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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018-11-20 Transcription Page 1 1. Call to Order Throgmorton: Good evening, friends. Welcome to your City Hall. It's cold out there but I have bad news to tell you—winter is coming! (laughter) So, yeah, there's that. But on a different note,before we proceed I want to take a minute to offer former Mayor Darrel Courtney,who died several days ago. Born in 1949, Darrel graduated from the University of Iowa in 1972 with a degree in Business Administration. Degree in hand,he began a 49-year career in business, especially as a financial adviser and became a prominent leader,uh, of the local business community. He kept very active outside the workplace too, by committing time and energy to organizations such as the Jaycees, Eagles....Eagles Lodge,the Coralville Food Pantry, and First Christian Church. Many others too. For many years, Darrel also played a very significant role in local government. He served on our Planning and Zoning Commission. He served on this City Council for two terms, from 1985 to 1993, and he served as Mayor of Iowa City from 1992 through 1993. While Mayor, Darrel had, I don't know, the opportunity to oversee relief efforts during the great flood of 1993. I don't know if y'all were here then, but it was a pretty significant flood event for our city. On a personal note, I can say I served on the Council for two months, at the end of 1993, with Darrel, and I can recall engaging in really stimulating conversations with him about what ultimately became the drinking water plant that's just north of town and provides really good drinking water for us. I also ran into him just a few weeks ago and enjoyed listening to him ask questions and talk about what he was doing. I had no idea whatsoever that he was very ill and was shocked to learn that he died. So his presence will be missed, but his impact on our community will endure for years to come. Our thoughts go with Darrel's wife, Cynthia, and their two sons, Brandon and Nathan. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 2 2. Student Leadership Awards—Horace Mann Elementary Throgmorton: Student Leadership Awards, for two terrific students from Horace Mann Elementary, including my neighbor Eleanor Decker, and Tommy June Simmons. So, could y'all come up? Okay, I said that(no sound, mic off, several talking) Hello? So I said that Eleanor Decker is my neighbor. That's literally true, but I had no hand whatsoever in being,uh, you know (laughter) the award to her. So, what we're gonna do, young ladies, is.....I'm gonna ask you to read your speeches and then I will read the awards for you. You can look at me if you want to, that's okay (laughter) uh, yeah, so then I'll read the award that is identical for the two of you, except it has your name on your award and your name on your award. Okay? So, let's start with you, Eleanor. Can you read your speech please? Simmons: Um, my name is Tommy June Simmons, I'm....(laughter) Throgmorton: That's a really embarrassing. After I talked to ya out here and, uh, I mis- remembered your names. Anyhow. Tommy! Simmons: My name is Tommy June Simmons. I'm a sixth grader at Horace Mann. Thank you for this opportunity to be here, and to the teachers and staff at Horace Mann for supporting me through the years. Special thanks to Fallon for teaching me kindness in pre-school by scratching my back at nap time. To Miss Cabrera for teaching me about diversity. To Miss Ostegaard for teaching me how to be caring to nature and people. A shout-out to Miss Steigelmeyer for bringing people together through music. To Mr. Brown for helping me persevere through pacer tests. To Miss Nelson for teaching me to be a responsible,respectful, and caring Mann Mustang, and to Miss Prybil for helping kids become leaders in student council. I'll never forget my fifth grade teacher, Mr. Kemp, for teaching me about the civil war and encouraging me to use my voice in peaceful protests against gun violence. Thank you to Miss Robinson for modeling the importance of working hard every day. Each of these wonderful people, along with my family and friends, help me become the person I am now. I'm involved in student council, safety patrol,book scouts, and I play piano. Thank you again for this opportunity. (applause) Throgmorton: Miss....Miss Steigelmeyer, I remember her. Miss Nelson, I know her very well. Mayor Kemp, he's the Mayor of Hills, Iowa. Yeah. Really fun! Okay! Now it's your turn. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 3 Decker: Hello everyone, my name is Eleanor Decker and I'm a sixth grade student in Miss Dallman's class at Horace Mann Elementary. I feel a great sense of privilege at being selected to receive this award. I hope you can all agree that I'm a helpful and dedicated student who always tries her best. I am a member of the student council, bringing fresh, new ideas to my fellow students. I'm also a member of book scouts, a program started by our librarian to help motivate readers school- wide. I'm a member of the design committee, creating inspiring and colorful displays that encourage reading. I hope we can all agree that I'm a qualified student to receive this award. It's been a humbling and meaningful experience. Thank you. (applause) Throgmorton: Very nicely done! Okay....so I'm gonna read Eleanor's, uh, first but the text is identical. So (reads Student Leadership Award) (unable to hear, away from mic) All right(applause) And, Tommy,here is yours, exactly the same, says....except it says Tommy John Simmons. Is it Simmons or Simons? Simmons. Okay. Congratulations! (applause) All right. Sorry, Rob, for my mistake, but uh, so, uh, and I know there's at least one proud parent right there (laughs) and a few others (laughs) and over here I know there's some proud parents as well, so brilliantly done. Keep up the great work at Horace Mann, and wherever you go after that! All right. (applause) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 4 3. Proclamations 3.a. UNESCO City of Literature Day Throgmorton: I've asked Rockne Cole to read this proclamation because Rockne is a member of the City of Literature's board of directors. Rockne! Cole: Thank you, Jim! (reads proclamation) John! (applause) Throgmorton: You gonna say a few words, John? Kenyon: Sure! Throgmorton: All right! I'd be shocked if you didn't! (laughter) Kenyon: (mumbled) give me a live mic! (laughter) Well thank you very much, uh, to the Council and to, uh, City staff for helping make this possible. Um, it's...really hard to believe that it's been 10 years, um, but that said, I....a lot of times when I'm asked about our designation tell people that Iowa City was always a City of Literature. It just took UNESCO a while to figure out, to give us that title. Uh, we have such a rich and vibrant literary culture here in Iowa City, and our organization, while a lot of folks think of us as being the City of Literature, we simply represent and manage that designation on behalf of you folks and the City. Uh, everyone in the community should feel like they are a part of the life of the City of Literature and hopefully,uh, take part in all of those cultural endeavors and all that we have here in that rich literary tradition. So,with 10 years under our belt, I feel we've done some amazing things have....have grown our events that we run and have seen many other organizations start and continue to grow, uh, taking advantage of this and leveraging that designation, and I look forward to what we're able to do with all of you and everyone watching tonight, uh, over the next 10 years. So thank you again and, um....happy anniversary! (applause) Throgmorton: For anybody who's watching, plus those of you in the audience, I'd just like to say John Kenyon does a superb job as Director of the City of Literature. I've observed him both as a member of the board of directors, and then as Mayor.... involved in various activities with John. Keep it up, John, you're doin' a great job! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 5 Beginning of Consent Calendar(Items 4-8) Consider adoption of the Consent Calendar as presented or amended Throgmorton: Could I,uh, have a motion to consider adoption of the Consent Calendar as presented or amended, which means minus Item 8j, which will be deferred. Salih: So moved. Mims: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Mims. Discussion? Would anybody like to address any of these items, like I think maybe somebody here came to be able to say somethin' about Item 8d, but also Item 8j. So if you came for that reason, please feel free to come up. Yes, ma'am! Good evening! 8.d. Lori Kendrick: Iowa City Deer Management Kendrick: Hi, I'm Lori Kendrick and um, I'm here representing the Iowa City Deer Friends. We're a group within that group, dedicated and, uh, local individuals who have no invested interest but to keep the wildlife free and protected,while living in close proximity with human establishments. Um, we have a....sent a lengthy letter, uh, this past week detailing our research and findings regarding the methods of controlling deer populations and through our research, we're realizing that, uh, there's overwhelming evidence that the best path forward is to explore non-lethal means of control. In particular we're interested in, um, doing more exploration with the sterilization of members of the Iowa City herd. Non-lethal methods are also preferred, urn, course of action for the over 500 concerned citizens that signed the online petition that we submitted previously. We're able and willing to coordinate the efforts towards sterilization project, as well as public education campaigns, and we would really like to work as an ad hoc committee that might advise the Council on this topic, and we earnestly hope that, uh, we hear communication back from some of you. Thank you. Throgmorton: Thank you, Lori. Anyone else? 8.j. Establishment of parking prohibition on Wales Street Establishment of "No Parking Any Time" parking prohibition on the east side of Wales Street This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 6 Berges: Good evening, I'm George Bergus and I live on Wales Street, and imagine some of you don't know where it is. It's, uh, one block long, comes from Court to Friendship, and uh, last month we received a letter saying that the,uh, City wanted to have only parking on one side of our street. Um, we have a narrow street and certainly undersa...standable. Um, we do have a problem. Um, several years ago, actually probably a decade ago, we got a letter from the City saying that we needed to park more carefully and we parked more carefully. The trouble is people,uh, were parking in such a way that City utility trucks and things like that couldn't get through, but we paid attention, um, but....there's been a lot of turnover in our neighborhood and newer people don't realize that they need to be more careful. The other thing that, uh, occurs on Wales Street,because between Court and Seventh and Friendship, lot of places where there is no parking, people enjoy our street for....for parking. Urn, not only during the day or at night, but on a vacation. They'll leave their truck their, their pickup truck, their trailer,urn, and it would seem that,um, the problem which the City has identified of the...our street being really congested, doesn't have to, uh, be settled by one-side parking, but just reminder that we need to be more careful and also better surveillance of; uh, of trucks and trailers that are left there, uh, for more than 48 hours. Thank you! Throgmorton: Thank you, George. I would like you to know that we deferred action on Item 8j, which means the topic you just discussed and during our work session we decided to instruct the City Manager and staff to do pretty much what you have asked us to do, uh, but we'll see how well it goes. Bergus: Absolutely. Throgmorton: Yeah. Bergus: Thank you. Throgmorton: Yep! Anyone else? Okay, seeing no one else we'll turn to Item 9, Community Comment. Mims: (mumbled) need to vote? (several talking) 8.c. Mary Gravitt: traffic light at Washington and Linn Salih: ....but I have....during the discussion I was just trying to give the chance for the public. I forget to mention Item 8c, Mary Gravitt traffic light at Washington and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 7 Linn. I don't see like staff response on that and I don't know I just....do you...(mumbled) Fruin: Uh,we considered a traffic light at Washington and Linn during the, uh, streetscape project on Washington Street and the Council had some discussions on that and ultimately decided not to....not to put the street signals in there. Salih: Yeah, but I thinks, you know, like people start saying there is many accidents, I don't know though how many accidents and I don't know like one of them, you know, I don't know anything about it, but if she's saying like there is many accident has been happening there, I really would love to see the data, if there is an accident there, how many and if we really would like....we should consider... we should consider it because the safety of the people is a priority and I don't know if I.....(unable to understand) I don't know but you know since people are sending letters saying that this is serious, we have to look into it again. If you can provide us with the data about accidents, yeah. Fruin: Sure. Teague: I think Mary did state there have been several near accidents. Taylor: Near accidents, yeah. Salih: Uh huh. Throgmorton: Okay, anything else? Salih: And it also say, talk about the Senior Center and I guess the other people, we need to look into that too. Yeah. Throgmorton: Okay,hearing nothing else, uh, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 8 9. Community Comment (items not on the agenda) Throgmorton: This is, uh, the moment when anyone who would like to address any topic that is not on the formal meeting agenda can come up and speak. Please,when you do come up,please state your name and....let us know what's on your mind, and please don't....do not take more than five minutes. I'll keep track of that. Good evenin', Rick! Webber: Hi. My name is Rick Webber. I'm here to represent the Senior Citizens,uh, Commission. I'm, uh, instructed to inform you that we are watching you so you can watch us. And that's about it! (laughter) Thank you much. Throgmorton: Good enough! Anyone else? Good evening, Brandon! Ross: Brandon Ross. (noises on mic) All right, Thanksgiving,happy Thanksgiving to all Council Members and, uh, Mr. Teague, your first Council session. Nice to see you, and I was thinking about what is Thanksgiving for and I'd like to think that we....we would include, maybe even put (mumbled) that basically hospitality, you know. Several hundred years ago the Native Americans were very hospitable to these very strange people....came across the ocean and, uh, we think about that moment. So in the thought about that moment, I just would like to pass this out to you guys. (starts singing 'This Land is Your Land') (applause) Throgmorton: Thanks, Brandon (applause continues) Would anyone else like to sing? (laughter) Or say something to us? Yes, ma'am! Strandel: That's kinda hard to follow up with (laughter) Throgmorton: Brandon had it goin' there! Strandel: Yeah! (laughs) So my name is Kathryn Strandell. Um, I'm actually....I do not live here in Iowa City,unfortunately(laughs) um, but I am a new transplant. I live in Iowa City, um, and I volunteer for the Brain Injury Alliance of Iowa. Urn, and I do facilitate a support group, uh, here in Iowa City. Um, we meet twice a month. Um, we do one just for general support and also one for general recreation for, um, survivors and caregivers of;urn, those who have survived, um, traumatic brain injury, and at our last meeting, um, which was last Monday, urn, an issue came to my attention that I thought that I would want to address this Council, and it has to do with accessibility of parking garages. Um, now my understanding is that there are enough,um, parking spaces that is ADA-compliant This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 9 and that is not my concern. Um, however, urn, evidently what's going on is the automatic counters, once, um, all the parking spaces are full, um, they do not count the handicap, um, parking spots at all and urn, several of my members, urn, have commented to me that in the past,um, they could clearly see that there were available parking, um, but they were unable to get past the gate,urn,because the automatic counters don't count the, uh, handicap accessible,um, spots, urn, so they were unable to utilize those spots and to engage in the community activities that they desire. Um, so....I was just,um, hoping I could ask, um,just some clarifications,because I do want to advocate for, urn, the members that I support. Urn, could you give me a name of whoever you guys subcontract with for your, urn,parking garages or what are the steps that I can take to advocate for change for that? Fruin: Yeah, if you wanna give your contact information to Simon here, we'll follow up with ya and.....work with ya on that. Strandel: Okay. Thank you! Throgmorton: Thank you, Kathryn. Anyone else? Seeing no one else we'll turn to Item 10, which is Planning and Zoning Matters. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 10 10. Planning and Zoning Matters - If a majority of the Council is inclined not to concur with the Planning and Zoning Commission recommendation a consult with the Planning and Zoning Commission should be offered before the vote on items 10a, 10b and 10c. 10.a.Behavioral Health Urgent Care Center Rezoning- Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 5.82 acres of property located at 1914 S. Gilbert Street, 1805 Waterfront Drive, 260,306, &346 Southgate Avenue, from Intensive Commercial(CIi) to Neighborhood Public(P-1). (REZ18- 00018) 1. Public Hearing(Continued from 10/16 and 11/6 meetings) Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Good evening, Danielle! Sitzman: Good evening, Mayor. Danielle Sitzman, Development Services Coordinator, NDS. (clears throat) As you've stated, this is a request for rezoning of property generally located on the northwest corner of Southgate Avenue and the Crandic rail line between south Gilbert Street and Waterfront, uh, HyVee Store, south of Highway 6. The property is currently privately held and as I'm sure you are aware that it is under a purchase agreement for Johnson County for development. Urn, the property is currently zoned at Intensive Commercial District, which, urn, is typically intended for the provision of commercial uses that require or are characterized by outdoor display and storage, repair, or...and sales of large equipment or vehicles or commercial operations conducted in buildings not completely enclosed. The proposed rezoning is to a Neighborhood Public zone, which is a zone district applied to properties owned by either the City, the County, or the Iowa City Community School District. The rezoning, as I said, is requested to allow for the establishment of a new Behavioral Health Urgent Care Center, which is intended to treat patients experiencing behavioral health crises and connect them with necessary services. Uh, the center will provide crisis observation and stabilization, substance abuse treatment, and act as a low barrier winter shelter. The applicant is here tonight, so I'll leave the description of the services to him, if you should have questions. Urn, I'll just move on to the items regarding the rezoning. Principally we look at the intent of the comprehensive plan when we investigate or make comment on rezoning applications. In this case the comprehensive plan and the future land use map there identifies the area as appropriate for commercial. More specifically the South District comprehensive plan designates it also as commercial. Urn, it's important to,uh, identify though that in our comprehensive planning efforts we,it, do identify a zone for public This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 11 and semi-public designations of land uses, but we don't try to anticipate where those would go. Urn, in our future land use map those are generally just showing existing facilities. Urn, we....can see that public uses are needed throughout the community and therefore are generally considered consistent with all use land designations in the comprehensive plan, and we address them as they come up. The proposed use would not, uh....not even considering the ownership of it, the proposed use combines office and institutional uses and aligns with the commercial land use designation generally, uh, which would contemplate a large variety of commercial uses for the property. There are some photos here of the existing site, uh,back when it was green outside. (laughter) And perhaps going to storm onus. It's generally a flat site, urn, open area. Urn, it's surrounded by some development. In this picture you can see an aerial image of the site outlined in red. Um, that is bounded by Southgate, Waterfront Drive, Crandic, and the south Gilbert Street. Urn (clears throat) the site is primarily accessed off of Southgate Avenue. The applicant is also looking to, uh, make a connection across the Crandic line, so that they can access the site from the northeast corner. Um, the site has been platted in the past, in 2007. It has some...had some storm water management facilities already installed on it. Um, the applicant is looking to provide another access, uh, as I said, across the Waterfront Drive, or the Crandic line, to provide them with access even during a flood event, uh, such we....as we had seen in 2008. Just generally speaking, there are transit,uh, bus routes in the general vicinity of the site as well, so it can be accessed, uh....uh,through bus service and there is an existing sidewalk on Southgate Avenue. Um, as I mentioned, uh,the flood, this is in a flood zone. It's....it does have both 100 and 500-year flood plain, uh, designations on it. Because of that and because of the nature of the, um, use of the property, the City, uh, has recommended, or staff and the Planning Commission, are recommending a condition, um, that development, uh, of the site comply with our, uh, flood plain management ordinance as it relates to Class 1 Critical Facilities. These are facilities that by their nature would be difficult, uh, to, uh....uh, if there were a flood, difficult, uh, for them to be evacuated in that case. Urn, we would recommend and have recommended a condition addressing that. The applicant has also acknowledged these requirements and...intends to address those at the time of site plan development, so that the site can be adequately protected in the case of a flood,both from raising certain areas as needed and making sure there's, um, ways to evacuate the site. In investigating the area,um, our sensitive areas ordinance also indicated that there may be the potential for archaeological resources to be on the site. Urn, so there is also a staff recommended, and Planning Commission recommended, condition regarding further investigation of that,to ensure that, uh, if there are any sensitive areas that they are addressed. Um (clears throat) that condition has This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 12 actually since been also addressed by the applicant. They have hired a consulting firm to conduct the required archaeological investigation,report out to the State Archaeol....State Archaeologist who agreed with their conclusions, urn, that no further investigations act...actually recommended based on that, uh, follow up survey. So coming before you tonight,urn, is a recommendation from the Planning Commission for approval of this application rezoning, with two conditions. As I said, first compliance with the requirements for Class 1 Critical Facilities per the City's flood plain management standards and also prior to any site disturbance on the property, uh, receiving that approval from the State Archaeologist. Um, the applicant has held, uh, a good neighbor meeting in early November. They had one person attend and had questions but, urn, no comments that they felt needed to be addressed further. And that will conclude my staff report. Happy to answer any questions, and as I said, the applicant's here tonight. Throgmorton: Thank you, Danel...Danielle. Do you have any questions for Danielle, folks? Thanks! Would anybody else like to address this topic? Good evening! Miller: Good evening, guys. Matt Miller, Project Manager for Johnson County. Urn, I'm happy to answer any additional questions you guys may have about the facilities, um, what kind of services'll be there, anything a....along those lines. Throgmorton: Looks like you're getting off scot-free! Miller: Excellent! Thank you. (laughter) Cole: That's a good sign! Throgmorton: All right! No one else? All right, so I need to ask you, Council Members, if you are inclined to vote in accordance with the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation, which was to approve this rezoning. If not, uh, we would continue the public hearing to allow for a consultation with the Commission. So, are you inclined to support the rezoning? Yeah, okay. I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) 2. Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) [Deferred from 10/16 and 11/6 meetings] Mims: Move first consideration. Taylor: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 13 Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Taylor. Discussion? Go ahead, Susan! Mims: I'm just thrilled to see that we've finally gotten to this point. It took a little longer than we had hoped to get all the signatures, with people spread across the globe, but we're there. I think, uh, you know, staff had some....some concerns and Planning and Zoning and we've got those addressed and as I mentioned earlier in the work session,um, everybody involved with this project, from our Executive Committee to our Steering Committee to all the other peripheral people who.... we're getting a lot of assistance from the University, uh, donation of staff time that's been just absolutely crucial to this project moving forward, and so we're... everybody's really excited to, uh, see some key things done and this is one of them! Taylor: I....after I toured the San Antonio facility some time ago I could see that there was really, truly an urgent need, uh, in this area for a center like that, uh, and I know that it can be of help to, uh, individuals that are in distress. So I'm very much in favor of this and hope it happens as soon as possible! Cole: I....I just wanna give my kudos to everyone that was involved in this particular process. You know in Council we get a lot of feedback about various things that we should be doing, and I think what this process shows is a simple idea that took years of...hundreds of hours of professional time to envision, to find the location, to....to address one basic need, which was prior to this center, and we still don't have this, is that if you had a mental health emergency, there were really only two options for a lot of our law enforcement. Either to take you to jail or to take you to the emergency room, and what this is really going to do is give us that third option that does not involve, to the extent we can,jail or the emergency room, freeing up our critical emergency room resources and at the same time, getting people the help they need in a structured environment where they can thrive. And I think the time that, Susan, that you've put into this over these last several years, a lot of the meeting, um, it's just....it's just an honor to be even just a small part of this, even though we don't really deserve any of the credit, except for Susan, you do. All of you out there that have done the leg work, um, it's just really incredible. It's amazing what....this is huge news. We should...balloons should be coming out of the ceiling. This is huge! Mims: You know, saying that, Rockne, I wanna go back and mention one person who's no longer in the community. And that's Jessica Peckover. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 14 Throgmorton: Sure(several responding) Mims: Jessica was hired by the County as...working on jail alternatives, and trying to find ways to decrease the pop....the jail population. And she....she was absolutely instrumental in getting involved and kind of connecting us with the crisis intervention training for our law enforcement, and Johnson County picked up on that and started sending some of their deputies down to San Antonio for the training. Iowa City PD and other local law enforcement did the same thing. But it also became impera...apparent that that training was only the very first piece of the puzzle. Like you said, Rockne, once you do that crisis intervention you learn to de-escalate, you need some place to take these individuals that are in crisis, other than the jail or the emergency room, assuming they don't have to have those kinds of services and/or confinement. And so....you know, as you mentioned, Pauline, and I was down there as well, the....we, a lot of us went down and saw the facilities in San Antonio, but we would be remiss if we did not publicly say thank you to Jessica because Jessica was really, really the big start of all of this. A lot of us have been involved since then,but she was...she was critical and...and to really helping us bring that crisis intervention training to Iowa City. Um, after we'd been going down there for about two years for training, a lot of us were like we're spending all this money down, you know. I think the trip I went on there was 10 or 15 non-law enforcement people,just to kind of see what was going on. It was like we need to bring this back here and she was instrumental and help us... in helping us get the training started back here. I think we've run five or six trainings since then, and I think now we're down to maybe two a year because I think we've pretty much got Johnson County law enforcement trained and....but we also take people in from outside (both talking) Cole: Will we be the first in the state to do this type of facility? Mims: Well last year the State legislature passed legislation, uh, basically to set up six access centers across the state. Urn, one of the things we've been discussing a lot is that, um, it's important that this facility is designed and to meet....those requirements of the state, um,particularly as that might allow for funding and... and fitting in with various regulations,but we also may very well go above and beyond that. Those are....those are lots of the questions and discussions that we are having, and I....when I say 'we,' what I really should say is the people who are the providers that have the medical expertise, which I sure don't have (laughs) so I stay out of those discussions, because it's very, very complex. Some of those rules and regulations still have not been finalized at the State level, so people from....you know, from Crissy Canganelli at Shelter House to Ron Berg at This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 15 Prelude to representatives from Abbe and Abbe Health and I'll be forgetting some....Matt....but we have a lot of providers, um, who are involved in this and they....and a lot of the County staff, as well, who really understand these mental health rules and regulations, are really working through this. So one,we make sure that it meets the State definition of an access center. We make sure that, you know, we have all the licensing and certifications that are needed. They....they're having to fill....figure out how the billing is gonna be done with multiple providers. Um, during the work session somebody made the comment,maybe it was you,Jim, about all the...the intricacies. There are tons of intricacies that various committees are working on. So this rezoning is one piece,but what we really see is....is kind of two things working in tandem now—the physical facility will be going and at the same time we will be working on the governance structure and all those different kinds of technical aspects of billing and how we provide the are and who does it and how they contract, etc. So, urn, we're excited. I'm glad the Council's supportive and we're....we've got our fingers crossed for maybe 18 months from now opening the doors. (several responding) Taylor: As a side note, when I was in San Antonio they apologized greatly for taking Jessica away from us. (laughter) Throgmorton: They should ofl (laughter) Maz? Bruce? Salih: I just really,uh, I wanna (unable to understand) what Rockne and Susan said and thank you to everyone and thank you, Jessica, also (laughs) and thank you to everyone who involve in this. I just can't wait to tour that building. Teague: I mean it's huge for our community,just the mental health, uh, really bein' taken serious by, um, so many different, um,municipalities all workin' together to make it possible. So thanks to everybody involved! Throgmorton: Yeah, well people have already said most of what's important, uh, I'll just repeat a few words. De-escalation, crisis intervention training.... Salih: Yes! Throgmorton: ....data-driven justice analysis..... Salih: Uh huh. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 16 Throgmorton: the Housing First facility.....reduction in jail over-crowding. A few....just a few years ago the average number of beds at the jail was about 185. Right now it's around 90. And I don't think all...not all the credit for that can go to Jessica's efforts and all these other related efforts, but it's a huge part of it. These efforts are a huge part of it. So that's a dramatic difference and I think it's playing.... these are major changes rippling through our city and rippling through our police department, rippling through the justice system here, all to the better for the people of this city.... Mims: And the County! Throgmorton: And the County, thank you, uh, and I couldn't be prouder. You know we cannot claim all the credit, we cannot claim most of the credit, we can't do any of that, but we're playin' our role and couldn't be prouder of everybody on this Council, staff, of course Jessica, and everybody else involved. Mims: And we'll be making a significant financial contribution to the building as well. Throgmorton: Yeah. Any other comment? If not, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. Could I have a motion to accept correspondence please? Salih: Move. Mims: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Mims. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 17 10.b.Rezoning at 4643 Herbert Hoover Highway- Ordinance conditionally rezoning approximately 5.49 acres of property located at 4643 Herbert Hoover Highway, from Interim Development Multi-Family Residential (ID- RM) to Medium Density Multi-Family Residential(RM-20) and Low Density MultiFamily Residential (RM-12) . (REZ18-00020) 1. Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Danielle again! Sitzman: Thank you, Mayor. Danielle Sitzman,NDS. Urn, this is a rezoning tonight for the property described as 4346 Hoober....Herbert Hoover Highway. Um, the applicant in this case is Iowa City Housing Group LLC. The rezoning is from, uh, an Interim zoning district designation, assigned at the time of....the property was annexed into the City in 2017, to a combination of Multi-Family/Residential districts to allow for development of an affordable housing community. Urn, this project, at least the first phase of this project, has already received State,uh, low, uh, income housing tax credits or LIHTC from the Iowa Finance Authority. Additionally it has funding from the Housing Trust Fund and from the City of Iowa City. Urn, the property on this, uh, exhibit is that outlined in white. Urn, the....property has two current interim zoning districts assigned to it. Urn, Interim zoning is applied, uh, at annexation, as I said. Really just as a placeholder to allow for some,um.....limited,uh, use of the property until, urn, it can be fully serviced with City services. Urn, this, uh,rezoning contemplates,um, that City services are...will be....will be able to be provided to the property. Urn, Public Works has worked with us to evaluate those. Urn, they've asked for some studies regarding water pressure,but otherwise the, urn, property is, uh, able to be, uh, converted to City services...through redevelopment. Urn, this shows the various, uh, rezoning districts requested and essentially the phases of the project. In red, uh, and green are the two phases that are subject to the rezoning tonight. Um, the first phase, phase A, is approximately three acres, uh, shown in the red. The second phase, phase B, is in green and is approximately, uh, two additional acres. Phase A would be rezoned through this action to RM-12. Phase B to RM-20. Both of those districts allow for, um,both single-family and multi-fa...family development at different densities. The intention, as I said, is for redevelopment of a multi-family, uh, community on these properties. In the future the applicant has in...indicated they may wish to rezone the darker, or the blue section here in a future action,but as I said that is not part of the request tonight. The applicant is here tonight and they will present some information about their....the spec....the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 18 specifics of their development in....and can answer questions for you about the mix of units. Since it is a LIHTC project, urn, they have gone through that process and they do have some requirements that that program, uh, requires of them. They have conducted their good neighbor meeting. Urn, again,uh, a little bit of overview of the project,just the various phases. Urn.....and I will get to that a little bit more as we look at the plan. Uh, again, since it's a rezoning we do, uh, an analysis of the comprehens....comprehensive plan intentions for this property. Urn, on our....in our future land use map of the comprehensive plan is identified,uh, for residential development. Urn, the rezoning requested would exceed the dwelling units called for in the comprehensive plan. However, our comprehensive plan allows for some flexibility and also calls for development of small....smaller lots to conserve land and allow for more affordable housing, as well as providing a mix of housing types to provide options for households of all types and income levels. Additionally the Northeast District plan encourages housing diversity and a mixture of single-family residential along with townhomes and small apartments. Urn, the Northeast District plan, urn, indicates that the,uh, apartment buildings adjacent to neighborhood commercial areas and at intersections of artor...arterial and collector streets are particularly, uh....urn, allowed or encouraged. Staff does find that the proposed rezoning is consistent with the comprehensive planning,uh, intent. Due to the location of the project near Olde Towne Village, which is immediately to the west of this property, which is a commercial area, uh, also is because it's....as, uh, it's located along Herbert Hoover Highway, which is considered an arterial street, urn, therefore a mixture of housing types, including multi-family, is appropriate we feel in this neighborhood. Additionally development of a variety of....of a variety of housing types as pro...proposed addresses the goals, uh, of the comprehensive plan. Um, there are some photos here of the nature of the property currently, uh, as you view it from different angles,primarily along Herbert Hoover. As part of the rezoning the applicant has provided a concept plan for phase A and B. Urn, it's important to remember this is only a preliminary concept and the details would need to be refined as part of a site plan, uh, approval process,which would follow after rezoning. Um, again, the area, urn....in.....they're not color-coded here so I'll use my pointer for you. The area...phase A is this, uh, section here. This is a the slightly larger lot which would be closer to three acres. Phase B is essentially close....the, to the east. This is close to two acres. Urn, between them would be a right-of-way dedication for a future public street, with the intention that as development happens that this would be making a connection to the existing street network. Urn, it would primarily....the site would primarily be access off of Herbert Hoover Highway, uh, through that north/south road. Urn, as I said, the road would eventually connect. Urn,maintenance of the north/south road would This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 19 be the property owner's responsibility until the completion of, uh,the second phase, phase B. When it's completed the road would be dedicated to the City and at that time the City would take over maintenance. Urn, staff has recommended and Planning Commission has recommended a condition, uh, memor...uh, memorializing that arrangement. Um....staff does also recommend the general conformance with this concept plan as, uh, development would proceed to the site planning stage. Um, as I mentioned, Herbert Hoover is an arterial street. We've done an analysi of....analysis of the, uh, carrying capacity of that street. There's capacity for additional traffic as it's designed. Currently it is not a City standard street. It does not have curb and gutter. Urn, the....this development would be required to make a contribution,uh, to the future improvement of that street. There is a sidewalk along the street currently, uh, fu....functions a a side path for bicycles. Um, because it's a arterial street there is a setback requirement of 40- feet for the buildings along that, um, road. Um, in addition to that requirement, uh, there is also the recommended condition detailing additional landscaping to ensure that noise and wind, uh, are buffered for the residents of the future community here. Um, that landscaping plan is intended to be, uh, developed in consultation with the City Arborist as to make sure we identify the appropriate tree species and planting details at site plan. Um, this property does have, uh, access to an Eastside Express bus line with a bus stop approximately half a mile away from it. Urn, and then as I said, the Northeast Plan calls for increasing neighborhood opportunities for accessing open space by incorporating, uh, pa... uh, parks. Um, in this case there likely be a ded...uh, fee in lieu dedication for the open space requirement, which would be approximately a third of an acre, uh, requirement. The applicant did provide also concept elevations of the project. Again these are only as in concept. Urn, and as I said they have some other examples of their other projects that they have already developed. They provided this concept, uh, for the two multi-unit buildings for the first phase A and B. Urn, they....as they would be likely to be multi-family buildings they would be subject to the City's multi-family site development standards outlined in our zoning code, and those would be evaluated at the time of site plan development. Uh, so coming before you tonight is the recommendation from the Planning Commission for approval of this application with three conditions. Uh, first, urn.....regarding the north/south street, uh, memorializing the requirement that it shall be built to City standards and dedicated to the City as a public improvement, in accordance with a subdividers agreement in a form acceptable to the City Attorney. The second condition regard....is regarding, uh, a detailed landscaping plan to be approved by the City Arborist to ensure a landscaped area that buffers noise and wind from the proposed housing community is at the time of platting. And third, that no building sh...permit shall be issued for the subject property until the City This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 20 Council approves a final plat that conforms to the proposed zoning boundaries and generally conforms to the street layout on the concept plan. Urn, I think that concludes my presentation to you tonight and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Cole: With the current boundaries what is the school district for elementary? Sitzman: Oh that's a good question. I'm not sure I know that. Cole: Lemme maybe? Fruin: I...I would guess you're gonna be Hoover if the....if the redistricting continues the way it appears to be. Cole: Okay. Sitzman: If the....I should have mentioned,the concept is for multi-family on, uh....on phase A, um, if the second phase B would (mumbled) proceed after that, it would be constrained by our affordable housing,um,model so that, uh, it would not be eligible. They have an option that they are still kind of exploring for that site where it might be senior housing instead. So, slightly different concept for B to be determined. Um, they're proceeding primarily with A first. Cole: Okay. Mims: Danielle, I have a question about the....the good neighbor meeting and the water retention, storm water issue. Obviously we've got a property owner to the south who....feels like we've got another development to the north where that....storm water is not....storm water retention, whatever's supposed to happen hasn't been happening very well and is affecting his property and his pond, and he's also concerned about this one. Can you and/or Engineering staff address this, I mean one of the things that they talked about was this road going, this street, going directly towards the south. I realize there's that third....um.....potentially third piece that's sitting there right now, but basically I don't know what the elevation changes are on that road, but it heads directly towards his property with about 300-something feet between the end of that street and the north end of his property. Sitzman: So it's not detailed at this stage,because we're not to that level of...of site planning. Would be the storm water retention that has to happen for the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 21 developed sites as they occur. So there would be a requirement for storm water detention for the....the phase A and phase B for their impervious surfaces. I imagine there would also be, and this is something Engineering would probably have better comment than Ito deal with the storm water that the streets generate. Mims: Uh huh. Sitzman: Urn, eventually in a final build-out condition,the streets would have curb and gutter and...and the facilities as part of them, installed as part of them so simply that the runoff would be accounted for as well for the pavement. I don't know what the interim, uh, solution is there. Engineering I'm sure would know that, but um, there is a significant amount of land between the stubbed street, where it would end with this development, before the subject property to the south. So, urn, I mean the short answer is that we do have storm water detention requirements and with this project would be required to meet all of those standards. Fruin: Maybe we could....we could have Ron or Jason come up and talk about some of the challenges we've had at Churchill Meadows and (both talking) Mims: I would appreciate that. Yeah. Havel: Yeah, um, Jason Havel, City Engineer. One thing I wanted to point out too is, uh, it's important to remember that they're still allowed to pass that storm water from one site to the other. So I mean it's not a matter of trying to keep water from continuing to follow that....that natural route. Um, but they would be required to manage that. Urn, you mentioned Churchill Meadows and there have been some challenges out there with some of the....the sediment and other, urn, stuff that's been leaving one site into another site. Uh, I think that's really more of probably a....a, urn, erosion control and management of the....the stuff that's in place, more so than, uh, a situation where maybe controls....appropriate controls haven't been considered. So I think really in that situation it's a matter of maintaining those. It's continuing to keep an eye on those, and when issues do, uh, start to occur, we need to stay on top of those and make sure that they're bein' addressed as they come up. So, I....I think it's really more of a maintenance issue than it is a, urn, a....a situation where maybe things weren't considered. Throgmorton: Jason, I'd like to follow up on that. A few days ago, or maybe a week ago, Susan and I went out to Olde Towne Village and met with members of the Olde Towne Village neighborhood, and you were there, as was Ben, and we heard them This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 22 express all sorts of, um, complaints basically about, uh....uh, a storm water retention pond and wetlands that just aren't functioning well at all. What I don't know, because I haven't been able to study a topographical map, is whether there's any direct relationship between this site that we're discussing tonight and that particular...uh, storm water detention pond and wetlands, and if so, if there is, whether there...this would add...exacerbate the situation. Havel: Well and I....I can't....speak off hand to that. I'd have to take a look and see if it does flow that direction. I think what we're....maybe to....to try and simplify, what we're trying to do with our storm water management is basically say, we're trying to do what already happens naturally. So we're tryin' to keep that water that falls on impervious surfaces, whether it's streets or roofs or....or whatever it is from basically making the situation worse downstream. So that's part of where the storm water detention comes into play, and I think that's really what we're trying to do is, you know, we may be collecting this water faster or....or, um, there may be more of it that we're detaining, but what we're trying to do is release it at a rate that is, uh, comparable to what happens naturally, and so I think it may head that direction or it may head to the pond to the south,but I think really what we're trying to look at is how do we do that in....in a manner that is consistent with what would happen naturally. Fruin: If I could jump in and maybe from my perspective give you some thoughts on what's going on in that area. So when you think of storm water there's really...I kind of think of it as in two phases. There's the building phase where you have a lot of dirt bein' moved and houses bein' built. You get rain that runs off onto the street and washes away. The....the contractors,the developers, have to have a plan in place to control that. It's called erosion control. You're supposed to contain that so you don't get that runoff that goes down. That doesn't really have much to do with the....the long-term design of the storm water. It's more the short-term construction period. The challenges we've had at Churchill Meadows is with the....the short-term, during construction, erosion control. Urn, we don't think, and I think where there's been citations and there's been some State involvement that the developer's taken all the necessary steps to, um, control the erosion the way we....we hope it should be controlled. It....we really demand that it should be in control. So, urn, the property owner that's concerned in this case has dealt with some of that, and you've seen some pictures in the.....in the submittals of the....of the construction runoff that's coming onto his property. That's more of an enforcement piece on our end. It's not a sign that the design of the subdivision storm water, urn, is...is faulty. Um, so from us that's a....that's more of an enforcement situation that we need to deal with. And...and it'd be the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 23 same case in this, and we need to be very diligent because we know that not only, uh, with Mr. Pacha's property but you mentioned Olde Towne Village. This region of our community is concerned about storm water, so we're gonna have to be extra diligent, both during that construction phase and make sure that the proper erosion control is not only set up. It's usually set up okay. It's whether it's maintained over time okay, and that's where, uh, frankly we fall short sometime because we....we don't have enough, you know, staff frankly to....to be out checking, urn, those on a regular basis. Urn, so we need to do a little bit better there,but...the long-term plan that Jason's referencing on how that storm water is detained and released, that'll come with the site plan and we feel very comfortable that our standards will be....will be adequate and, urn, if executed properly, uh, will not have a negative impact on Mr. Pacha's property. Mims: Thank you (both talking) Throgmorton: We definitely don't wanna create a new problem, or make an existing problem worse, right? Okay,uh, any other questions for.....all the folks (laughs) Teague: I like the idea that it's a....uh, some affordable units that's gonna be there. Um, it is a half a mile from, you know, a transportation route, but, um....maybe in the new plan that can be, or in, you know, be addressed. So..... Salih: Yeah, I do too but I still.....I still want them to do like more,uh, you know, three- bedroom apartment than....even....even if the City can give like some kind of money, and I hope that (unable to understand) What's it called, the....community, the City....Housing Development Committee to talk about that, so we can increase the three-bedroom apartment there for families. Affordable units. Mims: Isn't this LIHTC and that's kinda determined by..... Fruin: Yeah,the....this is a LIHTC project. It, what,uh, I think you're referring to is the, um.....um.....HCDC, the Housing Commission, Housing Community Development Commission, sorry,that's a mouthful (several talking) has...has talked about, and you'll get a.....a.....a reiteration of their earlier recommendation. They would like the City to further subsidize LIHTC. So Danielle had a slide up there that showed our investment in there. I think what they're talking about is the City providing even more money to the developer in this case, so that rents could be further suppressed and with the LIHTC and the, um, the....the project owner is here and could....can, uh,talk to you about, you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 24 know, what that is, but the....the rent levels are dictated in part by the Iowa Finance Authority and that program, and you have, you know, some at 30%, some at 40%, 60%, 80%, market rate. You've seen those breakdowns before, but what the Commission is asking the City Council to consider is to increase your incentive to the developer to further suppress those rents.... Salih: Yes! Fruin: ....above and beyond what IFA requires. Salih: Okay, yeah,that's what I....(unable to understand) working on something like this you mean? Froin: That's their recommendation to you. That was conveyed in a....a handout to you, uh, when(both talking) Uh, it came through with the, urn.....uh, I forget, uh, you had another action item with this recently, where.....where it came through, um, to you and they, at their last meeting they had a discussion that they didn't feel like, uh, it was....properly vetted to you. It was in a late handout because of the riming of their meeting, uh, so they've talked about sending you that same recommendation again (both talking) getting that. Salih: ....looking forward(mumbled) Throgmorton: So I noticed that the Commission wants to see more detailed information on similar applications in the future. Geoff, this is a topic we've discussed before, uh, about, uh,basically some tension between the Council and the staff; or the developer and the staff, or whoever about when....particular kinds of renderings or elevations or whatever are submitted. So we....we need to schedule a work session on that, and I know you and I have talked about doin' that, so we just need to make sure it happens (both talking) Fruin: Yeah, we're workin' on somethin' at a staff level to help frame that discussion. I think it's important that you have a written document that, at least from staff.. not necessarily giving you the answers, but from our perspective how that process should work. Um, I wouldn't.....tension maybe at times but more misaligned expectations on....on what, you know, you should see in a rezoning. Um, they wanted to see some more renderings with this. They wanted to see renderings... I...I, they or individual members wanted to see renderings with the last zoning item that you...you just approved, the Behavioral Access Center. We didn't have This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 25 any concept renderings for that. Urn, but you're right,that's a....discussion for another day that we're workin' to help frame right now. Throgmorton: It seems it focuses mainly on apartments or apartment complexes. So but we'll ....we'll get to that. All right, uh, let's see.....we're still in the public hearing, right? So anyone else want to address this? Yes, sir! Theiland: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council Members. I'm Jamie Theiland, President of, uh, Sand Development, urn, and I did just bring some photos, urn.....(unable to hear person speaking off mic) Okay. Just, cause I know that was one of the questions, kind of what the development could look like, what some of the building materials are. Uin....so this is the....the first phase, as was mentioned before, urn, you know, and it....it,we put, uh, one of the IFA requirements is....is specifically that, you know, 60% of the building be brick, stone, or CMU, uh, and then 40% spent board or aluminum accents. Uh, and that's what we follow, and then just off to the side are some of the amenities that, uh, go with the development. Service parking, outdoor area, community room, and there's a laundry in each unit, and we have on-site management. The second phase as mentioned is in the concept stage,but we are looking at making an affordable housing application for a senior project on the second phase, which is phase, um, B, which was talked about, um, and that would approximately 52 units. Uh, this is some pictures, since they're worth a thousand words, you know(mumbled) thousand words. Just the project we just completed over in, uh, Coralville. Fifty-six units, um, affordable senior, uh,that we just completed, uh, although the affordable units are full, fully occupied. We own and operate a development over in Kings....uh, at Kingston Village in Cedar Rapids, urn, kind of the similar design style we're looking at. And these are a couple projects in Minnesota that we've completed recently. This is actually a two-phase project in Maple Grove, Minnesota. We built, uh, a 48-unit affordable project and the second phase, excuse me, 54 in the first phase and then the second phase was a 48-unit project. Um, here is a property in....in Plymouth, kind of the same, uh, spent board siding, CMU, some brick, some other stone. Then you can see the kind of recreation areas. This is a family project so we kind of have a larger recreation area for...for the residents. Uh, another community in, urn, in White Bear Lake, a 6-unit family project. Uh, once again, uh, this project has underground parking, three stories above grade, so....(mumbled) design concepts, um....and certainly can answer any questions, hopefully,that you may have. (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 26 Throgmorton: I'd like to ask you one. You showed some playground equipment in some of those photographs. Uh, can you be a little more precise about what you have in mind for this particular site, this project? Theiland: We would typically have a, uh, a tot lot, which would be, uh, really recreation equipment for probably children and their age, you know, four to maybe 12. That's typically what we have, cause most of the family housing is usually younger kids. It's not a lot of teenagers at the developments. Usually that age, you know,people are maybe in homes or, you know, larger homes instead of,uh, apartment communities. So that's really what that....that is focused on. There's... sometimes (mumbled) extra....there are exercise equipment, but, you know,monkey bars, urn.....uh, some....some, uh, swing toys, things like that. That's pretty typical, but it is really geared toward younger kids. Uh, in some instances we have put in basketball courts but there's of course challenges with that. Uh, you know people are....what time they'd be playin' in those, so....and then also I should mention there's grills. Uh, we put grills outside. There's usually some type of picnic area, um, benches,things like that, trash areas. So.... Throgmorton: Okay. Thanks! Theiland: Yeah. Throgmorton: Anyone else? I'd like to ask you (both talking) Theiland: Yeah (both talking) Throgmorton: another follow up question. Theiland: You bet! Throgmorton: Uh, this has to do with the possible senior center or senior, uh, housing part of this. Theiland: Yes! Throgmorton: Yeah, so I'm imagining seniors living there. I happen to be a senior. There's a surprise! So it's really good for seniors to walk and it's not very far from, uh, Blackstone Restaurant, etc., there in Olde Towne Village, the commercial area. How easy will it be to walk or if they're confined to a wheelchair, go by This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 27 wheelchair from that site to.....urn, the middle of Olde Towne Village? Maybe even to the healthcare facility in the center of it. Theiland: Yeah, um, I believe there is a....a, if I remember correctly,there's a sidewalk along Herbert Hoover road. We're gonna have a sidewalk on both sides of our street, the public street we're putting in. Uh, and I, you know, to be honest I can't remember exactly how that links into that area. Um.....you know and that...for the third phase where that road's gonna go, we don't know how that's established in there yet,but um, certainly would look at some (mumbled) There also is on our, it would be on the west side of the property, there's a private street that comes in on that side of our building that we have access to also and, you know, could there be a link possibly somewhere through there, I mean that's a possibility (mumbled) site plan. Throgmorton: Okay, fair enough! Theiland: Yeah. Throgmorton: Danielle, do you happen to know if that's....that sidewalk that's on the southern side of Herbert Hoover actually goes all the way to.... Fruin: It does, yes. That was a condition of the Churchill Meadows rezoning. Throgmorton: Okay. Answer is it does (laughs) Okay. Well done! (laughs) Thank you, Jamie. Theiland: Thank you. Throgmorton: Any....did anybody want to ask Jamie any other questions? Teague: I just think havin' a, you know,the senior community in that location is gonna be a little challengin', um, for seniors to, urn, access the greater of the community. Urn....so.....I don't know if there's a, you know, option for more affordable units, um.....but..... Fruin: They'd be senior affordable units. Teague: Even the affordable units that's proposed here? Or you're sayin' the senior housing community would be senior....affordable units. Fruin: Yeah, both phase A and phase B would be LIHTC projects. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 28 Theiland: Yeah,we'd be lookin' at the....the senior would be a mix of 30%,40%, 60% units and then some market units. So it would be affordable senior, and we do find....it is quite a bit, lot of independent seniors, urn, certainly people age in place though. That's certainly an option, so....that's what we're, at least what we're lookin' at so.... Throgmorton: Okay(both talking) Teague: And the multi-family isn't affordable? Theiland: It is. (both talking) Yep, the first phase of the family is affordable. Once again a mix of, uh, 30%, 40%, 60%, and then we have a couple market units. Teague: All right, great. Theiland: Thank you. Throgmorton: Okay. We're still in public hearing. So would anybody else like to address this? Hearing none, again, uh, well...I'm gonna ask you whether you are inclined to support the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation. (several responding) Yeah, well I....I'm definitely seein' one, two, I don't know...did you, three, four. Rockne? Yeah. So there's clearly support for moving ahead on this. Given that, I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Could I have a motion please? 2. Consider an Ordinance (First Consideration) Salih: (several talking) So move. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Cole. Discussion? Thomas: Well I'll start since I seem to be the one with concerns about the project. You know, I'm.....I'm happy to see the project moving forward. I, urn, I'm especially supportive of the first phase, phase A. Uh, I think, you know, as....we're being presented with a concept plan and as a concept plan I think I feel comfortable with the.....the concept as it's being established with respect to the, uh... incorporation of some outdoor usable space,just the basic, um.....layout of the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 29 site, uh, seems to, you know....be acceptable. Um, I would suggest in looking at it that there may be an opportunity to....to move the parking lot, uh, further south to create a little bit more space between the parking lot and the building. It seems like there's some room there on the south side of the parking lot to shift that, um, a little bit....so it's a little but further away from....the parking lot's a little bit further away from the building. Um,the second phase,which is at a higher density, uh, it's.....it's, uh, RM-20,um, you know, so the comp plan had called for two to eight units per acre. Uh, the phase A is around, I think staff had said 14 units per acre I believe. Uh, the....the unit count, depending upon the....the final outcome for phase B would be 25 to 31 units per acre. So it's....it's anywhere from three to four times the,um, what the comp plan had called for. I'm....I'm willing to look at that, um, you know there's....but I do want to understand how that RM-20 is going to be working on the site, and I'm....I'm, that....that site, uh, where phase B would take place has quite a bit of topographic change there. I looked at it on, um.....the, uh, Johnson County GIS and there seemed to be about 25-feet of grade change, and when I look at the site plan it looks like a very flat site,just like phase A. Um, and then there's also the question of usable outdoor open space. It seems to be really pushed out to the setback lines and....and I'm not seeing any accommodation for....uh, you know, that usable open space. Jim mentioned the question of, you know, accessing Olde Towne Village. I think again because there aren't any parks within easy walking distance, uh, and if this were a senior center, it would certainly be nice to have some outdoor spaces where the residents, on-site, could, um, enjoy themselves. So...for now it, you know, it feel....it felt to me that, you know, A is....is good to go. The financing's in place. Um, I....I just have some concerns with B, and also just overall, how... how is that storm water going to be dealt with? Um, we are generating a lot of hard surfaces with the buildings themselves and the parking and the streets, so...I think it would be really helpful to see the project as a whole, um....uh, as we, as it moves forward, rather than, you know, one piece at a time. Throgmorton: Other comments? Cole: I look at this as a question for the long-term strategic goal of moving and providing affordable housing opportunity throughout the community. You know it's easy to talk about that in the abstract, but when we have the opportunity to have two different housing units for people of all (mumbled) all ages and also variety of income levels, maybe not the perfect set of income levels that we would like,but we make real progress on that. I think we gotta seize the opportunity. I ....I see where your concerns are, but as we've talked a lot before, new construction is extremely expensive. And this particular proposal gets it done This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 30 with some City assistance, with some LIHTC assistance, and I think we just sort of need to seize that opportunity and....and celebrate that we have the good private sector come in and meet our affordable housing needs, urn,with minimal cost to the taxpayer. Although we are contributing to this, urn, I think we're really catalyzing development in that area. I think we're also working in tandem with our School District to sort of hard-wire in socioeconomic diversity into the various neighborhoods. Uh, so I'm an enthusiastic supporter of this project as it is, and urn, look forward to seein' it come to fruition. Throgmorton: Others? Salih: Yeah, I second what Rockne said really. I don't want to repeat everything what he said but this is really great. Um, really, uh, you know, very....happy about the piece of affordable housing into it and I just, uh, as I said I'm going to repeat it again, I hope the City will provide more money so the rent for affordable can go a little down and, uh, you know, especially for three-bedrooms,because really when I see the price, and the good thing about it you did not only provide like just 40% in the unit, the rent price, you know, that figure is very important to like seeing it there so we can tell how much is 40% and how much is, uh, you know, the....the 30% and all this. Uh, I really like it and I just thinks you kind of setting the standard (unable to understand)who gonna come and do the same thing (unable to understand) Mims: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I think, again, I think....echo what Rockne said in terms of, you know, diversifying the.....the housing stock,the units, and....and price points, etc., throughout the region. And I think John's point, bring up that whole issue that you mentioned, Jim, is....is having that conversation about.....how much of this detail we're getting that we're talking about at Council level versus how much is already laid out in our design standards that staff is looking at and P&Z is looking at, urn.....so how much do developers have to do before they go to P&Z because we actually have those standards in place, and I'm an advocate that....that we have those standards defined so that as much as we possibly can so that developers know what the requirements are on the front end, and that we're not trying to make those adjustments to....you know, the outside design or the placement of certain spaces, but that it's....that it's already laid out, so they know what they're doing and it's not having to put thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars into changes later on. So I think.....I think that conversation is a very important one that we need to have. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 31 Throgmorton: Other comments? I'll say something brief here. I think John raises some interesting and valuable points, and I could say in....in my own personal ideal world, the whole complex of.....um, Olde Towne Village and the surrounding neighborhoods would be better integrated with one another as a matter of physical design, and....there's a lot of guidance about how to do that, but we're not in that ideal world. So, uh, I see all the virtues of this project,which Rockne and Maz have articulated. So I'm fully supported of....supportive of it. Uh, I think it will make a major contribution to that area and I'm very pleased to be able to support it. No further discussion? Roll call please. Motion carries 6-1. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 32 10.c.Zoning code amendment related to transfer of development rights for historic properties - Ordinance amending Title 14,Zoning Code of the Iowa City Code related to Transfer of Development Rights for certain historic properties. (ZCA18-00003) 1. Public hearing Throgmorton: I'm gonna open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Good evening, Anne. Russett: Good evening, Mayor and Council, Anne Russett with Neighborhood and Development Services. Um, the item before you tonight is a draft ordinance related to the transfer of development rights for historic properties. In terms of the background, the City Council considered a local landmark designation back in May for 410, 412 N. Clinton Street, and that was deferred to January 2019 while staff explored a citywide ordinance for transfer of development rights. On September 4th, uh, City staff received some direction from City Council on how to move forward. Oops, excuse me and, uh, the City Council directed, uh, staff to move forward with the draft ordinance. The draft ordinance that I will present tonight represents staff's recommendation, given the timeline of adoption of an ordinance by January, 2019. This draft ordinance was reviewed by the Historic Preservation Commission on October 7th and by the Planning and Zoning Commission on October 18`h, which recommended adoption by City Council. Here is the timeline for the project and as I mentioned, the deadline for ordinance adoption is January 29th, 2019. This is just a reminder, um, for the....for....for Council and for new Council Members, this is the project, um, that was considered back in May for local landmark designation of the property at 410, 412 N. Clinton Street. I also wanted to provide a brief explanation of the difference between National Register listed landmarks and Iowa City local landmarks and dis....districts, and the main difference is that Iowa City local landmarks and districts are protected, and exterior alterations to these properties are subject to approval,uh, either of the Historic Preservation Commission or City staff. So the idea behind the proposed ordinance is that it would provide an incentive to property owners to locally landmark their properties. This slide here is just a brief kind of example of an explanation of what transfer of development rights is. Um, TDR programs can be very complicated, although the idea is that this would incentivize the protection of historic resources. There has been no market analysis completed for such a program in Iowa City. So at that....at this point, it's unclear whether or not there's a market, um, and staff is uncertain whether the ordinance will be an effective incentive. The idea behind TDR is that property This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 33 owners of future local historic landmarks could sell or transfer the development potential of their property, of the historic resource or the sending site, to a receiving site, which is in areas where the City wants to encourage more development and density. Now I'd like to provide a summary of the draft ordinance, starting with eligible sending sites. The input that staff received from City Council in September was to only include future Iowa City historic landmarks as sending sites. During our conversation with the Historic Preservation Commission, they expressed some concerns if the ordinance only applied to the Iowa City historic landmarks and their concern is that it would deter the creation of Iowa City historic districts. They were also concerned that the five properties locally landmarked this summer would not be eligible....for, um, a transfer incentive. Based on that in put, uh, the draft ordinance identifies, uh, sending sites as those sites being zoned either single-family,multi-family, or commercial. And also that the sending site must either be designated as an Iowa City historic landmark or listed as a contributing structure in an Iowa City historic district,um, after January 1 st, 2018. So we are proposing...that this apply to future landmarks, future districts, and it would include those, uh, five properties that were landmarked this summer. Properties within existing historic districts would not be eligible, and properties within existing and future conservation districts would not be eligible. Staff conducted an analysis of potential receiving areas, and we looked at those properties that were landmarked this summer. Uh,the proposed Downtown Historic District, which was presented to Council at a work session recently, uh,based on a survey that was recently completed by, um (clears throat)AK Consulting, and we also looked at a list of potential landmarks that was created by the Historic Preservation Commission. So based on this analysis, staff determined that the transfer potential, uh, is around 151 dwelling units and 6,460 feet. If other historic landmarks and districts are contemplated in the future, the transfer potential would be greater than....than what we've identified here on this table. Moving on to eligible receiving sites, the input that staff received from City Council is, uh, to look at properties in Riverfront Crossings and sites that allow multi-unit development. The draft ordinance would allow receiving sites if they were zoned Riverfront Crossings, multi-family, or commercial, urn, commercial zones that allow multi-family. The following sites would not be eligible as receiving sites. If you were...if it was an Iowa City historic landmark, any property located within an Iowa City historic or conservation district, and if the property was designed in the National Register of Historic Places. This map is a map of the proposed receiving sites. As you can see from the map, it doesn't include all of the properties within Riverfront Crossings, only those that have been rezoned to Riverfront Crossings or those that allow multi-family development. (mumbled) also identified those potential receiving sites that are This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 34 either vacant or underutilized. And these sites are identified in red on this map. And based on staff's analysis, these sites could accommodate around 2,369 dwelling units, and that is based on the current zoned district, and it doesn't... doesn't include any potential density bonuses that would be allowed through a transfer. Moving on to the transfer of development rights formula. The direction that staff received from City Council is to create a new formula, that, urn, new in that it would not be the same as what's currently....the current formula in the Riverfront Crossings ordinance. And to use other cities formulas as a guide. The draft ordinance outlines two options for transfers. One is a transfer of height and one....and the other is a transfer in density. So you could choose either one or the other, not both. And the ordinance also outlines that transfers may exceed the maximum height or density allowed on the receiving site, with some limitations. One being that height bonuses may not exceed 40-feet above the maximum allowable height in the zone. Also if it's adjacent to an existing single-family, the height bonus may not exceed two....20-feet, or two stories, above that existing single-family house. We did hear at the last, um, Historic Preservation Commission meeting that some commission members were interested in reducing that 20-feet down to 10-feet. Uh, the draft ordinance doesn't identify any restrictions on density. So the transfer formula for the height bonus option would be the difference between the maximum allowable height of the sending site and the existing height of the historic structure. The draft ordinance also outlines that if that different is any....if, um, more than zero feet, and less than 10-feet, the transfer would be 10-feet. This is just a....a, kind of a photo to illustrate how this would work. This is the property at 410 N. Clinton. The maximum height in that zone is 35-feet. The existing height of the property is around 23-feet. So the transfer potential for this property would be around 12-feet, if they were requesting a height bonus transfer. Staff created this map of potential receiving sites to help visualize the heights allowed by the current zoning districts. So it... this map shows the base maximum heights already allowed by the zoning code. A majority of the proposed eligible receiving sites have a maximum of, height of 35-feet. So the ordinance would limit height bonuses to 40-feet above the base zone, which you see in this map. However, if....if it was adjacent to single-family it would be more limited. The other option is a density bonus option and the formula for that is the difference between the maximum number of dwelling units allowed on the sending site and the existing number of dwelling units on the sending site. And that maximum density would be term...be determined at the time of the local landmark designation, based on the base zoning designation. And this is just another, uh, example to illustrate how this could work. This again is 410 N. Clinton Street. This site allows a maximum of(mumbled) excuse me, 24 dwelling units. There's currently 18 dwelling units on the site, so the, uh, you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 35 could have a transfer potential of around six dwelling units. Staff put together a couple of maps to show....uh,the potential receiving site and the maximum density allowed by the current zone. So this shows, this map shows maximum density(mumbled) which is shown in dwelling units per acre already allowed by the current zoned district. And this map shows the range of dwelling units allowed by the current zone district. It's shown in ranges, so the blue, uh, blue areas allow between zero and 40 dwelling units on each site,up to the red areas, which are around 200 dwelling units per acre and again,this is what's allowed by the current zone district and, um, it's not showing any potential increases in density or additional dwelling units. In terms of the process, City Council wanted a similar process, um, to that which exists in Riverfront Crossings, where all transfers would be reviewed and approved by the City Council. So the draft ordinance outlines a similar process. Any transfer request would be reviewed by the staff Design Review Committee and the Committee would submit a recommendation to City Council for their final review and approval. There are some remaining issues and constraints related to this ordinance that I just wanted to highlight. First is related to market potential, which I mentioned at the beginning of the presentation. It's unknown whether or not a demand exists for this program, um, also TDR programs are very complicated and, um....it may be...may make it difficult for some property owners to utilize. Second is certainty, and the Council review and approval process certainly provides some additional oversight and also helps to address some of the concerns that we heard at the Historic Preservation Commission meeting about potential negative impacts on existing neighborhoods, but that....that, um, lack of certainty, it could be an issue for both the development community and the property owner of a potential local historic landmark. Third, the other bonus mechanisms that exist in our code —some of the more effective TDR programs that we've looked at throughout the country provide few or no other alternatives....to achieving additional development potential. So the effectiveness of the...of such a program may...may be reduced by the other bonus provisions that the City currently allows. The proposed ordinance is consistent with our comprehensive plan. There are several goals in our land use element and our historic preservation plan that identify the importance in protecting historic resources and providing incentives ec...... economic incentives to protect those historic resources. And then lastly this is the timeline again. We're here,November 20th,urn, the public hearing and first reading. So there are a few meetings between now and the January 29th deadline for adoption. And, uh, that's all I have. I'll turn it back to the Mayor. Throgmorton: Thank you, Anne. Before I ask other Council Members to pose questions to you, I want to tell you I think you've done an absolutely brilliant job of doing research This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 36 on this, of consulting with the two commissions, and I know it's not just you, other staff are involved, uh, consulting with the other commissions, the two commissions, and presenting this material to us in such a clear way, I mean it's just a brilliant job. Thank you. Uh,that said, uh,maybe you folks have questions you wanna ask Anne before we get into discussion about it. Teague: I guess I have questions about, urn, for a developer, when we're talking about the transfer of development rights, um, what would be the real benefit, I mean....they still have to come to Council and get approved for whatever height bonus. Um, and so I'm....I'm havin' a little trouble because....you know, if you're sellin' those rights, I mean (laughs) you still have to get Council approval, urn, on that. So I'm.....I'm just havin' a little hard time understandin' what would be the benefit for the developer and...and....and it's not like the developer cr...can come with a trump card and say, hey, you know Council just voted me down, you know, here's my TDR. You have to, you know, you have to take it....so help me understand that piece. Russett: Well like I said that the process does lack some certainty, but um....I think it could be an incentive in the right location and the right design, urn, if....if a developer could work with the property owner of a future local landmark. Teague: Okay, but again if the....if they wanted a height bonus, an actual height bonus, that would still have to require the....the Council's approval (both talking) I'm I'm not totally convinced that this would, you know, is like a magic key for a lot of developers, urn, and then you know, and....and then it's settin' up an expectation that if they come and say, you know, um, you know, urn....I wanna use the TDR from this historic, you know, landmark that I went ahead and agreed to, and then Council says no to what they're proposing, then I....I just feel like, you know, what is the real purpose for the developer and what type of, um....you know, ability do they really have to get what they're wanting, um, you know, with this, you know,just having the transfer, um, within their possession. I...I'm havin' a hard time understandin' how it can really, urn, benefit them. Russett: Right, and I think....I think that's what I tried to arc....articulate in the presentation and the staff report is that there's no certainty and there's no guarantee that, uh, anyone is going to get a transfer. Um, we have seen this work in one instance in Riverfront Crossings, and it was a transfer that was approved by City Council. So I think depending on the project, um, it....it could be an incentive and it could work. Urn, but like you said, there's no guarantee. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 37 Teague: And when they take that, you know, transfer, you know, within the community to try to get it, you know, a height bonus or a density or whatever, you know, again there's no guarantee and I think that's the....that's the piece that I wish this could address for a developer. Um, that there was some type of guarantee, um, and again, I don't know that Council would ever want to, urn, you know, guarantee someone would have that ability,uh, to come and say, I wanna go up, you know, orand....and....and you can do this because you've done that. I....you know, I I'm havin' a hard time just seein' the benefit for the developer, um, overall. Fruin: If I can just....you're not alone in that. We've had a lot of discussions at the staff level. We have that same concern. We know with Tate Arms and even with this Clinton, we're working with a developer who owns a lot of properties and is developing a lot of properties. So there's less concern with those, urn, as opposed to properties that....that may not be controlled by someone with such a....a real estate holding in our community. Um, frankly we're....we're concerned and maybe I should....I'm concerned a little bit that we're....we're kinda pushing and we're rushing frankly because of the....the deadline we put on ourselves. Um.... uh, a....a bonus that might become a false commodity, and that's what you're really talkin' about, is something that sounds great but in practice is it really going to mean anything, and I think it could potentially cause a lot of political strife, um, you know, and....uh, it...we....it's reading one of this, but Anne had to flip through those maps really quick. If you take your time to really analyze those maps and you look at where those receiving sites are, and you think about the types of proposals we get in those locations, we get the....you know, in those multi-family locations that are on the periphery of the community, urn, typically get your three-, four-story apartment buildings that are already big, urn,part....uh, sometimes because that's what the zoning allows. Sometimes our sensitive areas ordinance forces them to be bigger. Um, and you think of the....the opposition or some of the....the struggles we have at this table in approving those, it's usually height than density, right? And so now we're adding another layer of height and density onto that and frankly I just.....I'm pretty nervous about how this is....is gonna play out. I think it....I think it could cause, urn, the potential for a lot offor a lot of hand wringing,um,up here at this table, particularly if we get into the, you know, like...an area like the Downtown District, where you've (laughs) got a lot of, you know, in....in one vote, uh, of approving the Downtown District you've got all kinds of units and height bonus that are instantly created with, in my view, little place to go. Throgmorton: Let's see if there are other questions for Anne. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 38 Cole: In terms of the market for these transfer development rights, and along with what Bruce and Geoff were talking about, is...could it create a....a market in which you could freely exchange the rights from person-to-person. So let's say for example the....the developer had an expectation, and presumably what I envision is that there would be some, you know, the Council has to approve the landmark, and at the time they approve the landmark, they have to pretty much, hopefully, I mean there could be a change in Council between the time they approve the landmark and they have the next project,but presumably there's enough trust that the Councilors gonna go up there and say we're going to approve this historic landmark and then when that proposal comes at a later time, hopefully they're gonna carry through on what their promise is. So I guess my concern is a little (mumbled) but assuming that happens, back to our question, urn, is it a....can you transfer....let's say you can't do the project and a developer's frustrated. Can they sell that to someone else? Russett: Yes. Cole: Okay. Russett: Yeah. Cole: So to me I think that that addresses I think your concern—they get frustrated, why wouldn't you want a free moving market that would allow them to move these around, if there was the political opposition on the sensitive,um units. Mims: See....see I look at....my big concern is.....again, when you look at the timing. If your sending site has to be designated....okay. Let's, I think there's two different, two totally different examples. One let's say these individual homes that were designated in 2018, okay? We did five of'em. Homeowners didn't object. Now if we pass something like this, theoretically, any one of them could sell a transfer development right to a developer to use somewhere else, correct? Russett: Yes. Mims: Okay. Assumingly, as I would assume that a developer would be smart enough to buy it conditioned upon the Council approving a receiving site. Okay? But let's take a different example where, you know, as in this case that we're talking about, you've got a developer who owns multiple parcels and.....they aren't necessarily interested, let's say, in preserving a piece of property unless they are guaranteed that they can transfer those development rights. But it seems to me we have a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 39 process in place that is linear in which they have to do the historic designation before they can do the TDR and get the approval to actually transfer it to a receiving site. Is that correct? Russett: Yeah but what....the property would need to be landmarked first. Mims: Right! So....they are considerably at risk, that....if they don't have any personal concern or consideration for that preservation, and are really only doing it to get the TDR,they've got no guarantee that they're getting the TDR. None whatsoever(both talking) Cole: ...sell it to someone else, can't they, if they're not successful? Mims: But somebody....yeah, but then somebody else (both talking) Dilkes: I mean if they're concerned they're not going to get the TDR, they're likely not going (both talking) sell it to somebody else. Cole: Probably depends (both talking) Dilkes: ....marketable. Cole: Okay. Mims: Yeah,the question is....yeah, how mark....yeah, I....okay. You've answered my question. Thank you. Throgmorton: Think your question's about location there. There....they would be concerned about not being able to get, uh, a transfer to a particular receiving site. But if they're interested in getting there or selling the right to someone else that could be used at any of these other receiving sites and.... Mims: True, but all it's gonna take is the City Council turning down one or two or three of these TDR requests and your market for them is gone. Because nobody's gonna dare buy them if they're seeing them get turned down by the Council at ....and I think Geoff has articulated very well that this issue of we already get push-back on increasing heights and densities in certain locations, and if with this we're gonna try and increase heights and densities even more, is this or any future Council, and I don't mean this as any criticism of anybody sitting here, but I'm just saying looking five, 10, 20 years forward, is anybody sitting up here going to This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 40 be willing to kind of keep pushing that envelope in terms of height and density when you have....people in the community pushing back on that. So I....I do really question the marketability of these. Throgmorton: Point taken, uh, let's see if there are any other questions for Anne and it could be there's somebody else in the room that wants to speak (laughs) so let's fmd out. Thomas: Anne, one question I had was this....this whole process, as we've said, has been triggered by 410, 412 Clinton, and Geoff....Geoff actually seemed to suggest that there has been some discussion as to how this TDR, as it's been developed, could apply to 410, 412. Russett: Just....just what we presented in the....presentation,just kind of an example of how a height or a density bonus could be applied using that property. Thomas: Yeah,beyond that though in terms of actually kind of addressing some of the concerns I'm hearing, that there has been....has there been any discussion regarding that particular property and the potential receiving sites? Russett: No. Thomas: Guess not(both talking) Mims: Can I ask another question? (several talking) Dilkes: Let....let me just interrupt though. We....we have communicated with the property owner and the....and their attorney and....and they're well aware that when we're providing information to the Council and have been(both talking) Russett: Yeah,that's true. Dilkes: That information (several talking) available to them (several talking) Yes. Mims: How....Anne, can you tell me, when we say we're not, they can't do both height and density bonus....is there not the potential when you, if a height bonus is granted that you could in fact exceed the density, the base density on that zoning, so in effect they would be getting both height and density bonus? Russett: They could not. They would have to, if they were requesting a height bonus, they would still have to meet the density that's allowed by the base zone district. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 41 Mims: So potentially they could not get the full height bonus that the formula would allow because it would then exceed the density bonus? Russett: I guess that's possible, yeah. Mims: Okay. Thank you! Throgmorton: Thanks, Anne. We might ask ya to come back up, uh, in a few minutes, you know. Hi, Kevin! Boyd: Hello! Uh, I'm Kevin Boyd, the Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission, and uh, you know, we...we come together as a city to share things. We....we come together to protect, share protection, fire, safety, and we come together to, uh, provide services, like water and sewer, infrastructure like streets and parks, and every resident of Iowa City has a....a shared history, whether you're here for...just moved to town today or have been here you're whole life, we as a city have a shared history. And, uh, and some of the buildings in our community, these potential landmarks, reflect that....that shared history and help us tell the story of parts of that history. Um, and as we work to kind of balance preservation and our shared....and our shared history, and the development pressures that exist in some of these places, um, we've listened....we've tried to start listening more and more, I think, to, um, the owners, the stewards of these historic buildings, and they have asked us, and the City broadly, to give them more tools to preserve these historic resources. The proposal before you tonight is one of the....is one of those tools. I hope we as a community consider other tools as well, other incentives, other ideas, listening to folks about how these, um, what the needs are to make sure that these historic resear...resources, um, are preserved and....and utilized. Um...and so I think we have...we may have others to consider as well. I hope we give this one a try, um, because I think we can learn from it and learn about other things that might exist, other tools that might be there, as we work through this as a community. Urn, and so I encourage you to, um, to vote yes tonight to give these, uh, to give this, to give us as a community an additional tool to try to figure out, um, for....give an additional tool to the stewards of these historic resources,um,that reflect our shared history and there's one tonight here. I hope you vote yes! Throgmorton: Thank you, Kevin. (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 42 Kubby: I'm Karen Kubby and I have a couple of questions, and some of it may be that I'm just coming into this kind of late but....when....will the City set up some kind of clearing house so people who want to buy TDRs and people who have them to sell or trade can know who those people are? If there would be some kind of spreadsheet(laughs) or something.... Throgmorton: I think that's right, isn't it, Anne? Just nod your head if it is. Yeah. Kubby: Um, and when someone can get that 40-feet, so if there's a small cottage that may be, you know I don't know what that footprint is on a small cottage, but does that mean that the whole, the transfer,the whole development of a multi-family, uh, apartment building or commercial building gets four feet on their whole,urn, footprint, or is it...just the four....40-feet times the footprint of the small cottage? So I'm a little confused by that, if that could be clarified, and the other thing that I'm not quite understanding, so I'm really glad Kevin is here, is....it seems like how things are written is that this might incentivize individual local mark, uh, landmarks and districts, because then there would be these....these transfers to sell, as long as there's enough place to put them, um, and there was a concern from the Commission that this would be a disincentive, and I'm just not understanding that so I'd love a better explanation on that, and I think the last thing I wanted to comment on is....um....well, maybe there's two last things. Um, one is, maybe doing this at a time....because if...if there is forward motion on, uh, federal or local landmark for the Downtown District or the downtown area, that's on the map, is it really important to look at these two things at the same time because the downtown area, if it's considered a loc....with the local overlay would be huge impact on what the market is for here, and I wouldn't mind a slowdown to really have those two things be at the same time. Um....I'm gonna forget that last thing, oh! Urn, there's incentives in the Economic Development Committee for....uh, increased local public assistance for projects and historic preservation. It's one of those things that can trigger some of those incentives. So I want us to just remember we're looking at a whole set of packages potentially of how our community values historic preservation and how that gets, um, lived out in policy to help developers do new projects. And that's one that wasn't talked about tonight, is a way that's....does that complement or interfere with this? So if you can talk to me about the 40-foot thing, that'd be awesome. Throgmorton: Anne, can you address that immediately or....yeah. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 43 Russett: So, uh, one of the questions was if the sending site is a small cottage, urn, how would that play out if it was transferred to a much larger building. Urn, the way the ordinance is drafted now is that it's based on stories not square feet. So let's say the cottage is 200-square feet,but the new multi-family building is 1,000- square feet, footprint. They would still transfer four stories or whatever whatever the transfer would be. Urn, you also had a question about the...how, urn, the ordinance could potentially disincentivize districts. When staff originally presented this to the Historic Preservation Commission, staff was proposing that the transfer incentive only apply to local historic landmarks, and the HPC was concerned that if we only apply this incentive to landmarks, it would disincentivize the creation of districts. So we revised the ordinance to allow the transfer incentive to be applied to contributing properties in local districts. Throgmorton: Would anybody else like to address this topic? Hi, Ginalie! Swaim: Hello. Throgmorton: Nice to see you again. Swaim: Thank you. Um, I'm Ginalie Swaim and I'm speaking,urn, on behalf of the board of Friends of Historic Preservation, which I've just joined...as the board. Um...one,just a few thoughts, one is that....is....is it possible to extend the January 29th deadline? I remember when we were going through that meeting and I was concerned, others I think might have been too, that we were going to maybe shoot ourselves in the foot by trying to get this done too quickly and that January 29th was, uh....too soon. So, that's one consideration you might consider. Um.... as Kevin said, this is one tool in a toolbox of...of ways to try to save our historic character. It's not the only tool. It's not gonna work for every building. It's for very specific buildings. Urn.....and it worked really well for the Tate Arms (laughs) urn, and we now have that building that's so important to African American history in this town because of the, uh, the transfer of development rights there. Urn.....in terms of marketability, I see your point, Susan. I guess also though.....not everyone even wants to buy a historic building. It is a particular kind of buyer, urn, that's willing to take on a historic building because they see it as an opportunity, and so while it may discourage some buyers, I think it's again you just need the one right buyer for that piece of prop....uh, historic property that might be landmarked. So, urn, again, I....the.....Friends of Historic Preservation really applauds you for taking the initiative with City staff; um, to explore what kinds of financial incentives can make this a better situation for property owners and developers, and for all of us to really, urn, cherish the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 44 historic buildings in the community and know that it's part of our past, but it's also part of our future as economic drivers. So, thank you! Throgmorton: Thanks, Ginalie. Uh, Geoff, I wanna ask you a quick question. I'm guessing that if the developer is willing to extend then I'd....and the City wanted to extend and, you know,both parties agreed, then it would be possible to do that. Just as a factual matter, not as something I'm advocating. Fruin: Sure! Throgmorton: Yeah. Okay. Uh, anyone else want to address this topic? Seeing no one else, uh, I think it would be a mistake to leap into, uh, trying to answer the question about what you think about, a n....agreeing with the Planning and Zoning Commission, before we discuss this a little bit, to kind of get a sense from each other about how you're thinking and then we can pose that question—are you willing to support the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation, and if so, etc. All those kinds of things. That's viable isn't it, Eleanor,to do it that way? Yeah. Okay, so I wanna begin, uh, by saying a few thing. This is an extremely complicated proposal we have in front of us, and it contains....a great deal of uncertainty about how it would play out, uh.....especially with regard to potential effects on a downtown historic preservation district, if in fact one is created. I'm not sayin' one will be, but if one's created, and neighborhoods that would be receiving sites, if....if....Anne put one of those maps back up there. Every one of those receiving sites is a potential flash point for,uh,basically political turmoil, and we should be aware of that, I mean if we choose to move ahead,just....okay. We choose to do that, but....be aware that that's the situation. So, much as I want to preserve the historic structure at 410, 412 N. Clinton, I think it would be a really serious mistake to authorize such a complicated, uncertain, and consequential process without a great deal more vetting. Like, uh, Karen, I guess you were sayin' something about the overlap of concerns havin' to do with historic preservation in the downtown area. Yet we don't really know how this would play out relative to the...the bonuses that you referred to and....whether there's going to be a district or not and....and so on. So I....I think....I think it'd be a mistake, really bad mistake, to move ahead without a great deal more vetting. Maybe we could negotiate, I don't know, a six-month extension with the developer,just to throw out a timeline. I....I don't know if that's viable but just kinda toss it out there. I also think that enabling a transfer of density to the Riverfront Crossings District would be inappropriate, due to the maximum heights and height bonuses already permitted there. I mean there's (laughs) 15 stories, 12 stories, all this stuff, already permitted down there by....with height bonuses. So, gonna transfer more This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 45 density into that area? On a related point though I agree with Kevin, Kevin Boyd, when he urges us to explore other ways of incentivizing historic preservation. Uh, the only one that immediately comes to my mind is, uh...um, reductions in taxes for some defined period of time....for the.....the taxable value of what's being transferred, or something like that. You know, we'd have to figure that out. Maybe there are other tools that could be used.....probably if there, if they were available we would already be using them (laughs) but I don't know. Anyhow, those are my concerns, and I can elaborate if you want to, but I know y'all have things to say too. Cole: I think as....as far as I'm concerned, it's true there's risk in any course that we take, but I think there's risk of inaction as well. Urn, I....I gotta say in terms of looking at this, this is precisely what I think we should be doing. Um, I think the important thing to keep in mind is that we do have our, um, hands on the steering wheel, both as to the grant of the landmark and at that second level in terms of; my understanding, the grant at the receiving site as well. So, I would like to move forward with it, because I think the reality is is that in any historic landmark process, the piece of it that I think is going to drive everything, is this question of the....the land owner having a diminution in their value. I think during one of the processes they talked about, this is my 401(k) and I don't think it's fair if we have a situation where to preserve a historic resource, as much as I love historic preservation, that we ask someone to take a 20%,just throwing that out in the air, a 20% reduction in the value of their property, and so what this allows us to do is eat our cake and have it too. To allow that potential to transfer over,urn, what they loose, and hopefully equal that out as much as we can, and hopefully provide an incentive to get that land owner to (mumbled) seek the landmark. I think the other thing, at least as I see it, is that we will be able to control who we landmark, the districts that we decide to landmark, and I think there we can move on with that as well, and we can also....this isn't something where we can never modify, at least it's my understanding. If there's parts of the, urn, ordinance that aren't working, urn, we can modify that, and um, without getting into other particular zoning matters before us, I think it only underscores the necessity that if we do engage in this process, we cannot make it difficult once having given the transfer development rights, to on the back end make it extremely difficult and a painful process. I think if we do wanna preserve, we need to move on with it. I think to sort of delay, um, I think there's a risk on that end as well, because that economic piece is the flash point, as I see it, for most of these projects. So I'm....I'm actually an enthusiastic yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 46 Thomas: Well I think, uh, Ginalie's suggestion of the extension certainly would be something, uh, that may be helpful in exploring, uh, some....what some of the concerns are, uh, with respect to the...the ordinance as it's been written thus far. Uh, you know we could take that time to probe a little bit more deeply into how ...what the potential impacts of these, uh, transfers would be on the receiving sites, urn, so that we'd have a better understanding of whether, you know, what... what that height, you know, in...in say residential districts should be. Should it be 10? Should it be 20? Urn....and....and really better understand what the impacts will be, uh, which I think we....we have kind of rushed through this. So it does seem that if we can....if we can get, allow more time to....to try to really study more carefully what the impacts will be, and maybe the map of receiving sites changes as a result of that, so that we, you know, we restrict it in some way, um, if necessary. So I, you know, I think even just in the time we've had and it's....it's been pushed pretty hard, there have already been changes. So I'm.... I'm sort of seeing this as being a document that is in progress, working toward, uh, further refinement, um and it....it does seem to be....it, we've already seen with Tate Arms that it has worked, uh, so I'm....I've always felt it seemed like, uh, conceptually(laughs) a good idea, of course you know the devil is in the details, but....uh, I think we've already made progress, um....you know I'm, uh, encouraged by the positive response of Historic Preservation and P&Z, uh, to move forward. Um.....so....so I'm....I'm inclined to support it,uh, while understanding that there are obviously issues that have already been identified looking....as we move forward. Mims: I think Jim hit it on the head. This is incredibly complex and I think a lot of information to us in a short period of time and I wanna commend staff and Historic Preservation and...and P&Z for the, you know, what they've looked at so far. Um, like you said, John, the devil's in the details. And....and that's where I'm.....really concerned with this. I'm...and on one hand I'm concerned with how much time staff is spending on this with all the other things, urn, that we have going, and while....con....conceptually I....I like the direction it's going, I'm really concerned about setting up a.....a process.....that.....doesn't end up working for people and they have false expectations of how it's gonna work. Um, I think while I understand the desire for Council to have the approval, and I.... think that's probably necessary, that also, you know, is such uncertainty for the developers. Urn, and then that timeline. So....it.....I'm.....I'm really struggling with this (laughs) at this point. I....I guess I would be interested, if....if the developer in this case, is willing to, um, look at a deferral. I'd be interested in having a little more time to process this and....and talk with staff and look at those maps. Um....and....and I'd be interested in trying to have some This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 47 conversations with developers directly and kind of get a sense of what they think, because I think that's crucial in how this is or is not going to actually function if we do it. Taylor: Initially I thought that this sounded like a good idea. I was, uh, impressed with how well it worked with the Tate Arms, uh, conversion, and uh, in the interest of; uh, preserving historic landmarks, but the more I'm hearing, I think I've tried to keep track here, I've heard the word `uncertainty' about four or five times now already, and I think there is a degree of uncertainty and Geoff even said, urn, nervous how it will all play out, uh, so those....that concerns me about, uh, how that would happen, and Rockne had said something about we cannot....shouldn't make it difficult for....for the owners and developers, but um, I....I'm thinking they shouldn't feel and....that it's a given, that if they, uh, preserve these landmarks that they're....they're going to get these bonuses, urn, cause I don't think that it's....it's a guarantee of a transfer. So I think there's that degree of uncertainty again. So, um, I would....I.....I also agree that, uh, we should take a little bit more time to....to really look at this (mumbled) think about it. Mims: I think we also have to be,just a quick follow up on that, I mean I think....I think we have to be prepared if the developer says they're not willing to extend that deadline (several responding) that....you know, so be it. So..... Teague: Again I think, uh, havin' tools, you know, for histar...or historic preservation is key. Urn, I think at the beginning of this it actually does do, um, what, um, it would, you know, help to preserve some of the historic preservation, but Rockne said, you know (laughs) we don't wanna make this painful, a painful process for actually usin' the TDR. Since there are no guarantees, and...for me if that....if at the time when the developer, you know, says, yes, I'm, you know, gonna do the historic,um, preservation, and then they also simultaneously say this site we want to make the deal now, that will get the density or the....or the height bonus. That makes sense to me. But...if we're gonna say down the road they come and there is no guarantee and....and especially, you know, on height bonuses and density, that is, I mean that is controversial every time we talk about any of that (laughs) and that's because there's a lot of different people in the community, um, that, you know, have comment, and I get it. It's a....it's a very challengin' thing, so I am not convinced that this would be a good tool. On the....on the back end, when someone comes and say, hey, I did this for you, City Council, now I wanna use it at this project, urn, when peop....when developers are coming and they have their projects, I mean they....they're serious. They want that, and....and it's hard for them to understand why Council makes it so difficult for them to do some of the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 48 things they want with their buildings in Iowa City and so I think this would just add on to the frustration that, urn....it it doesn't need to be there because, urn, if any height bonus has to be,urn, if it's over two stories, you know, urn, approved by Council. So....I don't know. I....I think that this isn't, urn, on the back end, urn, the guarantee's not there and I think it's gonna cause a lot of frustration for developers. Salih: I really think also this is really complicated thing for me and uh, I thinks we need like more time to figure out the impact, and I always like to hear from people, more people,bring more people to hear from them and see what their input is on this. Like, and after that we can come up with...maybe you can adjust this, we can just come....find out a common ground after....before we can move forward on this. Throgmorton: Okay. I....I think I see what we need to do, but we'll find out. I'd like to add.... ask Anne another question. I need some clarity about the....the potential effects of this proposed ordinance on the Downtown District. Whether it's....whether, uh, a historic preservation district is created or not. So let's say no historic preservation district is created. Would the Downtown District,would particular structures in the Downtown District.....be able to send.....be able to transfer density to other locations, and also would the Downtown District be, uh,be eligible as a receiving area as well? Russett: So I think....I heard a couple questions. Urn....if there is a local district adopted in the downtown, it would no longer be eligible as a receiving site. And it would be (both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, okay. I'm sorry (both talking) Russett: ...and it would be eligible. The contributing properties in that local historic district would be eligible as sending sites. Throgmorton: If....if a downtown district....historic district is created. Russett: Yes. Urn.....if a local district is not created in the downtown, the properties that would not be eligible as receiving sites would be the existing local landmarks, and any....any property that's listed in the National Register of Historic Places. Um, I will add to that that, urn.....the downtown is listed on the map as a receiving site. The zoning district in the downtown does not have a maximum height. It does not This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 49 have a maximum density. It being used as a receiving site is probably unlikely. So..... Throgmorton: Okay. Good, that's helpful. All right so.....I think I'm hearing a majority of people saying they would prefer to defer at....at least for two weeks. I mean I'm filling in some blanks here. To give staff time to reach out to, who is this, Joe Clark? Whoever the...the developer is, reach out to the developer,uh, to see if there's interest on the part of the developer, development team, to.....give us more time, like six months. Just, again,just throwing out a....a, urn, a tentative timeframe. Then I guess the next question that such a developer might ask is so what are you gonna do over those next six months? And (both talking) Fruin: ....my question (both talking) Throgmorton: ....that question, right (laughter and several talking) Mims: For one give us a chance to digest this (laughs) a little bit more. (laughs) Throgmorton: Yeah, well I think one of the hardest things to digest is to look at the map that's before us right now and say, okay, how would any one of those locations play out on the ground with the neighbors around it, around them, if one of'em is, uh, identified as a receiving site and they're supposed to get four more stories or somethin', whatever the height or density bonus might be, and....that's why I referred to `em as flash points, cause I....I mean we have to know `em on the ground. We can't just look at a map and say whoopee! There are possible receiving sites. I mean they are and that's a great map (laughs) I like that a lot, but they're....they're really neighborhoods and sites and people live near them and work near them and all that. That's part of the uncertainty it seems to me. Would....can y'all think of other questions that....we would really want staff to be able to answer over the next two weeks (laughs) if we revisit this two weeks from now or over the next several months, if we're able to negotiate an extension? Cole: Well to Bruce's point about the uncertainty of Council, would it be exploring the administrative option, I mean if that's the concern, I mean where a staff person would determine whether they would be able to get the density. Wasn't that one option on the table at some point? Fruin: Correct, yeah. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 50 Teague: I think there, you know, needs to be some type of a guarantee from the beginnin' because then, you know, that becomes objective, if you're (laughs) you know, if you're askin' a staff person to make that decision, as well as it comin' to Council. Again, you know, any time you're talkin' about....I think the Mayor just said it best—there are neighbors that live in these communities and if there's going to be bonuses or higher density, urn, there's just no guarantee. Urn, in the future I think if the guarantee can be at the same time that a deal was made, then...you know, we're not gonna leave the, um, the developer has somethin' that is like guaranteed. Right now it's gonna be down the future, and it's up in the air. I think if; you know, all of these red places were, you know, guaranteed at 50%, if we can say, yes, 50% of these places would be really, really eligible and we guarantee that then I think that would be very...more likely to be supported but that's just red and it's still up in the air. Throgmorton: I wonder if there's a process by which...the sending and receiving can be done simultaneously, I mean...not, I mean at least agreement about what's happening, so that a....uh, the owner of an historic property could come to us and say, I want to preserve this structure on this property, and I've already....contacted so-and-so at, you know, one of these red spaces, and they are agreeable to us transferring density or height to that site. I, I mean something comes to mind. Maybe some...or if the Commission recommends designation of a particular property, that somehow time is provided for the devel....the owner of the property to reach out and see if there are..... Teague: That makes sense to me! Throgmorton: ....are places, and that....then things are done simultaneously. Fruin: Possible(laughter) not likely,but possible(laughter) Yeah. Throgmorton: I know! (laughs) Kevin? (unable to hear speaker in audience) Well, we have not closed the public hearing, so I think it'd be okay for you to come back up. Yeah. Boyd: Uh, I...sharing kind of your concerns and....and sitting and listening and thinking about ways that this may work. I wonder if there's a possibility to do a pilot program of five individual landmarks, uh,that are allowed....that, we can test this out, right? When you....when the applicant comes in and makes an application for the landmark, the property owner has to indicate if they're interested in transferring these development rights. So if somebody just wants to landmark and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 51 is not interested in it,that doesn't count against the five, but perhaps the owner of (clears throat) 410,412 Clinton Street, uh, could be one of the test projects for this. There could be maybe others, uh, to see some interest and to kind of incrementally gauge how this might work as a community instead of just saying we're doing all of this for the whole city, forever. Um, that we take, you know, we designate some number, I'm choosing five just cause it seemed like enough to test, but not too much to....um.....overwhelm. Urn, I just think the staff has put a ton of time and energy and thoughtfulness here, and it seems a shame to let it go without at least maybe trying some incremental testing, um, and that might be something that we could, as a city, get done in advance of the January 29th, um, deadline or whenever the January deadline is. So,just a suggestion as I'm sitting in the audience and having sat through several of these meetings and thought about how this might work, so....take it for what it is. That's my suggestion. Throgmorton: Interesting idea! Thomas: Well that case study, I mean and I know I mentioned before the idea of, uh, and I'm reminded of Opticos, you know, when they did our code review for the Northside,uh, looking at, um, you know, what those codes actually translated to in terms of development potential. Urn, it seems to me the idea of...of taking, and I think 410, 412, we kind of saw what it meant on the....you know, in terms of how much height and density it generated. When I saw that I thought my gosh (laughs) we should be able to pull that off. Didn't seem like that much, um, height or density, whichever was.....whichever role was applied to transfer. Um, now it probably gets more complicated the bigger the TDR, I mean that seemed like a relatively small one but....you know, to.....to try to probe what....what actually, you know, on a case study basis are some examples that we could sort of play....play through it, see what....you know,how....how it generates the density or the....or the building heights that are then transferred....you know, as if we had this thing in place, where they could go, where it would make sense. Uh, and where it couldn't make sense, or what would need to change on the receiving end for it to make sense. Mims: (both talking) Cole: (both talking) Mims: ...concept that Eleanor....I'm trying to.....can we do that, I mean can we....I mean you're talking....here we're talking about an ordinance, talking about a zoning change. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 52 Throgmorton: Yeah. Mims: Is there a way we can do something like that that's....that is like Kevin's saying, it's like a pilot project,where the next five applicants for historic preservation we would try this on? Dilkes: I....I can't as I sit here think of how that's gonna....(both talking) Thomas: I mean I'm even thinking we could do it in the six months, you know,just as a, you know, we could....not that it would be officially a TDR but....play out the scenarios, you know (several talking) Dilkes: Can I mention one other.....I'm sorry (mumbled) Throgmorton: I was just thinking of, uh....if we did pursue this pilot, uh....uh,pilot program alternative, uh, I think that means we'd have to turn down this particular ordinance. You'll have to tell me, but....but we could then just modify this ordinance slightly, as the....as the pilot....to, you know, officially state that that's what it is. So maybe that's legally viable, I don't know. That's what you'd (both talking) Dilkes: This is...this is....this is the (mumbled) conceptual problem I'm having with the pilot is I don't think you can talk about this situation and the incentives it may or may not provide without looking it in the conte....looking at it in the context of what Council can do without any agreement by the property owner. Um, and I wanna make sure particularly that the new Council Members understand that. So, if....if there's a desire to landmark a property, um, if the property owner objects, the only way that Council can make that happen is with a sixth....with six Members of the Council agreeing. With a district, if 20% or more of the people within the district object, it req....it requires that same 6-1 majority. Um, so, and I'm not....I haven't worked out in my own mind how all that plays with the incentive and disincentive, but I....I think....you know, the reason we got to this point is because it appeared that there was going to be, um, a majority to designate this landmark. A 6-1 majority despite the property owner's objection. Urn, I don't know how many times we're gonna get to that point,and I....and I really don't understand how that plays out with a district situation. And I....and I guess I agree with Karen's earlier comment that I'm not, and I keep trying to think about why the incentive for a landmark disincentivize a district designation. I....I can't figure that out in my mind how that works (both talking)particularly This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 53 with the whole, what it takes to make an objection and then what kind of Council majority it takes, etc. Throgmorton: Yeah. Dilkes: So sorry I don't have any answers for you, but I think that(both talking) Throgmorton: uncertainty (both talking) Dilkes: situation (both talking) Throgmorton: We just don't fully understand how this would play out. Cole: So you're talking about the two-week extension, is that where we are, I mean can we call the question and vote on that or....or what? Throgmorton: Well I don't think you need to call a question. We....we could, uh, we could certainly just defer for two weeks and then we wanna be clear about what could possibly, what we could possibly do or staff could possibly do over the next two weeks. Dilkes: I mean I think you really have to investigate that whole issue of adding the district to this mix, because I...I really got concerned when the district was....when we're talking about contributing properties in a district, not just landmarks,but contributing properties in a district, and then the the seemingly....seemingly lack of desirable receiving sites. Froin: I think what....what we could do, if you....if you wanna defer, and even....you could defer, uh, almost indefinitely right now, and bear with me, um, we could talk about a....a short extension, um....with the....with the, uh, Clarks on....on the Clinton Street property. Um, if they're not willing to do that, we could probably come back to you on your work ses....and have some work session time on the 18th to go over this in....in more detail and really focus on the maps, and we can drill into that at a staff level and....maybe give you a sense of that. We could look into the district issue and some other things, and then if the...if an extension is viable, um,maybe you all can....can think about the questions that you have that you'd like us to investigate and just communicate those to me and we can work through 'em with staff and....and come back to ya. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 54 Throgmorton: All that sounds reasonable to me, except the we could possibly defer indefinitely. I don't see how (both talking) Fruin: To a date uncertain, as opposed to settin' it in two weeks and deferring it again or....you know, um.....you could....it doesn't matter(both talking) Dilkes: Well, if we defer it indefinitely then we're gonna have to set the public hearing again and notice the public hearing. So I think we do wanna defer to a date certain and then if we have to defer again we'll (both talking) Fruin: ....just have to defer.... Throgmorton: I wanna suggest we come back to this on the 4th, December the 4th, I mean that gives us two weeks to just kinda let all this sink in and....and get a little more personal clarity about what we think. Maz, I know you wanted to say something. Salih: No, I was trying just to say we can just defer it until, uh, like you come out with something(unable to understand)but she just said no we cannot do that. Mims: Can we get one other thing possibly, and that's with....these receiving sites. I'm...can we get a little clarification (laughs) of the exact location? Some, even just some handwritten notes on these with certain major streets or something. I'm....I'm just havin' a little bit of trouble trying to actually figure out where some of these red sites are. So that....would save me some time. Throgmorton: Yeah. Mims: Thank you. Throgmorton: We're still in public hearing. Karen, did you wanna say something? Kubby: I just wanted to ask a question. In a zoning ordinance is it possible to have a sunset date? Russett: Uh huh. Kubby: So that you could have an ordinance that is for one year and it expires at one year, unless there is further Council action, and you might have some metrics, with or without a sunset, you might have some metr....you know, figure out how do you This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 55 evaluate if this is working. So a sunset may be more possible or doable than a pilot program. It could become the pilot program. Nikes: Yeah, I mean that's....I have a lot of questions about a sunset in this context though when you're talking about, um, interest in land and transferring and...I'd have to think through that. Throgmorton: All right, uh, I wanna see if there are at least four people who would, uh, are, would support deferring this to the 4th of December. Mims: Yes. Throgmorton: Yeah. Okay, could I have a motion to defer please, to the 4th of December. Salih: Move. Teague: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Teague. Uh, this is an all in favor, isn't it? To defer, Eleanor, it's an all in favor kind of thing? Yeah, all in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries, uh, it sounds like 6-1. Okay. Thank you, everybody. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 56 11. Economic Development Communication Plan—Resolution approving and authorizing the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest an Economic Development Communication Plan between the Iowa City Area Development Group and Participating Cities Throgmorton: Could I have a motion please? Mims: So moved. Taylor: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Taylor. Discussion? Fruin: Well there is a long history with this one too (laughter) but I'll spare you the, uh, the negotiations on this. Um, this is actually something that...that, uh,Tom Markus brought up in his....his tenure here, so I give him a lot of credit. Um, it's taken a few years to....to get it to the point where, urn, Coralville,North Liberty, Iowa City, and ICAD are all in agreement with the....the, uh, the plan. I'm very excited to bring this to you. It does, uh, a couple things and I'll tell ya real briefly what it does, and I'm gonna ask Mark Nolte from ICAD to come up and just share kinda with ya, uh, why from his perspective he thinks somethin' like this is important. Um, two things, it talks about active pursuit, um, and so this would prohibit, uh, say Iowa City fro...from, you know, us, our staff, uh, any third party agents from going into Coralville or North Liberty or any participating city and re....actively recruiting their businesses to come locate in Iowa City. Um, the second thing is....is a protocol and you can see the six steps in the, um,the (mumbled) and in the agreement,but how do we handle those situations in which we have a local company who wants to go from one jurisdiction to another, and is requesting financial incentives. So we've....we've been through this before and some of the Council Members have, um, Susan and Jim who have been on the Council the longest have dealt with some of these issues that are very tough. Um, this lays out a....a set of steps and a communication protocol and basically how we....how we handle those types of requests, and I think without goin' through the details of that, I think the end result is something that is going to really strengthen our regional economic development efforts and hopefully put some of the past, urn, struggles that we've had that frankly have not been productive on a regional basis. Uh, they've been really, urn, focused on more what's best for individual cities and...and at the end of the day when you have that approach, it's typically a....a, you end up with deals that don't move the region forward. I think with an agreement like this we can really, uh, focus our economic development This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 57 efforts on, uh, projects that can move the region forward. So I'm happy to answer any detailed questions that you have but, Mark, if you're willin' to come up, and you've sat patiently through some interesting topics, (laughter) and just share your thoughts on this I'd appreciate it. Nolte: Hi, good evening, Mayor and Council Members. Mark Nolte with the Iowa City Area Development Group. Uh, I can't add a lot to what Geoff said but, uh, it does. It's a way to kind of put the past in the past and....and moving forward to have a unified front so that if a....a business or a developer or realtor is trying to play one city off another, we have a unified front that we can say now this is what we're going to communicate, uh, keep everything above board and...and make sure we're....we're working for the best interest of the communities and the business. With the new opportunity zone designation, there will,uh, likely be some companies that will be looking at some of the new prop....some of the properties in Iowa City that are available. So we may have those conversations, uh, with them. So, uh,to Geoff s point, it did start when Tom was here,but I think the only reason it's gotten to this point is that Geoff has been able to build the trust and the relationship with the other two cities to get it to this point. So, it's changed quite a bit from when it first started but I think it's a....it's a great document and I'm very excited that we're at this point, and then next week the other two city councils will take this up on their agendas. Throgmorton: Good deal. Thanks, Mark. Nolte: Thank you. Throgmorton: Good patience! (laughter) Taylor: I was very happy to see this and I....I can't say much more than Mark and Geoff have already said but I just think instead of,uh, turf wars,uh, work....the cities and communities working cooperatively for the benefit of everyone is a very positive thing. It has to be positive. And it's great. I support it. Teague: I love the idea that the cities all came together and really created this, uh, collabora...collaboratively with ICAD, um, so I....awesome job. Yeah! Mims: Yeah, I wanna thank Mark for your involvement in it cause I think that has also been instrumental, and urn, as you said, uh, we started this with Tom, after some....some unfortunate situations, um, but this got started and,like you said, put the past behind us and try and work together and I think Geoff has been This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 58 absolutely instrumental in....in building those relationships, urn, with Coralville and North Liberty. So.....and....and as I think you stressed, both of you have stressed, this is something that will make us stronger as a region and I think that's really positive. Throgmorton: Anyone else? Yeah, so I would like to congratulate you, Geoff, for pursuing this Markus/Fruin plan (laughter) so successfully and diligently. It's, uh, definitely not been easy for you. I also wanna note that I had a very good conversation over lunch with Mayor John Lundell of Coralville and Terry Donahue,Mayor....Terry Donahue from North Liberty, a few weeks ago and this was a topic we discussed, and I was tremendously pleased when Terry made it clear, he said, it's time! So, it was really pleasing to hear that. If Terry's watching, I hope things go well in his forthcoming council meeting. Likewise,uh, with John Lundell and Coralville's council meeting. Any further discussion? Okay, hearing none, uh, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 59 12. Hickory Hifi Park Improvements Project—Phase 1 —Resolution approving project manual and estimate of cost for the construction of the Hickory Hill Park Improvements Project—Phase 1, establishing amount of bid security to accompany each bid, directing City Clerk to post notice to bidders, and fixing time and place for receipt of bids. 1. Public Hearing. Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Hi, Juli. Nice to see ya again! Seydell-Johnson: Start the meeting...here at the end of the meeting (laughter) Urn, I'll keep this very,very brief. You've seen this before, uh,this is Hickory Hill Park, the project we've been trying to do for a while, uh, bridges,tra, uh, bridges, trail improvements, and signage. Uh, we bid it last September. The bids came in about 47% over, urn, as that was extremely high. So what we've done, and this just takes you back through the master plan. This was the full project as you saw it last fall. Urn, we've now broke it down into two phases. Phase 1 on the east side is what we're bidding now, urn, with an estimated cost around 300,000, so it's two bridges, some trail work, and then the, um.....I'm sorry(mumbled) I believe it's two bri....one bridge, I'm sorry. It's one bridge, trail improvements on the east side, and signage. Urn, and then once we have this one, urn,under contract, we will go ahead and bid phase 2. Once we know how much is left, we'll scale back based on that. Urn, at the same time we have a....a lot of REAP grant work happening in the park. Urn, this maps shows the yellow lines in the middle is the work that's been done by the Friends of Hickory Hill largely and some staff, but mostly Friends of Hickory Hill for restoration. The, uh,pink is what is, uh, we just signed contracts for recently to get,uh, some of the tree work done. So they'll be removing some of the trees, um, and then doing some invasive species removal in those wooded areas and then this spring doing stream bank restoration. That will continue in the next year with the REAP grant we just received this fall. So we've got about three major projects all trying to happen out here and...and we hope to get them going and get all of this work done over the next probably 18 months. Throgmorton: Great! Any questions for Juli? Glad to see it! Thank you, Juli. Any dis...uh, anybody else want to address this topic? Seeing no one I'm going to close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) 2. Consider a Resolution This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 60 Mims: Move the resolution. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Thomas: Well it's really nice to, I mean it's unfortunate with the...the bids, uh, that they came in so high. So...this is....kind of the incremental approach (laughs) I guess. See what we can get in the first phase and then plan the second phase accordingly. I think the REAP work, uh, which is not really what we're considering, but seeing that, um, is also very encouraging, cause that's....that's something that has really been....not really on the table in terms of improvements in Hickory Hill and so, you know, the Friends are really limited in what they can do, uh, so it's really, uh, very encouraging to see those funds being applied to the park as well. Throgmorton: Any further discussion? Salih: Nice I guess, uh, when I came to Iowa City the first thing that I notice like different from Alexandria, Virginia, is like kinda parks and playgrounds and that they have, you know, more than Virginia and I said, oh, this is like really when yo go to park it's really nice park and I guess you continue doing that that will be something to keep them. Throgmorton: Good deal. Anyone else? Hearing no further discussion, I'm gonna close the public hearing or have I already done that? Mims: Already done it. Throgmorton: All right, thanks. Yeah (mumbled) what was I doing? Oh, yeah, I see(mumbled) Roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 61 13. City Hall MPOJC Renovation—Resolution approving plans, specifications, form of agreement, and estimate of cost for the construction of the City Hall MPOJC Renovation Project, establishing amount of bid security to accompany each bid, directing City Clerk to post notice to bidders, and fixing time and place for receipt of bids. 1. Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'm gonna open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Fruin: This is a very small, um, remodel project, or refreshening project at the lower level of City Hall, mostly carpet and ceiling tiles, uh, a little bit of a...a modification to create a new conference room, which we could all benefit from in City Hall. Estimated cost is 126,000, uh, with a few alternates that may push it over the limit that requires your approval, which is why we're goin' through this process. Throgmorton: Close observers might be wondering what MPOJC stands for. So it's the Metropolitan Planning Organization of Johnson County, which is housed here in City Hall. Throgmorton: All right,uh, so I opened the public hearing. Anyone else wanna speak to this topic? I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Could I have a motion to approve please? 2. Consider a Resolution Salih: Move. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Salih, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Hearing none,roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 62 14. West Riverbank Stabilization—Resolution approving project manual and estimate of cost for the construction of the West Riverbank Stabilization Project, establishing amount of bid security to accompany each bid, directing City Clerk to post notice to bidders, and fixing time and place for receipt of bids. 1. Public Hearing Throgmorton: Again I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Hi, Jason. Havel: Good to be back, uh (laughter) The West Riverbank Stabilization Project really is a....a project that looks at the west riverbank, north of Highway 6, looks, uh, to stabilize that. We've had some erosion over the last few years with some of the flooding events. Urn, providing stabilization, will also install a retaining wall along, urn, much of that area, that will set it up for a future trail project that wold go along the west side of the....the river there to the north. So....that's about it, unless you have any questions! Throgmorton: Not from me! Thomas: What...what exact...what are we stabilizing the bank with,riprap? Havel: So they'll be....basically it'll be fill with the retaining wall will be most of it. There'll be some riprap that would go to, urn, for the areas that are, urn, stabilized there,but it would be, urn, fill and kind of along the, uh,retaining wall section. So won't really be pushing out as much as it would be just filling in the existing to help stabilize that and then the....the protection along the riverbank. Throgmorton: Any further questions for Jason? Seeing none, thank you, Jason. Havel: Yep! Throgmorton: Anybody else want to address this topic? How bout you, Simon? Ron? (laughter) Okay, I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) 2. Consider a Resolution Mims: Move the resolution. Salih: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 63 Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Salih. Discussion? Taylor: I just think this project, uh, makes total sense with our major investment that we're doing the Riverfront Crossings Park area, uh, that we....that would ensure the stability, uh, of the riverbank along there. Just makes sense! Throgmorton: Further discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 64 15. Wastewater Treatment Facility Backup Generation and Electrical Distribution Upgrade—Resolution approving project manual and estimate of cost for the construction of the Wastewater Treatment Facility Backup Generation and Electrical Distribution Upgrade Project, establishing amount of bid security to accompany each bid, directing City Clerk to post notice to bidders, and fixing time and place for receipt of bids. 1. Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Good evening, Ron! Knoche: Good evening, uh, Ron Knoche, Public Works Director. Uh, this project will upgrade the current generator at the site, uh, with the renovations and expansion that were done, uh, to the plant, the generator that we currently have there will not power the whole site, uh, so this will install a 2-megawatt generator and then will also upgrade some of the electrical system within the plant that was originally a part of the project, of the upgrades, but was taken out due to some issues that had come up during the project itself. So, about a$1.5 million project. Throgmorton: And it's gonna be paid how? Knoche: Uh, this'll be paid with, uh, our sewer revenue bonds, or sewer revenue. Throgmorton: Okay. Fruin: Just reserves. We're not bonding for it,just reserves, from sewer. Throgmorton: Any questions for Ron? Knoche: Thank you. Throgmorton: Thanks. Anyone else wanna address this topic? Seeing no one I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) 2. Consider a Resolution Thomas: Move the resolution. Cole: Second. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 65 Throgmorton: Moved by Thomas, seconded by Cole. Discussion? Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 66 16. 2018 Annual Sewer Rehabilitation—Resolution approving manual and estimate of cost for the construction of the 2018 Annual Sewer Rehabilitation Project, establishing amount of bid security to accompany each bid, directing City Clerk to post notice to bidders, and fixing time and place for receipt of bids. 1. Public Hearing Throgmorton: I'll open the public hearing. (bangs gavel) Uh, it's Ron! Knoche: Uh, with this project we have approximately eight sites that we'll do some sewer lining,uh, throughout the city. Um, obviously it's our annual project, so these were the sites that were identified for this year. Urn, the project will be funded with, uh, sewer revenue.....reserves. Thank you! Throgmorton: I'm assuming no one wants to ask questions? (laughter) Okay! I'm gonna close the public hearing. (bangs gavel) 2. Consider a Resolution Teague: Move the resolution. Throgmorton: Moved by Teague. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Seconded by Salih. Discussion? Cole: This falls under the category of boring but important(laughter and several talking) Throgmorton: Okay, I guess that's the end of our discussion. Roll call please. Motion carries 7- 0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 67 18. Council Compensation—Ordinance amending Title 1 "Administration", Chapter 5 "City Council", Section 3 "Compensation" of the City Council to increase the salary and health insurance benefit of the Mayor and Members of the City Council effective January 1, 2020 (Second Consideration) Throgmorton: Could I have a motion please? Cole: So moved. Thomas: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Cole, seconded by Thomas. Discussion? Mims: Yeah, I'm gonna just quickly....this may be just the second or third time in the nine years on Council, but I've changed my vote when we've had multiple votes. Um, I voted yes on this before and....and I've struggled with this since we started the discussion, urn, I'm not convinced that this makes a difference, um, in terms of low income residents being able to run for Council and I have expressed those views before. Um.....and so I....I'll just....we're gettin' late. I'll just say I'm gonna vote against it. Throgmorton: Anyone else? Salih: I voted against it, but not for that reason. I think, you know, it could be encouraging and everything but I really wanna see, you know, first I can vote for it if the City like really increase the minimum wage for the City employee to $15 an hour. I wanna see that first. I wanna see we doing something for the City first. After that we can think about ourself, but....I'm now voting no for this but.....you know,just my....just my voting no is really different than Susan Mims. That's why I wanna be clear. Throgmorton: Okay, any further discussion? Teague: I just wanna say that I do believe that it does help, urn, individuals,urn, encourage individuals that have, uh, lesser means. If your....I mean, I understand some, you know,maybe (mumbled) veteran on Council (mumbled) opportunities and meeting with people in the community, um, maybe that will dwindle down and it may not feel like it's, um, a full-time job on some....on some weeks, but I honestly believe that this compensation would allow someone the opportunity to reduce their hours at work to come to Council, urn, and you know....a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 68 middle....middle to, um,you know, someone who really has those financial needs....financial needs. So I'm not votin' really for myself, but really for the opportunity for other individuals that, uh, right now they could not leave their job and, urn, if they didn't have any supplemental income from the Council, and the other thing is that cities across, urn, and....and in Iowa and across the nation, urn, you know, do compensate and this is, urn, in comparison, urn, a very reasonable, uh, compensation for City Council. Throgmorton: I....I guess for the benefit of whoever might be watching on TV I wanna repeat a few points I made during our last meeting, uh, and then present just a little bit more information. So first of all we discussed this during our October the 2°d work session and then again during our formal meeting on November the 6th, where we had our first vote on this. The changes were proposed primarily for three reasons. The first is to enable more people in the community to consider serving on the City Council. The second is....was to bring our salaries in line with other large cities in the state, and we had ample data supporting that, uh, observation that it would be appropriate for us to do that. And the third was to provide Council Members with greater flexibility in accessing health insurance for themselves and their families. So we had background data that Geoff provided us about what other mayors and council members are paid in the 10 largest cities in the state, plus Coralville and North Liberty. We use that, came up with the numbers that we're drawing upon now. The other bit of information I wanna introduce is that, uh, this is the first substantial change in city council and mayoral salaries since 1997. In 1997 the Council increased the salary of the Council Members by $500 to $5,512. And it's been.....increased just....in consistent with, I don't know, the....whatdaya call it, inflation basically. There was one moment when it....what did you tell me? One moment when, uh.....uh, the Council, uh, froze the compensation for City Council Members because of the flood related things. Not the flood. Because of the....the big recession,the great recession. So this is really a....a first time in 20 years that we've considered increasing salaries, other than just by inflation. So I feel completely comfortable voting for this again. Anyone else? Okay, uh, seeing....no further discussion, hearing no further discussion, roll call please. Motion carries 5-2. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 69 19. Creekside Market Tobacco Penalty—Resolution assessing$1500.00 civil penalty against Creekside Market Throgmorton: Could I have a motion to approve please? Mims: So moved. Salih: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Salih. Is this what you wanted to address? (several talking) Yeah, sure! (laughter) Just state your name please. Batcheller: My name is Paul Batcheller. I am (both talking) Throgmorton: Thanks, Paul. Batcheller: ....a Sergeant with the Iowa City Police Department, and one of my peripheral duties as a supervisor is to oversee our tobacco compliance program, in conjunction with the Alcohol Beverages Division. Uh, so through this program we utilize kids age 16 or 17, uh, we have very well established protocols, uh, safety mechanisms in place,but we give them,um,money,have them go into, uh, anywhere in the city of Iowa City that sells tobacco products or vape products and have them attempt to make a purchase. The person is told, uh, they have to use their regular identification. If they're asked how old they are they have to tell 'em. There's nothing deceptive or anything in place. So on December 7th, 2017, at about 7:30 P.M. we did a check at the Creekside Market (clears throat) The employee walked in, asked for a tobacco product, the employee, uh, immediately sold it to `em without asking for any identification or making any reasonable attempt to ascertain the person's age. Uh, this particular underage person that we were utilizing was 16-years-old and anyway the sale was completed. The person walked out, provided the tobacco,uh, to the officers. Uh, we then entered the store, identified ourselves, informed the employee that we were doing a tobacco compliance check, and that they had failed that check. Uh,the employee was then issued a citation. Uh, it appears the employee later pled not guilty and was found guilty in a court of law on January 22nd of 2018. Salih: I just wanna ask you that the.....the 17 or 16-years-old that you use, yeah, like he looks 17? He looks 16? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 70 Batcheller: Correct, uh, this particular kid is 16-years-old and he looked about exactly 16. We try and avoid, uh, a kid that's 16 and has a beard (both talking and laughing) We just get an average looking 16 or 17-year-old. Salih: Okay,just making sure(laughs) Throgmorton: Good question! Mims: Is there a reason that this....if.....if that went to trial like back in January, is there reason that this isn't coming to us until November? Dilkes: We are catching up. You remember that the County Attorney's office was doing this for us when Andy Chappell was there and when he was appointed to the bench, it....(both talking) for a little while and then we took it over and....so there'll be some old ones here for a little bit. Mims: Okay, thank you! Teague: I'm a little confused why...or how it went from $195 on the citation and then you know, um....in the resolution it talks about, you know, a$300 civil penalty and then.....I.....I'm a little confused why it's at 1,500. Dilkes: So the, um, the criminal charge against the....the employee who sold the tobacco is what Sergeant Batcheller was talking about. This is a civil penalty that the State law provides against the owner of the store, um....when they have an employee that's been convicted. Teague: Okay. Salih: You mean like there is two charge(both talking) Dilkes: There's a criminal charge against the employee (both talking) Salih: Uh huh. Dilkes: But....um, retailers are....are expected to...to train and educate their employees about the process you need to go through when you sell tobacco, and if they don't do that, and in this case this is a second time for this retailer, and so the civil penalty has increased. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 71 Salih: You mean if it was a first time the....the citation will go to the employee only, 300? Dilkes: No. The citation always goes, the criminal citation always goes to the employee, who actually sells the cigarettes (both talking) Salih: Uh huh. Dilkes: But there are graduated penalties against the retailer, against the business owner. So the first time it's....300 or....I think and then the second time it's 1,500 or a suspension. Eventually gets up to revocation of their....of their permit to sell cigarettes. Salih: Okay. Thank you. Throgmorton: So we see a difference here between civil offenses and criminal offenses, right, and in the case of the criminal offense, this....that's mandated by State law, is it not? Dilkes: It's a State code provision (both talking) Throgmorton: Yeah, cause I'm thinkin' about a young person, presumably. I don't know who the employee is that was actually selling stuff and now that person has a criminal record, right, for selling cigarettes to a minor? Right? Batcheller: Right. It's a simple misdemeanor. Throgmorton: Okay, so it doesn't(both talking) Batcheller: A scheduled citation, similar to a traffic citation. Throgmorton: Okay. Good. That's pretty much what I was hoping to hear. Okay,thanks. Further discussion among Council Members? Thanks, Paul. Batcheller: Thank you. Throgmorton: Hearing none, roll call please. Motion carries 7-0. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 72 20. Council Appointments Throgmorton: So, we have several. In the Board of Adjustment, we have one vacancy to fill a five-year term, and we have, what, two applicants for that term. It's a female requirement. One of the two applicants is a female. I could do the math (laughter) Do you have any objection to appointing Amy Pretorius? (several responding) All right, so Amy. All right, I'm gonna skip Human Rights Commission for a second. Just...just because! So let's go to the,uh, Parks and Recreation Commission. We have what, six applicants to fill two three-year terms, with a one male requirement, one no requirement. So do ya have any preference about who we...should be appointed to the male position, to the male requirement position, or not appoint anybody to that till sometime in January? Think I'm tracking that correctly. Mims: Well I think, I mean, we certainly have two applicants I....I find myself in a quandary about this one, because our....our policy tends to be to give, try to give new people an opportunity. Clay Claussen has been on there before. He's been off for a year. When I read the other application, I didn't see any passion or strong sense of attraction to Parks and Rec. It was more just wanting to get involved. So kind of contrary to that idea of putting new people on, I just think Clay would be better, in terms of that male,urn,representative, but I certainly understand if people feel differently than that. Throgmorton: I understand your hesitation, but I would be really leery of reappointing, or not literally reappointing Clay, but I mean he's a terrific guy and has done good service for that particular commission for a long time, but it was only 10 months ago that we did not reappoint him for the reason you just mentioned. Mims: I think he's been off for a year. I think he went off last (both talking) Throgmorton: Maybe it was December, I don't know, but um, so I....I think it'd be a mistake to appoint Clay, given how much, how long he's served before that, and he was Chair for quite a few years too is the way I remember it. So....I don't know what the rest of ya think, but if we choose not to appoint either individual, we could re- advertise, is that right? Would that be the way to proceed? (several talking in background) Yeah, we have two male applicants and there's a one male requirement, unless we don't get any....I don't know(several talking) Teague: ...viable candidate though. I mean he's a graduate student, um, I think, you know, havin' youthful energy, um, you know he hasn't really served on....on anything, This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 73 um, related to this in the past. So I....I think havin' that, you know, new lenses, urn, is always a good opportunity. Urn, I.....I mean I do...I hear Susan where she says that experience. I think that has a lot to do with why you would want someone on it, on a....on a commission, but I also think, you know(laughs) listenin' to the Mayor, and I think overall what I've heard Council, um, in past videos when I've seen, urn, what Council has done, it's really givin' new people opportunity, and you know, um....so I think for that reason I would probably select Lucas. Thomas: Yeah, I'm fine with Lucas (several talking) Taylor: I agree. I liked what he said in his application. He said, uh, to maximize the quality of life for its residents through accessibility and the equity of parkland in the area. That he had a really good idea of what the Parks and Rec could....could be about, uh, I appreciate the service that Clayton's had, but we've been trying, uh, for guidance to try to set a precedent here of....of not reappointing or trying to get some.....some new people in there but, uh, I....I.....I see no problem with Lucas (both talking) one male, one none so.... Throgmorton: Yeah, seems like there's clear support for Lucas Foelsch. Angie Smith is currently serving an unexpired term. I would think we'd want to reappoint her to continue that. Any objection to that? (several responding) Okay, and the Public Art Advisory Committee. Notice I'm skipping the one that has 40 applicants (several talking and laughing) Public Art Advisory Committee, we have four applicants to fill one unexpired term and one three-year term. There's a one male requirement, one none. Salih: I guess it work, yeah. Mims: I would suggest we appoint Ed Boyken to the three-year term. Taylor: I agree. He was my pick. Cole: I would agree. Throgmorton: Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. So....okay, and uh....let's see.....all right we need to appoint one other person. I....I think, what....what Nancy Purington, Andrea Tuitt...Truitt and Katie Wilson all are imminently qualified. I have a slight preference for Andrea Truitt, but.....uh.....(both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 74 Teague: That's my preference as well (both talking) Throgmorton: ....any of the three, so..... Taylor: Andrea was mine. Like you said they all are good but I...I had highlighted Andrea,just because of her experience, her volunteer experience with Summer of the Arts and....and a good knowledge of the committee. Salih: I had Andrea too. Cole: (mumbled) Andrea. Throgmorton: Okay, sounds like we have chosen Andrea. Senior Center Commission, uh, we have three applicants to fill one three-year term. It's a female requirement. The three are Kathleen Crawford...well it doesn't matter. There are three applicants. Three of them are women, and one is a man. So, and one of them, one of the women, is currently serving the end of an unexpired term. Uh, this is Kathleen Dorfman. I'm sorry (several talking) Lorraine Dorfman, excuse me. So I would suggest we reappoint her to a full term. (several talking in background) All right, this is the point where I'm gonna throw up my hands (laughter) I don't have a clue. So we have 40 applicants, uh, for,uh, how many, for three three-year terms on the Human Rights Commission. One female requirement, one male, one none. Mims: Well, to get the male on out of the way, as we've just done in terms of reappointing people, some of these were to partial terms, frequently we have given people that opportunity to have a second term and Adil Adams is finishing his first term. So....um..... Salih: (several talking) ...what you said about new opportunity I think we can also give new people opportunity. Mims: We can, I mean but we oftentimes have given somebody at least a second terms. We haven't always but, um,we certainly have with a partial, if they're doing a partial we'll give 'em a full one. Oftentimes we give `em a second one, not always. So.... Taylor: I think he's (both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 75 Salih: ...and I was trying to say like Mohammed and Elmandi,uh,just like because I like diversity on the committees and you know,both of them are Muslim and we need their voice to be in. Throgmorton: So on those, uh, on that topic,uh, Maz, I was....I was looking at the information we have and one of the charts, or for these various commissions, and I was looking at the Human Rights Commission and looking at the....the types of diversity displayed on that chart, and I was thinking....I mean I'm gonna suggest something that we cannot....that we're not required to do by law and it's not something we should do sort of thoughtlessly,but it's something to consider. I....I think on this commission its good to have somebody who's, uh, is, uh, gay or lesbian or otherwise in the LGBTQ community. Someone who's a Muslim. Someone who is a person with dis....disabil...excuse me, a person with a disability, an African American individual, a Sudanese immigrant, I mean there's this range of things and it's a real challenge to....to have that particular commission take on all the challenges havin' to do with diversity and human rights and everything,but I....I think it's good to try to (both talking) Salih: Exactly! But(unable to understand)really, you know, I select my three people and all of them with say like really saying the same thing that you just said, like Noemi Ford. She's an immigrant from Hungary. She been like really interact with immigration(mumbled) she's great, you know, I know her personally. I saw her everywhere. She always like this one and also Zach Rochester. He is also, you know, gay and he's,uh, a student of the University of Iowa,which is bringing student voice, you know, those two people I really being seeing them very active in the community and also they gonna bring like some kind of,yeah....and that's why and I said the most, the last one will be the Muslim, which is Mohamed Ahmed and El Mandi Taha,that what I was really thinking(laughs) Mims: I had Noemi Ford as one of my female candidates. Salih: Sure(both talking) Mims: ...four of'em but she was (laughs) she was one of them that I had marked. Throgmorton: So are there any objections to appointing Noemi Ford? It is Naomi,right? N-a- o? Yeah(several talking) Is it Noemi, cause that's the way it's spelled (several talking) Salih: ....emi,yeah. Noemi. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 76 Cole: I would support that. Salih: Yeah. Throgmorton: Okay, so we're clear about her. Cole: Mohamed Ahmed I would support him. Throgmorton: Uh, I don't know Mohamed, uh......I trust y'alls advice,uh, again I throw my hands up. Taylor: My impression is of Adil is,um,he's come to our meetings before. He seems very interested, um, and he participates in....in that committee. His attendance is excellent on that and so I would almost go along with Susan as far as...as giving him a chance to have another term. Mims: Oh,Adil? Taylor: Yeah,Adil. Thomas: Yeah, I'm okay with Adil, if people wanna go that way. Salih: Just wanna give like....the thing is the passion of immigrant trying to join like some,you know, committees. We...we don't see that a lot. I don't see like a lot of immigrant come forward, say hey, we wanna do this and that's why as....as much as we can give new people chance to come forward and just try to serve would be great, so we have more....especially for immigrant, I mean, we can....because we are not gonna select all of the immigrants, you know,we need like one so we can have the diversity. That's why I'm saying,uh, give Mohamed a chance to come, you know, forward and do this. Teague: Since this is (both talking) Oh, sorry! The Human Rights Commission, I mean, it's a very desired (several talking) And so I wonder if....um.....you know, lookin' at....I.....I think there's some validity to ensurin' that someone has a full term, um, and maybe it's just one full term and not a,you know, not a second full term, um,because this commission,people really do wanna be a part of and,um, so I don't know if that is somethin' that can help guide our...if that's of any interest to help guide our decision, like this is really a higher desired commission. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 77 Salih: Uh huh! Throgmorton: So what does that mean for you? (several talking and laughing) Teague: That we may not reappoint. Salih: Exactly! Because a lot people want to serve on this commission. Look at them, 40 people. If we gonna like reappoint people all the time, that means you are not gonna give all those 40 a chance to serve. Taylor: Like I think on that note, I....I'd like to thank every one of these 40 applicants for even going through....and some of them are older, uh, if you look on the dates, some of them have applied previously but we keep their applications on file until, you know,there's an opening. So I commend every one of them because almost every one of them in their applications, uh, talked about their passion for human rights. I mean the word `passion' came up many times and....and so they have a good....good idea and a good knowledge, especially the ones, uh, immigrants. I mean,uh, not just the Muslims,which is wonderful but,uh,highlighted here there's Korean, Asians, Indians, South Korea, uh, from all over the country, uh, we have folks, uh, African American,uh, gay, blacks,uh....(several talking and laughing) It's wonderful, but now I'm confused (laughter) cause I do (both talking) Throgmorton: Let me focus things in a little bit. We need to fill three positions—one female, one male, one none(several talking) We got Noemi down. So that,there's the one female, all right? So we have, we have to fill two more positions. One should be a male,the other doesn't matter. Okay. So we have heard so far four names,uh,but one we've already addressed—Noemi Ford. So the other names we've heard are Zachary Rochester,Mohamed Ahmed, and Adil Adams. Are there other names that anybody wants to put out there? I mean they're all surely good people, so that's not the point,but..... Mims: I think Anne Crotty was strong. I think Jessica Ferdig was strong(several talking) and I think Caroline Garske was strong. Salih: I just said that because he's a student and you know and also he's from....like transgender and that's what I....think if you want really the diversity(mumbled) Throgmorton: And when you say 'he' you mean Mohamed? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 78 Salih: No. Zach. Throgmorton: Zach, oh right, Zach. Salih: And Mohamed is just gonna bring the Muslim piece to this group, you know, and also,uh,you know, immigrants. Cole: I would support Jessica Ferdig. Throgmorton: I was personally impressed with Jessica Ferdig,but I only got about halfway through the list. So.... Cole: Yeah, three for Ferdig. Do we have another one? Taylor: Well Car....Susan mentioned Caroline and I had her highlighted. A student, 23- years-old and she again had mentioned being passionate about human rights and, um, social justice and equity for all. Um....she seemed to have very good knowledge of the board. Salih: And(unable to understand)give everybody chance(several talking in background) Throgmorton: All right, I'm gonna go through names and see if there are four people in favor of, uh,particular individuals, and if there are, we'll appoint th...that person and move ahead. So Zachary Rochester. Just sort of raise your hand if you're...if....if your support appointing Zachary Rochester. Teague: Are we only getting one vote? (several talking) Throgmorton: I'm just gonna run through this one time and then we'll probably have to do it again(several talking) So I see two for sure. Okay. We'll see. Uh, I can't write on this can I? So, all right, Mohamed(mumbled) Definitely two. Okay. Adil Adams. Definitely three. Teague: And he served before, correct? Throgmorton: (several responding)he's filling(several talking) Sorry? Thomas: Was he a full or did.... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 79 Throgmorton: I think he's a parti....serving an unexpired(both talking) That's the way I'm remembering it. Taylor: I believe he did come in that way. Throgmorton: I'm not lookin' at you to get an answer, Eleanor(laughs) Don't worry about that. Okay, uh....uh, Anne Crotta. One. Jessica Ferdig. (several responding) I see three hands up for Jessica Ferdig. Okay, there's three, and Caroline Garske. Mims: Yeah, I could support Caroline. Throgmorton: One, okay. (both talking) Well I heard two people get three votes. I don't know if this is the best way to do this but...let's do it. So Jessica Ferdig was one and who was the other? Mims: Adil. Throgmorton: Adil,Adil Adams. So,uh, is there support,majority support(both talking) Cole: I would support Adil. Adil also is Muslim and immigrant as well, so let's reappoint Adil. That gives us four,right? Throgmorton: I don't know, let's fmd out. So the...there's one,two, three, four. Teague: If you're saying that he....he only did a partial,then I would support him. Cole: Okay! Teague: For a full (both talking) Throgmorton: Any way to find out? (several talking) .....in the document somewhere. Teague: And I was looking to see if it.... Throgmorton: Should say there if his name appears. Cole: I'd support Adil. Mims: Who else did? (several talking) We got three here(both talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 80 Throgmorton: Well there are four but...but anyhow, but Bruce is.... Fruehling: Adil's application said that he was a member for three years. Throgmorton: Okay, so.... Fruehling: He doesn't give the term though. But.... Teague: (several talking) Three years is the term. Mims: (several talking) Do we have four with him? Teague: I would take my vote back if...if he's already served(both talking) Throgmorton: I think there are four votes (several talking) and Pauline. Mims: And Pauline? Okay. So we've got four then for Adil? Throgmorton: All right,uh,then we had three votes for Jessica Ferdig also. Is there majority support for appointing Jessica Ferdig? Thomas: I'll throw my support,yeah, Jessica(several talking) Throgmorton: So I think that's four. Mims: We got four. Mikes: Who was the last one? Jessica? Cole: Jessica(several responding) Throgmorton: Okay, so we appointed Jessica Ferdig. Adil Adams (talking in background) All right. (talking and laughing in background) So....I.....I,hold on everybody (talking and laughing in background) Time....retum to the fold, okay? (several talking in background) So.....I need a motion to appoint Amy Pretorius to the Board of Adjustment; uh, Lucas Foelsch and Angie Smith to the Parks and Recreation Commission; Ed Boyken and Andrea Truitt to the Public Art Advisory Committee. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 81 Mims: Qualifying the Ed Boyken will be the three-year term and Andrea Truitt will be filling the partial term. Thank you. Throgmorton: Agreed. Uh, Lorraine Dorfman to the Senior Center Commission. And then Noemi Ford,Adil Adams, and Jessica Ferdig to the Human Rights Commission. Mims: So moved. Cole: Second. Throgmorton: Moved by Mims, seconded by Cole. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 82 22. Community Comment Stewart: Hi. Throgmorton: Hi. Stewart: Urn, yeah. Throgmorton: What brings you here? Stewart: (laughter) I don't know! I just spend my evenings here (laughter) Okay, sounds good! (laughs) My name's Gustave Stewart, uh, Student Liaison. Um, the only thing that I'm pretty much gonna say is that, urn, next week is, urn, at least University students are putting on a"It's on Us Week," and if you don't know what"It's on Us" is it's a nationwide initiative to basically spread awareness, urn, and prevention on sexual assault, urn, related things. So there's.....I know there's going to be numerous events and, um, some social media presence. So if you see, urn,that...that's kind of what it's about. Thanks! Throgmorton: Okay! Thanks. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 83 23. City Council Information Throgmorton: Maybe we could start with Maz and move to the right. Salih: Nothing to report. Throgmorton: All right! Rockne? Cole: Happy Thanksgiving everyone! (laughter) Throgmorton: John? Thomas: Nothing for me. Mims: Just really quickly,had the opportunity to go to Hancher week or so ago to go to the Soweto Choir. Absolutely fantastic event! Throgmorton: Pauline? Taylor: Uh, I think,uh,Bruce had mentioned the City employee lunch. That was a wonderful event and uh, I found it interesting cause,uh,most of the initial employees that came were from the Transit, so I took the opportunity to just chat with them a little bit about, uh, upcoming evaluation and, uh,hopefully they'll be giving input into the whole survey, etc. Uh,this past Saturday,uh, I was...had the honor and pleasure to give a welping....welcoming message to, it, the CFA Cat Show,the Cat Fanciers Association, cause everybody knows I'm a 'cat lady,' and so in lieu of the Mayor I, uh, offered to do that. Um, and it just showed me that Iowa City truly is becoming a gathering place for people with many interests. I mean we've had some....we've hosted so many groups,urn,the City of Literature,the bicyclists—RAGBRAI, Cyclocross,urn,wrestling,uh, so this was, uh,really nice to be able to,uh,include,uh, our four-legged friends and the folks that,uh,mean a lot to these animals. Uh, also meet people from all across the country. You could have done the little license plate game in the parking lot, cause there were, uh, Kansas and Missouri and Nebraska and Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, and all....all across Iowa, of course,too. So, uh, so that was ...that was really fun. That was nice, and it, they commented that the Coralville Visitors Bureau was very helpful,uh, the directors of that said they were very helpful in helping get a site and hotels, etc. So that was good to hear, and they're hoping to come back next year, which is good! Um,upcoming things,it, December 2°d the retirement party for Susan Craig is at the Iowa City Library. I This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20, 2018. Page 84 think that's a Sunday, Sunday afternoon one, 1:00 or 2:00, and also then on that note, uh,would like to give a shout-out welcome to the new Director, Elsworth Carman I believe is his name, uh, so that's good and urn, think that's it! Throgmorton: Bruce? Teague: So Iowa City Red Week, this is, urn, a....it'll be a series of HIV....HIV, Aids public awareness program that'll be corrin' to Iowa City and that's going to be November 26th through December 151. Urn,there will be readin' of names on, urn, November 30`s, and urn, it is encouraged for local government and other individuals, um, within our community to take part in the readin' of names, urn, as a symbolic effort of ending stigma and bringin' awareness, urn, during the World Aids Day. Urn, and there's other things that they have going on, like Aids Memorial Quilt showin' and that's gonna be at the Old Capitol Museum. So there's lots of things goin' around, um, for that event and I would just say Happy Thanksgivin' everybody! Throgmorton: Excellent. Uh, I'll mention a few things. First its somethin' that I meant to bring up back when we were discussing appointments. A couple weeks ago I was talking to one of our State legislators and she told me that she had recently been informed that we were deficient in appointing minority members to our boards and commissions. She couldn't provide any further detail. Said she was gonna look, check it out, that kind of thing. I was surprised, told her I was surprised and all that. So I don't know if her report was correct, but I'm hoping someone could follow up and report back, and the....the person is Mary Mascher. I'm not tryin' to hide her name but....just reach out to Mary and see if she can identify the report, has any more information or provide if we're, you know, in violation somehow we wanna know it. Uh, so that's one thing. I also recent....recently completed that three-day trip to Los Angeles for the National League of Cities meeting, the City Summit, and among other things I had really fruitful conversations with member of Ames' council, city council, and the mayor of Ames. John knows there's a photograph of....of John Haila and me, and also with the mayor of Ottumwa, Tom Lazio and his wife Peg. That was really fun and I reached out to Tom and said, hey, I'd love to come down to your city, probably in the spring, and give you a chance to kind of show me around and let me see all the things you like, you know, things are goin' well in your city and your proud of, and then I'd be really happy to return the favor. So,that was...really hopeful about that just as one connection with somebody outside of here. Uh, on the 12th of November I was in prison again, yet again(laughter) this time to witness the Soweto Gospel Choir sing with the Oakdale Community Choir This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 85 in an afternoon concert. And I can tell you it was the most emotionally powerful, inspiring, moving thing I've ever seen. It was really stunning, and part of it had to do with the profound intimacy about it. You're in....remember, we're in prison, right? And in prison we have this big crowd watchin' people up there, sort of on stage, and then they all came down and mingled with us. So the choir, so, uh, Soweto Gospel Choir members, there's one of`em on my right, there's one of`em right over there, one over there, and others dispersed around and they're guiding us through this song that involves a lot of movement, which is pretty hard for a du...for a dunce like me, you know, and we're movin' and all this stuff, and the faces were so....so moving to look at their voices, oh my god! And you saw the, not the....the dresses and attire. Mims: Yeah. Throgmorton: I didn't get a chance to see that, but I heard they were fabulous. Mims: Yeah. Throgmorton: Yeah. Mims: It was wonderful! Throgmorton: I'm countin' on you, Bruce, given your voice and ability to perform, you know, top that! (laughter) yeah, so anyhow, there's that and I also want to mention that, just a couple other things here, employee, uh, appreciation lunch that we went to on the 15°. That was really fun. I had an excellent meeting with Kim Casko, Nancy Bird, Mark Nolte, and other members of ICAD staff on the I6"', and we focused mainly on what inclusive economic development could mean here, and what the components of it might be. I think everybody was listening and everybody's trying to explore that topic. So it was pleasing to do. Yesterday I went...uh,visited with former mayor, uh, Darrel Courtney. His, uh, you know, in the casket, out at First Christian Church in Coralville. There were a lot of people there. Stream of people coming in and going out. But I wanted to make sure that, you know, somebody from Iowa City government was there,paying him and his wife Cynthia respects. Last, I'll be reading names on World Days...Aids Day, can't talk, World Aids Day,November the 30th, in front of the Pentacrest. That'll be fun. That's it for me. Maz? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018. Page 86 Salih: Can I just say one thing. I just would like really to congratulate (unable to understand) Royceann Porter for winning the nomination by the Democratic party. Throgmorton: Oh, Royceann won! (both talking) Congratulations, Royceann(several talking) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council regular formal meeting of November 20,2018.