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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018-08-21 Transcription Page 1 Item 2. Proclamations 2.a. Library Card Sign-up Month Throgmorton: (reads proclamation) So, is there anyone here to, uh, accept this proclamation? Like Susan or....oh! Please, come on up! Good evening. Paetzold: Good evening. My name's Robin Paetzold and I chair the Library Board of Trustees and I wanna thank you for taking the time to do this. The Library's an essential part of this community. We like to think of it as the heart of downtown, and the...a common place for all the different sub-communities to intersect in ways that are unique in the city. So thank you for taking the time to make this proclamation for us! Throgmorton: Excellent! Robin, I wonder if you could come up and accept, uh,the proclamation. (applause) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 2 Items 3-8. Consent Calendar- Consider adoption of the Consent Calendar as presented or amended 8. Correspondence 8.m. Establishment of"No Parking Any Time" parking prohibition on one side of Arbury Drive Throgmorton: Please state your name and keep your co...uh, your comments to not more than five minutes. Canady: Sure! Good evening, I'm John Canady. I live at 64 Arbury Drive and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to address you tonight. We've lived in that house for 28 years and currently there's parking on both sides of the street. There have not been, to the best of my knowledge over that period of time, any instances where emergency vehicles were unable to access that street. It's a....it's, you know, a U-shaped street that comes off of Sunset in that,uh, area. So there's access from both directions. Um, I think,you know,there....I understand that the Fire Department's been involved with this and I understand there's....there's other opinions,but I think when you look at safety of that neighborhood,besides the safety of emergency vehicles, there's safety of the residents there as well, and given the number of cars that park currently on both sides of the street, if it goes to one side or the other, independent of which side,there'll be cars there continuously. So there'll be continuously cars that I don't know parked on the curb in front of my house 20 feet from my ground floor windows,20 feet from my front door, 20 feet from when my wife steps out to run, and you know, in this environment that's here now, I think that's a very scary situation. And I...I hope that the Council would reconsider that if the issue is football parking, we can deal with it on those specific instances,but I think to change the parking like that really changes the appearance and the safety profile of that street, and I hope that, uh,that amendment does not go through. So,thank you very much...and my wife would like to speak (mumbled) Throgmorton: Sure! Plea....please state your name. Canady: My name is Laurie Canady. Lived with my husband there for....since 1990 and I echo his concerns. It will be scary to have cars on just one side of the street, as far as I'm concerned. In addition, in talking to staff and I wanna thank staff. Kent has been great to talk to us. We've invited people to come over and look at this particular situation. Arbury Drive, as John stated, is a horseshoe. It's This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 3 adjacent to Sunset, which is a downhill street. Iowa City is a bicycle-friendly community, and we've got bicycles,people like me that walk,jog, and run. We take our kids walking to Horn. We walk them to Northwest Junior High bus stop, or we take 'em to West High. It's not gonna be safe, in my opinion, to have Arbury Drive,both Arbury Drives, the horseshoe, adjacent to Sunset and have parking on one side of the street because of visibility with walkers,joggers, runners, and kids. So I would like you to reconsider this and think about it. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you. Salih: I have some item I wanna comment on them. Throgmorton: Maybe we should figure out what we wanna do here. Uh, we could pull this item for now, for separate consideration, right? Uh, or simply keep it in the Consent Calendar and vote on the Consent Calendar as a whole. Uh, I wonder if any one of you would wanna make a motion for pulling it for separate(both talking) Dilkes: You don't have to make a motion. Anybody can pull it off. Throgmorton: Okay. Uh, are there (both talking) Okay, so we'll pull this for separ...well, not for separate...we're gonna have to vote on it separately though, right? Yeah. Okay so we're gonna vote separately on Item 8m, uh, after we go through the rest of the Consent Calendar. Yeah? Okay. So, Maz, you wanted to say something? Salih: Yes, I wanna comment on Item#8a....for the(both talking) Yes (several talking) 8a. Throgmorton: ....a. Thank you. Item 8. Correspondence 8.a. Mary Gravitt: Bus Shelters on Muscatine and First Avenue 8.d. Annie Tucker: Concern about a policy that seems to affect people unequally 8.j. Kyle Sydness: Apartments Downtown This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 4 Salih: Uh, bus shelter on Muscatine and First Avenue and I just will comment that the staff follow up and consider, you know(unable to understand) commendation seriously, because this is important. And#.....um.....8d, concern about policy that seem to affect people....you know, for the, um.....vehicle impounded fees increased $25 a day and I think this is really hard for the low-income families who get their check, like they live on check by check. Say if my check will come after....my car is impounded today and my check will come after like two week from now. (mumbled) will increase like it going to be hard on like low-income people to do so, especially the people who don't have money in the bank, so they can go out and pay immediately. I really recommend that, you know, to refer this to the Human Right Commission and the CPRB for advice and recommendation on that. And....also,the last one is,uh, 8j, which is Apartment Downtown. Urn, also I recommend that, you know, this apartment to be inspected, so we can.... cause they complain about the condition of the apartment. That's it! Thanks! Throgmorton: Okay. Pauline? Taylor: I had a quick question. Maybe Geoff can answer this on 8a also, Mary Gravitt, uh, as she had talked to us over the years about the need for shelters. We had approved increase in budget, our budget for shelters. Did any of those, uh, that she mentioned, uh, I don't remember any specific locations being indicated, but are...will any of the money be go....go to some of those(both talking) Fruin: I believe some, not all, but I don't have that answer right now. Urn, we can report back and certainly let you know where those new bus shelters will be deployed. The ones that you authorized in the budget are a combination of replacement shelters and new shelters, and uh, I know we have several of the locations identified. I'm not exactly sure about all the ones she mentions. 8.1. Patricia Koza: 101 Lusk Avenue [Staff response included] Taylor: Urn, and also in Correspondence, Item, uh, 81,um....from the resident, uh, regarding 101 Lusk Avenue. I know that was certainly, uh, a sore topic for quite some time and I wondered if,uh, the staff had followed up with the contractor on some of those issues that, uh, those neighbors....those neighbors have been through enough anguish already over that project and, uh, was there some follow up (both talking) Frain: Yes we did. Yes we did. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 5 Taylor: Okay. Very good! Throgmorton: Any....any further discussion? 6.g.Willow Creek Park Improvements--Resolution approving, authorizing and directing the Mayor to execute and the City Clerk to attest an Agreement by and between the City of Iowa City and Snyder and Associates to provide engineering consultant services for the Willow Creek Park Improvements Project. Taylor: Uh,there would....one other, uh, 6g, the Willow Creek Park improvements. I was,uh,just wanted to comment that I was glad to see that, uh, in there it said that at least part of the playground should be, uh, would be poured in rubber matter, which I thought was very....we had talked about that and I think it's very important and then I did have a question for the, uh, Councilors that attended the, uh,Party in the Park which was at Willow Creek and wondered if any of the, uh, attendees had talked about the park improvements at all or mentioned it? Mims: Not with me when we were there(both talking) Thomas: ....parks have their own kind of.....listening post(laughs) (both talking) Taylor: Oh, separate from (both talking) Thomas: .....you know, for developing the park improvements. Taylor: Okay! Throgmorton: You were preempted! (laughter) 6.h.Lower City Park Adventure Play Project--Resolution approving, authorizing and directing the Mayor to execute and the City Clerk to attest an Agreement by and between the City of Iowa City and Hitchcock Design Group to provide engineering consultant services for the Lower City Park Adventure Play Project. Taylor: And then,uh(both talking) I would be remiss if I didn't, uh,talk about,uh, 6h. and although,urn, I'm ....I'm all for the improvements to Lower City Park adventure playground,but I continue to get almost on a daily basis comments, um, emails and uh,phone calls about,uh....the,uh,play....the train, etc.,being This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 6 removed from the park, and um....I myself saw it as a great way for kids, uh, to improve their imagination,you know, that they're riding a train or they're riding a horse on the carousel, so I was hoping that maybe at a work session or something we could....investigate ways of at least retaining the train. Obviously it might have to be a newer train but having it in the budget to do that,because, um, you know, the inclusive play area—that's great, and um.....having, uh, an adventure and inclusive play area, that's wonderful, but I think the children have always loved the train and the carousel and like I said, it sparked our imagination and I would like to see....see that continue somehow. That's all! Throgmorton: Yeah. Fruin: Our.....our plan is to sell the equipment in about 30, 45 days, so if the Council wants to have that discussion, we need to know. Otherwise we'll....we'll need to put that on hold. Throgmorton: Yeah, and....and we know from prior discussion that the downtime for that train has been significant and it's been very costly to try to keep maintaining it, repairing it and so on. So therein lies the challenge. I....we can't just keep maintaining it the way it is now. Any further discussion? Cole: To follow up on Mazahir's request for 8d, that strikes me as a reasonable, um, proposal, to kick it up to the Human Rights Commission for further investigation. Um, do we need to do a separate motion? I don't know if you have a comment on that (both talking) Fruin: ....least explain that, and my staff response is in here, but that's a....that's a fee that is charged by a private company. It's not one that....that is defined in City code. So this....the situation we're talking about is when the police have to impound a car. They have to have a....there's some violation with the vehicle. The car needs to be towed. We have a contract with the local towing company. In that contract it specifies what rates they can charge, and this is one of the rates that they can charge. A....a daily fee for maintaining a vehicle is pretty standard in the industry. Now when the contract comes back up in 2020 and we're working with local wrecking companies or towing companies, we can try to.... suggest and....and demand through out contract that there's no, um....uh.....uh, storage fee, but that...again, that's a pretty typical fee for....for towing companies. So if they could (both talking) probably just increase their towing costs to cover (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 7 Cole: ...and I understand that, and I'm not even saying what proposal that I would adopt, and I understand there's a private contract,but I think in terms of starting that process now, so that when they do come up in 2020 we can sort of have some of the heavy lifting done. I mean so I think it's a good idea. Maybe the Human Rights Commission will come back and say we don't wanna do anything with it. But....I don't know if we need a separate proposal on that or....to me that strikes me as reasonable. Throgmorton: I'm comfortable with it, asking for advice from the Human Rights Commission, but I don't know that that's gonna alter our behavior in,uh, at least not in the short run. Cole: Yeah, I understand that. For the long run(both talking) Throgmorton: I'd like to say for....for the benefit of the audience here, normally we don't have detailed discussions about correspondence that appears in our formal packet. We don't do that here. We usually discuss those kinds of things in our work session, which just ended. But we spent about an hour discussing disproportionality in traffic stops, searches and arrests because we thought that was a very important topic to be looking at carefully, and we did not have time to....to have this kind of discussion. So it's not normal for us to go into detail like this about specific, uh, items (mumbled) on the,uh, Consent Calendar during our formal meeting. All right, uh, I think we have a motion on the floor. Uh, and I....any further discussion about the motion? Fruin: (both talking) get clarified. You want us to take that issue to the Human Rights Commission. Am I seein'.....okay (several responding) Throgmorton: No further discussion? Roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. So I....Item 8m, establishment of no parking any time. This is,uh, what is it? Is it an ordinance? Or resolution? (several talking) 8.m. Establishment of"No Parking Any Time" parking prohibition on one side of Arbury Drive Fruin: It's a correspondence. Just an update. Staff....staff has to update Council on our plans, for this purpose, so that you can intervene, but it's not a(both talking) Throgmorton: Um,yeah so (mumbled) so it's just a....an update on(both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 8 Dilkes: Just a motion. Throgmorton: It's a motion to establish a no parking any time parking prohibition on one side of Arbury Drive. It's not(both talking) Dilkes: It's almost just an acceptance of... Throgmorton: Correspondence,right? Dilkes: (several talking) correspondence but I think that it....if you want to give staff some different direction, then I think that direction just needs to be given. Throgmorton: Right. Well,this is one I haven't encountered before so it's not entirely clear how....how to say it. So, uh, I....I..... Dilkes: So staff is telling you that they are going to, urn, establish a no parking any time ....a parking prohibition on one side of Arbury Drive. Throgmorton: Right, so could I have a....we already have this I guess, a motion to accept correspondence concerning.... Dilkes: Sure! Throgmorton: .....establishing a no parking any time....for a parking prohibition on one side of Arbury Drive. That....all right, and did we already have a....a motion and a second on that? (several talking) Moved by Mims, seconded by who? Cole: Me. Cole. Throgmorton: Cole. Discussion? Uh, I assume there was a,uh....um, a....a survey of residents, right, about whether or not they....how they would respond to the idea of establishing this no parking prohibition. Can you recall what the results of that survey were, or is there someone, one of our staff members out there who could do that? Kent is out there. Thank you. Ralston: Yeah, good evening. Kent Ralston, Transportation Planner. Yeah, so just a quick history on this. Um, several months back I received a concern from a resident on Arbury Drive concerned with on-street parking, generally in the safety of on- street parking, and in particular with the pending football games that will be starting and football game parking. Uh, about a month later, um,well, staff went This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 9 out, investigated the issue, found the street to be 25-feet wide, and as is customary when we do that, I typically call the Fire Chief and discuss emergency access issues with him when there's parking currently allowed on both sides of the street because it's 25-feet wide. Uh, the Fire Chief indicated that he had concerns with that. Um,by way of background, our current zoning code for subdivisions would prohibit parking to one side of the street if less than 28-feet wide. So this development was built, you know, 20, 30 years ago, um,but that is what usually tips me off to calling the Fire Chief Uh, there was no formal survey, um, provided to the neighborhood, but a letter was provided to the neighborhood asking for correspondence, urn, which is included in the packet, and there are several folks here tonight, the Canadys, to talk with respect to this item. So,urn, it's customary for us to survey the neighborhood if there's not an emergency response concern. In this case there is. Cole: Kent, um, have you explored the concept of staggered,urn,parking? I know in San Francisco that's a concept that's used. Have you explored that and is that feasible? Ralston: Yeah. I'm very familiar with it. We don't typically do it in Iowa City for a few reasons. One is for, uh, other City services—plowing, garbage collection and those sorts of things that create some issues. Um, the other issue is just the fact of, again, public safety, and I can't say that it's less safe to do that, but you certainly have a staggered issue where you may end up with, uh, you know, sideswipes and that sort of thing occurring. So we typically don't do that. Um, you certainly could. In this case, uh,unfortunately even staggering the parking, I don't think....that would reduce speeds, for instance, but in this case it's really not a speeding issue I think that folks are objecting to. It's just the fact that you're doubling up whatever parking is currently on street onto one side of the street. Uh, we did three different observations, uh, three different occasions. One in the morning, one during the day, and one during the evening, and we found, I think, of the 28 or 9 homes that face Arbury Drive, there was, uh, at most eight vehicles on the street. So I don't think doubling that up, urn, onto one side of the street will make a,um, a big impact in terms of the transportation at least. Throgmorton: Okay. Any questions for Kent? Ralston: Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Kent. Council discussion? Basic question is: do...do we wanna just accept the correspondence or do we wanna give the staff some,uh, different This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 10 direction? I personally would, uh,just accept the correspondence. I don't wanna be tellin' the staff how to do this particular type of work at all. It's not....I....I have no expertise in doin' that kind of thing and I want to defer to the staff's judgment about it. It's a technical matter. Taylor: I certainly wouldn't, uh, question the staff's decision, but what I do have concerns about is,um....in other words, singling out this street in particular. I mean there are many streets, uh, there's, uh(mumbled) where football parking or some other events parking, people park up and down that street and there....there was an added,uh, no parking corner to here by the stop sign area which helped a little bit but it's still very dangerous with the cars parked on either sides of the street, and a lot on the west side,particularly on the football days,many of the streets, uh, there's cars and I...I would just think or hope that some of these ones, as you mentioned, most of those homes in that neighborhood, and I live in that neighborhood, are over 30 years old and so the streets, uh, couldn't they be grandfathered in and....and my question would be was there a safety concern? Was there a time....why did this person, um....single that street out and say have concerns, did....did the Fire or Police have some difficulty getting....getting to that street? Ralston: Yeah, Kent Ralston, Transportation Planner. No I don't think there was anything specific that, um.....that....that led this person to call me. I think it just was on her mind and with football game day parking starting I think her comment was something to the effect of that it needs to be addressed and she didn't want to go through another year of football game day parking. Uh, I can tell you I had a conversation with the Fire Chief this morning too. They actually took one of their engines out, uh, some time in recent history, um, and had very, uh.....very much trouble getting that engine around, uh, Arbury Drive, and in fact he had mentioned one of their....their fireman actually got out to make sure they weren't going to hit cars as they passed through. So again, I don't think there was a specific issue,just something that was on the resident's mind. Salih: But if there is another street around the area is 25 feet too, like.... Ralston: Yeah.... Salih: ....surrounded the area? Ralston: Yeah, as Council Member Taylor mentioned, I mean there are other 20 fo...25- foot wide streets, urn, in town certainly. Our policy's been not to go seeking these This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 11 issues and then trying to solve, uh, a problem that may not exist just yet, urn,but when we do receive a concern from a resident and then when we go out and actually observe vehicles parked across from each other, thereby creating the issue, that's when we typically(both talking) Salih: How many resident they have concern? Only one or many? Ralston: In this particular case it was one resident calling to speak on behalf of others, but I can't(both talking) Salih: But there is many also came and say this is not a concern (unable to understand) they never came and say this is a concern. Ralston: No. No. Salih: I think wherever we are not doing it for this street, don't do it for the other, or you do all the street together or don't do any one. Ralston: Right, and we could....we could do that, at Council's direction. It may just be (both talking) Salih: That's my opinion...on this. Ralston: It may be......looking for a solution to a problem that may not exist but(both talking) Cole: I certainly don't wanna wake up, my position is I don't wanna wake up one morning and read about a fire that occurred and having one of our fire,uh, trucks not being able to access that street, I mean that's an absolute nightmare scenario and I don't wanna wait until that happens. So, urn, I do not like changing streets. I think residents get used to that sort of feel, um, so I hear the Canadys concerns. I think they're totally reasonable,but I...I just,that's my position on that. So maybe as Mazahir says, maybe we do need to sort of audit this because that is a safety concern, and I think we do need to look at that potentially, but that'd be a separate matter. Salih: I would agree with him but you'll have to look at all the streets, you know, if you wanna do it, do it to all the streets, but you cannot just do....1 understand safety's important and we have to do but when we do something we do it for all of them. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 12 Ralston: Yeah and we certainly could with Council direction,urn, not all streets are created equal, even if they're 25-feet wide,um, you have to remember for instance, urn, there's grid street patterns where the....and the Fire Chief can talk more to this, but where they have an easier,uh, way to access homes and multiple points of access. In this case it's a loop street and if you're at the end of the loop street, you're...you don't have a lot of access points. Salih: Sure. Throgmorton: Is there any...any interest in,uh, on the part of the Council in having a work session discussion focusing on, uh, sort of the general question of whether all streets kinda like this should have a common policy, I mean that's....there's a better way to express it than I just did but I think my meaning is clear. I....I (several talking) Cole: I think it's worth a conversation, especially because of the public safety ramifications. Salih: But we should postpone everything until we have that conversation(unable to understand) for the single street until we come up with something. Mims: I think if somebody has brought this forward and staff and....and Fire Chief have gone out and looked at this and determined that there is a safety issue then I think we should move forward with this street at this time. Throgmorton: I...I do too. I just wanna know if....if there's, I mean maybe others disagree but....if....then beyond the particular question,there's this general question, do we wanna open up whether or not we should have a common policy for all streets that are kinda like this one. I don't think it rises to the level of needing to dedicate a work session discussion on it. There are lots of things on our table. We have a lot to do. In fact tonight we have a lot to do and....um.....I'd kinda like to do it. Mims: I would agree. I think we can look at these, you know, as they come forward. If people in the neighborhoods are feeling that they're....there are a lot of, enough cars parked on those streets and parking opposite each other that they feel that there's a safety concern then I think we can, you know, address it at that time. Thomas: Yeah, I just quickly, and I know we're sort of lagging behind our...where I think we should be with this meeting that, you know, I had raised with staff the....the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 13 concept of alternating with the....with a transition between the alternation of parking on both sides of the street, which I think....from what I've seen and observed,urn,has certain advantages in terms of trying to balance the parking between both sides and on those streets where speeding may be an issue,uh, providing, uh, a lane....a lane realignment at that transition, which could have a calming effect on the traffic. So there may be.....maybe not necessarily on this street but on other streets where....using that strategy may be....a traffic calming option. Um.....so I mean I am interested in carrying on that conversation. I....I hadn't....I may have missed this item and I....it was something that was of interest to me,urn.....so..... Throgmorton: Let me suggest this. If....if anyone, John, you or Maz or Rockne wants to put this on the work session, pending list of work session topics, please bring it up when we get back into our work session later on tonight and make sure that that comes up and then we'll see if there's sufficient support for doin' that. Okay? (several responding) All right. So we have a motion on the floor. The motion is to accept correspondence and we need a roll call on this? Offices: No,just all in favor. Throgmorton: All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 14 Item 9. Community Comment(items not on the agenda) Throgmorton: Uh, anyone who would like to address this, uh, address us on any topic that is not on the formal meeting agenda should feel free to come up and speak to us. Please state your name and take not more than five minutes to address your topic. Barker: This is freestyle! (laughter) Okay! Throgmorton: Well maybe butterfly, I don't know what's the word(laughter) Monarch butterfly night or day or whatever (several talking and laughing) Good evening! Please state your name and, you know, limit your time. Barker: I am Lucy Barker. Paradee: I am Patty Paradee. Barker: (both talking) We're from Houses into Homes. Early this year we created a new local non-profit organization called Houses into Homes. Using donated items we provide beds, furniture, and household goods for families and individuals in need or coming out of homelessness. We have partnered with Habitat Restore to collect mattresses and box springs, and through referrals from student and family advocates at our schools and other social service agencies, we have been able to provide nearly 70 beds to 31 families and individuals in need. That means we have kept well over 100 mattresses and box springs out of our landfill. We believe that our model is of benefit to many in our community. For families and individuals in need we provide beds, and even completely furnish their empty houses or apartments. The stability of having a comfortable home allows families to focus on other pressing needs that often burden people transitioning into a more positive place in their lives. Our donors readily embrace our mission and are happy their gently used items can find a new home, as well as help someone in need. And of course our efforts prevent furniture, beds, textiles, and other items from contributing to our ov....already overtaxed landfill. You may remember the Furniture Project, which offered furniture to families and individuals through their caseworkers in an open house system. It no longer exists and it is clear that the service it provided is needed in this area. In fact I spoke with a social worker today who told me Houses into Homes is a desperately needed program. For the social service agencies and social workers in the area, we take the burden of finding and transporting furniture for their client off their shoulders so they can focus on the services they normally provide. We are excited to let you know about Houses into Homes tonight and hope that by speaking here we can spread This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 15 the word about our organization, the service we provide, and our needs, which include warehouse space and financial support. Thank you! I've got some information and business cards I can leave. Paradee: And by transformation....or,transportation, I mean, our pickup trucks, we rent U- Hauls, a lot of it on our own costs. We are renting two,uh, storage units rights now (both talking) so this is a labor of love, but it's also something that's getting a little bit....people want to give us more furniture but we have no place to store it and the need is great. We're doing two, uh (both talking)this weekend so....and it's just our husbands (laughs) our kids and some friends and...although St. Andrew's has let us use their, urn,the...their storage for a short time, we can't use it for very long. We were just hoping that we could be helped out with some either free storage (laughs and both talking) storage. That's pretty much what we were looking for. Barker: Or general support. Paradee: Or general support. Throgmorton: Thanks so much for coming and letting us know about your new venture! Barker: Thank you! Paradee: (mumbled) Throgmorton: Anyone else? Okay, seeing no one else I'm gonna turn to Item 10, Planning and Zoning matters. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 16 Item 10. Planning and Zoning Matters 10.a.Rezoning between Burlington and Court Street- Pentacrest Garden Apartments—Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 3.41 acres from High Density Multifamily Residential(RM-44)zone to Riverfront Crossings - South Downtown Subdistrict(RFCSD)zone located at 12 E. Court Street. (REZ18-00014) 1.Public Hearing(Continued from 5/15, 5/29, 7/3, 8/7) Throgmorton: I'm gonna open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Would anybody like to address this topic? Decker: Good evening. Throgmorton: Howdy! Decker: Hi! Rob Decker, uh,Project Manager for the 12 E. Court Street, urn, Penta... otherwise known as Pentacrest Garden Apartments' project. Uh,real quick tonight,urn,just wanted to be here again. Thanks for the dialogue and the discussion to date. We've appreciated it as much as you guys have. Um, I think these types of dialogue are good for the community and good for all of us to have for....for virtually any type of project, but especially really large ones. Urn, we've heard you and tried to provide some supplemental information, as I'm sure you're aware, at many of the previous,uh, Council meetings, and tried to answer many of the questions you've had. Some of those aren't answerable but we've tried to get....to get you what answers we can. Um, and in that vein, urn, at the last meeting, uh, Geoff suggested and we....we,there was kind of a discussion at the end about the conditional zoning agreement and amending that. Uh, one had already been signed, as you....as you all know and amending that, um, the Mayor had suggested,urn, four....I would call it four items. He...three and a half items but whatever we wanna call it(laughs)three and a half; four items,urn, and in that vein, uh,had some good discussions with City staff,urn, City Attorney, um, fine-tuning that,but really keeping it in the spirit of everything,really keeping it in that spirit pretty much the same, in my opinion, urn, fine-tuning some language as you'd expect but, urn, I think you'll see that those...those items are there. Um, and so, uh, and.....and that was signed earlier this week, so....that's really all I had to say! Pretty short and sweet tonight. Throgmorton: Thanks, Rob. Nice to see ya! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 17 Decker: Sure! Thanks! Throgmorton: Anyone else? Hi, Bill. Gerhard: Hey,hi! Bill Gerhard, uh, Iowa City resident, President of the Iowa State Building Trades. I was at the last meeting when we talked about the Pera... Pentacrest Garden. I just wanna say that after the meeting I had an opportunity to talk with Rob and Jeff Clark and....and tell them my concerns, that we don't have an issue or situation like we did at The Rise and....uh, I'm....I'm glad I did. They're open to further discussion. I look, uh, forward to meeting with 'em and getting into more of the details,but uh, so I hope this, uh, this passes and we can start buildin' stuff! Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Bill. Anyone else? Peterson: Hi! Throgmorton: (mumbled) Peterson: My name is Royce Peterson (both talking) Throgmorton: Good to see you, Royce! Peterson: I'm,uh, with the Carpenters Local 1260 here in Iowa City. I, of course, uh, stand up in favor of....of building construction, of course that's our livelihood as carpenters. I also have concerns as far as what has, uh, happened, transpired previously on some projects. Urn,The Rise project had a developer come in, hired, uh, a contractor named (mumbled) Kenny, which in turn hired some sub- contractors that did tax fraud on the job site, and exploited,uh,workers and that is a major concern to us. We wanna make sure that these type of projects go up and go up treating their workers fairly and, uh, creating sustainable jobs for the people in the community. Uh,but I definitely stand in favor of this rezoning. Throgmorton: Thanks, Royce. Peterson: Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription off the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 18 Throgmorton: Good to see you. Anyone else? Seeing no one, I'm on the verge of closing the public hearing. I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) All right, could I have a motion for first consideration please? 2. Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) [Deferred from 5/15/,5/29, 7/3, 8/7 Mims: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Salih. Discussion? So, I.....I think I wanna say a few things right at the start and then,uh, enable everyone else to say everything they need to. Um....and then I wanna say this mainly for the public's benefit,uh, as....as some of you know, at our last meeting on August the 7th,the developer submitted a substantial amount of new information, which was really very helpful. Afterwards we had two possible courses of action. The first was to continue the public hearing and defer first consideration to tonight,uh, and that was to give us time to maybe work out some negotiated set of new conditions for the rezoning, or second, to vote on the motion to approve the proposed rezoning. During discussion of the first possible course, deferral, I read what Rob just referred to as three and a half conditions (laughs) (coughing) which we then had a subsequent discussion about, uh, on the Council. Um, and you know, it was a thorough discussion and...and revealed that there were three in favor and three opposed. So, we....were at....at an impasse and luckily Geoff, our City Manager, intervened and suggested the possibility that he reach out to the developer and see if they could,um, come up with some language that would be mutua....mutually agreeable,based on the three and a half conditions that I had recommended. Geoff did reach out to the developer, the developer as Rob just indicated,uh,was agreeable. There were some subtle changes that are not trivial,plus another modification which we'll have to go through a little bit. Uh, and that has...is what's come back to us, and the developer has signed that,uh,proposed, um, conditional rezoning agreement. So we're in a position now to act....to act on it. So,three....uh,yeah, so....that's where we are now. Uh(mumbled) so what I think we need to do is go through the proposed CZA, conditional zoning agreement, step by step, at least with regard to the new parts, and one, Geoff, you will probably have to describe, which has to do with the Capitol Street,um....uh, dedication to the City. And, uh, so we'll give each Council Member will have a chance to....comment on the, if they need to, on the proposed language of the CZA....uh, of the amended CZA. Does that sound reasonable to all of you? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 19 (several responding) Yeah. Okay. So, Geoff,would you please,uh, describe that part? Froin: You want me to go through the four new ones or just the revis...just the, uh, Capitol Street one? Throgmorton: Well you....you could, uh....probably read the...ea....each of them, but read the first one about Capitol Street and then we'll see if there's any discussion that Council needs to have about that and then go to the next,then go to the next one (mumbled) Fruin: Okay. So the....the memo gives you a summary of that,urn, so if you're looking at the memo, it's the second page of the memo under the sub-heading `Revised Condition.' As we started talkin' about the CZA, urn,the,uh, applicant noticed the language which is fairly standard language for us on the timing of the dedication of right-of-way. So typically when we are, uh,having(coughing, difficult to hear speaker) dedicate right-of-way to us,we require that at the time of building permit. Um, in most cases it's a small sliver of right-of-way and it's a, probably a....a modest size project. This is a....a very significant,uh,project, that is likely to be done over the course of many years. It could be phased, uh, as it's been presented with four....four towers, it could be phased over four years or three years, and,um, without getting into the, uh, the....the design yet,the applicant doesn't really know how that phasing's going to come together. Um, they wanted to preserve some of the, uh, ability to use the future Capitol Street right-of-way for staging, or uh,possibly maintaining one of the existing buildings that they have there as a....as a rental, as it is now,while they're building the first phase. We don't know what that's gonna look like cause they....they haven't gone into that design yet,but what we tried to do in the conditional zoning agreement is build in some flexibility on the timing of the dedication and then the improvement of the Capitol Street right-of-way. So instead of just having it at, uh, the time of building permit,which would mean before they pull that first permit they have to give us that huge right-of-way right through the middle of the property,we said that we would base our decision,uh, on a phasing plan that they would submit, and that phasing plan would have to be submitted before the time of.....of permitting. Uh, we don't know what that phasing plan will say, so we wanted to....to make sure that there was an end date in which they had to give us, uh, that right-of-way or dedicate that right-of-way to us,uh, so we said 36 months after the issuance of the initial building permit is when the right-of-way has to be dedicated. So within three years of the time when we issue that first building permit they have to....to dedicate that right-of-way to us. We may require it This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 20 sooner, depending on their phasing plan,but no more than 36 months. And then after the time it's dedicated, no more than 24 months to actually construct the improvements that we approve for that Capitol Street design. So in the,uh...um, most,uh, significant scenario,uh, you'd be looking at the time of building permit, 36 months to have it dedicated and another 24 months to have it actually constructed,uh, to our,uh, specifications that we agree to. That make sense? Throgmorton: Yeah. So are there any questions about...or reactions to that, uh,proposal? Cole: Geoff, when would the property tax revenue likely come on,uh, online in terms of when the City would actually start receiving revenue from the project, assuming it's approved. Fruin: You know, a project like this, I mean if....if the rezoning's approved this....this fall, urn, they'll probably have another leasing period,uh, if not two leasing periods, and then,uh, if it's of the scale that the....the developer's certainly looking for, you're....you're talkin' two year construction project on a....on a scale like that. So from today, five years at best. Probably six. Cole: In terms of when we'd actually start receiving the revenue? Okay. Throgmorton: Uh, I'd say the proposed condition makes complete sense. I....I don't feel...or sense any objection to that at all. I would like to observe that we have received some other correspondence from other people,not developers but other people in the city, expressing, uh...concern about the,uh....oh,uncertainty about demand for student housing,uh, in structures of this type in the future that would be related to possible changes in student enrollment at the University of Iowa, and uh.....the.....the, all the other,um,multi-family units that have been coming online and the effect on vacancy rates and all that kind of stuff. And....I would say that given all.....all the information alluded to in those letters and information I'm aware of anyhow from....bein' in this position for quite a while, is...is that if I were a developer, I would....be....I'd be payin' close attention to risk and uncertainty about future demand for student housing in these kinds of facilities, and uncertainty about the market and so on. I'm not sayin'I know anything (laughs) about the future. I just am conscious that there is some risk and some uncertainty associated with that, and I would think any....any good developer, as... as our developer here is,would be very conscious of those kinds of things and that would be in my view, if I were the developer, would be a good rationale for phasing the project in....over time. Yeah, which makes me think(laughs)you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 21 know,this is a good idea to have the, uh....the....the condition that you just articulated. Okay, I think we're okay with that condition, right? Taylor: Kinda along the lines with Rockne's,uh, tax revenue question,uh, there was some discussion about,uh, fee in lieu of, and particularly for like affordable housing. Would that also be true that it would perhaps be five or six years down the line before we would see that, if they opted for the fee in lieu of? Fruin: Well they have to have an executed a...housing, affordable housing agreement with us at the time the first building permit is pulled, and then it's a matter of occupancy, um, if....if they're gonna provide on-site, and I think the applicant at this point thinks that they will provide on site. So,you know, if they're building one-fourth of the project, they open one tower before they start the second one, the....the one tower would have the 10%requirement or 15 if they get a bonus height,uh, for affordable housing. So,that's more of an occupancy thing. Taylor: Okay. Fruin: than, um..... Salih: But if the...if they choose the fee in lieu, also we have to wait until the building completed and get the fee in lieu? Fruin: Fee in lieu we've done at the time of building permit, in the past. Yeah. Throgmorton: Okay,what's the next condition? Fruin: Um, we have a,uh, desire to reference the master plan image that's on page 61 of the Rivc.fiont Crossings master plan. Uh, this image, uh,really, um, is showing the desired footprint that was developed in the master plan. So basically the...the type of, the space and the layout of the building. Uh, it does not get into height, but again kind of, uh,horizontally how the structure would sit. Uh, so...the revised CZA language does,uh,require that,urn, any building would substantially conform to the master plan,uh,but it also gives the Council to deviate from that footprint in the future. So it gives a...it gives ya a little flexibility if the....if the, uh, applicant were to come back at the level 2 zoning process and say, you know, after all our design efforts,we really thought about this, we think this alternative footprint would be better. You have the flexibility to agree with that at the level 2 design, whereas otherwise you would have been locked into that master plan with no ability. So the Council still is the decision This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 22 maker there, and clearly the default provision is that master plan image, but you'll have the ability, if you're convinced, to modify that. Throgmorton: Any thoughts about that? Thomas: Sounds good! Mims: When I look at the master plan image, what I see is two U-shaped buildings. Is that what other people see? Throgmorton: Walkway between them, an east-west walkway (mumbled) so they're separated. Correct, Rob? Yeah. Mims: Right, but what I'm talking about is not the renderings that....that the developer has given us. I'm talking about....cause this is referring specifically to the (both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, I'm talkin' about the master plan itself Mims: I guess my question to Council, you know, and to staff even, is when you talk about....um, basically complying with that, are you saying that these need to be U-shaped buildings? Throgmorton: I think the language speaks for itself. Could you quote the language directly, Geoff, or I can,because I have it here too (both talking) Fruin: Go ahead. Throgmorton: Yeah, okay so....let me find it now. Mims: It says it must substantially conform to the building footprints shown in the Downtown and Riverfront Crossings master plan. What I am asking is from Council and staff perspective, do you....believe that substantially conforming means they have to be U-shaped buildings? Throgmorton: Yes, but read the next sentence. Mims: No, I understand...significant deviation can be....can be given by City...by the City at the level 2 (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 23 Throgmorton: Yes is my answer to that question. I mean that, you know, you asked a question, I've answered it for me. Mims: Okay! That...that's what I want to know because....I believe your original.... well, never mind! I...I guess I'm just trying to understand the detail, cause I.... when I look at that....what also concerns me is....is the idea of that east-west walkway and....the rest of that....the rest of that super-block is not going to develop the way the master plan laid out. You got a Kum n' Go that's there on the corner that's gonna stay there on the corner. You've got a 8- or 10-foot story building that has been built. So that very western edge of that super-block is not developing, and most likely never will because we've got a brand new building there, develop the way that image shows in the master plan. So....I guess I'm not sure that....I mean I'm gonna vote for this cause it's taken us three months to get here as it is, but....the idea of having to comply with an image that is part of an image that isn't even going to be the same seems.....counterintuitive to me I guess. I know that's not quite the right word but...you're asking something to conform to something that does no longer exist. Cole: And that may be reason to deviate. (both talking) Exactly! Throgmorton: Any other discussion about that condition? Thomas: It, you know, I think the intent was it establishes a direction,uh, that's consistent with the master plan and, uh, yet allows us the flexibility. So I think it's, uh, a very reasonable condition. Throgmorton: Moving on! Fruin: The second new condition deals with the two eastern most buildings and the space between those. Uh,the Mayor's proposed condition from, uh, earlier this year, uh, talked about a landscaped courtyard and walkway,uh,between those two eastern, uh,buildings, uh, connecting into the Voxman School of Music building. The revised language removes the reference to a walkway and talks about a, uh, maintains the language about a courtyard. Uh, it also...gives some flexibility to the....to the developer, um,to....work through some design issues on how that courtyard interacts with Voxman,because if you go to Voxman right now you know there's a, more or less an alley in the back there, and one of the applicant's concern is if you're intentionally funneling pedestrians over to the Voxman, you're dumping them out onto an alleyway that was not built to handle pedestrians. So they wanna explore that more in the design phase. Um, their This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 24 decision on whether to restrict access to the Voxman area,uh,rests with the City Council during your level 2 design review. Throgmorton: Any discussion about that item? Okay, next one. Fruin: Next one deals with the project architect and we wanted to clarify here, there was some,um, wanted to clarify that the City would not be selecting the architect team, uh, but rather the....the applicant's team,uh, we would simply be signing off that they, um, have experience with high-quality urban design and large scale student housing,uh, on both the interior and exterior components of those projects. So the big change is...is just, was done for clarity, and then also,uh,the previous language,uh,had the decision resting with me in consultation with you. There was a little uncertainty on what that means—if I'm consulting with you doesn't that just mean you're making the decision, uh, so we stripped the Council out of that and ultimately I would have the determination,uh(mumbled)the responsibility of making the determination that the architect team,uh,has the experience that you're seeking. Throgmorton: Yeah, uh, I wanna say a few words about why I originally introduced language kind of like this, as a proposed condition. I think probably everybody in the room knows this is a....a really large residential project,perhaps as many as 2,000 residents,with substantially-sized buildings, and in a very noticeable, uh, location, uh, approaching the downtown of Iowa City. Uh, in my view it's really crucial to make sure that the ensemble of buildings is really well designed so that it enhances the quality of that part of our city. I have, uh, utmost respect for Rob and others, uh, on the development team, but I'm not sure that they have the...the full body of experience that is called for here and that's why I suggested language about having an architect team that would include some urban design expertise. Also, uh, the....the expectation is that virtually all the residents would be students at the University of Iowa. The expectation is that the developer will ask for,uh, a height bonus in order to, uh....in.....in response to the fact that they will be providing housing in this location for University of Iowa students. Therefore I believe it is absolutely crucial that the quality of interior design be appropriate, be....be, uh, be of such a quality to ensure that the....the residents will be able to mature safely and thrive academically, to the degree that that can be shaped by physical design of the interior of the building. Therefore I thought it was important to have a, uh, an....um, some....a.....a.....(mumbled) Hold on! It was important to have...that, important to have....to ensure that the architect team included someone, or some firm,that had experience in designing large-scale student housing and/or residence halls,both in terms of the interior and the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 25 exterior. So....because of how important that site is and because of who will be living there. So that's....that was my idea. I hope I've been clear. Any further discussion about that condition? Okay, here's one more. Froin: The fourth one, uh,just cites an existing part of City code dealing with,uh, any requests for building height. The quote,uh, the code language is reiterated in the conditional zoning agreement. It reads, `Demonstrate excellence in building and site design,use high-quality building materials, and be designed in a manner that contributes to the quality and character of the neighborhood.' Uh, we spoke about this and its existing code language. I think there was a feeling that if it's existing code language it doesn't do any harm to put it in the conditional zoning agreement. So the applicant was fine with leaving that,uh,unchanged. Throgmorton: Okay, uh, any discussion about that....condition? Mims: I would just comment that...I think we wanna be careful about starting to put code language in conditional zoning agreements. I think doing that kind of redundancy just opens up the opportunity for errors, and if the code's there that they've got to follow the code no matter what. So it....I don't think it adds anything to the CZA. Throgmorton: Well, you know, before I've heard many people say that the master plan is only, merely aspirational. Mims: This is code. This isn't master plan. Throgmorton: I know. Well, that language....that comes....(several talking) Excuse me, my bad! Okay,um, I think the....if there's no further discussion about that, I think there's one other thing to clarify for the public's benefit and that is what we're doing tonight is voting on the proposed rezoning....which simply permits the developer to build structures,um, up to the height of possibly as much as eight stories based on the code language contained in the Riverfront Crossings, uh... um, form based code,right? Froin: Correct. Throgmorton: If the developer wants to build to higher....to,uh, if the developer wants to build higher buildings, the developer has to basically apply. We have a process set up for that,uh, and we will go through that process and that will take some time,but that....that is a proc...process that is ahead of us. It's not one we're voting on tonight. Right? We're clear about that? Okay, any further discussion? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 26 Taylor: General? Is that.... Throgmorton: Uh, about....yeah, about the proposed rezoning. Yeah. Taylor: I think initially we heard a lot of speculations and I'm....I'm just saying totally that there's speculations about the....the building this, and building it large, uh, will eventually lower rents and draw students out of the neighborhood homes and I think that's purely speculation. We can't say that for a fact. That would be wonderful it wou...if it could,urn,it has been mentioned in the developer's plans that it would be quality student living, which is....is great, cause I know in our correspondence today, uh, Item 8j,we saw some very startling photos of,uh, apartment conditions in some apartments downtown. Granted they're older apartments so the newer ones wouldn't be like that, but this is what some of the students are.....are having to live in,these kinds of conditions. So I would encourage them to be high quality, and I think the architect would....would be helpful with that. Urn, I would also encourage them,uh,we haven't talked about this much but, uh, and it wasn't much....there wasn't much information in here about them being energy efficient. We've talked about that a lot and....our sustainability plan, I think,uh, do what you can to....to assure that they're energy efficient. I think the underground parking that was mentioned is.....is a great start cause I'll be the first one to agree. Now there's....there's too much concrete there, the parking,uh, extra parking. There's a lot of that and I think permeable parking or the underground parking, uh, is....is good. Uh, I....I didn't feel that, uh,the Mayor's,uh, conditions were too,uh, out of....out of, uh, line to request. So I'm happy to see that, um,the developer has agreed to some of these conditions and,uh,that's, uh,that's a good thing. Um....the other thing,uh, is the height. Uh....I would also encourage the developers to keep in mind, uh, reasonable building scale,particularly in relationship,uh,with....between other buildings so that it doesn't totally visually dominate, uh, our cityscape and...and, uh, other buildings in the vicinity. Um....uh, I think somewhere it was written compatible with the character of the district, which I think,uh, would be good and on that note, no, I am not totally,uh, against tall buildings. I love tall buildings. I was in the, I think it's called Willis Towers now, it was the Sears Tower in....in Chicago and actually went out to the top floor, out in the little glass thing that overlooks the city (laughter) and....and it was quite an experience, an awesome experience. So I love tall buildings, uh,but I think there's....there's a place for them and, uh, should be reasonable, especially in Iowa City. That's all! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 27 Salih: Um...I just wanna talk about, I know that we are approving only the eight floor and we're only doing the rezoning, but we are doing also the affordable housing (mumbled) on this, and the only thing that is really....I know that this gonna be tied to 10%, if I'm right, affordable housing,but to me I still wanna talk about affordable housing in that area. It will be affordable for who? That the question, and that 10 years is not enough. Like in a matter of like....it would run really fast and we are not having any more affordable housing there. I know by the code we cannot ask the developer to give out fee in lieu or anything. We just have....he have to meet the requirement of the 10% affordable housing inside, or maybe he can choose to do the fee in lieu. Um, I like this (mumbled) project because, uh, the percentage of affordable housing will be great, but I'm gonna ask again,those apartment will be affordable to who, and I just want the developer to keep in mind the fee in lieu would be great and so we can build affordable housing somewhere else, where it can last forever, not only 10 years. Taylor: In addition to what Maz said I, uh, I wanted to point that out,that I...I wished that developers,uh,would spend,uh,just as much attention on providing more lower income housing in the area as they have done to, uh,providing the apartment complexes and multi-family complexes in the area, cause there's a big need for that and I'd like to see them do more of that. Mims: It's interesting you mention that, Pauline. I'll comment on this project but first I'm going to comment on that. I...I just had an email yesterday from a property owner downtown asking about tax levies, um,because on one piece of property downtown, uh, which is used for business, they are paying$60,000 a year in property taxes. So when you talk about asking developers to build more affordable housing downtown, I would suggest...that you....sit down and talk to them about what it costs and how you expect them to make any money doing it, because it's not possible. It is...it is absolutely not possible for a private developer to build affordable housing downtown because the land is so expensive. In order to get affordable housing downtown, you have to have public subsidies. That's the only way it's gonna happen. So... Salih: That's true. Mims: ....so I actually disagree with the two of you on the fee in lieu of because at least for part of it because I think that....I think we need to have it down there. I'm interested to hear staff's comments and recommendations;um, that money, if we even do get fee in lieu of,has to be used inside Riverfront Crossings. Um, so it can't be used anywhere else in the community. It has to stay in Riverfront This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 28 Crossings. So I think the potential to have some of it in these buildings,uh,may make sense,but....but again I'm interested to hear some input from staff as...as this project gets further along. Urn, in reference to the project itself,um, anybody who's been following this for the past few months knows that,urn, I've been in support of it. Urn, I've been in support of the rezoning since our first, uh, when we first opened the hub....public hearing back in May, I think May 15`11. Um, Jim talked about we have another process to go through, and....that second process is why I have been rather frustrated over the last three months,because we have spent a lot of time talking about, um, situations for a 15-story building when what we're voting on for tonight for the first reading is only for buildings that can be up to eight stories. There is certainly a lot of negotiation to be done,urn,between now and the approval,potential approval, of stories above,uh, the eight, that will be their right by rezoning. Urn, I....I think a three-month delay was unnecessary. Um, do I agree that we needed some more information than what we had at that very first meeting? Yes,urn,but there certainly was ample opportunity to get that through the process. Urn, a suggestion was made that...that this three-month delay hasn't delayed the contract or developer at all because they have these other steps to go through. I...I would also suggest that....that anybody that suggests that,hasn't done development, because they don't understand the sequential nature of the various processes that have to....have to occur. So I think,you know, I think a developer losing,uh,three months, or if you wanna say, oh,they, you know, you're gonna have some delays,maybe they lost two. That still starts becoming significant when you have deadlines in terms of when do you start to, uh, decide if you're gonna,to rent these apartments that currently exist for another year, which means you lose another season in terms of the start of the redevelopment. So I....very,very pleased to see that we finally are going to get a vote on this after three months, um, and I certainly hope that we will,um, condense the second and third readings as we basically agreed to at our last meeting. Cole: I would like to comment, and in doing so elaborate just a little bit in terms of my views on height, and I've sort of held off on that because we hadn't really come to this conclusion of this first formal reading. Um, I think too often the question of height is sort of framed in terms of a false dichotomy. You're either for height or you're against it. I certainly feel there are some people who always seem to support tall buildings,there are certain people that just don't like 'em period,but to me that's the wrong question. I think we need to really apply a more,um, contextual analysis when we're thinking about height, and I think to me we have to look at where the tall buildings are located. Um, I have concerns if we were to put a project of this magnitude in our downtown! I would have concerns if we This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 29 were looking at that level of magnitude, to the extent that we had control over it, and we have that policy choice. The other issue with height of course is they are extremely expensive buildings to build, and so by defmition, that does involve questions of potential public subsidies, and while we don't know all of the information at this point, it's my understanding that this is not gonna require any public subsidy, which I think is extraordinarily important that we have this sort of private development. We're gonna get this economic browth....growth, and the taxpayer's not gonna be on the hook for one penny and I think....I think we need to celebrate that and we cannot take that for granted. Urn, the third thing is is why are we doing the height? And in this particular case, in order to get to the second stage, we have a transfer of development right, uh, potential, urn, one from...(mumbled) Tate Arms and for the community members that didn't hear about this, this is a controversy that never happened, and it never happened because the Clark family and the developers saved one of our cherished historic, uh, structures, which was one of the first African America rooming houses that did not discriminate against people of color. Um, and it was a....it's a cherished historic landmark, and that was preserved! A lot of people don't know about that, and I think if we're going to utilize transfer of development rights, we need to have simple, clear,predictable rules so that when we have the next historic pr...uh, structure, the developer will know with confidence that this is gonna be a straightforward process in terms of moving forward, and so for me, standing alone, um,preserving to the extent this has any part in preserving that structure, urn, I know that that decision's already been done, but they did that in part on reliance, in addition to doing the right thing, to be able to get that transfer of development rights, and I think that's extremely important. And finally, although we don't really know what the ultimate price tag on this structure is, it's gonna be potentially tens of millions of dollars, potential up to $150 million. We could be looking at$4 million of tax base that's gonna be generated and as I understand it, approximately$1.6 million, urn, potentially in the future. In just looking at the possibility of that, even though that we are at the second stage,but I do think we need to clearly signal where we'd like to see the project go. I am going to be supportive of 15. I've liked how the developers have handled this process. We do have a lot of budgetary needs going in the future and we can't afford to just sort of turn away this sort of development or impede it to the level that we could scare off that sort of investment. Now would I support this in every part of our community? Not necessarily, to the extent we have control over it. But we do over this one, and so we have a bunch of priorities, like $15 an hour for our City Employees. Well if we wanna do those, we have to be able to pay for 'em and do the long-term planning to make that happen. So that's why I think 15 for 15. We need to really think about making sure that we have the growth to make those This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 30 priorities that we feel strongly about happen. So I'm gonna be supportive of this. Um, I like how the developer has engaged in this dialogue with us. I think instead of retreating away, we engage in that discussion. I think too often in this community we don't do enough of that, so I really liked how...and I think, you know, Jim has had some very thoughtful comments as well, so I really appreciate how our Mayor has constructively engaged this as well,but I am gonna be supportive of it, um, and enthusiastically cause I think this is gonna be a good project, and finally, one final point in terms of the....the student housing piece of it. Urn, it's my understanding, and I wasn't on Council at the time that they did the Riverfront master Crossings plan. The....the consultants there did the assessment and that they were gonna....that they thought it did make sense to put the, either to have students in this area in part because of the proximity to...to the University of Iowa, and....I.....they were of the view, is my opinion,that it would take pressure off of the neighborhoods, and I....and I think to me that makes sense. I think there was a professional opinion as to that effect. Urn, so I think if you are gonna do student housing, it really makes it sou....uh, sense to put it in this close proximity to the University, and to the extent that there's a misjudgment of aggregate demand, the worst that could happen is that finally we have an over- supply and we finally do get the downward pressure on prices that we'd all like to see. So, that's where I am on this project, and I just wanna, um, send a....signal my strong support for it. Thomas: I'm just gonna lim....limit my comments to, um, the....the conditions. I'm pleased and thankful. Geoff, thanks for working with,uh, with the developer. Uh, Rob, thank you for your patience and, uh, willingness to work through that agreement. Uh, I think it's a great first step. I think we're....we're seeing the project, the vision for it, begin to take shape. Obviously there's going to be far more work to be done in terms of defining what that....that vision is in a more, um, articulate way,but I think this....this sets the foundation and I'm looking forward to seeing the pro....project move forward. Throgmorton: Uh, I'm gonna vote for this as well, uh, but I wanna say a couple other words pertaining to it. Uh, first of all I wanna say with some....pleasure and humor that it fairly....it's probably pretty obvious that Susan and I disagree about certain elements associated with this development. That's fine. Uh, I'm pleased to be able to disagree in a pleasant kind of way. Uh, but I do especially disagree, uh, with what Susan said about all this time spent deferring. Three months have passed. Really held up the project and all that. I'm not aware of any evidence whatsoever that there's a physical project ready to go and it's waiting for us and therefore costing the developer money to get on with the project. So....the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 31 question is for me, what have we gotten in return for three months of deferral? We've gotten a good, clear understanding of what the developer has in mind, and when I say 'we' I don't mean just the seven of us and our staff,but I mean the people of this city, and we have as a result now gradually started getting opposition, and I'll bet ya we get more after we make this first vote. And, surprisingly, one of the opponents is an owner of an apartment complex and we received some correspondence from this particular owner, and the owner basically says, hey....this is really, um.....these kinds of projects are, um....re....really very risky. And we also received,uh, a copy of an article that appeared in,uh, what was the magazine? Uh, Boom...Bloomberg News, saying that there are instances that these kinds of projects....uh, finding that they're not able to rent all their units, and finding that...the projects decay over time, and so on. (mumbled)read the article, you'll know what I mean. I don't wanna say too much about it,but the main thing I'm tryin' to say here is that....if we had voted the first night,the people of this city would have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what could be built there, and therefore they would be very upset when they saw the buildings go up (laughs)without, uh, any opportunity to say anything that they wanted to say about it. We now know what the buildings are likely to look li....look like in general. That's a very big step. I really appreciate the on....the developer and developer team, uh,working on the....the few proposed conditions, uh, negotiating the details about that. It enables us to move forward,take the next step, which is to discuss the height bonuses. So I...I will vote in favor of it. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? Mims: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 32 Item 10. Planning and Zoning Matters 10.b.Rezoning East of S. Gilbert&West of Sandusky Drive--Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 18.03 acres of property located east of South Gilbert Street and west of Sandusky Drive,from Interim Development Multifamily Residential (ID-RM)zone to Planned Development Overlay/Low Density Single Family Residential(OPD/RS-5)zone and Planned Development Overlay/Low Density Multifamily Residential(OPD/RM-12) zone. (REZ18-00005). 1. Public Hearing [Continued from 8/7] Throgmorton: Wow! Poetry in action! (laughs) Good evening, Danielle! Sitzman: Good evening, Mayor and Council! Danielle Sitzman,Neighborhood Services. Urn, the subject property of this rezoning is,uh, generally located south of Highway 6,bounded by South Gilbert Street to the west and Sandusky Drive and Pepperwood Neighborhood to the east. Um, you can also see in this aerial that neighbor....that Napol....Napoleon Park is also nearby....to the west. And the property was annexed into the City in the mid....early 1960s and has been zoned Interim Development Multi-Family since 1983, while awaiting availability of City water and sanitary services. At this time the applicant, Bedrock LLC,proposes to extend the necessary utilities to this site or pay the applicable fees, and is requesting a rezoning to allow for....for development. The future land use map of the Comprehensive Plan and the South District Plan both identify this area as appropriate for residential densities of two to eight dwelling units per acre. Um, the South District Plan indicates the property along the east side of Gilbert Street in this location may be appropriate for townhome or other small lot or duplex development. In addition, additional density is encouraged for projects that enhance housing diversity in the district, contribute to the connectivity of neighborhoods, or enhanced visibility and street access to public parks. Um, as I mentioned,Napoleon,uh, Park and the trail system are very nearby to this property. The extension of Cherry Creek Avenue will provide an important east- west connection, allowing neighbors more direct access to Gilbert Street and those public facilities. In addition the South District Neighborhood Plan also identifies this area as appropriate for planned overlay clustered development, due to the wooded slopes that are present on the site, and the site is bounded by that dark,uh,rectangle on the upper left of the plan there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 33 Throgmorton: Danielle,may I....interrupt just briefly? Eleanor, I realize I did not formally open the public hearing. Should I do that right now or....or after Danielle, uh, finishes? Do it now? So, pardon me, it's a blunder on my part, okay? I'm gonna open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) And Danielle was just speaking and can continue now. Thank you. Sitzman: (mumbled) Urn, the first residential development would consist of approximately six acres of planned low-density, single-family residential. That would be located on the southeast portions of the site, abutting existing single-family neighborhoods, along a new loop street,uh, to be named Toby Circle. You can see it here. Uh, the remainder of the site, approximately 12 acres,would be for low density,multi-family residential that's located along the west and north sides of the site, abutting Gilbert Street and the stream corridor along the northern,uh, edge of the subject property. This would be for 21 townhouse style,multi-family dwelling units, ranging from three to five units per structure, and two 36-unit apartment buildings with lower level parking. And again, Cherry Avenue would extend from east-west across the site to, uh,provide a connection. Um, access to the apartments and the townhomes would both be from driveways and a private alley off of Cherry Avenue. Um....so it was requested, uh, as....part of this application is a planned district overlay. Um, the density of the RS-5 portion of the proposed development is comparaple....comparable to typical RS-5 subdivisions and is similar to the density of Pepperwood Subdivision to the east. The purpose of the RM-12 zone is to propri...to provide for development of high density, single-family housing and low density,multi-family housing. Um, to provide a variety of housing options in neighborhoods throughout the city. Um, that zone does call for careful attention to be given to building design,um, to ensure various housing types in any one location are compatible with one another. The proposed townhomes units would provide a transition between the single- family neighborhood to the east and the two proposed apartment buildings to the west. So by clustering development across those areas,um,we're able to preserve,uh,natural areas and to keep the overall density of the site within the, um,recommended density of the Comple...Comprehensive Plan. I believe it's calculated at just over seven units per acre total. So other than averaging the density calculation across the subject property, and a slight reduction in the width of the collector street,um, all base zoning district and subdivisions such as setbacks,building heights, and design standards will continue to be met. In addition to the clustering of density on the site, a level two sensitive areas review is required due to the proposed disturbance of previously altered protected slopes. Construction of storm water management facilities within those sloped areas and removal and replant....replanting of significant portions of woodlands in the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 34 proposed development areas. There is a ravine system along that north, uh, stream corridor that's to be restored to, urn, function as a natural storm water collection,um, facility. Also to kind of improve the erosion,uh,that's going on in that corridor. Uh,much of this site has been determined to have been previously altered by nearby road construction activity over the years. So compliance with the sensitive areas provisions of the zoning code is met through the submitted sensitive areas plan and the preliminary plat to follow, as well as a special (coughing, unable to hear speaker) to survey for potential archaeological materials. Um, we can talk a little bit more about the sensitive areas if needed. But they have addressed all of the elements of our sensitive areas,um, ordinance in their proposed plat. In discussions with staff and the Planning Commission, and a response to comments from the public, the applicant did make several design changes. Urn, shown on this slide are kind of a earlier submittal and the one that's before you tonight,the proposed submittal. Um, this, uh, changes included a reduction in the overall density and layout,um, essentially they converted 10 townhome lots, um, into,uh,two single-family and two duplex lots, and you can see that highlighted difference here in the center of Toby Circle. So they went from the townhome to four lots for,um,more of a single-family development,thus reducing the density. They did revise the landscape plan to, uh,include additional trees along the south property line, and actually are adding street trees throughout the development in the right-of-way. Um,there's also been changes to the location of amenities and usable,private open space for the apartments. At this scale it's a little bit hard to see,but in the original plan you can kind of see some of the pavement here that was switched to more of a green open space to allow for,urn,more of those,urn, on-site amenities for the residents of the apartments and including kind of an area here on the north lot. Urn, they also did obtain an archaeological survey and make a commitment to further monitoring of the site during future excavation. Uh,just a note, the Planning Commission also discussed sidewalks, traffic calming, and directed staff to examine safe and appropriate locations for a possible pedestrian crossing of Gilbert Street,with the eventual review of the final plat. And the applicant did also conduct a 'good neighbor' meeting in November of 2017. Um, as this is an overlay,uh, planned district,they did include,uh, elevations of the proposed buildings. This includes the townhome elevations, um, townhome buildings include several design options with a variety of building materials to permit a monotonous streetscape. Um,the townhomes again will front onto the public street and have vehicle access,uh, and parking behind. Um, it did also include elevations of the two multi-family buildings. The two buildings have been designed to generally comply with the multi-family design standards, including facade articulation and a varie...variation in roof lines. Um,the materials they've This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 35 selected, including stone veneer, wood siding, are intended to complement the natural environment. Um, the applicant can talk a little bit more about the exact situation of those two,uh,buildings in their presentation,but essentially those buildings are kind of,uh, intended to be located part way up the slope,uh, that occurs from Gilbert Street to the east, so that the total height of those two buildings is comparable to other,uh, single-family homes located at the top of the hill and on the site. And there's also a significant amount of plantings and tr... and existing trees kind of buffering,urn, the views of those buildings to the west. So I've included in my presentation a couple of the,uh, elevations. I'm going to go through them quickly,just because the applicant,uh, has also chosen to, urn, include those in their presentation to you tonight. So they'll talk a little bit more about that,but they,uh,have included (coughing,unable to hear speaker) of the site and,uh, and the relative heights of the various structures that would be planned there. So in conclusion....the,uh,Planning Commission(mumbled)July 5th meeting,uh, did vote to recommend, uh....approval of the application,uh, subject to three staff proposed conditions. A signed CZA has been received with those conditions included. Those conditions include, one, that the City Forester review and approve a tree replacement and protection plan prior to the final plat; two,that....at, also at the time of fmal plat(clears throat) approval of a development agreement specifying, uh, the direction of roof drains and gutters for the single-family lots 5 through 16 be directed towards Toby Circle rather than to the south; and third,that the applicant contract with an archaeolo....archaeologist approved by the State to complete a study or exc....excavation plan prior to any additional grading on the property. Ur....as I said the CZA has been signed. We have received several protest petitions,um, and as of 5:00 this afternoon we did not receive enough to actually cross the threshold into changing the vote on this. So unless there's been further...or unless there are further protest petitions received this evening,we're not at that point yet. That concludes my staff report and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Throgmorton: You sort of invited us to ask about the sensitive areas,uh,portion. Would you describe that for us please? Sitzman: Sure! Um, it's... I'm not an expert yet, but I will say that there are several areas of the site that are specifically,um, regulated in our zoning code. Those have to do with,um, slope of land,urn, and also amount of wooded areas, and archaeological, um....materials or possibly human remains. Urn,they have submitted a....a, or will be submitting a plat,perhaps (mumbled)you'll see it later as this application proceeds,but basically they're required to lay out where those areas are, to explain how they're development impacts those areas. Generally This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 36 those areas are, uh, protected from encroachment by development, unless they are already disturbed areas. So on this site there is a history of and has been kind of verified by our Engineering Division that much of those slopes are, uh, have already been impacted by previous human development, recent historical human development. So road grading, uh, stockpiling of materials on the site, things like that. Kind of unique to this development is the intention to use the, uh, ravine and stream corridor as a method to, uh, control storm water. There's quite a bit of erosion happening in that stream corridor and the applicant has designed a facility, um, where they would go in and actually regrade some of that area to create ponding areas and, um, kind of a more natural flow to slow down water and help, uh,reduce the erosion that's occurring on the site, due to, uh, up....upland flows that have not been previously well controlled. And third,urn, as I said, archaeological, uh, cultural materials may be present. This area of town is known for previous discoveries and so, um, they've been directed to and have been in contact with the State Archaeologist Office to prepare the proper monitoring of the site so that as maybe some of those, um, additional areas are excavated, where road grading fill may(mumbled) covering up the natural slopes that they can,uh, continue to monitor that. Throgmorton: Thank you! Any other questions for Danielle? Thomas: Danielle, are there open space requirements? Sitzman: There are several kinds of open space requirements. One I mentioned already was the private open space that they would need to have as an amenity for some of the buildings. There's also an open space requirement for parkland and so they will probably be addressing that with fee in lieu. Um, there are areas of the site that will be conserved. Um, they'll have conservation easements over them to protect them from future development because they're the sensitive areas, but they're not really appropriate for parkland enjoyment. They're steep wooded areas and so our Parks Department will more than likely prefer to see some other way of ensuring that the open space contribution is made. Thomas: So....so there isn't any minimum, usable open space requirement....based on, you know, the proposed development? Sitzman: Uh, I don't believe there is, like there is in the Riverfront Crossings, where there is an exact(both talking) Thomas: Uh huh. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 37 Sitzman: ...for private open space. Thomas: And in....in the parking areas, is that parking....uh.....meeting the parking demand for the....the dwelling themselves or(both talking) Sitzman: So there....(both talking) Thomas: ....visitor parking? Sitzman: Yeah, there would be under the building parking. So what you're seeing on the surface is, uh, I don't have the counts in front of me for exactly...that's not part of the rezoning application, but they would meet their parking on their site. Thomas: Right but that...so the parking isn't....necessarily visitor parking. It may in fact be meeting the (both talking) Sitzman: It might (both talking) level of detail yet. Throgmorton: So a substantial amount of the east side of Gilbert Street is wooded....for where this site is, right? Uh, I can't tell from lookin' at the maps. Sorry, I wasn't trained well enough to do that. Uh, I can't tell whether any of that woodland is gonna remain or not. So can you help me out? Sitzman: Sure! Um I may have cut that slide out of the,uh....presentation tonight, but it's definitely in the packet that were distributed to you. There is a landscape plan that will show the areas of woodland that are not going to be, uh, impacted by development, and then the areas of tree planting that will be added to that. Um, basically with the sensitive areas, uh, sensitive area woodland, they're required to replant a certain proportion of trees that are removed. So....they will be replanting in some of the areas along Gilbert Street and then, uh, along the southern buffer of the property as well, as, uh, in addition to the street trees along right-of-way, along the streets. Throgmorton: Okay. Thanks! Uh, this is only first consideration so when we come back two weeks from now could you bring a map that shows where the, uh....trees will remain or be replanted? Thank you. Sitzman: Certainly! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 38 Throgmorton: Any further questions for Danielle? Fruin: Mayor, if I could just add...... Throgmorton: Sure. Fruin: ......real quickly to the....to the report, urn, you have in your packet. Uh, hopefully you're starting to see us, urn, react to some of the guidance you've given us before. In this particular case, uh,we have reduced the standard collector street three feet in width, from 31 to 28. We've included two small traffic circles in there to try to get ahead of the traffic calming issue, in addition to the street trees that, um....Danielle mentioned. Throgmorton: Good to hear! Thanks. Uh, would anybody else like to address us? Is that a Hawkeye on your shirt? Carrillo: Sure is! (laughter and several talking) Uh, hello everyone, um, on the City Council and everyone here tonight. Urn, my name's Alex Carrillo and I'm Project Coordinator for Bedrock. Um.....to get started I wanted to thank the Iowa City staff and the P&Z Committee....Commission for all the guidance and advice they've provided. I'd also like to thank the neighbors who were at our 'good neighbor' meeting and the neighbors we've met with since then. Um, and the ones who came to P&Z to provide their comments and concerns. Um, those conversations and feedback have been helpful in shaping the vision of our development. We've tried to be responsive, as you can see. Um,that said I'd like to,um,walk you through a little bit of what we did. Danielle already covered a lot of what I was hoping to do. So, thank you, Danielle. But....to start off, um, yeah, I was gonna highlight lot 17, the change we made there to, uh, better show the....better reflect a....a zoning pattern that transitions rather than, urn, going from townhomes straight to single home. We wanted to do townhomes to duplex to single-family, ultimately to all of our single-family lots on the south side. Uh, the other thing I wanted to draw your attention to from the initial plan to, uh, what we're excited to show you tonight, and John, this might touch something you were asking about is the....the space surrounding our condominium buildings. So, urn, one of the comments was open space and we tried to do a....tried to be as efficient as possible with our grading plan, um, to....to create as much of the space as we....as we have, to be as efficient as possible. So we noticed that this is...this was a steady slope up, so we decided to accelerate that a bit, so that we could level off and plateau right here to create an open area with a play structure, pergola,picnic area, and we also realized that we had a lot of opportunity right This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 39 here(mumbled) Urn, so we decided to adjust our grading plan to reduce the slope, uh, or reduce the grade on the back end of these lots, effectively making them more suitable for walkouts. Um, and that allowed us to move over our retaining wall here in the black line you see. So our retaining wall was reduced in size and it also created a lot more open space for these buildings to utilize. So a couple picnic tables, a pergola,play structure, more open space in general. And we also realized that that retaining wall down here was gonna be our highest point of retaining wall so we decided to make that a two-tiered wall with plantings in the middle on both tiers to be more aesthetically pleasing and be a safer, uh, safer on the site. So, um, one of the other general perceptions of our, uh, of our initial, um, well of our....of our proposal was that these buildings were going to be towering over everything. Um, when in reality there's a slope that's coming up as you're going up Cherry Avenue here and we wanted to utilize that by building our buildings into the slope. So as you'll see in some of these images....um, that...that's what we were hoping to accomplish by these 3-D renderings. So we brought these to our P&Z meeting like maybe a month and a half after the initial one to help give some perspective. So here is a perspective from Gilbert Street, looking up on the north building. And, uh, obviously this is gonna be where you see it the most! See most of the building. Here's the south building. As you can see here are garage underneath, built into the side of this....of this slope as it's going up. Here's a look from the, urn, parking area of the north building looking south. And this....this.....this spot really highlights all that open space we were able to create. So we have a pergola, play structure back there, a wall here, and... if you were to go to this point here on our retaining wall, we effectively have this built 20-feet into the side of this hill. So this would be looking south at the bordering property. Then this is the same perspective looking at our north building, where we created more open space on the....on the Gilbert Street side, and then these are where we really wanted to give some perspective for.... neighboring, existing neighboring neighbors who....who were concerned about the...the view and character of this. So in reality, this would be looking up on Cherry Avenue where we're proposing....kind of in the middle of our site, you're looking down, it's not any higher than what a single-family home would be. Same thing here. This is on our little circle drive, on the south side. You can hardly see this view here,just cause of the, due to the topography of the land. And then we also....this was, these were not actually at our P&Z meeting, but we wanted to provide them for you here tonight and for, uh, some neighbors who were concerned. Urn, we tried to....do our best to give some perspective, um, from that bordering...this would be the south side of our....our development. Try to give some perspective, so here's the first one looking towards that building. So you can see if anything you would see some single-family homes in the front side. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 40 And obviously some more would....some more would show as you're going towards Gilbert Street. And then here would be from view point two, which is kind of the side yard of this house here. So if anything there's some single-family homes. So....so I...to kinda pull it all together we felt like this would be a great proposal for the Iowa City community. We feel....we feel like we're gonna use high-quality materials and it's gonna offer a mixed-use development for a neighborhood that I think would benefit from that. Um, we felt like it use... utilized an effective zoning pattern to transition from single-family residence to Gilbert Street and park access. We felt like there would be a economic benefit to the surrounding neighborhood by bringing single-family homes at potentially $300,000 level. Uh, townhomes valued at potentially 200 to 250. Condominiums valued at 150 to 175. Uh, we felt like additionally this would enhance the public access to surrounding parks, as well as improve the response times for police and fire departments. So we're excited about this. Um, we're....we've tried to be responsive and I look forward to any discussion and, uh, questions that you have. So....anything you got for me? Throgmorton: Any questions for Alex? Carrillo: Thanks! Throgmorton: Thanks. Good evening! Klein: Good evening, my name's Joel Klein. I'm the property owner of 2460 S. Gilbert Street, which is the, uh, property directly to the south of this, uh, proposed development. I appreciate the opp....uh, opportunity to address you tonight and, urn, I've spoken with Alex and Andy already about some of my concerns, but I wanted to share them with you, as I did with the previous,uh, Planning/Zoning meetings. My property is, uh, the McC....McCollister Showers Farmhouse. It's a, uh, National Historic Registry house. We bought it about seven years ago. We've restored it. We have been, uh, good stewards of the property. We've, uh, paid attention to all of the requirements that the, uh, exterior and the appearance of this house should be in keeping with the historical nature and, uh, to...to, uh, that effect when we needed to create a garage, we worked with the City historical architect and we have a barn-style garage. This was not the cheapest or necessarily the most efficient use of our space, but it was entirely in keeping with the, uh, requirements for maintaining the historical nature of the property. As,uh, Councilor Taylor mentioned before, she discussed an earlier project that it was compatible with the character of the neighborhood. Uh, I would say that it's difficult to understand how, uh, three-story, 36-unit condominium or apartment This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 41 building is in ke....keeping with the character of the current neighborhood, and moreover, I don't understand why on this 18-acre property this unit needs to be placed 23 feet from our property line, which,urn, of course is like not even the width of our....of our double-lane driveway. I think that there is, urn, I'm not opposed to the development of this property and I fully expected the.... development to occur,but I was taken aback by the extent of the proposed, uh, development and, urn, unfortunately we were not invited to the 'good neighbor' meeting so the first time that I actually got an opportunity to see the scope of the proposed property was,urn, immediately prior to the first Zoning Commission meeting. One, uh, aspect that, uh, Danielle talked about was the sensitive areas plan and this was discussed in great, uh, detail at the very first Zoning Commission meeting. Um, subsequent...the next meeting was I think six weeks later and....and the, uh....uh, membership of the Zoning Commission had changed and....and.....and this was no longer paid attention to, but it's important to point out that at the outset of the,uh, upon obtaining this property,um, the developer harvested,uh, a number of truckloads of mature walnut trees and those trees would have provided a natural buffer. So when we're talking about a tree replacement plan at this point, um, these are obviously going to be not mature trees and....and the....the placement cannot in fact provide a buffer to the historical property to the south. Indeed for the, uh, largest building, 23 feet does not allow much room for any sort of vegetation. It...we've....we've had a very congenial meeting this past weekend with the developers and we talked about planting trees on my property, which is certainly something that....that is in consideration, but not necessarily, urn, in keeping with, uh, the intent of the sensitive area plan. So, urn, the....the last, uh, item that I wanted to talk about was it was brought up that this would be a....a very good place for development because it would provide access to,uh, recreational opportunities, including the softball fields, Terry Trueblood Park, both of which are wonderful and we like watching softball from our front porch. Urn,both of those are on the other side of Gilbert Street. Gilbert Street is extremely busy. Urn, I've been, uh, un....unhappy to have my mailbox on the other side of the street because, uh, it's....it's oftentimes difficult to safely get my mail. If we have, um, 36, uh, unit, uh....uh, construction with families in there and there's small children who want to uta....utilize the, uh, those, urn, recreation areas, it's difficult to imagine how that could be, uh....uh, safely attained. There is no sidewalk on....on the....on the, uh....um, east side of the street, which is....what's going on. So, um, like I said, I'm, uh, respectful for the interest in development, respectful for the interest in bringing affordable housing to the neighborhood. Urn, I'm not positive that the size of the, uh, apartment building particularly right on the edge of a historic property is necessarily the best way to do it, um, and I'm not certain why with 18 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 42 acres that location had to be necessarily the way it was. I appreciate your attention. Thank you very much. Throgmorton: Thanks so much, Joel. I....I've admired your building, uh, for years, but from afar of course. Yeah. (unable to hear response from audience) (laughter) Would anybody else like to address this topic? Hi! Patrick-Ferree: Hello! My name is Kelcey Patrick-Ferree. I live on Sandusky Drive, and I'm here to oppose this rezoning project. Um, for starters, we, uh, in our neighborhood, really feel the developer has not been responsive to our concerns at all. Urn, the reasons that we oppose this redevelopment is this is not the right place for this development,particularly these two 36-unit apartment buildings. They....there're unaddressed safety issues with this proposal and the process has not been inclusive of the community, and frankly appears kinda shady. Urn, this is not the right place for these apartment buildings. Uh, it doesn't fit the current neighborhood. I've heard you talk about your concerns about fitting in with the current neighborhood over and over again tonight. Urn, we currently have a very neighborly area. Urn, there was one year that we were told....that we were the only ones in the entire city who had a registered Night Out block party, and so it's really important to us to have that every year. Our neighbors who arrange that, the Beardsleys, are here tonight. Urn, the two apartment buildings alone would hold 180 occupants. They would outnumber current residents, and that's, urn, including the ones from the single-family housing. Urn, and we expect it to make it more difficult to maintain the cohesiveness of our neighborhood. Urn, Iowa City is economically segregated already and does not need more high-density housing in this part of town. Um, this development would be in the Twain district. It could easily be rezoned into the Alexander district. Both of these schools are already at...over 70% of FRL. This has been a concern of the School Board for many years and, uh, putting this in this area is not gonna help this problem. You know that we have a new proposal on the table right now to send children to one school for grades K to 2 and then another school for grades 3 to 6. I don't think that's gonna be very popular and continuing to put high-density housing in this part of town is going to continue to give us those problems with the School District. Urn, there are also no appreciable benefits to our neighborhood of a through street. You know we keep hearing about how this is going to be so great for the people on Sandusky Drive to be able to go straight through on Cherry. There's not a whole lot of reason for us to go through to Gilbert Street,to be perfectly frank, and even if we're going through to Gilbert Street,um, these traffic circles and other mitigation measures are gonna make it take about as long as the route that we currently have. Um, we're also looking at, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 43 uh, increased traffic in our area and northbound traffic on Gilbert is going to increase a lot. We already have issues with speeding on Gilbert Street. We're talking about making changes to Gilbert Street for that reason. Urn, there are, continuing on that theme, there are unaddressed safety issues here. Urn,the... the, this idea about a Gilbert Street crossing is completely unclear to me. It's not, you know, is this gonna be for cars? Is this gonna be for people? If we're talking about trying to get kids across the street to the park, there's gonna have to be some pretty major changes to that area, and on Sandusky Drive we already have issues with speeding. Someone actually hit one of my neighbor's houses, like drove right into it. Um, and....so when I....I've looked back through all the minutes in the Planning and Zoning Commission because my husband went to those meetings, and I'm here today because we have kids—we have to tag-team on these things. Urn, every time someone brought up an issue on one side of the development, then someone would point out the other side of development as being the solution to that problem. So I'd really like to know which side of it do you think people are going to be driving on here? Um....the process has not been good. There were multiple people that who were not invited to this 'good neighbor' meeting, including us. Um, then, uh, some of our neighbors who did attend,uh,told us later that this was presented to them as being a done deal. There's nothing you can do about this. We're putting these buildings in and you better like it. Urn, and then the developer.....declined the suggestion of the Chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission to hold another community meeting about this. Um, that was at the first meeting. Urn....the developer has violated the process. I don't know if it was clear to you from what you've seen today but there were a lot of trees that were pulled out of that area before he....as far as I can tell, even applied to rezone there. Urn, those walnut trees, that were mentioned, um, I think that must have been a pretty good profit because there were part of the people who were pulling the trees out,to one of my neighbors, was that he sold those to Italy. Urn, so I can't see any consequences of his violation of the process here. Uh, overall he seems to be untrustworthy to us. Um, his story about removing the trees doesn't add up. He claimed he's new to this. He doesn't really know what's going on. And yet he was able to sell it to Italy for this big profit. Um....and after being told at the first Planning and Zoning meeting to scale down these apartment buildings,he just deferred the next meeting until the two people who objected the most to the 36-unit apartment buildings were no longer on the Planning and Zoning Commission, and then he got it right through. So because this is not the right place for this development, there are outstanding safety issues, and the process was really not good, I urge you to vote against this rezoning application. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 44 Throgmorton: Thank you, Kel....Kelcey. Uh, I'm sorry, I'm trying to pronounce your name correctly and I didn't. Just....1 wanted to say thank you, Kelcey. Patrick-Ferree: Thank you. Good evening. Cochran: Good evening. My name's, uh, Don Cochran and my wife Laurie is here, as well. Uh, we live at 2530 S. Gilbert Street, which is, uh, the property,um, connected to, uh, Joel's property. Uh, I bought the McCollister property approximately 15 years ago. Uh, at that time, uh, there was a buyer that was interested in the home and, uh, there used to be an old barn on the property, and uh, it was in terrible, uh, disrepair and I really wanted the land and the barn that wrapped around it, and so, uh, we bought the property and....I bought the property and subdivided it into two lots, and uh, we took the six acres approximately that wraps around. Uh, over the years, did a lot of landscaping, uh,did a lot of,uh, you know, repurposing. We tore the, uh, the barn down. I salvaged timbers, the stone, a variety of the, uh, you know,pieces of the barn. We incorporated in a home that we built there. It is too on a National Historic registered area, even though it really is only a pasture of...of what that barn was, but I'm very clear on the planning process, uh, you know, I had to measure every tree on the property, etc. Uh, I understand that the 18 acres that we're talking about to the north, uh, isn't on the historical register but at the same time, uh, it just seems like kinda the rules that applied there.... don't apply in this case. Uh, regardless of that, you know, uh, I do know the frustration that goes with being a property owner and wanting to do something and trying to please everyone. So I certainly want to support,uh, Andy and...and his team in this project. My concerns, you know, are probably going to be fairly similar to what you've already heard. Uh, I was born in Missouri so I'm kind of a show me state and so could I pass this around? There's an aerial picture that I'd like for all to see(unable to hear, away from mic) depends on what rime of year you're takin' a picture of it(laughs) Uh, as you can see as that passes around, you'll see that one is the cover, uh, of the property, and you'll see what the property looks like now, uh, without those trees in it. Uh, honestly I can tell you never in my wildest dreams that I think that whatever was developed to the north of us would include clearing out really the property and kind of getting a....a do- over, if you will. As you can see, uh, in a lot of the pictures we've done, or this one up here,there's a lot of critical area there. Normally, as we've said, can't build in those areas and so my thought process all along was it would get developed. Uh, it would probably be residential, which is what is there. Uh, when I rezoned my property and Joel's, uh, we rezoned in RS-5. It can be developed. There could be more lots put in there, but we didn't want a large building in there. We didn't think that would, you know, go with the nature, uh, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 45 of the historical building. And I recognize that you have to go through a historical process as well. Uh, so my first major concern, uh, you know, really is the...that there is no transition, uh, if you will, from the south side, uh, our north side—his north side. As you can see that kind of highlight of a tree, uh, the majority of those trees are ours. Uh, you know, as Joel's indicated, uh, the corner of this, uh, first building is 23 feet from the property line. Uh, you know, one of our concerns that hasn't been totally addressed yet, and I was surprised the zoning group, uh, approved it, uh, based on our voicing of our concern was what does the south elevation look like? So if I'm at that fence looking at the south elevation of this building, what does that look like? Is it four stories high? Is it three stories high? Can I get one tree in there? Can I get two trees in there? Obviously this 23 feet, and for those of you who don't, can't visualize that, most, uh, double car garage driveways are about 25-feet wide. So that's how close the buildings shoot up from, uh, the fence line,uh, and so I feel, we feel, that their building should be pushed somewhat....a little bit further away from the property line or some level of transition than just a tree, uh, between that, uh, you know, and the end of the building. Uh, as you'll note, uh, there's no one here from the north side, so there's two property owners to the south and one property owner to the north. The property owner to the north clearly has this large buffer, uh, and I....I understand it's critical slope, but so was that, and they're also getting the benefit of the creek that I think they partially own as well, uh, with the improvements that are being made. Uh, candidly if I had that large of a buffer I wouldn't be here tonight, uh, probably voicing my concern. But you can see, or you can't really see in this property. This property does continue up Gilbert Street towards the railroad tracks,if you're not familiar with it, and I'm just surprised that the City didn't consider, you know,putting this other building,uh, over there. It could also have been built into a critical slope hillside as well, uh, and it would of created kind of a larger buffer, but that's design and, you know, I know everyone has an expert on that. So my second concern really is just the building scale is too large and too close to our property,uh, approximately, uh, 23 feet. Uh,my third concern, uh, really is about the safety. Uh....I'm, I was mowing today, candidly, uh, along Gilbert Street, and you know, people just don't think I guess and they drive right along you as you're driving along a curb, you know, on busy Gilbert Street. Well that's....that's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is when I have to cross the street to get my mail and people don't move over. Uh, they see you there. There's four lanes there (laughs). You can move over into a lane so that you have a....a space. Uh, I assure you even without the traffic that might come from this additional road. First of all I don't know how they'll get on to Gilbert Street, uh, because Gilbert Street's gonna be so busy, and it's gonna back up, uh, but most importantly I'm concerned about kids and where This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 46 do they go? They're gonna go to the parks that we've said exist on the south side or down by the river, and uh, you're gonna have to have a light or something, or I think there's gonna be some tragedy happening there, as well as just a lot of frustration and merging, uh,relative to cars. Uh, my fmal point is I wasn't at this original 'good neighbor's' meeting. Uh, you know, we've talked though candidly,uh, with Andy and,uh, I felt like he's listened to us,uh, you know. I think he's been very thoughtful in his designs, uh, and this is their second revision of the design and different material. Uh, and you know, I appreciate that. He's been open to meeting with us and discussing our....our concerns. Uh, and he's offered, you know, some minor considerations, but....you know at this point I think we're just currently agreeing to disagree on just the closeness, you know, oil...of that property, and again I guess I just didn't think that that would ever be an issue,uh, when I bought the property originally,but I'm sure you've heard that before. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Dan. Anyone else? All right, seeing no one else I'm gonna close the public hearing. Dilkes: Hold on a minute. You need....it's not on your agenda but you need to ask about are you inclined to agree (both talking) Throgmorton: Oh, of course! Thank you. Um....that's wasn't(mumbled) My bad! I should have remembered. Are you folks inclined to support the Commission's recommendation to approve the zoning? Looks to me like a majority of ya are. So I will close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Could I have a motion for first consideration please? 2. Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) [Deferred from 8/7] Mims: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Cole. Discussion? So...uh,thank you so much for expressing your views concerning,uh, I mean the property owners Dan and, um, Joel and....and Kelcey from a different angle. Uh, it, uh, certainly influences my own thinking. And I really regrec....regret the fact that that wooded hillside will no longer be wooded, at least not as much as it currently is, uh, and that's why I asked Danielle the question I did about the landscape plan or sensitive areas plan. That said, uh, I....I....I....I don't believe this project is excessive, given the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 47 current layout of the property. The only questions have to do with the two larger buildings to the west, and....it looks to me like there's a pretty good transition from those buildings, which will be fairly close to Gilbert Street, through the duplexes, to the single-family houses, which then are consistent and compatible with the single-family houses to the east. Uh, I didn't have a chance to ask, I should have asked this, what the distance is between the southern most edge of the building, the larger building on the south, and....the buildings that, uh, Dan and Joel live in. I understand that it's like 23 feet distance from the property line to the edge of the, that larger building. But I...it's my understanding y'all live down the slope a little bit and quite a bit farther away from the southern most part of the multi-family building on the south. So, uh, despite your legitimate concerns, I'm inclined to support this rezoning. Mims: I am as well and I....I guess one thing I do find interesting and...I guess I'd like to talk to staff later about this is....is this idea of a building that large within 23 feet of the property line. Urn, depending upon what's on the other side of the property nine....what is on the other side of the property line, that's not a whole lot of space,particularly when you're building a large structure. So I'm interested in... in looking at that for future reference, but I think, um....it, you know, it's, we're not annexing. It's in the city limits. We've talked about larger structures, urn, at the corners. Um, I think we most definitely are going to have to do something in terms of a crossing of Gilbert Street, particularly if we've got families in there. Uh, I think that's....that's inevitable. Um, as you mentioned, Jim, I think the transition from the west to the east, and to the adjacent properties,makes sense. Um, so I will be supporting it. Thomas: I'll just, uh, you know I'm....I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about the project, uh, when I walked in tonight,but at this point,uh, and I think the...the issues for me, is the development at the, uh, the west end with the two apartment buildings. I....I find it difficult with what's being presented, uh, to support it. And, you know, I....we've....we've had situations like this in various parts of Iowa City where you have....uh, a planned development overlay,uh, where this case the....the underlying zoning is RM-12, which is high-density residential, low-density multi-family, and when you apply that to a site like this where there's lots of land that is not....developable because of its sensitive nature, that...that development potential then is consolidated, uh, in....where.....where land can be developed and in this case it's consolidated with the, you know, primarily consolidated with the two 36-unit buildings. Um....so....you know,the...even though the overall density is something like a little over seven units per acre and the land use plan calls for two to eight, you know, I....I don't know what the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 48 density is around those two apartment buildings, but it's really quite high. Urn, and....so that....that's sort of my typical take on....on these things,that,you know, it's really how I accept buildings of that size. It's based more on contextual issues generally,uh,but what I would add to that is another aspect of this and that is that when you...it's more of the internal aspects of the project, not so much how it relates to context. Uh, when you look at the open space opportunities and I know, you know,the developer has worked hard, you've worked hard, Alex, at trying to carve out,uh,usable open space, uh, around those two buildings. It's nevertheless, urn,really limited amount of area when you're talking about 36 units per building. You know if you look at the amount of open space,usable open space, that each of these single-family residences have, where, you know, one family occupying the property and then you look at these two 36- unit buildings, it's....it's really a fairly limited amount of space, and it's not.... even though we have Napoleon across the street, you're.....you're crossing a major thoroughfare in Iowa City. So it's....it's....it's difficult to get to that near adjacent open space as a result of that. You know I....there was an open house on Prair...for Prairie Hill co-housing, uh, couple of months ago. Um, every project's going to be different, you know, and I understand that, but....but I feel that that's a good model for how you try to capture higher density, which I do support, while ....utilizing a....a palette of building types which is more consistent with the character of the surrounding land uses, and um, so I would love to have seen alternatives with this. I think....I think the concept as a whole is really pretty sound. I....I appreciate what you're doing,uh, with Cherry Avenue in terms of calming the traffic, narrowing the street, which,um, also has benefits to the City in that it's less street to maintain in the long run. Um, I....I think this plan could be worked out. I....I think, you know, it's.....it's a matter of trying to adjust in my mind the treatment at the west end to create....a.....a less intense development there, which would then open up opportunities for more open space around a higher density, uh....building type. I mean I think the...the hierarchy that's established there is right,but it just seems to me to be too much of a jump, um, which results in....in the adjacent issues and then also just not providing enough land around the building itself to accommodate the residents. So, for now I'm... I'm going to be, uh, not supporting the project. Cole: Utn....(clears throat)....you know one of the things relating to the single-family, I'm sorry,the multi-family units, one of the things I've noticed in terms of the types of units that we've been seeing is the higher-quality design in these sorts of structures. Urn, you know obviously that's not always the case,that you don't have those sort of quality structures, but I....when I see these, I tend to look at them as assets for the neighborhood, urn, and I...that's the way I look at these This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 49 particular structures. I actually like the design of'em. I do like the density. I do think it's hard to get that...this density discussion is really tough,but I think this sort of strikes the right balance. Urn, I think in terms of the single-family, I think it's gonna be a real nice asset to the neighborhood, urn, and we, you know, obviously socioeconomic diversity's a big concern of ours and I think this will add some needed, um, you know, higher-income folks as well, in addition to, urn, you know, other, uh, folks who have been, uh, concerned about. So to me I like the balance and, urn, it's always hard when you have one of these sorts of projects to get all the variables right,urn, but I do appreciate the developer in terms of how he did reach out. Obviously no process is perfect,but urn, I am gonna be supportive of it at this time. Throgmorton: Pauline? Maz? Taylor: I also appreciate the fact that, um, the developer had, uh, listened to some of the comments from the, uh, 'good neighbor' meeting and allowed, urn, for a better transition of the types of dwellings, like replacing the 10 townhomes with the two single-family units,but uh, I kinda like, uh, thinking similar to John, I would have liked to have seen, uh(mumbled) of the, um, 36-unit buildings rather than the townhomes, as I...I'm rath....I rather like townhomes (laughs) uh,and think that that would have been a....a better transition. Um, I do think the, uh, housing at first, and earlier I'd mentioned about, uh, more affordable housing, but I think somebody mentioned about the School District, but actually this...if you've got homes in the nature of$300,000 to $350,000 for families, uh, that should help the balance at....at Twain and Alexander, as far as the free and reduced lunch. So it should be just the opposite of....of what, uh,was said,uh, should....should help that, uh, although I still would like to see some....more housing for the lower income,but perhaps the apartments or the townhomes would accommodate that, but I believe it was said it would be geared towards young professionals or first- time, uh,buyers, but....which is good too, um, so uh....I'm really torn on this. Urn....because I also....I think I'm glad that Jim asked about the trees, uh, cause I think I'm concerned about that and I would be interested to see that,the information on that in the next meeting, but uh, since this is the first consideration, uh, I....would probably be inclined to,um, vote in favor of it. Salih: I really agree with John and his comment, and I will.....most likely not support this for now and I really encourage the developer to meet with the neighbor who said they don't have opportunity to get, meet together, you know, so can have, uh, idea from all the people there, if....about this project. And, uh, I'm concerning This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 50 also about the safety and somebody mentioned like no sidewalk and (unable to understand) staff to look into that. Urn,right now I'm not supporting this project. Throgmorton: Okay, any further discussion? Hearing none,roll call please. Motion carries,uh, what is it, uh.....(several talking)4-2, yeah. Motion carries 4-2. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? Mims: So moved. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton:Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 51 Item 12. Animal Services Ordinance--Ordinance amending Title 8, entitled "Police Regulations," Chapter 3, entitled "General Animal Regulations," and Chapter 4, entitled "Animal Control" to provide for animal services. (Second Consideration) Throgmorton: Could I have a motion please? Thomas: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Thomas, seconded by Cole. Discussion? Did anybody want to speak about this? No? Okay. Cole: The only thing I would like to make a comment.... Throgmorton: Sure! Cole: The only thing I would say about this ordinance is that I really hope everyone will spread the word about this ordinance,because the number of times that I've, um, gone on my walk with my own dogs and we'll see a dog tethered that seems neglected, and I know that we had some tools available, but it seems like this gives us even more tools. So this is one of these ordinances that's been a little bit under the ra....radar, but I think we should feel incredibly proud at what you put together on this and I think we need to get the word out about this ordinance so that we have these, um, additional tools, cause I think this is incredibly important, uh, for animal welfare. So I'm really glad to see you guys did this. Mims: And can I just ask a question? Liz, are you going to be back for our third reading or is this your last one? Ford: (difficult to hear) I'll be at the meeting (several talking and laughing) ...because this is...this is very important for our community and I think that it's also important for other communities that look to us as a leader in these kinds of things, so...I'll be here but, um.... Mims: You wont be a City employee(both talking) Well I just...I just want to take the opportunity, um, Liz reports to the Police Department and they had a nice, uh, hiring and promotion ceremony the other day and also recognized Liz,that she's leaving City employee....City employee to start her own business and,um, I first This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 52 met you when you were still doing the work for the Foundation, raising money for the new Animal Shelter. And it's been a pleasure to get to know you and I know the people who work with you much closer than I do hold you in incredibly high regard. In fact they were joking about you going to various meetings and everybody said, no, you're not leaving. So (laughter)thank you for all the service you've given to the City and best wishes and best luck with your new ventures. Ford: Thank you! Thank you, and I....I wanna thank all of you for the service and work that you do. You know, I love Iowa City and I really, truly considered it an honor to do this work and to serve, and I'm proud of everything that we've done, um, in animal services and all over the city. We are a great city. Thank you. Throgmorton: So, Liz, don't run away. You know I've taken the opportunity of praising you several times in public, uh, and I...I could do it again but(laughter) I won't. Actually what....what I wanna do (several talking) is what's the name of your new company and where is it located? Ford: Sure! It's called Best Friends Dog Academy and it's pet dog training and behavior consulting, and so we'll be doing classes for people who want to get involved with,you know, training their own pet, um....classes for people who wanna do a few extra things like tricks, and um....uh, canine good citizen and people that are interested in doing therapy work with their animals and things like that. Um, and also for those,um, problem animals that,um,we don't want to end up in the Animal Shelter and we wanna help them keep their pets, so....um, the facility's located at, um, Dave Long's place, where the Shelter was temporarily dur....during the time that we were rebuilding. Urn, at 4852 Sand Road. So... Throgmorton: Great! Ford: Thank you. (laughs) Throgmorton: I'm sure it'll go great! Ford: Thanks! Throgmorton: Okay, so any further discussion by Council? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion caries 6-0. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? Mims: So moved. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 53 Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 54 Item 13. Massage Business Requirements--Ordinance amending Title 5, entitled "Business and License Regulations," to add a new Chapter 3, entitled "Massage Business Information Requirement." (Second Consideration) Mims: Move second consideration. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Anybody wanna speak to this...to us about this? Eli,you're not going to speak or are you just going to go away, move north or somethin' like.....I think you're gonna be doin' that. So please, yeah, come on up! Hi! Drabek: Hi! Thank you. So first time speaker. How does this go? Is it name and library card number and (laughter) Throgmorton: Sort of. Let's start with just your name and please don't take more than five minutes. Drabek: Sure. I'm....I'm not going to take anywhere near five minutes! Um, Matt Drabek , local resident and concerned citizen and member of various....various groups. So, um, I guess the....the big thing to say here is....is of course I and presumably everyone sitting behind me and presumably everyone sitting in front of me opposes sex trafficking. That's, uh,pretty much established ground and we want to work for, uh, good solutions to the....to the problem, and I think that if Council would like to propose a good solution in an ordinance, I'd be happy to speak in favor of it. Uh,the main problem that I have with this ordinance is it has very little to do with the problem that it's sort of put in the context of,which is supposed to be, uh, issues involving sex trafficking. What the....what the ordinance in front of you does is gives the City certain tools to collect information on massage businesses, and basically there are two sorts of businesses that tend to run under the massage label. Uh, one would be what are called licensed massage therapists, or LMTs. So these are the people who you have a certain, you know, pain or discomfort in the shoulder and you wanna have a massage, you go to an LMT, right? That's....that's one kind of massage business. Um, a second kind of massage business often flies under the name massage parlor, and that's typically a polite euphemism for,urn, sex worker or prostitution. And so the ordinance would give the City certain tools to collect information on those two types of businesses. Um,the....the trouble here is that really these two types of businesses are not in any direct or consistent way connected to the issue of sex trafficking, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 55 which is what the background was to this....this ordinance, or this issue, and so really we have a couple of different routes as to where this might go. On the one hand, this ordinance, if passed, might have no effect at all. So that's one possibility, and I think that, um, that....that I think is the best case. Best case would be that this ordinance does nothing whatsoever. What I think the worst case here is is that the ordinance has negative effect. It gives the City certain tools to, um, collect information and further marginalize sex workers. That I think would be the kind of, uh, negative case here. Upon either route, I don't see much positive,uh, for us for this ordinance. I hope if the ordinance passes that it has a null effect. So I think that would be the....the good case. Thanks. Throgmorton: Thank you, Matt. Shepard: Hello, everyone. Uh, my name is Eli Shepard. I'm an Iowa City resident. Urn, and uh, I, yeah, I want to, um,both add....or both, uh, second everything that Matt raised. Um, and uh....there's a couple things that I wanted to add. Urn, so obviously I agree that this is,urn, I think the in the...intentions behind, uh, wanting to address sex trafficking are obviously noble intentions,um, and um,my concern is also that this,um,will....become an issue. This ordinance as written, uh, essentially will become an issue of further marginalizing sex workers, urn, who are already criminalized, um, and so, uh,this ordinance, um.....as it is, uh, will make conditions more vulnerable for those folks and um....uh, make it so, um, and it doesn't do anything to address the fact that folks already may be, urn, for fear of;uh, criminalization because of the work that they do is already illegal, um, in many cases, um, will be, um....uh, scared to come forward with actual issues of trafficking or violence,urn, for fear of getting in trouble with the law themselves,urn, and so really what, urn,both,uh, sex workers themselves and, uh, anti-trafficking advocates and organizations like,uh, Human Rights Wash,uh, Watch and Amnesty International, many organizations like that, urn,they all deviate from the line that the one organization that has really pushed this proposal, Polaris Project I believe,um, they all, uh, disagree in a fundamental way about the way to approach this problem and,urn,what those organizations and what sex workers themselves,um, have been advocating for a long time now is the decriminalization of sex work, urn,which is a totally different direction than this ordinance goes. This ordinance seems to, urn, like in....in, I was talking with Mazahir about this, urn,before the meeting,urn, what the, uh, ordinance seems to do is that it will mean that, uh, massage parlor or places that aren't....that aren't licensed massage therapy places,um, they will be,urn, they will inevitably not produce the information the City's requesting,urn, and uh, those places will be placarded. Um, and then from there I'm not clear that,uh,the ordinance seems to This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 56 leave it open, urn, about what the City or the Police will do once the place is placarded. Urn, which is concerning to me. Urn, and uh, really the fact that like even if a place was placarded,it seems like the police would...the purpose would be for the,uh,the shuttering of these places,urn, and that the police would then be likely arresting the people who work there. Urn, and that just is a further eriminalization of sex workers and isn't directly,urn, working to reduce trafficking. Urn, it's just feeding into the scenario where people are afraid to come forward,um, and so, uh, to move forward with this I think it needs to go in a completely different direction, and needs to,urn,both, uh, account for, urn, what sex workers themselves and anti-trafficking organizations, other than this one organization that's really pushed this throughout the state of Iowa,have been pushing for, which is decriminalization of sex work, urn, and also other local orga ...organizations,urn, should be better consulted with,um,that...organizations that work,um, to combat violence against women, urn, and to combat sex trafficking. Urn, so like Monsoon,NISSA, or uh,the Rape Victims Advocacy Program would all be good organizations, in addition to the advocacy organizations that I already mentioned,urn, to consult with on this. Urn, so I would really,um,urge you all to vote no on this. Urn, and to...go back to the drawing board if we're going to, uh, work to actively address sex trafficking,because this ordinance does not do that. So, thank you very much! Throgmorton: Thanks, Eli. Anyone else? Okay, seeing no one else, Council discussion? Cole: What....what sort of,urn, domes...just remind me, in terms of local organizations, what sort of input have we had from them, and we've had obviously the massage, cause...okay. If you could just elaborate on that,because I wanna make sure, you know, to Eli's point, I think he raises a good point is that if we're talking about a national organization,there's a lot of advocacy groups, I wanna make sure we've got that grassroots impact, and I also wanna be sure that as I understand it,this is expressly not designed and that's what we're being told,uh,for purposes of facilitating prosecutions of prostitution for the victims in these institutions. Is that....is that what this is designed to (both talking) Bailey: That's exactly right. So the....the intent, first of all, is not to collect information on massage businesses. Urn, it's to, uh,verify their State license upon complaint. Cole: Okay. Bailey: But additionally, uh, when we come in contact, the intent of the contact with those workers within that business is not to arrest them,but again, this is a tool to give This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 57 us that initial contact so that we can use our community partners,like RVAP,urn, Monsoon,NISSA, etc., to provide them services to hopefully break those chains. Cole: Are they supportive of this? Bailey: Uh, so we have reached out. So,uh....in all honesty,we...we began the process by reaching out to the licensed massage therapists, thinking that it would have the greatest impact upon them, so we wanted the feedback from the licensed massage therapists. To answer your question—yes. Uh, it was, urn, a couple weeks ago that I reached out to RVAP, spoke directly to Adam Rodin...or Robinson,the Executive Director, and provided him a....a copy of the draft ordinance. Uh, Adam at that time was going to provide it to his staff and provide feedback, if they had it,up until this point. and I reached out about a week ago again to get an update and have not received anything back from RVAP. Um,we understand that these organizations, RVAP and our community partners....like them,will come into play when we have contact,uh, with victims,uh, within these establishments, if we have contact with victims within these establishments, and again that...at that point is when we would provide the services to them,bringing them in. Again, the intent not to arrest. Ur...uh, Monsoon, I did reach out to the local, um,board member from Monsoon. Monsoon, I believe her name was Lata,um, and I have not heard back from her. That was a few days ago. Uh, and that actually came,uh, to the recommendation of,uh, one of the community members, which was a great recommendation. NISSA as well; urn,was planning on stopping in theft office to get their feedback on it as well, and it, you know, again, they are community partners,um, and we intend on completely,uh,having them involved in the process and using them, um, to provide services and certainly to provide...or to gather the input on how best to serve victims, should we encounter them. Salih: And when you collect the informations, I'm sorry....when you get....when you request the information(mumbled) secondest step after that,what the next step, I mean? Bailey: So....so moving forward, um,we need to figure out a plan. A plan,urn, as City staff, a plan to work with these organizations, urn,not only to, um, figure out a plan on how to,urn,best provide services if we encounter victims,but also how we can reach out ahead of time to provide information on changes, changes that are coming,um, and that would be,you know, we'll use those community partners,urn, and their input on how we can educate the community and how we can edg....educate, uh,various groups within the community, and then we'll also, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 58 urn, hopefully have their input on how we can best provide services, should we encounter victims, uh,within the community. Salih: Okay and when you ask those like facilities for like information,how did you choose to ask, like uh....after you suspect something or....I don't know, I don't understand (both talking) Bailey: Yeah, I....I don't think it's....we don't have a, it's not a set....set in stone, because we haven't, I haven't heard back from them. From those community partners yet. Salih: You haven't, okay. Bailey: Yeah, no I haven't heard back from them, uh, after reaching out to them. Again, um, we plan on working with them (coughing, difficult to hear speaker)moving forward,however. Uh, working with them to establish the best,urn, the best way, um, understanding the difficult dynamic that these victims encounter, um,but the best way to, um, provide services in hopes of breaking those chains of trafficking, if they exist. Throgmorton: So I wanna feel more comfortable in knowing that, urn, folks sitting here who have spoken to us tonight and expressed concerns, uh, that they and friends have, won't be harmed by the ordinance. I wanna be confident that's the case. And, uh, frankly at the moment I'm not confident. I mean I'm totally confident that the purpose of the ordinance is a good one and that you and....and, uh, Sue and everybody else involved are, you know,have tried to do exactly, uh, the best thing to do, uh.....but it's a confounding kind of situation it seems to me. So I.....I wanna feel more confident, and....and we have another reading to do in another couple weeks. It would be terrific if there....you could be, you know, followin' up on these efforts to contact Monsoon and....and, uh, the Director of RVAP and whoever else you think's appropriate and absolutely be speaking more with, uh, with, uh, Matt and....I'm sorry, I've forgotten your name (several talking) I know you spoke too, yeah(several talking) Uh....uh, follow up on conversations with them,try to resolve the tension there. I...I don't want that tension to be there. Bailey: I agree. I agree, and actually Jamie and I have,what, we spent about an hour and a half the other day, uh (laughter) Yeah. Yeah, and that's....that's one of many conversations we're....we've had and we will continue to have, uh, moving forward. We understand that this is, um.....it's.....it's difficult, um, and....and certainly our intent, like I mentioned, is...is to provide services, is....is to have This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 59 that first contact so that we can provide services. Um,it would be very difficult if we were to enforce the prostitution related laws, the sex laws, that are in place because they would only further victimize those victims. Urn, what we're trying to do is find a solution that's not prosecu....prosecution, um, a solution that gives us that face-to-face contact so that we can reach out and provide services. Salih: Uh huh. Throgmorton: Any other questions for Jorey? Thanks, Jorey. Bailey: Thank you. Throgmorton: Uh, anybody else want to address us on this topic? Okay, any further Council discussion? Cole: I agree with you, Jim, on that point, and I....I think one issue in terms of the collecting the information,urn, I think if you're talking about a business, I think if you go to a restaurant, you go to,urn, in terms of just the requirement of being able to produce identification of the licensed providers, that intuitively makes sense,but I have concerns about the remedy here does seem like a very powerful remedy that maybe seems a little bit more robust than what it should be,but that said, if we do get the buy-in from the organizations, and it's a truly targeted grassroots response to that, I agree with Jim, I'd feel much more comfortable. So I'm gonna be a yes tonight but I could switch to a no if I don't feel we have the true community buy-in,urn, on this, but...especially from the victims' advocacy organizations. Taylor: I agree too, cause I think the,uh, original intent of, uh, this ordinance,uh, was very good intentions and it was based on a number of,uh, correspondence, lot of letters and emails that we received from public, I think, concerned about sprouting up of....of businesses all across town and their concerns about some of the folks that they were seeing coming and going from there, and also it....it was at one time a very high profile news story,uh, coming out from even nearby communities and what they were doing and what they were seeing, and of course sex trafficking is a....a big topic and something that we don't wanna see, uh, and so I....I saw it as a good start to....to doing something about that and....and preventing any problems, uh,that might happen. Uh, so....but I agree with Jim. I think if we get some more information, work with these folks a little bit more and....and maybe fine-tuning it a little bit or adding whatever they think might be helpful to it would.....would be a good idea. So, uh, like Rockne, I....I would go This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 60 along with it today, urn,but uh....would like to see a little bit more to it, little more meat to it next time. Salih: I do agree that good intention by the police(mumbled)behind this ordinance by the Police Department of course. Uh,but you know I started hearing from the community, a lot people like talk to me about this, like was a few days ago, and they....they have really concern, maybe they don't understand exactly what your intention is or what the procedure and what the big picture is. Uh, I really encourage to just start like sit down with them,talk to them and so....we'11 see until then(mumbled) you know,voting time, yeah,but for now, yeah. Gonna (mumbled) Yeah. Throgmorton: Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 61 Item 14. Rental Permit Cap Amendment--Ordinance amending Title 17, entitled "Building and Housing," Section 5, entitled "Housing Code," to require properties with new rental permits to be leased promptly. (First Consideration) Throgmorton: Could I have a motion please? Mims: So moved. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Hi, Stan! Laverman: Good evening, Jim. Stan Laverman, Senior Housing Inspector. Thought we'd take this opportunity to touch base on the rental permit cap. Um, the map is before you. Urn, this is the most up-to-date information that we have at this point. Urn, so as you know, the State changed how we can regulate occupancy and,uh, multiple different rules were put in place,uh, not of the least was the rental permit cap in our University impacted neighborhoods. Uh, as a reminder,no more than 30%of the single-family and duplex properties in any given neighborhood can be rental. Urn, the memo kind of states, you know, where we moved,uh, from. We had several neighborhoods that were close to that 30%,uh,who have went over that...or went to that 30% now. Uh, one of note is the Mark Twain neighborhood. We have three eligible,uh,properties at that point,uh, in that neighborhood. Urn, Miller Orchard is another one that quickly,uh, went to that 30%. Some of it was people just getting honest,uh, and some of it was, uh, people taking the opportunity to,uh, get into the market in those areas as they felt they were good properties to be rental. Urn, the change that you have in front of you,uh,is a result of the rental permit cap. Uh,previously we did have owner-occupied properties that would maybe hold a rental permit for a period of time. Um, as we had that cap we don't wanna artificially lower,uh,that 30% cap in any of these neighborhoods, and we saw a handful of people take out speculative rental property, or rental permits, feeling that they had,uh,more value in their property if it held a rental permit. Additionally in your Northside neighborhood, if we see properties, or when we see properties change from rental to owner-occupied, we don't want them to told on to that rental permit and, uh,rent it out at a future time. So that is the....the minor change that we're proposing at this time! Cole: So the people that have already taken out the permit for speculative purposes, they can do that now. Will they then lose them? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 62 Laverman: Yeah, yeah,this is a retroactive,uh, ordinance. So next time that we revisit that property,um....uh, there's provisions in place that say no, you can't hold on to that because you're not meeting the provisions of the ordinance. Cole: Okay. Dilkes: Because it's a rental permit and it's done yearly. Cole: Okay. Throgmorton: Stan, can you please remind me of what....um, it means to.....to.....to.....what's the right word here, sorry. To....to lease promptly. Laverman: To lease promptly, yes. Um, so obviously if you're moving out of your home there's steps that you take and, uh,part of that is,you know, we feel that six months is a good turn-around time for,uh,to making that move from being an owner-occupied property to a rental property. Urn, we're asking to see, you know, uh, certain, uh, indications that you're....this is a legitimate, going to be a legitimate rental. If you're moving out of the community, if you've purchased another property, if you have a job at another location,um....um, all of those would be taken into consideration. But again,if it exceeds a six-month time period,we would feel that it's not a valid rental permit. And we have ways to verify that a property is either occupied or unoccupied for a period of time. Cole: What(both talking) Throgmorton: Go ahead,Rockne. Cole: What about, I know some of the professors that can go on sabbatical from time to time expressed concerns about 'em. Would they be affected by this? So for example someone can have a year's sabbatical. Laverman: (both talking) ...in the original ordinance,uh, for temporary rental permits, and sabbatical was one of those, uh, areas that was definitively defined as an(both talking) So no,they wouldn't be affected by this. Throgmorton: Any other questions for Stan? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 63 Taylor: If someone had.....is having trouble selling their home, say it's been on the market, which doesn't happen in Iowa City very often, uh, say for nine months or so and then would decide to try to put it up as a rental, would this cause them not to be able to do that or as long as, again, they followed the six-month thing to rent? Laverman: So if there....if they were in an area that wasn't capped out, they could obtain a rental permit. In the capped area, I'm gonna have to get back to you on that. I don't know if....the sale, or...or the lack of a sale affected....would allow you to get a rental permit. Dilkes: I don't think (both talking) Laverman: I don't think it did, yeah. Mims: I don't think so. Throgmorton: Maybe you should double-check(both talking) Laverman: Yeah, I'll....I can double-check that and(both talking) Dilkes: We know that's the case because we had a....we had an issue raised about that and.... Mims: I mean people could just put an inflated price on their house and say they can't sell it and then get a rental permit, I mean it'd be a huge loophole for people. So.... Laverman: But I'll bring that back(several talking) Throgmorton: Good deal. Thank you, Stan. All right. Council discussion? Mims: I think the students wanna.... Throgmorton: Oh! I'm sorry! Gustave! Stewart: Hi, Gustave Stewart, your UISG Liaison. Um, I just wanted to say that,urn, we are supportive of this amendment, that um, it is important that the, urn, the rental ratio is not artificially taken to, um, higher than what it actually is,because that will ultimately, um, impede on people that are actually renting,urn,to get those This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 64 rental permits, urn, in those adjacent areas...the areas right outside the areas that are capped. So....if you're following, urn, so generally, um, supportive of the amendment. But anyways, thank you. (several responding) Throgmorton: And incidentally, welcome back to both you and Austin, you know, another start of the new year or the new school year and everything. (laughter) Anybody else want to address this topic? Okay, seeing no one else, Council discussion? Mims: I just think....it's.....it's indicative of the loopholes that people are very creative at finding, urn, and also our staff is very astute at recognizing what people are doing, so thank you to staff. I think this is important. Throgmorton: I thought I noticed Stan sort of wringing his hands saying, 'We have our ways!' (laughter) I'm only kidding! Yeah, of course we knew, Susan. You know, we talked about this a lot way back when, that there would be loopholes. We would have to make adjustments along the way. That's just, uh,just inevitable. Further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 65 Item 15. Housing Trust Fund Contribution--Resolution authorizing the City Manager to sign a memorandum of understanding with the Housing Trust Fund of Johnson County for the contribution and use of$500,000 for affordable housing. Mims: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Cole. Discussion? Tracy, uh,Tracey, did either one of you (both talking) Fruin: ....jump in on this real quick. Um, you've got a couple pieces of information, well a memo from me and then also, uh, probably of more value a letter from Bob Dvorsky, who's the board president, and Tracey Achenbach, the executive director of the Housing Trust Fund of Johnson County. Urn, the question that Council has been debating has been whether to lower the aid percent AMI number for,uh, the households that are supported down to 60%. I think you can see really from the letter that, urn, Bob and Tracey submitted that,uh, in reality, the vast majority of those households that are being supported are not only below 60% already, but well below 60%. Now they did note a couple of,uh,households that they had supported that had been over,but those have been few and far between over the last eight years. So I think you can....um, from the rental side look at that two different ways. The practical impact of takin' it down to 60 is....is probably not that great at all but it does require them to track differently than they are now for...for IFA, the only....the Iowa Finance Authority,they track the 30 and the 80% levels, so this is just another layer of tracking that....that they would have to do. Uh, and as we noted in the memo, the, urn, we do think that if you lower that to 60, you need to exempt out, um....uh, State and federal programs, like the LIHTC program,uh, and, uh, we would also suggest you exempt out the home ownership piece and those reasons are articulated in both the memo and,uh, the....the letter that you received. Throgmorton: Okie dokie. Thank you. Uh, would anybody like to address this topic? Anybody in the audience? Okay. Council discussion? Mims: I'm supportive of leaving it the way it is. I....I think it's clear that the Housing Trust Fund has done I think a really good job of addressing the needs of people, urn, who....who need the assistance, and I think, uh, putting another layer of recordkeeping on them just doesn't..I mean it just makes already overly burdened This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 66 non-profits, it just makes it harder for them to do their job in an efficient manner when we put, uh, extra tracking requirements on them that really aren't going to change what's already being done. And so, um, I think they're doing their best to serve,uh,the people that need to be served. The numbers are already in general way below the 60% level, and so I'm comfortable leaving it the way it is. Cole: The only other piece that's important for me is the question of owner-occupied affordable housing and I think that's an important piece for me. So I am • supportive of cause I think that's the main impact, um, of who's going to be affected by this. So I'm...uh,would like to keep it as is. Taylor: I'm also supportive of keeping it the way it is. I think that if,uh, we...change the number it would be restrictive to some people who....who are needy,um,there was the data that only....that there were five that would not have qualified and they were only at 61, 64%, and 66% and,uh,they....they also, uh, were in need of these funds and a majority of the renting households are served,uh,that are below 30% is what the data said, so, uh, I'm in favor of leaving it the way it is and..... Salih: I'm in favor of changing to 60%because of that reason, because the Housing Trust Fund,they has been doing it under 60%. That's why I wanna keep it like that. They already doin' it, you know, and I really would prefer to go to the exception of the....if they using like (mumbled)uh, example (mumbled) if they using like federal fund or something like that. I....I prefer to go with that. If they really doing it, and if they using federal fund, that really require 80%,then okay! Do that, but if they're really doing it,why not? Why not doing it at 60% if they already been doing it and I really support(mumbled) wording was changed to the, limit City funding, to rental housing, you know,project, not home ownership, because the City is already supporting the home ownership through another program, like the UniverCity program. Mims: That's not affordable housing though. Throgmorton: Yeah, it was never defined as affordable housing. Salih: What you mean? Mims: UniverCity program (several talking)was never defined as affordable housing and if you look at the prices, those are not(both talking)most cases are not (several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 67 Salih: Of course they are not going to be affordable housing because the way we're doing it. We just talk about affordable housing but you are not for really doing it. Earlier you said when....when Pauline said that, I'm talking to you, Susan, when, uh, Pauline said the developers should do more affordable housing, the City, you said no,the developer should not but the City should or the, you know, the government how this supposed to subsidize those kind of things. That's true then, let us do it. Why not doing it? We just speaking about it. But we are not doing it. And I still encourage the City to identify a core elements of(unable to understand)priority for the City and I think I...I really support 60% and there is already....and with the exception of, um....you know just to, that when (unable to understand) Throgmorton: Uh, so I intend to vote in favor of...well I'm going to vote in favor of the ordi... the, uh,resolution,uh,but I think mainly cause it....what the Housing Trust Fund currently is doing is consistent with what you want to accomplish, and it's consistent with what our Council has been striving to do for the last...you know, three years. So, uh, yeah, I....I don't see any need to change it. Salih: It's...of course everybody has their opinion. You can stuck to your opinion. I'm not here to change your mind,but I have to express my opinion and my belief and my value. Throgmorton: Yeah, fair enough! Okay, so any other discussion? All right, so the motion's about authorizing the Manager to sign a Memo of Understanding with the Trust Fund,uh, for the contribution and use of$500,000 for affordable housing. Could I have a roll call please? Motion carries 5-1, Salih in the negative. (begins to read next item description) Mims: Can I interrupt you for one second? Tracey, you can't leave yet...Achenbach. Throgmorton: Oh,you're gonna praise her too? Mims: Yeah. There was.... Achenbach: It's almost 10:00! (laughter) Mims: You....you can wait for two more minutes! (laughter) Urn,what a lot of people in the public may not know is that Tracey Achenbach, who has been the Executive Director of the Housing Trust Fund of Johnson County for quite some time has taken a new position with the East Central Iowa Council of This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 68 Governments. Urn, we're happy for her but we are sad to see her leaving the Housing Trust Fund of Johnson County. Uh, Tracey has done just an incredible job,uh, she's had a great board but she has been the Executive Director for, I'm not sure how many years. Almost 10 years. Urn, and has just....they are....they are just a partner that we can count on in this community, and there's....there's things that the public should do and there's things that the private should do, and there's things that non-profits should do, and it's really nice to be able to pass resolutions like this and just hand off the money to a non-profit that has the experience and the staff and the contacts and....and can do that work, and we know that it's going to be done well, um, it's gonna really help meet the needs of the people who....who need it, who deserve that support, and we're not gonna have to worry about things coming back to us later,urn, about anything being mishandled. So, Tracey, urn, from the Iowa City Council and Iowa City community, and Johnson County, thank you very much and, uh,best wishes in your new position. (unable to hear response from audience) You're welcome! (several talking) (unable to hear response) Sure! Throgmorton: You really should. Thanks! Achenbach: I shouldn't? Throgmorton: You should! (several responding) Achenbach: (laughter) I, because I wanted to come up in public comment and say thank you all so much for making my job so easy these last years because of your dedication to affordable housing. I've told you before, I've been doing this for a long time and, urn, what you are doing sets a precedent for the whole state and it's very, um, it's just really unbelievable and you've made my job really easy, and I'm very proud to say that I will continue to be an Iowa City resident just not, uh, workin' for the Trust fund anymore,but um, thank you guys all so much. The staff too, the staff has been great to work with and you all have been, um, so important to the efforts of making more affordable housing in the community and I say that with, um, all sincerity, so thanks very much and I just do....I've just been doin' my job,that's all! Mims: Yeah! Throgmorton: So, Tracey, you probably remember that I was a member of ECICOG's board twice before, you know, for one year terms and every meeting I think you were This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 69 there, and I thought well, so now you're goin' back to ECICOG (laughs) you're gonna be a staff person now instead of attending meetings. Achenbach: I'll be getting to do...you should be happy, because I'll be getting to do a little bit more planning with communities and counties, so that'll be....I'm looking forward to going back to doing a little bit more of that. So... Throgmorton: Good deal! Say hi to Doug. Achenbach: Okay. Thank you, all, so much. Throgmorton: Yeah. All right, so, uh....(several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 70 Item 16. Charging Station Agreement for Harrison Street Parking Facility-- Resolution approving Agreement for Temporary Use of Public Property between the City of Iowa City and Steve Hou for wall space on the interior of the Harrison Street Parking Facility in Iowa City,Iowa. Throgmorton: Could I have a motion to approve? Mims: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Cole. Course just reading that, it sounds really pretty vague as to what this is all about. We're gonna work with Steve Hou? I mean, so.....(several talking) Hi! Good evenin'. Good to see ya. Rummel: Good evening. Mark Rummel,Associate Director,Transportation Services. Um, what this is really covering is the Sabin townhomes that are built right adjacent to the....the newest,uh, parking ramp we have, the Harrison Street parking ramp. They share a wall. It's actually our wall but it's a fire wall between the, urn, townhomes and our ramp. So what this individual would like to do is come through the wall with just a conduit to supply power to a charging station to plug in his electric vehicle, urn, so it's a private charging station for a specific stall that he's,urn,he has a permit for and per an agreement we have with the townhomes, um....uh,those owners can get up to two reserved stalls right outside their door. So he's trying to put it in his own stall, um, we just would need the right-of-way permit, and what we're asking for too is to, um, for future, uh,requests like this, that this will help us, uh,process that a little faster. So,we're expecting, well, there's a good chance that we might have requests like this in the future, especially in that area. So.... Throgmorton: Okay. Good. Thanks,Mark. Mims: I think this is a great idea. Throgmorton: Yeah. Why not? Any Council discussion? Either than it's a great idea,nod,nod. Taylor: And,just quick question, that spot will be clearly labeled that that is for his spot, due to the Sabin townhomes, so that other, the members of the public coming in the ramp wouldn't....wouldn't use that spot,with....for a charger? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 71 Rummel: He's already got that space reserved and the....anyone else who has space over there, it's a sign that says `reserved for this space#' so it'd be that one. Yeah. Throgmorton: Thanks, Mark. No further Council discussion? Roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 72 Item 17. Smokin' Joe's #19 Tobacco Penalty Resolution assessing$300.00 civil penalty against Smokin' Joe's #19. Mims: So moved. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Does anybody wanna address this topic? Good evening. Bactchellor: Hi. Throgmorton: You're so patient! (laughter) Unbelievable! (laughter) Bactchellor: Sergeant Paul Bactchellor with the Iowa City Police Department. Uh, I have been tasked with,uh, directing our tobacco enforcement program for the Police Department through the Alcoholic Beverages Division, and um (clears throat) with this particular violation,uh, at Smokin' Joe's,uh,we essentially send,uh,we find 16-or 17-year-old volunteers to,uh,we do pay, uh, a small fee to,uh,to work with us,uh, go in in an undercover capacity,under the guidance and direct observation of police officers,uh, they go in and they purchase,uh, they attempt to purchase tobacco with money supplied by us. Uh, it's a program monitored through the State and....and we're....we participate in that program. And essentially....there's no hidden agenda or anything like that. They....the employee just goes directly up to the cashier, asks to buy something like cigarettes. If the employee asks them how old they are they have to tell them legitimately how old they are. If they ask 'em their date of birth they have to tell `em that. If they ask for identification they show'em their actual driver's license. So it's a straightforward compliance check. Uh, in this instance we sent the employee in to Smokin' Joe's. Uh,the employee, uh,turned around,uh, sold our undercover, or our....uh, volunteer assistant a pack of cigarettes and she gave him the cash that we provided so....and made the sale. The employee was cited, uh, and later pled guilty to the offense. Throgmorton: Okie dokie. Thank you, Paul. Are....are you gonna speak for the next one? Why don't you(both talking) Bactchellor: I'm up for the next one. Okay. Do you want me to go right in to that one? Throgmorton: Sure! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 73 Bactchellor: Okay. So the other one is the,uh, shop at 355 S. Linn Street,uh, called Almost Paradise. Uh,this was the same kype....type of, uh, situation. We sent the same person in the same night,uh, this was actually December 7th of 2016. Uh, the employee there,uh, sold our person a pack of cigarettes, uh, without asking for any identification. Employee was ultimately cited,uh, and ultimately pled guilty, looks like January 3't of 2018. Salih: And how old is the person that you send? Bactchellor: In this situation the person was 16-years-old. Salih: And they look 16? Bactchellor: Yes,uh,this was a, uh,this particular night was a girl that's 16-years-old. She didn't look any old than 16. Salih: Okay, because sometimes they look older,that's why. Bactchellor: I agree! Salih: Make sure to send somebody who look like(both talking) Bactchellor: Yeah,but uh....for....for a business to sell tobacco,they're tasked with making sure that they're....they're complying with the law. In these two situations they were not. So.... Salih: Sure. Throgmorton: Okay. Good deal. Thanks, Paul! Bactchellor: Thanks. Throgmorton: All right. I assume no one in the audience wants to...this,uh, comment on this so Council discussion? Taylor: (mumbled)it seemed pretty straightforward. Throgmorton: All right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 74 Mikes: We're on....we're on Smokin' Joe's, right? Throgmorton: Yes. Dilkes: Okay. Throgmorton: No further discussion? Roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 75 Item 18. Almost Paradise Tobacco Penalty--Resolution assessing$300.00 civil penalty against Almost Paradise Throgmorton: ...and we just heard a description of the event from Sergeant Bactchellor. Could I have a motion to approve please? Thomas: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Thomas, seconded by Salih. Discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 6-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 76 Item 19. Council Appointments--Applicants MUST reside in Iowa City and be 18 years of age unless specific qualifications are stated 19.a.Community Police Review Board Throgmorton: Uh, the community Police Review Board, we have one vacancy to fill an unexpired term upon appointment, and have received applications from Charlie....from Charles Eastham, Zachary Goldsmith, Harry Olmstead, and Mohammed Taha. And.....my recollection is that this is a female gender requirement. So we need to readvertise because we're talkin' about four guys here, right? (several responding) Okay, so....that's what we're gonna do on that. 19.b.Library Board of Trustees Throgmorton: Moving on to Item 19.b, the Library Board of Trustees. There's one vacancy to fill an unexpired term upon appointment and we have....uh, several,where's the number? Uh, one, two, three, four....I guess five, five applicants. Wesley Beary, Kathleen Crawford, Justin Ford, Peter Hanson, and Harry Olmstead. What's your pleasure, folks? Mims: Urn, I'd like to encourage us to consider Wesley Beary. He's coming off the Treas.....the Library's Foundation Board, um,has been I think the president of that and, urn, I think he called and talked to me about it and....and then looking at the application stuff I think he's got a lot of, uh, familiarity and especially with the director's position changing over, etc., I think he would be a natural to kind of fit in there without a lot of,uh,not having to get up to speed as much as some other people might(mumbled) Throgmorton: Any other comment? Taylor: I do know Peter Hanson and I know that whatever he sets his mind to or does he...he does a very thorough job,very good job, and I think that he....he would be good on the board. Looks like he's served on other various boards and commissions,uh, although I believe, uh, Mr. Beary came recommended by....by Susan Craig herself,which is a very good recommendation. Uh, and he does, as....as Susan mentioned, have experience,uh,with the Library and....so I would probably support him. Throgmorton: Yeah, I would support Wesley Beary as well. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 77 Cole: So would I. Thomas: Me too. Throgmorton: All right, sounds like(mumbled) Maz, did you wanna....yeah. Okay. So I think we're clear about that, uh, so we need a motion to appoint....Wesley Beary to the Library Board of Trustees. Mims: So moved. Throgmorton: So moved by Mims. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Second by Thomas. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 78 Item 21. Community Comment Throgmorton: Gustave, did you wanna say a few words? Stewart: So as you probably know, students are back in town. Urn, they have moved in, urn, and the University's school year has now begun. Urn, if you were not aware. (laughter) Urn, these students come from different backgrounds and different places,um, and in fact over 5,000 new individuals have now arrived at the University of Iowa, and now we get to call Iowa City home or second home. There are not that many places that you can find this environment where there's so much diversity and so many different backgrounds. Um, where you can share with one another and learn from one another about,um, like students that are from different countries or states or just overall different backgrounds, and it a really great opportunity. And the City has an enormous, uh, responsibility and ability to create that environment and create that community in collaboration with students and the overall community. Um....yeah, so you, as a student, urn, they make long lasting friends and they find community and they prepare for jobs here in the future, leaders of the city, state, country, and world. Urn, that being said, I would also like to give a shout out to, urn, fellow UISG colleagues who,urn, this past week, urn, as a part of On Iowa,urn,registered about 1,400 students, um, in Iowa City to vote. Urn....so, I encourage you to get to know some students, urn, engage in community there, and thank you! Throgmorton: Thanks! Gustave, I'm very proud to report that two of your constituents are my daughter and my older son,both returning students to the University of Iowa. So....talk to them, get their advice, you know,that kind of thing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 79 Item 22. City Council Information Throgmorton: Could we perhaps start with Maz and move to the right. So, you know, kinda like that. Salih: Well (mumbled) Throgmorton: Sorry, City Council information,just uh..... Salih: Ur....today is our holiday, the second most biggest Muslim holiday and I just wish everybody(mumbled) celebrating the Muslim holiday and wish myself too. And that's I! I don't have (mumbled) even though it's my holiday I'm here because I think this was like I haven't had,uh, I forget completely (mumbled) I should have like asked you to move that meeting or anything,but I forget, number one. Number two, sometime the holiday could be Monday, or could be Tuesday. That's why we don't know sometime and um, I guess that's all, and I'm here because of those important, you know, item on the agenda. Otherwise I will be home celebrating with my children. Throgmorton: Great! Rockne? Cole: Well I wanted to welcome all the students back. Urn,we love our students and we want them in our neighborhoods and our community and Iowa City wouldn't be, uh, what Iowa City...what would be without the students, and so we welcome them and want them part of our neighborhoods. But, one of the things about being in the neighborhoods, we also want students to be good neighbors, and we've heard anecdotal reports of a little bit too much fun in the evening, and we want....we understand that that's part of the college experience as well. Um, certainly there's a lot of opportunities downtown,urn,but I think in the neighborhoods we want the neighborhoods respectful and we want people to be good neighbors to one another. So I wanna get the word out to members of the public,um,we really want to watch out for the disorderly houses as we sort of approach this fall. Um, I think it's very important that we have neighborhoods in which we have students, which have families, which have people of all walks of life, but the people have an opportunity to get a good night's rest and that they're not woken up at 2:00 in the morning. So,uh, with the start of the school year I think we all need to start strong and we need to be good neighbors to one another, and I encourage people to, uh,be respectful of,um, of each other as they have fun,uh, while at the same time en....enjoying living in our wonderful neighborhoods, and the students of course will always be welcome with that. So, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 80 if any of those issues do pop up, please let us know. Please let our staff know. I really wanna make sure that we start off with a strong, um...uh, foot,this....this fall so we can ensure that, you know we have, uh, vibrant, healthy neighborhoods where one can get a good night's rest. Thomas: A couple of events I wanted to mention. One is this coming Thursday at Happy Hollow. We'll have, uh, Party in the Park, and uh, I don't know if the shelter and the restroom are.... Throgmorton: The pavement's down. Thomas: Not completely done but almost (laughs) so I guess we'll have to kind of just, uh, pretend they're finished or something, but uh,the shelters have....shelter does have its roof and what have you so it's pretty clear what, you know, it's functional at least. Um, so that's 6:30 this coming Thursday. And then ICAD, uh, is sponsoring a Ted-X event on August 30'h, from 1:00 to 5:00 P.M. on the subject of`Power of Community.' There'll be eight speakers. Uh, and it'll be held at the Hotel vetro. Uh, if you attend the....the actual event, it's $100. If you, um, would like to watch it remotely you can do that at Merge in the ped mall or at the Kirk....Kirkwood Regional Center. So there're a couple options and those are free. For those of you who don't know what a Ted event is, it's Ted is a non- profit devoted to the sharing of ideas, usually in the form of a brief talk, uh, so `Power of the Community' might be kind of an interesting subject to hear about. Throgmorton: Susan? Mims: Just, uh, add my welcome to the students coming back and the new ones. Uh, for those that are driving in Iowa City for the first time,please pay attention to the signage (laughs) We....and we also still have a little construction going on. So, uh, as things go from two lanes to one, be careful. Um,but other than that, uh, just welcome back to everybody and fall is almost here! Taylor: Well there's been a lot of things going on. Um, Susan touched on the Police ceremony as far as how they recognized Liz Ford at that,but it also was wonderful to see the new officers that have been hired, as well as,uh, some of the promotions that have gone on in the department that obviously were very well, uh, thought out and well deserved, which is great to see that and congratulations to those that were promoted and welcome to those new officers that are on board. Mims: You might mention, Pauline, we have our first female captain ever. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21, 2018. Page 81 Taylor: Yes! Yes, that was exciting. (several talking) Denise Brotherton, yes. Throgmorton: ...statewide at least as far as I know. Mims: I don't know across the state but she's (both talking) Taylor: Well deserved! Mims: First female captain ever in the Iowa City Police Department. Throgmorton: She was in the room earlier. Mims: Yes she was (several talking) Taylor: Uh, let's see here, uh....and.....Tracey, obviously we've talked about her. There was a very lovely but very emotional farewell reception for her at the Midwest One Bank. That was very nice, and of course the Soul Fest just, uh, wound up last weekend. That was a great event, well attended, good food, good entertainment. Um....upcoming things, tomorrow, uh, the McDonald's on Riverside Drive has a grand reopening at 5:30 and I think it'd be great to show up and support that,uh, restaurant because the updated design, I think, complements our Riverfront Crossings area and will be a great addition to that area. That's nice. All that's tomorrow, at 5:30, on the Riverside Drive location. And that's...that's all! Throgmorton: Well I'm embarrassed to admit I missed some, uh, really notable events over the past week, like Soul Fest, but I did so because my wife and daughter and I were on vacation. Yes! (laughs) Vacation! And we were on vacation in Helsinki, Finland, uh, which John has....and Sarah, have been to before. It's a lovely city. Really fun to be there. And we managed to just kind of explore and walk around for, I don't know, three days or something like that, and then I participated in, as an invited guest, uh, participated in an event involving scholars from Aalto University in Helsinki and Topra University, in, Topra, Finland, and it was really fun to be involved in the workshop and symposium with the researchers from those universities. But a great group of people. It was really fun meeting them. Some other things, uh, you know I took part in the tour of City Park with the City parks on the 8th of August. That was fun to do. Juli Seydell-Johnson's very proud about what the Parks Department's doing. Uh....uh, I had an opportunity to attend, uh, the first of two scheduled candidate forums yesterday afternoon, and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of August 21,2018. Page 82 there may be more in the works that I don't know about, but...this one was held at The Mill. It was an innovative,uh, approach to doing a forum, interesting to see. The next one's gonna, is sponsored by the League of Women Voters and will take place here in this room, in City Hall, on Wednesday, August the 29th, from 7:00 to 8:30 P.M. Hmm....a Monarch festival that is not a candidate forum, the Monarch festival is going to be held at Trueblood Park on Sunday, August the 26th, from 1:00 to 3:00 P.M. What else? Let's see....Susan, Rockne, and I are going to be participating in a Council Economic Development Committee meeting from 11:00 to noon here in this room on Tuesday the 28th of August, as far as I know anyhow (several talking and laughing) And Geoff and I are going to be meeting with the Mayor of Cedar Rapids, Mayor Hart, and City Manager, assuming that's still on. Fruin: It's not on. They canceled (both talking) Throgmorton: I had a feeling maybe it was going to disappear. That's all right. Drop that one. (mumbled) disappeared. Uh, let's see, also I...um, I was in Helsinki last week so tomorrow I'm driving to Grand Rapids, Michigan, to participate in the Mayor's Innovation Project for its annual meeting. I think I told y'all about this, uh, a few months ago and, you now,uh, said there was also the opportunity for you to go if you could. But, uh, I'm gonna drive up there in a tiny little car, good grief! I rented a car today, it's really small. That's it for me! 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