....four(unable to clearly hear Miklo from audience) four stories, um, and uh, and so think about four stories, you know, that whole block, urn, and then this nice little gem, uh, in the middle of it. So, you know, if this is the jewel that many people believe that it is, we need to save the little jewel box, uh, that it's in now until we fully develop what that is. Okay, and I really appreciate, urn, and I want to say this too, um....uh, Alicia and Ginalie and, urn, and I think that what we're saying to you is we, urn, we recognize the potential and....and the process that has been stalled, um, because even Opticos said that this area needs more discussion about what the neighbors and the property owners would like to see development there. Urn, and...and that just even from last August when they submitted their report. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Linda. Anyone else? All right, I'm not seein' anyone else. Here's a surprising question—are you inclined to support....to agree (both talking) Dilkes: Mayor... Throgmorton: What? Dilkes: That's a mistake. You don't....we already had the consult with P&Z (laughs) so.... Throgmorton: Oh, so that's a mistake. Text is a mistake. Oh, I thought I made the mistake. Cole: (mumbled) (several talking and laughing) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 55 Throgmorton: So just for....just for the sake of, uh....pleasing ourselves, we had a terrific consultation with the Planning and Zoning Commission and with the Historic Preservation Commission. Very fruitful, very informative. All right, so I need to close the public hearing. No? Or have a motion to defer. One or the other, right? Okay, so urn....huh.....all right, so I need to know whether you want to defer. Cole: (mumbled) make a motion before we can talk or..... Throgmorton: Yeah, that'd be the smart thing to do. Cole: So moved. Botchway: Second. Throgmorton: (several talking) motion to defer. Mims: Oh, okay, I just didn't know(several talking) Throgmorton: ...discussion about whether to do that or not. So, uh, motion by Cole, second by Botchway. Dilkes: Let's get....motion to continue the public hearing until? Cole: February Pt, 2009. 19! Throgmorton: Yeah. Miklo: Um,you may just want to make it your first meeting in February. I'm not sure if the first falls on a Tuesday. Cole: First Tuesday of February 2019. Mims: I would say no. I think the property owner has asked for a vote,urn, I think...I know it's process, um, to go back through if in fact that happens,but I think there's a....there is a lot of discussion that needs to be done on that Northside and I think....I think it's in fairness to the property owner that there's a vote. Salih: I...I think also, you know,we don't have to defer it because I don't see a point of deferring, if the owner is still like, uh, I will agree to defer it if the owner have a potential of changing their mind. And also from here until...the main point of This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 56 this, because of the area around it, we don't know what the plan of that area and all this kind of parking lot around it. I went there and I saw it myself and I went around the block and just try to have an idea, but that's why I think, you know, it will take more than February 1st or the first Tuesday in February to figure out what they gonna do in that area, so they can convince the owner. Because that their fear, I guess, you know, what can happen around the area, all this parking lot. What gonna be there? You know,that's why....I don't support the deferring. We should move forward. Botchway: I would agree, I'd like to vote tonight. I mean I ultimately I....I wanted the motion on the table cause I wanted to talk about it, but yeah, I would....I would like to vote tonight. Taylor: I (clears throat) I also would, uh, want to proceed with the vote. I....I appreciate Alicia's, uh, conversations and points about the students, but my concern is that the moratorium expires June l51 and can't be put in place for another year, so I think that's...that's a valid concern also. Throgmorton: Well, uh, it's clear that there's a majority in favor of moving ahead tonight with the vote. So,uh, we should have a....a vote on the motion that's on the floor. Is this a voice vote? Dilkes: It's voice vote. Throgmorton: So, the motion is to defer until first meeting in February 2019. All in favor say aye. Opposed. So, uh, the motion is defeated 5-2, I think, but it's defeated in any event. All right. Mims: 3-4 I think. Throgmorton: Well I...I.... Mims: One, two, three. Throgmorton: I voted, uh.... Mims: How did you vote? I didn't hear. Throgmorton: I voted, uh, to....(both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 57 Mims: To not defer? Throgmorton: To not defer, sorry. (laughs) (several talking) Dilkes: So it was Cole and Thomas. Cole: Yep! Cole and Thomas. Dilkes: Okay. Throgmorton: All right, so uh, that means we need to have a motion to give first consideration. b) Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) (Deferred from 4/17) Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, second by Salih. Hold on for a second....are we okay? Dilkes: We need to close the public hearing. Throgmorton: Sony? Dilkes: We need to close the public hearing. Taylor: Oh, I thought we did! Throgmorton: I thought I did. So, all right. Dilkes: You're not continuing it so, yeah, we need to close it. Throgmorton: Sony! So, yeah, sorry, so I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) (laughter and several talking) For those of you who don't know, it's my computer (several talking and laughing) Botchway: Move first consideration. Salih: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 58 Throgmorton: All right. So, moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. All right, discussion? Mims: I am...I am not going to support the motion, and let me just start out by saying I...I really,people....some people may not believe this, but it's true. I really do appreciate the work that the Historic Preservation Commission and the Friends of Historic Preservation do in this community. Urn, I believe it is tremendously important work, and I think if....if those of you, Ginalie and Alicia and the other people who work with you, were not doing that, we wouldn't have the 47-plus, you know, local landmarks that we already have that....that do make Iowa City what it is, and I think are very, very important for this community. And, um, I hope that you won't give up on what you do, urn, and there's times we're gonna agree on certain properties and there's times that we're gonna disagree. It's my feeling, and my understanding, that the Historic Preservation Commission, and P&Z, did....as they are charged to do, based on the various ordinances, regulations, laws, etc., in terms of what they take into consideration and what they do not take into consideration. But part of what this City Council, I believe, is charged with taking into consideration,based on the fact that when a property owner, uh, protests something like this, it....it sets us up for super-majority vote. To me that charges us with looking at the property owner's interests, as well as everything that has been brought to us by Historic Preservation and P&Z. I tend to be one that leans more towards....if there is a disagreement, to protecting property owners' rights, urn, I think this is an incredibly beautiful property. Urn, I think the owners have done a great job with it, and I hope it will continue to be preserved and I hope the opportunity, uh, for the landmark designation will happen some day in the future, but I cannot....sit here and dismiss, uh, the interest that property owners have in terms of the time and money and emotion and effort, urn, that they have put into being property owners. And for that reason I will not support the historic designation. Salih: I will not support historic designation as well. And I have many reason for that. Urn, I think really pretty much you're to designate this property (unable to understand)because before such thing, as I tell you I was around, I saw the area. Uh, I guess before the designation, they should be evident that the block will be develop in a manner that enhance the historic attributes in the area. And also the concern raise by the, you know,by the owner of the building, I guess is legitimate. And it should carry weight with the Council. I appreciate their desire to protect their initial investment in the property, because I guess if suddenly..... Council come and go, I know that, you know,they....they, as I guess Bob said, 40-story building could be on the parking lot if it happen, but Council come and go. Maybe in four years no one here and somebody else having the ideas and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 59 they will build this high-rise building around it. That's why I don't think I should, you know, support that for now, until I know what gonna happen in the area. And historic preservation is important, I swear it's important, and I support a lot of them, and I appreciate all the work that you guys do. But for this is specific one, I don't think I'm gonna support it, but I like it. I support all of them, and I will continue support them, as long as, you know, in the same area and all the surrounding(unable to understand) look like them, you know,just like the houses in the residential area, where nothing gonna be change around it. Urn, but....it is, you know, but that is not, you know, it is very important but is not the only consideration in this block. There are many force at play here. That's why I'm not supporting it. Throgmorton: Do you wanna speak first? Go ahead. Taylor: I am in favor of...of the designation, urn....I appreciate the property owner's opinions and Susan spoke about, um, have....having the owner's interest in mind, but I'm really kind of unsure of what that interest, I'm still not really clear what that interest is, urn, and I...I just don't understand why we would treat this property any differently from the others that we approved previously, the five others that we approved. I....I (several talking) Mims: Because they didn't protest. Salih: Because the area...no, not only that. I guess for me because, you know, all the houses that I saw look, you know, look awesome and all the area surround them is already been develop. It never gonna change. I'm not gonna see like...but here it is parking lot on the west side,parking lot I guess on the south side, and...and also the two house from Mercy I guess on the like, uh, Gilbert. I don't know, you know, and those old houses, and I don't know what gonna happen, maybe you know, it will be somebody will come and build like, you know, high-rise building and the value of this building will go down. You know even I talk to, uh, a real estate person about the area and they told me the same thing. (unable to understand)just by asking people I try to make up my mind, I just specifically this one, I'm not supporting it. Botchway: I didn't know if you were....were you done, Pauline? Okay. I...I don't like unknowns. Um, you know, I....I think at times it may seem like I'm, uh, somewhat kind of open and, as far as conversation up here, but I, you know, try to bring a bit of levity to, urn, I think a....a deliberative process that we all engage in. Um, I...I would say I see unknowns on both sides in this particular issue. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 60 What is clear to me however is what we asked our Historic Preservation to do and not all the Members of Council were here at that time, um, and I don't...I mean, I think it was important to hear the historical, um, the history of the particular location that we're talking about and I appreciate that history and I was on Council when I specifically,um,was a part of, you know, of voting, um, in favor of the Historic Preservation doing this work. Um, I agree Council changed. I mean that's...that's why votes happen, that's why we, uh, that's why, you know, we go out and campaign and all that fun stuff, and I also think that property interests...owners' interests change as well, and so....I'm not....I was....I was at the first part of that, urn, historic planning, um, com...commission consultation, and I heard Mark speak about some of the value, urn, from a property owner standpoint that was concerning. Urn, I....I was not, I was not convinced from that conversation that, urn, there would be a significant reduction, um, in value, um, because I see historic properties throughout our town,um, historic property just recently sold for a couple million dollars downtown. Um, I think that's a part of the character and nature of Iowa City. I also appreciated Bob's presentation as far as the....the....the, um, the potential property that could go, um, in place, uh, adjacent to the current property that we're designating and, um, I did not feel like it was a high-rise. I felt like,you know, from any Council's deliberation, and I know I'm in a sense from a staggered standpoint gonna be here a little bit longer than, I mean, you know what I mean, from a four-year standpoint maybe a little bit longer than you, and so I feel very comfortable making the argument that, you know, the historic nat....uh, neighborhood and nature of this particular district needs to be upheld and...and having that conversation, um, and coming before us ....I....I just feel like.....again, and I guess I've been redundant on this issue, tonight especially, it does come down to me as far as process is concerned and while I do hear why there could be potential deviations from that process, I...I don't....I don't, I'm not convinced as far as...um, any type of understanding of where we fall on the level of unknowns. What is clear to me, as I said before, is that we asked our Historic Preservation Commission to do some things in relation to this, and I think we need to follow through with these designations. I would agree with Pauline. I don't see why this is different, urn, than any other property that we would designate. I do have concerns, as we move to the....end of our meeting about how we can incorporate some of the comments about process, because I....I don't want the rug to be...well it's not really pulled, but you know, surprise people on this when we....even as we deliberate on this conversation or maybe even think about doing research I think is an opportunity to let property owners know, urn, but I actually am in favor of the Historic Preservation, and I'll be voting yes for this designation tonight. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 61 Throgmorton: I'd like to take a shot at, uh, if we vote not to approve the designation, which certainly appears to be the case now, there will be I think no meaningful difference between that decision and our decision not to defer. The Commission can always come back....a year from now with another application and we can process it again. I....I don't see much difference between that and the way things are, appear....uh, they're gonna be. So let me kind of signal a little bit about how I think about this situa.....about the, uh, the proposed designation. In the end I'm gonna vote in favor,just like Kingsley, uh, said. I agree it would be good to have a plan, perhaps a form based code, in place for the entire block, and I personally am committed to seeing such a plan developed. However, I think it's highly unlikely that the City staff or the consultant will be able to complete such a plan within the next year. That fact does introduce some uncertainty about what might happen on the nearby properties,but I do not see how that fact should lead one to conclude that the building should not be designated as an historic landmark. If anything, the uncertainty is precisely why the building should be preserved. Moreover, as Bob Miklo told us in his excellent presentation during the consultation,uh, Joy and David the owners would be free to repair or replace the non-historic addition and build something new behind the historic structure that enhances the value of their property and the block as a whole. And designating as a landmark now will enable the building to become an anchor for the design of the block as a whole. So....I'm gonna vote in favor of it. Thomas: I'm gonna vote in favor as well. I....I would of preferred the, uh, deferral, um, which as I understood it could be continued beyond the first meeting in February if necessary. Uh.....which I think would of given....given us a little bit more nimble a position in terms of responding to contingencies and the unknown future, but....uh, I was.....you know, clearly the....the Planning and Zoning and Historic Preservation, uh, votes, uh....were....were pretty....pretty consistent and clear, and I think like everyone on Council I'm also concerned with, you know, the financial....viability of....of a project. I....I certainly don't want any historic designation to compromise the financial viability of any property. Uh, and....and I think at our consult I was convinced that...even in the worst case, uh, with our current zoning, I didn't feel that the, um....development around 319 Bloomington would be of such a scale and character that it would, uh, diminish the value of the...of the property. Um....as Jim mentioned, I think in a way we will just proceed, you know, I think fortunately we, you know, I have good faith in Joy and David and.....and remaining true to this vision that I think all of us share, which is how can we develop Northside Market Place,uh, in...in its fullness, uh, with 319 being one of the anchors of that vision. Um, so we will continue to do that, we will work on the form based code, uh, one....one thought I would add to this This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 62 discussion would be, uh, and this is a more general issue, is....and.....is looking at the possibility of transfer of development rights, which I think is often one of those issues which comes up, you know, the....the....the threat or concern about the diminishment in value of a property. Uh, this has been an issue in the past. I think it will be an issue in the future. I'm looking at the downtown and how that might be a critical factor. Uh, if we can develop a....a strategy where we can transfer those development rights, uh, from a property we wish to designate historically, to an area where we're trying to encourage development, I think that... that seems to me to promote these kinds of win-win situations which.... which I certainly advocate. I think we can also, through the form based coding, um, improve on our CB-2 zoning, which is currently the case, to make sure that we fine-time around 319 Bloomington so that any....you know, no one....no one will feel in any way, uh, concerned that the, you know, the sunlight, the....the qualities that...that we all strive to....to achieve on any one given property, uh, will be maximized and optimized. So again, I....I think, you know.....for now I will support, uh,the designation. It's not going to be.....it doesn't have the votes to....to be supported by Council, but, um, with that....with that being the case, I think just looking forward I just, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, what Linda was describing—a full bore kind of community conversation coming up with a....a very clear, articulate vision for Northside Market Place. Cole: I'm hopeful, as Jim talked about, that everyone can engage in the process that a deferral would have achieved, which is this conversation will continue and that people will try to work through some of these very, very tough issues. These aren't easy issues. We love Iowa City. We love the historic properties, but there are real issues about what percentage the property owner has to bear, and because the property owner has made the objection, that's something we have to take into consideration. Um, you know, I always have sort of a Pollyanna view of things. I always like to find consent or resolution where possible. Urn, I was very hopeful of the fact that the developer tal......or the property owner talked about, um, possibly at some point in the future. Um, and that's one of the reasons why I was hopeful for a deferral that would maybe be able to come to that. So we can still get to that. Um, John talked about one tool we did not have, at least I'm pretty sure we don't, is this transfer of development, urn, rights concept. I hope that we can further explore that, because that's a tool that we have in our Riverfront Crossings District that has been very effective at allowing us to get the preservation and the growth at the same time, to eat our cake and have it too. Um, hopefully we can continue to explore that. Um....but I can't support this, at least in its current stage at this point. So, urn, I'm hopeful we can continue the conversation, um,because we all love Iowa City, we know that, and I just This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 63 commend everyone for the very thoughtful conversation we've had. Urn, they are tough issues. That's tough for us all to....to come together to a resolution on this, but I'm gonna vote no at this point. Salih: I....I just wanna add something also. Like voting no today, that should not discourage the Historic Preservation Commission to still reach out to that block and you know talk about it,because as I hear from the owner, she said if she knew a clear plan for that, she can still come back and do this. Then I guess I encourage you to still like reaching out until you fmd....figure out what that, you know, like a plan for the whole block, and....maybe this will come back to us again. Throgmorton: Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. All right, so motion,uh, fails on a 4-3 vote, with Mims, Cole, and Salih in the negative. All right. We can move on, right? I'm not skipping anything I hope! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 64 Item 6. Planning and Zoning Matters Item 6e Rezoning Historic Landmark Designation 410-412 North Clinton Street—Ordinance rezoning property located at 410-412 North Clinton Street from High Density MultiFamily Residential (RM-44) to RM-44 with a Historic Preservation Overlay (RM-44/OHP). (REZ18-00007) a) Public Hearing(Continued from 4/17) Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Good evening! Michael: Good evening. Throgmorton: Thanks for your patience! Michael: You bet! Good evening, uh, I'm Bob Michael. I'm an attorney here in Iowa City and I represent the, uh, new owners of the property at 410—412, uh, South Clinton. They purchased the property here approximately two weeks ago. Urn, I know Bob Crane and his attorneys have been here before you, and have, uh, presented, uh,their feelings about, uh,the proposed, uh, rezoning, and I don't want to go over and rehash all of those, although I do think they were good reasons, uh, I don't wanna waste your time by going over them, uh, all again today. Urn, I am here on behalf of the owners, requesting that you reject the proposed rezoning and vote no. Urn....the, um....there's a few things that I do want to, uh, discuss regarding the summary of the history of the property. I noticed on the proposed, um....uh, rezoning, urn, resolution, or excuse me, ordinance,urn, it discussed the history and the association with prominent people, uh, who lived in Iowa City, and I was looking at the,uh, the summary here with the packet that was submitted to the....to the City, and it's called the Cochran- Sharpless-Dennis house and....and, uh,there's a summary of Dr. Cochran who was the first owner of the house, uh, when it was first built. I...I looked at the abstract,which real estate attorneys look at when they're reviewing, uh, title to a property to make sure the seller has, uh, good title to the property, and I noticed Dr. Cochran owned the property for about a year. Then he conveyed it away, and uh, I just wanna point that out to you, uh, when it's called the Cochran-Sharpless- Dennis house, that,uh, the first owner referred to, and all of the accomplishments of his life, he lived....uh, excuse me, he owned the prop....or lived in the house for approximately a year. Then the summary goes on to talk about how Samuel Sharpless and his wife Priscilla owned the property. Well that's not quite true either. Samuel was never an owner of the property. Priscilla Sharpless owned This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 65 this property. There are some accomplishments here (mumbled) about Samuel Sharpless, but Priscilla was the one that owned this property. She owned it until she died. Uh, when she died she, uh, her estate went to several beneficiaries who could not agree on how to divide up the estate so they sued each other and the judge decided, uh, the property's gonna be sold, public auction, and so it was sold to a gentleman who bought it and...and owned it for a short period of time and then sold it to Mr. Dennis, Mr. Edwin Dennis, and that's how you get the Dennis, uh, the third name on the....on the house. Now he lived in it for approximately seven years, until his death. Urn, now the description here says that the property was owned by Edwin and his wife Anna, again, that's....and that they bought the house. Well that wasn't quite right. Edwin bought the house. When he died his will said I'll give, uh, the home to my wife Anna, provided she never remarries. And if she does remarry, I'm canceling the gift. And, urn, she did not remarry, uh, she, um.....lived there until she passed away, and then ultimately her daughter,uh, Gertrude, uh, lived there until approximately 1965. Now, in the 1960s, that's when an addition was put on the property, which is larger than the initial home, and hopefully you've seen the property, but this is a....a picture of the backside of the property, and it consists of apartments, and uh, it was built in the 1960s. It's quite different than the initial construction of the property, uh, from the I 800s. Now I, uh, I looked at your City ordinance, uh, the zoning and the, um, historic, urn, overlay ordinance, and uh, the criteria for designating the property as a historical landmark is, uh....if it's not verbatim it's almost verbatim as...as, uh, what is being used by, um, the National Register. And, um, I've looked at the ordinance and the criteria established by the National Register, and it talks about a building, and it says a building can be designated as a historical landmark. That's what your, uh, again, that's what your ordinance says,that's what the National Register, uh, says, but the....the National Register Bulletins, uh, publication on applying their criteria, uh, defines what a building is. Uh,parts of buildings, such as interiors, facades, or wings are not eligible independent of the rest of the existing building. The whole building must be considered and its significant features must be identified. This is a....a building which, uh, again more than half of it was built, uh, after, uh, 1960, and I think you need to consider the whole building when you're trying to consider whether this is a.....should be designated as a historical landmark. Uh, if this is, uh, my....my clients purchased this property with the current zoning, RM-44, your highest density zoning, and, uh, their purposes are to use the property consistent with their, um, with their zoning. If....and Mr. Crane, the...you know, he's the local appraiser who's lived in Iowa City and has been an appraiser here for decades. Uh, he was quite concerned about the devaluation of his property, if it was designated historical, uh, landmark. And,urn, you know, as uh.....uh, Bob mentioned, I believe at your This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 66 joint session here the other night, um, that if, urn, I don't think he took into consideration parking yet, but he thought that if it could be developed according to the current zoning, 24 units could be placed on the property, which consists of either eight three-bedrooms, 12 two-bedrooms, or 24 one-bedrooms,but he thought that if the historical, uh, landmark designation would be made, that approximately 80...85% of the bedrooms could still be used and applied to the property. However, he's talking about bedrooms. He's not talking about units there and there's a difference, uh,that the older part of the building, uh, has nine bedrooms. Uh, bedrooms are not as valuable as units, um, they consist of a bedroom and uh, the, uh, income, uh, that can be made from a bedroom is different than a unit, and so, uh, I wanna point out that there's a difference between 24 units versus 80...85% of that amount which consists of nine bedrooms and the rest units. So in summary I would like to say that I don't believe that this, uh, when you consider the whole building, uh, that it qualifies, uh, the criteria to be established as a historical landmark. And the significant damage to the value of the property and the property rights of my clients, uh, are....are.....are enough of a damage that this property should not be rezoned with a historic landmark,uh, overlay. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Throgmorton: Any questions for Bob? I don't hear any but uh, it could be some questions'lI come up as we go along. Anyone else? Bob? Miklo: I would just like to clarify our zoning analysis wasn't on bedrooms. It was square footage (mumbled) square footage, how it's divided into bedrooms is...it's unknown, but it wasn't.....our analysis didn't conclude that they could get 85% of the bedrooms. It was 85% of the square footage that you could get, without the historic building on the property. Throgmorton: Thanks, Bob. Swaim: Ginalie Swaim. Um.....I don't have all my research with me in terms of, uh, the Cochrans and Sharplesses and the Dermises. I do know that, urn, Mr. Cochran was a Civil War surgeon, uh, during...and I believe that would be during the period when he was,uh, when he owned the house, and I....I think I mentioned another....at the May....last public hearing, that the stories of the women who owned these houses or lived there are seldom discoverable anymore unless you have the kinds of diaries and....and letters and such that, uh, so we find names like Samuel Sharpless in the Johnson County Bank. We don't find names like Priscilla because history was not written then that way. People's....women's contributions even if it was supporting the family, um, getting the house cleaned, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 67 were not recorded, but the point on this house is that this is,um, its architectural merit is significant. So, think about it, this house was built in 1865. This is the same year when, on a day in the spring, Old Capitol columns were draped in black, mourning crepe because of the memorial service the community held for Abraham Lincoln, and only four blocks away, that same year, this house was built and it looks very much as it did at that time. It very much gives an invaluable sense of time and place. Uh, one of the Councilors at the joint session asked, um, how much of Iowa City is, uh, is in conservation and historic, uh, districts, and... uh, staff found that information for us. Uh, Iowa City is about.....16,710 acres. The historic and conservation districts are about 413 acres. That's about 2.5% in ....in districts. The land....there's about 19 acres that are landmarks that are not in districts. So....that.....19 acres is about 1/10th of 1% of Iowa City. That's how much of Iowa City is devoted to individual landmarks that are not in districts. Throgmorton: What was that percent again, Ginalie? Swaim: One-tenth of 1%. So that....house that are not...or buildings that are not in a district, conservation or historic. Of those individual landmarks, let's count the number of landmarked houses built during that pivotal decade in U.S. history, the 1860s. I counted four. Four that are landmarks from....built in the 1860s that are not in districts. I believe that it's time we added this one, and as one of the most significant ones in the whole town. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Ginalie. Anyone else? All right,hearing no one I need to find out whether you are inclined to vote in accord with the Co....(several talking) Mims: ...already done the (several talking) Throgmorton: Yeah....(several talking) wish that wasn't there cause I'm doin' this by rote. Sorry! My bad! So I need to close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Can I have a motion for first consideration please. b) Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) (Deferred from 4/17) Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. Discussion? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 68 Mims: Well I'm gonna do the same thing I did last time, and for me there's even additional....I think reason to vote against this one. Um, I'm really concerned with the amount of, urn, the addition, the size of that addition, the impact of that on the historic nature of this building. Urn, so to me....and I don't have all the regulations in front of me and so I don't, I mean, Mr. Michael said, you know, more than 50% of that space now is not historic, and based on National Register regulations, they would consider that then not eligible if I interpret....am interpreting his words correctly. Um, and even if that weren't the case, again, and I won't repeat all my comments from earlier, it's getting late, but I think the property owners, uh, rights in these cases where they are protesting these designations are incredibly important. But in this case I think there's a lot more that goes along with it in terms of, uh, the adjustments and...and things that have been done to this building. So I will not be supporting the designation. Cole: I'm gonna speak up and say that I am going to support the designation, and while I agree with Susan that the property owners' rights are important, I don't think they're dispositive, and the reason why I'm coming to a different conclusion here is because I think it presents a different location. It's in a historic neighborhood, or not formally historic but the surrounding properties, urn, its proximity to the University, um, I think frankly when I look at that backside, I look at something that with the benefits and the waivers they could get in terms of parking, that could easily be redeveloped with a.....I understand that we cannot protect that back area, and that you could get a very intensive development of this property, that wouldn't, urn.....significantly impinge on the value of the property. We know that. I think that Bob had talked about 85%. So it's not a huge diminution, urn, so that....that's where I'm at at this point. I think that this is a different location, it's a different property, and I'm exercising my judgment of applying different criteria and so I am going to support it in this instance. Salih: I....I, also I agree with Rockne, because, you know, I'm gonna vote differently on this. Uh, my point with the other one, the area is not being develop, but here I guess, you know, it's surrounded by historic area and that's why I will support, you know, the historic designation on this. Botchway: I'm supportive, I am. I'm a little confused, but.... Mims: Then vote no! Botchway: No, well I'm not confused about this particular piece. I'm more confused with the difference between the two properties. Um, again, from a process standpoint, you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 69 know, I think our Historic Preservation Commission brought forth a property that needs to be designated. Um, I would even say that,um,my concern is even more heightened, urn,based on the recent purchase and how things could just, you know, um, we're looking at historic preser....we're looking at preserving these historic buildings and ultimately there are things that happen quickly that we...we don't necessarily have any control of, and um, you know, I appreciate obviously the Historic Preservation Commission's work on doing this to ensure that we are, urn, preserving these properties, and so, uh, I'm gonna vote in favor, um, and say yes. Taylor: Uh, this one was a little more tough for me. Uh...although I have to admit that the change in ownership kind of changed my opinion on that, cause that....that tended to make me a little leery of.....of, uh.....going along with the denial of it. Uh.... the more...the longer I looked at the property, urn, that little building, it's just cute little historic building, has a lot of history, is surrounded by, uh, across the street, the dorm that I loved and lived in, very historic Currier Hall. Uh, so the history aspect of it. I also think that with the new owners, uh, they...they should go along with this and be, uh,happy that we designate this because as I think, uh, Kingsley or somebody had brought up about the, like the parking waivers. If they...if they want to, cause to be honest I think the property that's built in the back of it, those apartments are not very attractive and I would be in favor of....of that being, uh, redeveloped, uh, and I think perhaps a...having the property designated as historic, perhaps would give them, um, more positive things to do with....to redevelop that property in the rear. So I would be in favor of....going along (both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, so I wanna start with a couple basic facts. The Historic Preservation voted unanimously in favor of the designation, and it did so by following the criteria, uh,they're called upon to follow, and they even identified the building because of...because the Council had asked them to, uh, actively identify buildings that were....that warranted preservation. Also, the Planning and Zoning Commission voted unanimously in favor of the designation. Uh, and they did so because designating the building is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan in their judgment. So, I think those two facts matter. Uh, I note that Bob Michael, representing the new owner, and the previous owner and attorney, claim that designating this property as an historic landmark would have a severe adverse affect, or a restriction, on the value of the property. Uh,but we also held a consultation with the Planning and Zoning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission, a very fruitful and informative conversation, and during that, Bob Miklo told us that a three-story building covering 50% of the site's footprint could be developed with about 18,000 square foot....feet. If the house is preserved...a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 70 new building could be constructed in the back, with the loss of about only 13% compared to the full redevelopment of the site. That's the way I understood it. I hope that's correct, Bob. Uh, and that assumed the parking could be rev....could be provided. During that same consultation, the Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission, Ginalie Swaim, added that historic landmarks are eligible for reduced parking requirements, which eases that, uh, complication. And of course she also told us, reminded us, that this particular house is under threat of demolition, primarily because it's located so close to the University and therefore ....um, an opportune, uh, situation for someone who provides housing for students, etc., who live nearby the University. In any event, I....I think the, uh, the concerns of the owner, uh, are, um.....um.....uh, not trivial, but I think they're not so excessive as to warrant rejecting this particular proposal. So I'm gonna vote in favor of the,uh, landmark designation. Thomas: I'm also going to vote in favor of it, and I....I think I can just refer to....the comments we've heard that also supported it. Uh....I....I would just simply add, um, I find this project, uh, and to some degree 319 East Bloomington, which just preceded it, two interesting examples of how, in this case a building from the 1860s has proven to be, um, a viable structure in terms of serving uses for that very long period of time. Uh, it's seen on its property, which is I think approximately a quarter of an acre, uh, an addition on the back, which kind of reflects the...the nature of land use in that particular part of Iowa City, that we can expect,uh, relatively high density of development,urn,because of its location, and that.....despite that fact, the....the significance of the building, uh, and its historic characters is not, in my view, was not significantly diminished in terms of its frontage, which I think was critical to its historic significance. Uh, and then the comments that Ginalie made tonight, which II had asked that question at...at their, at our joint consultation, uh, are pretty interesting in that it....it speaks to, for me, the....what I almost want to say the outside significance of historic preservation in Iowa City that the image of this town, um, as historic is contingent on such a small percentage of the overall population....overall acreage of the city. Uh, you know,these buildings leave a deep impression and I think they....they also add, and this is where I feel Council comes in, urn, insofar as I think the.... the impact on the financial aspects of it. Uh, as....as Jim mentioned, or not...or you know, they're not trivial, but they're not significant in terms of the loss with respect to square footage, but their value to the community,both,urn, in terms of its sense of itself and...and I would argue even from a financial standpoint, uh, more than make up the difference, uh, and so as as Council I think that's a very important consideration. The amount of value that would be lost with the loss of our historic heritage, uh, with this particular project, I think,would be, um, is....is This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 71 really worth considering and.....and why I support the designation. (several talking in background) Cole: Yeah, I've already commented. Throgmorton: Oh you had? Sony! Cole: For once(both talking) Throgmorton: Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-1. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 72 Item 7. FY2018 Budget Amendment-Amending the FY2018 Operating Budget a) Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Hi there! Budding: Hi! Jaclyn Budding. I'm the Budget Compliance Officer. Get out of here quick! So this is the third and final budget amendment for FY2018. This includes larger dollar amount items that have arisen since the last amendment that was done on March 6th. Um on the revenue side, the larger ticket items include affordable housing fee in lieu of about$140,000...er....$400,000, sorry; um, as well as transfers related to the Van Buren water main and storm sewer project; uh, insurance recovery is for the public housing CIP project for about 265,000; contributions for the Animal Center expansion and study for about 200,000; and then it also includes two police grants that the department received for, one for data-driven justice for 173,000 and then the other from the DOJ for 75,500. Um, and then the....the table on the left is just a snippet from the State forms that includes the amounts from the total budget as certified last on March 6th, and then the middle column includes the current, um, line items being amendment... amended and then the far right column is the final budget. Then on the expenditure side, uh, includes the Van Buren water main and storm sewer again for the 285; the public housing CIP for the storm debt....storm damage for 265,000; the same 200,000 for the Animal Center; and then....expenditures for the related police grant on the revenue side, as well as the Robert Lee fitness equipment for 52,000. Um, a lot of the line items being amended have off-setting of revenue and expenditure line items, so the total, um, hit to....there was a total overall net budget increase of about 149,000 in fund balance. (mumbled) any questions? Throgmorton: Are there any questions? Looks like our affairs are being well managed (laughter) yet again (laughs) Thank you. Would anybody else care to address this topic? (laughter) If not I'm going to close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) b) Consider a Resolution Mims: Move the resolution. Botchway: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 73 Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Botchway. Discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. Thanks for your patience! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 74 Item 8. Approval of the CDBG/HOME budget- Consider a resolution adopting Iowa City's FY19 Annual Action Plan which is a subpart of Iowa City's 2016-2020 Consolidated Plan (CITY STEPS) a) Public Input Throgmorton: Staff requests deferral to May 29. I'm gonna open the public input. (bangs gavel) Would anybody like to address this? I see no one, so I'd like a motion to continue public input to May 29. Dilkes: And to defer the resolution. Throgmorton: And to defer the resolution to that same date. Mims: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims (both talking) Salih: I'm sorry, we....we cannot discuss this at all? Throgmorton: We'll discuss it two weeks from now. Salih: But, you know, if I...I already read what in the Action Plan and if....if we would like to discuss it so they can come up with something different later, like rather than ask...I don't know, but maybe you're not going to support it,but I think if we gonna support.....(sighs) I don't know, but I would like to discuss it (laughs) I would like....because I...you know, the....the Action Plan that I read, it have something really I don't like it and I need to point it out. Throgmorton: Well we haven't received all the public input yet. Doesn't that mean we can't discuss this or not? I don't know what the legal requirement is. Dilkes: There's really no public input to be had, it looks like. Salih: Uh huh. Throgmorton: Except maybe on the 29a'. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 75 Dilkes: Yeah, um....so you can't really close the public input and....move to your discussion. Throgmorton: Yeah, so we're gonna have to (both talking) Salih: ...comment on it at all? So, you know.... Throgmorton: Well you'll have a chance, you know, two weeks from now. Just like (several talking) Salih: Like two week from now it will (several talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, we'll have....(both talking) Fruin: So.....what happened is it was scheduled to come before you today and then, uh, we had a pleasant surprise in that our allocation increased substantially, which is the first time in a long time (several talking) Salih: Good! Yeah. Fruin: Urn, so, uh, because it was over 20% increase, urn, we referred it back to HCDC so that they can refine their recommendations. Basically program those additional dollars and then send that recommendation back to the Council. Salih: Okay. Sure! (mumbled) Throgmorton: You'll get your shot! Salih: Sure! (laughs) Throgmorton: All right, so we....we have on the, we already have a motion, right, to defer, continue the public input and defer resolution, the resolution, to May 29. Correct, Kellie? Salih: Yeah. Throgmorton: All right. Yeah, so all in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. (mumbled) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 76 Item 9. RAGBRAI—one temporary beverage garden- Ordinance amending Title 4, entitled "Alcoholic Beverages," of the City Code to prohibit alcohol licenses for new or expanded outdoor areas during RAGBRAI except for the Downtown Beverage Garden and to prohibit glass containers of alcohol in the Downtown Beverage Garden during RAGBRAI Throgmorton: Could I have a motion to, for,uh, to have first consideration, please? Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Uh, moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. Discussion? Fruin: This is a little different than most of the liquor license applications in that the City will be the license holder. Typically it's been Summer of the Arts or the Iowa City Downtown District. Um, because this is not an event that they own, it's one that we pursued as a city, we would be the license holder, which is fairly common for cities that host RAGBRAI. Throgmorton: Okay! Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7- 0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 77 Item 10. Council Appointments. Applicants MUST reside in Iowa City and be 18 years of age unless specific qualifications are stated Item 10a Airport Commission Throgmorton: We have two vacancies to fill four-year terms. We received an application from Derek Lebrie. We have a one female requirement, one no requirement, so he's eligible. Mims: I will support him. Botchway: Second. Throgmorton: Sorry, I'm observing conversation over here. Mims: I don't know that we need to second it. We usually do those all at once but.... Botchway: I meant(both talking and laughing) Mims: I get it! (laughs) Yeah, he was the only application. He's a flight instructor. I thought he was (several talking) Throgmorton: I wanna see if I messed up somethin' here. Okay. Item 10b Historic Preservation Commission (At-large) Item 10c Historic Preservation Commission (College Green) Item 10d Historic Preservation Commission (E. College St.) Item 10e Historic Preservation Commission (Woodlawn) Throgmorton: We have one vacancy to fill a three-year term and we received.....uh, a list of applications for that at-large position. Thomas: I....I'm personally familiar with Quinton Pitzen and ucn....would support his.... appointment. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 78 Mims: I would only suggest that in a way we look at all four of these at once because of the gender requirements. Throgmorton: Gender requirements, yeah. Tryin' to figure out how to balance all that (both talking) Mims: Because we've got two female, one male, and one non. And if I read this right, we've got a number of applicants for at-large,we've got one for College Green, one for East College Street, and one for Woodlawn. (several talking) Is that how other people read it? Botchway: Yes! Mims: So....with only one male, when I looked at this, I thought Lee Shope was an acceptable.....candidate for Woodlawn (several talking) Cole: I would agree. Mims: So that takes out the one male. Throgmorton: Right. Mims: I thought Helen Burford was an acceptable candidate for College Green. Cole: Agreed. Throgmorton: You know on that point, I...maybe I overlooked it because I do such things occasionally, but I did not see...uh, the Hist....the College Green position in my packet. So I....it....I'm just sayin' that. I think Helen Burford would be great in that seat. Botchway: Wait a minute, so go...sorry, I missed this. So can we go back to the first one? So we decided who (both talking) Throgmorton: Derek Lebrie....for the Airport Commission. Botchway: I knew that part. I'm sorry, for the first (both talking) Mims: Lee Shope for Woodlawn. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 79 Throgmorton: Yeah, he's, uh, Woodlawn District, next page. (several talking) Mims: Lee Shope. He was the only applicant for Woodlawn(several talking) And Helen Burford was the only applicant for College Green. Taylor: Oh, I thought there was I thought Esther. (several talking) Mims: Esther was East College, and (both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, that's different. Mims: And, yeah, so Helen was the only one for College Green, correct? Botchway: She's East College as well. Taylor: She lives on East College also, isn't that....is that College Green? Mims: I don't know, cause somebody applied for Jefferson and they don't live in the Jefferson District, so..... Botchway: (both talking) it does say College Green Historic District on her application. For Helen Buford. Throgmorton: Apparently there's a seat for the College Green area and another seat for the East College Street area. Taylor: Oh I see (both talking) Throgmorton: So, Helen Burford, right? So, Susan, you were leadin' us to the point where we need one female and one none. Mims: Okay, so were we right that Helen Burford is for College Green? (several responding) Botchway: ...and it said on the application it said College Green Historic District (several talking) Mims: Okay. Then the way I worked through it, East College Street was Esther Baker, which I would leave open right now. She's had one partial and three full terms. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 80 Botchway: Agree. Mims: And just like we did with Jay Honohan with the Senior Center, I....I think we should leave it open for right now. Throgmorton: I don't object to that. (several talking in background) Mims: So we've got one male and one female, so that leaves us either....really anything, either gender,right, for at-large? Throgmorton: Okay. Botchway: Correct. Throgmorton: Yeah and we have quite a few people to choose from. Botchway: So (both talking) Throgmorton: I thought Pitzen was, uh....an excellent applicant, as John suggested earlier. Especially since Frank Wagner...we're not gonna, apparently not gonna reappoint Frank Wagner. Mims: I would agree. Taylor: Right. Thomas: And Quinton is a contractor, so....so he's very competent in the building trades, uh, particularly historic preservation type construction work. So seemed like a good fit. Cole: I'd support Quinton. Mims: That's fine. Throgmorton: All right. Botchway: I want to support Quinton as well, but my only....I would say my only piece to this, so I spent....problem is I'm not able to search (mumbled) so I'm kind of flipping back and forth. I just wanted us to make note of, um, I want....I don't wanna mess up the name, to Shu Wan or(can't hear)....actually had him as my This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 81 first person. I know it didn't have necessarily the same level of depth as some of the other candidates, especially in relation to the qualifications for experience. But I'm only noting that just because I'm gonna....there's gonna be a running theme as we run through these. So.... Throgmorton: Yeah, so I'd like to follow up on a certain point. Am I right in thinking that we need to have a....somebody from the building trades on the Commission, because that's one reason for appointing Pitzer and, uh.... Mims: Not on Historic Preservation. (several talking) Dilkes: Historic Preservation is based on the(several talking) representative from each district(both talking) Throgmorton: I say that because, uh, I don't know, maybe it was.... Dilkes: ....building trades..... Throgmorton: I got some kind of message indicating (both talking) All right. So we don't have to appoint Pitzer....Pitzen unless we want to. Taylor: I agree with Kingsley on Shu Wan, um, he was....it was kind of close between he and Quinton. Quinton with his remodeling experience and preservation, but um, Tuhwon, uh, had a knowledge of....of the Commission and what it does, uh, has history degrees, urn, he's young and, um, of course with the diversity he's, uh, Chinese so would be kind of good to have someone of that background on one of our commissions. Mims: Yeah, I did not....I felt somebody who's been, one, in the country. It sounded like for two years, or at least in Iowa City. I'm always.....cautious about appointing students to some of these,just because of longevity, um, within the community, urn, not totally against it, I mean,the...the Derek Lebrie's a student, flight instructor and student there. Um.....I'm trying to flip through like everybody else and find (both talking) Botchway: It's tough. Mims: Yeah, I know (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 82 Botchway: But I was, I mean that goes back to my point(mumbled) I mean level of diversity on the commissions. So I do appreciate that additional piece, and I mean there's some....there's some,there are some things that I kinda want to do, I don't know, electronically to help kinda.....look at things online, but I would believe that would present, I mean he would be, you know, our only diverse candidate on the commission. Um, and then I would also, you know, again I go back to the....the ultimately the answer that I would say isn't necessarily in the same line as, um, the other applicant, but research does show when you have a diverse member on a committee, you know, there's a deliberation that is different, relative to that, um....uh, member who holds a diverse identity compared to, um, the more homogeneous identities on our...on our board and commission. So again I...this is a running theme, so that's why my first was, urn, and I feel bad not necessarily knowing how to articulate the name Tuhwon,but urn....that's why I would....I would support, um, his particular designation. Mims: I'm comfortable with Pitzen. Cole: Yeah, so I think Pitzen—we have four votes, don't we? Throgmorton: For Pitzen? Cole: Pitzen. Throgmorton: Well, I don't know. You favored Pitzen, Rockne? Cole: Yeah. Throgmorton: John, you did? Susan,you do? (several responding) All right, let's go with Pitzen. Let me make sure I'm writin' that down, but you make a very good point, Kingsley, and so....we may get another opportunity on this. Item 10f Housing & Community Development Throgmorton: All right, the next is uh, Housing and Community Development. We have three vacancies for full terms, three-year terms, and we have a list of....applicants. Ten applications, ten applicants. Mims: Well I would just note, I believe there's an error....in this list. Throgmorton: Yeah, it should be nine. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 83 Mims: Bill Brandt should not be in this list. His application is for Planning and Zoning. Taylor: That is correct, Susan. Mims: I know. Throgmorton: Yeah(several talking) Mims: Bill Brandt should not be in this list. He's actually applied for Planning and Zoning. Salih: Oh! (several talking) Taylor: ....Planning and Zoning. Correct. Mims: Well my first one was Maria Padron. She's serving an unexpired term, um....and so lots of times when we have people who've filled a partial term,we do tend to give them opportunity for a full term. Salih: Sure! I agree. Mims: So....that would be my.....so that takes one female.... Botchway: Or one none. Mims: Or one none, correct. Cole: I agree. Taylor: Right. I like Maria also, again because to fulfill her term and the diversity again. She's Hispanic background. Botchway: I would....oh, go ahead. Salih: I like Maria and Megan. Throgmorton: Sony, you like who? Botchway: Megan Alter. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 84 Salih: Megan Alter and Maria, yeah. Like us two women. Cole: I support Megan Alter too. I was going to recommend her. Thomas: I had those two (talking in background) Botchway: I was actually going to support, uh, June Park. Um.....but I also like Megan Alter. So I'm.....I'm not necessarily as..... Mims: I'm sorry, who was the other one you were gonna..... Botchway: June Park. Did I not write (both talking) Throgmorton: It's not on my list! Mims: Park? Cole: She was on one of these. Yeah. (several talking) I think she was for HCDC, wasn't she, or was that(several talking) Mims: ....Human Rights (several talking) Botchway: Never mind! (laughs) (several talking) Mims: And I had David Smith as my other one. Salih: I like David Smith too. Throgmorton: I liked, uh, Fairdish....Fairdich. Botchway: Who did you say again? Throgmorton: Uh, Jessica Fairdich. Botchway: Wait a minute, we have two women now. Salih: We have two women already. We need one man. Botchway: We have Maria Padron and we have Megan Alter. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 85 Throgmorton: Well but we can have one female, one male, and one non or, you know(both talking) Mims: ...can only have two females. Dilkes: We're gonna change that! We're gonna get the females and males appointed and then leave the nons. It's too....(laughs) difficult! (laughter) Throgmorton: It is too difficult! Dilkes: Put the nons in (several talking) Mims: Okay, so if we've got Maria Padron and then do we have four that want Megan? (several responding) Okay, so that takes care of our female and our none. So I had David Smith down as the male. Botchway: I have (mumbled) make sure I'm doin' that right. Cole: Isn't Mazu Human Rights or was I (both talking) Taylor: Mazu was also Human Rights (several talking) Botchway: Oh, man, okay I do have my list messed up. Throgmorton: Did you say Balavo? Mims: David Smith. Throgmorton: Oh! Salih: David Smith. Throgmorton: So (both talking) Taylor: Both the males were good, uh.... Cole: ....Mitch...is it Mitch (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 86 Taylor: Mitchell....Brose, uh, I just had...concerns, he's applying for Johnson County, if there would be any conflict with that but he had a good understanding of what the commission does. Botchway: I....I have some concerns about David Smith. Um.....I feel a bit awkward about those concerns. How do.... Thomas: Well I liked Mitchell, so I don't know if you have any concerns about Mitchell. Botchway: I don't have concerns about Mitchell. Cole: Yeah, I like Mitchell. Taylor: I like Mitchell, except for if there was any conflict(several talking) Salih: ...David Smith and I like Mitchell too. Mims: When you talk about diversity, I thought David brought some characteristics to it that others don't. Botchway: Correct. No I...I would agree, I mean yeah,believe me this was a...this was a tough one. Cole: I want Mi....I like Mitch. Mims: I prefer David. Botchway: How did I mess this up? Sorry, I'm looking at my notes. Throgmorton: All right, I'm hearing lots of names bein' thrown around so (both talking) Taylor: ....toss up between Mitchell and David (both talking) Throgmorton: ....for Smith....who else is being proposed? I mean we already got Padron and Alter, but in terms of;uh (several talking) Thomas: Brouse....(both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, I have Brouse as a possibility and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 87 Mims: And David Smith (several talking) Throgmorton: All right, so.....let's see......uh, well, uh, you know I'm.....you know not knowing any of them really personally, I'd go with Smith. Cole: Looks like we have four votes for(several talking) Throgmorton: I don't know. Who's in favor of Brouse? Cole: I am. Throgmorton: One, two, three, four. All right, that settles that. Botchway: So we're on to Planning and Zoning? Item lOg Human Rights Commission Throgmorton: Uh(several talking) Human Rights Commission,unless we want to defer that to our next meeting(several talking) All right. Mims: Well we just have one female,right? Botchway: Yeah. Mims: So I just....left all the males off(laughter and several talking) Throgmorton: So hold on for just a second. This is Item 10g, Human Rights Commission, one vacancy to fill an unexpired term upon appointment. We have, what, 18 female applicants. (several talking) Thomas: I support Jiyun, who, uh..... Botchway: Yeah, that's what I messed up on (several talking) separate my list. I would agree! Cole: I think Jiyun's awesome. She's great, but I really like Bijou, urn, I don't know if she.....had the opportunity to talk with her. Um, it's my understanding she's a Congolese leader; incredibly articulate,passionate, very idea oriented, urn, Bijou has a lot of terrific ideas too and I think she'll be able to serve in other capacities, but I was very impressed with Bijou. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 88 Throgmorton: I'd like to say I know, of course I know Jiyun as well and I think very high...highly of her,but Bijou is phenomenal. Cole: That's what I (both talking) Throgmorton: I think she has tremendous potential. Cole: Yeah! Throgmorton: I don't know if you said this already, but she works at ACT. She's a translator. She's fluent in, I don't know, five languages—French, Arabic, Swahili, a tribal language which I can't remember the name of, and English. Cole: (several talking) ...random phone calls to get on a commission that turned into a really good conversation (laughs) so I was.... Taylor: This was a tough one! Everybody(both talking) Cole: ...run for Council some day, I mean she's very impressive! Taylor: Their applications, they were all so passionate about why they wanted to be on it and their knowledge of it, uh, Jiyun is....is a wonderful person and would be good on it also but Bijou reached out, obviously had called me too and, uh, she'd spoken to Stefanie Bowers about it and, uh....so she....and she's Congolese. I...I think she'd be....she'd be good for it too. I would go with Bijou. Mims: That's fine! Salih: Okay, yeah. Throgmorton: All right. Salih: Let's go for it! Item 10h Planning and Zoning Commission Throgmorton: We have one more to go! 10H, Planning and Zoning Commission. We have two vacancies to fill a five-year term and four applicants—Larry Baker, Doug Boothroy, Billie Townsend, and Bill Brandt. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 89 Salih: I like Billie Townsend and Larry Baker. Cole: Me too! Throgmorton: I strongly support Billie Townsend. Mims: I would say Billie Townsend and....Bill Brandt. Larry's been on it before. I think the idea, again, of getting new people on that haven't been on before. Throgmorton: Yeah, but that was 4...35, 40....almost 40 years ago. Mims: Well, still giving new people an opportunity. Taylor: I of course......uh, Billie would be wonderful on that and, um.....I would be supporting Bill Brandt. I think....she said Larry. He's been there, done that. Been on the Council even. Urn....and....and because of that may have even had some ties, which is why I had some concerns about Doug Boothroy. I applaud him for in his retirement wanting to do this but I think he might be just a little too close to....to some of like the developers and things, so I'd say Bill Brandt and Billie Townsend. Botchway: I'm supportive of Billie. Um.....I had Larry as well. But I....I'm hearing some .....where we at for Larry, or.....(several talking) Oh. I'm supportive of Bill. I do....I do think, you know, I would agree with, you know, in general, it's a process for me, so I would generally say that I like to see new members on Planning and Zoning Commissions. And I'm supportive of his application. Throgmorton: Potential conflict of interest. Let me see if this really is one. Uh, Bill Brandt has done electrical work at the house owned by my wife for 10 years now. Uh, you know....I talk to him once a year(laughs) Botchway: I don't know, it may be a conflict you think is bad! (laughs) Throgmorton: How many are supporting Bill Brandt? Salih: How many what? (several responding) Throgmorton: ....Brandt. One, two, three. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 90 Botchway: What? I thought I had four! I thought you just told me I had four! (several talking) Throgmorton: Well, how many are supporting(several talking) All right, how many support Larry Baker? How many support Larry Baker? Mims: I'd be curious why. Throgmorton: Uh, yeah. Well I think he has a lot of experience, uh, havin' to do with the issues that will be faced by the Planning and Zoning Commission, uh....primarily most recently as, uh....um, service on the Board of Adjustment. And prior to that, two times being on the City Council,but quite a long time ago—20 and 30 years ago. Mims: But (mumbled)really interested to go back and look at the P&Z appointments we've made since the last election, two years ago. And I think we've appointed a lot of people who don't have...haven't had any experience on P&Z, and haven't had any experience in other things. I think this is an attachment to somebody that you know and not.....continuing with the things that have been said from that election of diversity and new people and giving other people opportunities. Throgmorton: I know, speaking for myself, I know all four of the individuals pretty well. Mims: I....I just find it interesting because I knew when Bill Brandt applied there were a number of people said there's no way this Council will put Bill Brandt on the P&Z. Botchway: I like Larry, so I mean Larry, I know he watches, so don't take this personally (laughter) Don't write on my Facebook page! (laughter and several talking) Mims: I think the opportunities (several talking) I think the opportunity of expanding who's on there, giving different people an opportunity instead of.....recycling people,urn, even if it has been a lot of years, and I think this goes and flies in the face of what people in this Council have said about giving different people opportunities. Throgmorton: All right, uh, I think (several talking) Yeah, let me....let me state some names here. Botchway: Are we gonna.....quick question, Jim, before you go through. Do we need to do these separately or....can we do them all (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 91 Throgmorton: ...all at once. Mims: I'm gonna vote no. I'll just....I'm gonna vote no cause I think the P&Z is.... Throgmorton: All right, so we, uh,the motion would be to....appoint Derek Lebrie to the Airport Commission, Quinton Pitzen to the Historic Preservation Commission for an at- large seat, Helen Burford to the Commission for....for a College Green seat, uh... Lee Shope to the Historic Preservation Commission for a Woodlawn seat, uh, what's her name, Padron, Alter, and......Bro...Brouse to the Housing and Community Development Commission, Beshu Malibu to the Human Rights Commission, and Billie Townsend and Larry Baker to the Planning and Zoning Commission. Could I have a motion to that effect please? Botchway: So (several talking) Salih: ...move. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Huh? No? Taylor: Yeah. No. Throgmorton: Motion carries 5-2. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? Botchway: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Botchway, seconded by Salih. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 92 Item 12. Community Comment [if necessary] (items not on the agenda) Stewart: Hi, Gustave Stewart,UISG Liaison. I'm gonna keep this short and sweet because I know it's late and....um, all that, but as you probably all know, commencement occurred last weekend. Over 4,000 undergraduate students and many graduate students graduated. Throgmorton: It's too bad Ben didn't make it. Stewart: Yeah! (laughter) So, urn, and....and after this weekend, I kind of reflected back on how.....basically that all these students, they're going through and they're spending several years in Iowa City, and Iowa City does have an impact on them, as well as the University has,urn, the Iowa City community. That wherever they go, whether they're going, urn, somewhere else or they're staying in the area, that they're going to have a little bit of Iowa City in them, um,just by being here for several years. Urn, so.....yeah, the....what....these decisions we're making here make an impact on the students. Urn, and visa versa, so.....just a thought! Throgmorton: Fabulous! Thank you, Gustave. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 93 Item 13. City Council Information Throgmorton: I want to bring up one thing and then I'm not going to mention anything else, uh, on my list here. It's a pretty long list, but....uh, the Mayors Innovation Project will be holding its annual meeting in Grand Rapids, Michigan, from August 22nd through 24th. I plan to attend and I wonder if any one of you might like to join me. We are already members of the Mayors Innovation Project so there's no registration fee. Uh,there would be hotel accommodations and whatever travel's involved. And....so, um....uh....as I understand it, they're gonna discuss equitable economic development, creating healthy urban forests, using smart city technology, and several other topics. I can tell you more about the Mayors Innovation Project later on. Botchway: When'd you say it was? Throgmorton: (several talking) August 22 through 24. It's Wednesday through Friday. Botchway: Super interested (mumbled) Mims: I might be. Salih: I might. Taylor: I might be too. Throgmorton: Well, think about it. We don't have to....I think it's the 25th of May is like the deadline for applying and not havin' to pay some higher registration fee, but we don't have to pay registration fees so.....okay! So, um, let's see, where was (mumbled)um, Kingsley! You have anything you want to tell us? Botchway: Quick—Iowa Arena Fieldhouse groundbreaking tomorrow. Um, Iowa City shop crawl on Friday. Third annual inside-out, uh, fundraiser on the....19th and then I'll be running in the Celebrity Mile for Get Moving for Healthy Kids on the 20th! It's going to be interesting! Throgmorton: Maz? Salih: Oh! I guess we went to the (mumbled) grand opening(unable to understand) (laughs) I like the store. It's really....big and huge. A lot of people came. Great! Um......that's on (mumbled) Uh....I don't remember if I have something. As a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 94 City Councilperson I spoke to Kirkwood Elementary School students and you know,just give them hope and....you know, encourage them to be (unable to understand) What else (mumbled) City Council and tomorrow we gonna go to KXIC, right? In morning. Uh.....besides the rally was yesterday at the, for the, urn, you know (unable to understand) ...and that's all! Throgmorton: (mumbled) Rockne? Cole: Yes, following up on Mount Pleasant (both talking) Oh, go ahead! Throgmorton: Oh I'm sorry! Salih: Ramadan will be tomorrow, or after tomorrow, I don't know. Yes (laughs) Cole: So following up on Mount Pleasant, urn, on May 11t, 2000,just this past Friday, I was in Postville, Iowa, to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Postville raids, uh, that occurred in 2008, and for those of you who don't know, um, that particular raid involved nearly 389 people detained, made felons within a week, and removed to the country of Guatemala without,with very little process afforded them during that entire process. It devastated the community, uh, they are just now starting to recover. Um, one of the amazing things about Postville is a town of, you know, 2,000 people that's one of the most diverse cities in the United States in terms of for a town that size, and they've really built an incredible community. It still is amazing, but they were essentially destroyed by the actions of the federal government on that particular day. And, uh, Mount Pleasant hung over those proceedings. Uh, those of us who were involved in the original raid in one way or another were hopeful that this would never happen again, and we all promised ourselves that we would stand up and speak out and stop, urn, this from ever happening again, and Jim, to your point, you're absolutely correct. We have no legal authority to stop the federal government from executing,uh, federal law. They have the authority to do that. But I think it's very important in this day and age that we continue to speak out. We have First Amendment rights and we can speak out and stand out and say that these raids are wrong, uh, because one of the people that did stop the raid is a woman who's about five foot one, 75-years-old, uh, Sister Mary McCauley, and she was one of the key people that stopped that raid because she had the moral authority to say no, and she was the one that provided shelter to the immigrants who were afraid. They were afraid of what was going on, and she did speak out and she did make a difference, and so I think going forward, um, we as a Council have very little legal authority to stop any of these raids and we understand that. Urn, you know, one of the issues that's come This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 95 up,uh, in the Johnson County Board of Supervisor race is this question of poking the bear. IL...if we speak out we might alienate the legislature. They may do even more things to us. Well I think if....if there are raids that continue on, like Mount Pleasant, and that happens throughout the state of Iowa, cause that's what those of us who were afraid in the Postville process, that this was merely a template, an operational template to be replicated across the United States, and that was what they were planning on doing and I think that this is an operational template for what they are planning on doing throughout the United States. So....we may not have legal authority but I think we must speak out and strongly condemn what happened as morally wrong, unacceptable, and we must always stand on the side of the law, which is the United States Constitution. When people talk about law enforcement, that is the law. The United States Constitution. We have to ensure that those rights are honored. So that's that. Urn, it was a very moving event. Urn, the good news is is that....as evil as those raids were in 2008, they brought together so many different walks of life to stand together, and so even though we are very sad by what had happened in Mount Pleasant, uh, there was real power and energy there, and I think what Sister Mary McCauley said is she concluded by saying that we're called to a summons, we're summoned to speak out and to act and not stay silent because silence is complicity, and so I think I call upon all of you and those of you who are listening to answer Sister McCar....Sister Mary McCauley's summons to speak out and stand up for our fellow human beings that deserve to be treated with basic respect. So, that's all for that! Uh....onto more prosaic matters, uh, it is Bike to Work Week, or month, and I'm bike today, and there's gonna be....I'm gonna be biking home after the meeting today, and uh, there's gonna be an event tomorrow, urn, May 16a', 5:30. It's the, uh, Co-Op to Co-Op Ride, so I encourage people to check that out. I think it starts at the old New Pi to the new New Pi,but double check that, and keep looking at that particular calendar for all those various events, uh, cause that's a terrific event. For a guy like me that maybe needs to lose a few pounds, biking's really important. What better way to lower your carbon footprint, get some exercise, build some community then biking to work, so I encourage everyone to check that out! Thomas: Nothing for me. Mims: Nothing. Throgmorton: I'm not going to say anything else. Geoff? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 96 Taylor: You missed me! (laughs) And I had a few things to say! A...a lot's been happening in the last few weeks. I'll try to be quick though. Uh, early on in the month, obviously, a lot of us were there at the groundbreaking for Augusta Place. That was on May 3`d. Urn, May 6U'with the Garden Party at Wetherby. It was a nice event and not really well attended but Grow Johnson County and Global Foods, give thanks to them. They had some wonderful food and even the kids got, uh, excited about planting. Grow Johnson gave ya a big planter and....and choice of a pepper or a tomato plant. Uh, let's see, mentioned Joann's Fabrics already on the 10`s. I was just happy to see the Market Place and things going into Market Place. That's a really great thing! Talking about the Bike...Bike to Work Week, I participated yesterday in the bike,bus, car race challenge. Throgmorton: How did that go? Taylor: Uh, the bike's won, but uh, the bus driver,uh, bus driver Mike,he had to...he made, it was a regular bus, that made the regular stop outside of the Coralville Library. So he was on his regular route. So he had to continue to make stops. He made six or seven stops along the way, and the bikes could just keep going, although, uh, they say we made it in record time, uh, from the Coralville Library to Iowa City Library in only 17 minutes. So that's pretty good time. Just goes to show that you can ride the transit system and still get to where you wanna go. So that was fun! Um....let's see here.....oh, and Saturday evening, uh, the Senior Center, went to a wonderful event. The Folk Machine concert. If folks have never seen the Folk Machine, you've got to look for their next concert. It was at the Englert. It's a wonderful group of, uh, older folks, down to the youngest were like five or six-years-old, up like 70 or 80-years-old and just a really fun event with some folk music and that was really fun. Um....this Saturday, May 19th, uh, there's a minimum wage discussion at CWJ. Isn't it? Salih: Yeah but you know we gonna postpone it (laughs) Taylor: Well, scratch that then! Scratch that, it was gonna be a great event. But uh, and last but not least, urn,just congrats to all the recent U of 1 grads,uh, including my daughter, and uh, best wishes to all of them for their, uh, future and hope that that might include staying in Iowa City, and just on a side note, I noticed as they were announcing the masters graduate, there was a boatload of urban and regional planning graduates, so they're gonna be out there and...and helpin' to plan the community, so that was...that was great to see! (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018. Page 97 Botchway: ....I agree with, congratulations to your daughter. I don't agree with a car ever beating a bike! (several talking) Impossible! Throgmorton: All right, moving along. Geoff you said no. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15,2018. Page 98 Item 14. Report on items from city staff a) City Manager Throgmorton: Ashley? Monroe: Fifteen seconds. Uh, we met with the Climate Action Plan Steering Committee this morning. Um, long meeting, but pro....productive and look for us ramping up communications about the plan and getting everybody excited about the community meeting on the 11'h of July, um, and then the other two things, uh, more going on at the Senior Center, but uh, these are inter-generational events so teens to adults, um, there's a trivia night starts at 5:00 on Thursday the 17th, and then the Come As You Are Iowa City Pride is holding like a dance party at 8:00 on Friday, and it's free. Botchway: That was a liberal 15 seconds! (laughter) But good information! Monroe: I tried! (laughs) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of May 15, 2018.