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COMMUNITY FORUM
MAY 1752021, 5:30 PM
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AGENDA
ITEM NO. 1 CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL
ITEM NO. 2 INTRODUCTION OF BOARD
ITEM NO. 3 CONSIDER MOTION TO ACCEPT CORRESPONDENCE AND/OR
DOCUMENTS
ITEM NO. 4 MEET THE NEW POLICE CHIEF DUSTIN LISTON
ITEM NO. 5 OPEN DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
CPRB AND THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
TOWARD MORE COMMUNITY POLICING
ITEM NO. 6 PUBLIC DISCUSSION WITH COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW BOARD
ITEM NO. 7 ADJOURNMENT
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COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW BOARD
COMMUNITY FORUM
The Community Police Review Board will be holding a Community
Forum for the purpose of hearing views on the policies, practices and proce-
dures of the Iowa
AND
QUESTIONS & COMMENTS:
Send your questions or comments you'd like addressed at the
forum to the following by Monday, May 3, 2021:
Please include full name and address. (All correspondence is public)
CPRB
City of Iowa City
410 E Washington St, 52240
Or e-mail to:
CPRB@iowa-city.org
DATF I ( TIME
Chris Olney
From: City of Iowa City<CityoflowaCity@public.govdelivery.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 1:53 PM
To: Chris Olney
Subject: Community invited to attend Community Police Review Board forum
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= �°� IOWA CITY
Date: 04/01 /2021
Contact: Chris Olney, Administrative Secretary
Phone: 319-356-5043
Community invited to attend Community Police Review Board
forum
The Community Police Review Board (CPRB) will host its annual Community Forum to hear views
on Iowa City Police Department policies, practices and procedures. The community is invited to
submit questions and comments that will be used during the event.
The forum will begin at 5:30 p.m., Monday, May 17, 2021. An electronic Zoom meeting is being held
because a meeting in person is impossible or impractical due to concerns for the health and safety
of Commission members, staff and the public presented by COVID-19.
Topics will include open discussion regarding the proposed changes to the CPRB and the
restructuring of the police department toward community policing. Police Chief Dustin Liston will
also attend the forum and be available to meet and talk with participants.
You can participate and comment during the forum by going to the Zoom meeting registration
link: https://zoom.us/webinar/registerMN ZFn-3rzfSDu3mGtMxEYL9w Meeting ID: 958 2886 0275
Send your questions or comments you'd like addressed at the forum by Monday, May 3, 2021.
Email to: CPRB(cDiowa-city.org or Mail to: CPRB at City Hall, 410 E. Washington St., Iowa City, Iowa
52240. Be sure to include your full name and address as all submissions are public. The board will
try to address all questions and comments it receives.
The forum will also be recorded and later shown on City Channel 4. You can view programming
and the schedule at www.citychannel4.com.
Chris Olney
From: City of Iowa City <CityoflowaCity@public.govdelivery.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:29 AM
To: Chris Olney
Subject: Reminder: Public invited to attend Community Police Review Board forum
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City of IOWA CITY
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: 05/06/2021
Contact: Chris Olnev, Administrative Secretary
Phone: 319-356-5043
Public invited to Community Police Review Board forum
The Community Police Review Board will host its annual Community Forum to hear views on Iowa
City Police Department policies, practices and procedures.
The forum will begin at 5:30 p.m., Monday, May 17, 2021. An electronic meeting is being held
because a meeting in person is impossible or impractical due to concerns for the health and safety
of Commission members, staff and the public presented by COVID-19.
Topics will include open discussion regarding the proposed changes to the CPRB and the
restructuring of the police department toward more community policing. Police Chief Dustin Liston
will also attend the forum and be available to meet and talk with participants.
You can participate in the meeting by going to https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN ZFn-
3rzfSDu3mGtMxEYL9w via the internet to visit the Zoom meeting's registration page and submit
the required information.
If you have no computer or smartphone, or a computer without a microphone, you may call in by
telephone by dialing (312) 626-6799. When prompted, enter the meeting or webinar ID. The ID
number for this meeting is:958 2886 0275.
Additional information about the Community Police Review Board is available at
https://www.iccov.org/city-government/boards/community-police-review-board-cprb
Program details
2021 Community Police Review Board Community Forum
Runtime:01:35:05
Produced: May 17, 2021
• • •••
The annual Community Police Review Board Community Forum allows an
Opportunity for community members to present their views on the policies,
practices. and procedures of the Iowa City Police Department to the Board at
this annual for um. The Board in turn will relay these issues to the Iowa City
Police and the City Council.
More information about the Community Police Review Board is available at
icgov.org.
Final/Approved
COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW BOARD
COMMUNITY FORUM
May 17, 2021, 5:30 P.M.
Electronic Meeting (Pursuant to Iowa Code section 21.8)
An electronic meeting was held because a meeting in person was impossible
or impractical due to concerns for the health and safety of board members,
staff and the public presented by COVID-19.
CALL TO ORDER: Chair David Selmer called the meeting to order at 5:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jerri MacConnell, Amanda Nichols, Orville Townsend
MEMBERS ABSENT: Latisha McDaniel
STAFF PRESENT: Legal Counsel Patrick Ford and Staff Chris Olney, Kellie Fruehling.
OTHERS PRESENT: Iowa City Police Chief Dustin Liston,
City Council Member Janice Weiner, CPRB Liaison
INTRODUCTION OF THE BOARD AND BRIEF OVERVIEW
CONSIDER MOTION TO ACCEPT CORRESPONDENCE AND/OR DOCUMENTS
Selmer read correspondence received from Brad Guyer (Staff response included) and
Temple Hiatt into the record.
Motion by Townsend, seconded by MacConnell to accept correspondence and or /documents.
Motion carried, 4/0, McDaniel absent.
MEET THE NEW POLICE CHIEF DUSTIN LISTON
Chief Liston gave some background information about himself personally and professionally.
He also spoke about it being a privilege to be back in Iowa City and be able to serve in this
Community.
OPEN DISCUSSION REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CPRB AND
RESTRUCTURING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TOWARD MORE COMMUNITY
POLICING
Selmer noted City Council had requested a report and recommendations from the CPRB
regarding changes to the CPRB Ordinance that enhance its ability to provide effective civilian
oversight to the Iowa City Police Department. Selmer summarized the 13 recommendations
submitted for consideration to the City Council.
PUBLIC
DISCUSSION The following individuals appeared before the CPRB:
Temple Hiatt Dan Kauble Susan Bryant
Delon Broxton Tammy Nyden
Joe Coulter Travis Breese
ADJOURNMENT
Meeting adjourned at 7:05 P.M.
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From: Brad Guyer <bguy07O7@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 11:25 PM
To: Community Police Review Board
Subject: Community Forum question/comment
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Almost everyday there are more stories about officer involved shootings- and thankful nothing tragic has happened it
Iowa City, yet. Reading the requirements listed in a recent Iowa City Police Officerjob posting (https://iowacity-
ia.eeebo.com/mobs-online/view/id/758020907-police-officer-), there is no mention of the general "Protect and Serve"
motto of policedom, or otherwise requiring basic conflict resolution or de-escalation techniques for the job.
Why not add "Protect and Serve the community..." or add a preference to candidates having conflict resolution / de-
escalation training? It would publicly show that the next generation of officers are expected to maintain the high
standards of the current force and potentially prevent a tragic situation from occurring.
Brad Guyer
3562 Vista Park Dr, Iowa City, IA 52245
Chris Olney
From:
Dustin Liston
Sent:
Monday, May 10, 2021 9:15 AM
To:
Community Police Review Board
Subject:
RE: Community Forum question/comment
I appreciate the comment and agree that de-escalation skills are essential. We provide initial and annual training in de-
escalation techniques to all of our staff. It is a critical component of the 40 hour Crisis Intervention Training that all ICPD
officers attend. Any formal training in de-escalation would undoubtedly be viewed as a plus for our potential hires.
Respectfully,
goDUSTIN LISTON
CHIEF OF POLIO
IOWA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT
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Chris Olney
From: Kellie Fruehling
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 5:18 AM
To: Community Police Review Board
Subject: Fwd: CPRB Forum Question
Begin forwarded message:
From: Temple Hiatt <templehiatt@yahoo.com>
Date: May 10, 2021 at 10:25:37 PM EDT
To: IowaCityMeetings <IowaCityMeetings@iowa-city.org>
Subject: CPRB Forum Question
A
Due to the state preempting local control, Iowa's county and city governments can no
longer designate county and city properties (excluding schools) as gun free spaces
unless there is an armed guard present and a metal detector screening process. How
do we notify the public that these spaces (library, recreation centers, government
offices) are no longer gun free spaces and how do we protect city and county
employees?
Thank you! -Temple Hiatt
COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW BOARD
A Board of the City of Iowa City
410 East Washington Street
Iowa City, IA 52240-1826
(319)356-5041
July 13, 2021
Iowa City -City Council
City of Iowa City
410 Washington Street
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
RE: Community Police Review Board Annual Community Forum
The Iowa City Community Police Review Board (CPRB) held the annual Community Forum on Monday,
May 17, 2021 at 5:30 p.m. Due to the Covid Virus the program was held virtually via zoom
Board member participating in the forum were Chair -David Selmer, Vice Chair -Orville Townsend, Jerri
McConnell, Amanda Nichols. Staff participating were Chris Olney and Kellie Fruehling. Patrick Ford,
Legal Counsel also participated.
The chair opened the forum and gave a short summary of the CPRB's functions and responsibilities
when attempting to hear and address citizens' complaints when they feel they have been treated
unfairly. It was also mentioned that the CPRB reviews policies and practices of the ordinances related to
the Police Departments responsibilities. The CPRB also makes recommendations to the Chief and City
Council when review findings indicate it appropriate.
There was discussion of the 13 recommendations the CPRB submitted to the City Council for possible
changes.
1. That in instances of a sustained misconduct complaint, the CPRB be given information about the
corresponding discipline, and that the CPRB be allowed to include in its report its findings on
whether the discipline is reasonable and fair.
2. The CBRP shall have the authority to request the city council have a disciplinary hearing.
3. That an accused officer be required to comply with a CPRB investigation or be disciplined by the
chief of police/city manager.
4. A complainant shall have the right to respond to the chiefs findings in the chiefs report before
the CPRB shall conduct its investigation. The online database of officer complaints shall be
improved to allow for quick searches of complaint history and a computerized risk -management
system to analyze trends.
5. The online database of officer complaints shall be improved to allow for quick searches of
complaint history and a computerized risk -management system to analyze trends.
6. All complaints of misconduct shall be included in the police department's monthly disclosures
to the CPRB.
7. CPRB shall be provided with additional information in the police department quarterly reports
to review for certain trends
8. CPRB should have the authority to hire an independent auditor to review the police
department's internal investigation procedures.
9. CPRB shall be provided city funding to promote awareness of the CPRB and enhance
accessibility to its services.
10. Complainants shall have access to a lawyer and social worker/medical professional with trauma
awareness training for purposes of assisting complainants throughout the complaint process.
11. Expand the membership of the CPRB from five to seven or nine members, with an emphasis on
minority representation and representation from a current or former member of the police or
police policy expert.
12. CPRB complaints should be permitted whether filed anonymously or through third persons so
long as there is sufficient knowledge of the underlying circumstances.
13. The statute of limitation for filing a CPRB complaint shall be lengthened from 90 days after the
date of the alleged misconduct, to 180 days after the alleged misconduct.
When preparing to accept questions from the public the Chair mentioned that the Forum/Program was
being recorded and would be replayed on Channel 4. The Chair opened the Forum to the public and the
following individuals participated: Temple Hiatt, Deion Broxton, Joe Coulter, Susan Bryant, Dan Kauble,
Tammy Nyden, and Travis Breese.
The following areas were mentioned:
• Gun free spaces -the question was "how do we notify the public that these spaces are no longer
gun free?" In response to this question Chief Liston stated that it is the property owner's
responsibility to inform the public of gun free status.
• Tracking demographics on use of force —the question was "Does information/data include
race? Are these incidents reported to the FBI?" The response to this question is that this
information is tracked.
• The 13 Recommendations — question about the 13 recommendations the CPRB made to the
City Council. (discussed earlier in the meeting)
• Priorities of the 13 recommendations —the question was which of the 13 recommendations
submitted to the City Council are the top priority. Board members stated that they are all
priorities.
• Restructuring of the Police Department —The question was "How involved is the CPRB in the
restructuring of the Police Department." The response was that the Board is limited to what the
ordinance allows.
• The question was about Laura Bergus' comment on abolishing the Police Department.
• The question was about qualified immunity, but no discussion on this topic.
• OIR Review - Recommendations made by the OIR Review related to the demonstration on June
6, 2020.
• City Managers plan for enhancing the police.
• Does the review only focus on policing and procedure or do they address Officers behavior?
• Status Chart for CPRB Recommendations - Recommendations that a status chart be posted on
the website indicating the progress on the CPRB recommendations to the City Council. The 13
proposals along with information on policies being reviewed.
• Relationship of Iowa City Police and Iowa State Patrol - Relationship between the Iowa City
Police and the State Patrol. An individual expressed concern that the Iowa City Police may be
put in a situation where they support a groups orders that may be unfair to citizens.
• Questionable Conduct Tools - Tools to identify officers who exhibit questionable conduct.
• National CPRB Associations - Are there any National Associations or systems for CPRB —The
response is that Iowa has the oldest CPRB.
• Police and Mental Health Situations/Issues - Police dealing with individuals with mental health
situations/issues. -Efforts have been initiated to collect information on contacts related to
mental health issues.
• Interest/Involvement with CPRB - How important is it to keep public interested/involved with
the CPRB?
• Guidelink Center - Discuss the Guidelink Center as a welcome resource. Police Chief shared that
the Guidelink Center is an alternate to putting some people in jail. He fells it is a great option to
jail and can help people get the services they need.
The Chair reminded viewers that the forum was recorded and could be seen on Channel 4.
The Forum was adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
Orville Townsend, Vice -Chair
Community Police Review Board
(Transcriptions are available at ICgov.org)
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Community Police Review Board Community Forum
Monday, May 17, 2021— 5:30 PM
Electronic Zoom Meeting Platform
Call to Order:
Selmer: All right, I'll call the CPRB community forum meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call and
then I'll ask the Board Members after that to introduce themselves a little bit. (takes roll call)
Introduction of Board Members:
Selmer: Do the introduction of the board members, I'll start with myself. Um, I am David Selmer, I'm
the Chair. I've been here in Iowa City since about 2014. I've been serving ... this is ... my end of
my term will be coming up on June 301h. I've been sitting here four years here on the board,
um, and my family and I are located here in Iowa City. We take place, um, and take part in a lot
of the community activities. Help out at the food shelter once in a while, and uh, are really
proud of the community we're in, not from being around here originally. We, um, were both
transplanted here and just really feel fortunate to end up in such a cultured city, and one that has
as much to offer as it does, and we're proud to, uh, to take part in the ways that we have, um,
with this board. So I'll pass it over to Jerri next, if you want to talk about yourself.
MacConnell: Hi, I moved to Iowa City from Spencer, Iowa, in 2012. I'm originally from Cleveland,
Ohio, and that's where I had my professional experience. I was a psychiatric social worker.
Um, I also ... I'm married, I just got married in September, and we live at Ecumenical Towers. I
really love being downtown. Um, it's... since quarantine it was real quiet last year, but I'm
anxious for the festivities to start again cause all I have to do is walk half a block!
Selmer: And, Jerri, how long have you been serving on the board (mumbled)
MacConnell: I just started in June, I think June of 2020.
Selmer: Um, one of our longer volunteer serving members, um, somebody that's both been chair and
vice chair and chair again. Um, we're glad he's part of this board. Orville, if you could
introduce yourself please?
Townsend: My name is Orville Townsend, and I came to our city in 1962 on a football scholarship and
after graduating from the University, uh, I worked with vocational rehabilitation services for
40... working with citizens with disabilities for 42 years, and the last 20 of those years I
supervised the Iowa City area office located here in our city, and basically I've been very active.
I've been on the School Board. I've been on the Judicial Committee, and I'm currently on my
second term, uh, here on the Police Review Board, and I love Iowa City, it's my home and I'm
very protective of it.
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Selmer: And, Amanda, if you could please introduce yourself, and let us know about your term on the
board.
Nichols: Um, I've been on the board for just under a year. I've lived in Iowa City for 21 years. I've
worked at the University Hospital for almost 15 years now. I actually have two terms starting
there in September, and I'm the Director of Corridor Community Action Network,
Selmer: Great. We also have other Members, um, part of the CPRB. Um, our legal counsel Pat Ford.
Pat, do you want to say something real quick?
Ford: Sure, thanks, David. Yeah, Pat Ford's my name. I am partner at the Left Law Firm here in Iowa
City. I'm one of those guys that's not very unusual in the fact that I came to go to school at Iowa
and never left Iowa City. I think there are a lot of us around. So I am independent counsel for
the board, I'm not an employee of the City.
Selmer: Great. For those of you that aren't familiar with the CPRB, I'll now give a small summary of
what it is that the board is responsible for. We are a five -member panel currently. One of our
members will hopeftilly be joining us shortly. We are volunteers. We get appointed, but there's
no pay or anything related to our ...our carrying out of our duties. We were established basically
to provide a complaint process into claims of Iowa City police misconduct. It allows an avenue
for civilians to make a complaint to someone other than the police department or also have their
complaints to the police department be reviewed by a panel of their member civilians, making
sure basically that the Iowa City police having looked into it and deemed whether or not there
was misconduct that occurred into a particular case, um, is what they did was fair, thorough,
and an accurate investigation of that. The Chief of police and the... and/or the City Manager be
the ones that would be the ones who would make a final determination, um, as to whether or not
misconduct took place and how to carry that, uh, carry that out. We would review that, um,
after they filed report with us and decide whether or not, again, that we thought that was fair,
thorough, and accurate. A complaint to the board is basically just an allegation of misconduct
against a police officer, um, and as far as the ultimate disposition and discipline presently, that
lies exclusively with the Chief of police and the City Manager. Ours is more just as to opine
whether or not the investigation was thorough and whether or not the misconduct occurred and
took place. Besides that, we review police policies, procedures, and practices. There is an
independent auditor that helps, um, look into the policies and the compliance already in place
for the City of Iowa City Police Department and as a consequence, they are reviewing a lot of
the policies and we are on that same schedule. We reviewed them for the changes. Um, our
power is basically just to recommend modifications to them. We make certain
recommendations to the Chief or to the City Council, and we hope that some of those get
enacted. It's usually a back and forth dialogue exchange with the Chief of police to try to align
our interests and explain why we want certain changes of policies. We are not a court of law.
We are not supposed to be a substitute for any form of legal action against the police department
of the City. People can still file civil claims in court against those officers, um, and we're only
limited to civil administrative review powers. We have no power or...or authority over any
criminal matters, or like I said before, any kind of police discipline. We are merely just
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supposed to be reviewing and kind of sounding the alarm, um, shining a bright light, uh, in
areas that we think need attention, and we do that by filing, presently, just filing a public report.
Um, all of our reports you can review online, and every year we publish a number of sustained
complaints or non- sustained complaints, um, so you can track that. Um, other things that we
do presently that we've been expanding some of our, uh, our oversight would include going into
certain types of excessive force matters and looking into whether or not those were, um, the
things that we wanted to examine more closely, or if there's any policies or trends that we can,
um, we can glean from the information that is shared with us on a regular basis. Then we, uh,
we can open up some of those complaints ourselves. When we do have a chance to review a
complaint, we can set several levels for review. Uh, those include using just what the police
departments provided to us, um, with no additional investigation, interviewing complainants,
interviewing witnesses, all the way up to hiring our own independent investigator, we ... if we
determine that that's necessary. Those are our levels of review and again it comes down to
sustained are not sustained as far as what the Chief has done. If we agree with the Chief, then
that's basically what our report consists of and it stays there. Recently we have amended our
ordinance so that if we disagree with the Chief of police or the City Manager, we have a chance
to meet with them and see if we can't get them to, um, if we can align our ...our decisions and try
and talk through why we have a, uh, discrepancy in how we viewed this action. Um, and, uh,
and then again, we would include that in our report. So that's a little bit of a thorough, uh,
explanation of who we are and what we do. I'm one of the members that serves a four-year
term, as I said before, and if you want to file (mumbled) more ... more of what we are or who we
are, I'd encourage you go to icgov.org or just type in Community Police Review Board of Iowa
City and you should have access therein to our web page that has a lot of our updates on public
meetings, agendas, contact information, as well as you know, more information about the board
members and some of our duties, again, as well as our bylaws, which is where our powers come
from, our standard operating procedures, and any of our forum summaries, or public complaint
reports, as well as annual reports are all provided to you (dog barking, mumbled) Sorry about
that (laughs) Zoom is a funny time when you got dogs. So, um, I want to remind the audience
that this is a public forum, which is a public record and it's being recorded for rebroadcast on
City Channel 4. Now I'd like to, uh, read in some of the correspondences. So we have received
a couple of correspondences related to this forum that I'd like to ... (mumbled) one second here.
Okay, so our first correspondence I'm going to be reading is from Brad Guyer. I sent this April
11'h, um, to the Community Police Review Board. He says almost every day there are more
stories about officer involved shootings and thankful nothing tragic happened in Iowa City yet.
Reading the requirements listed in a recent Iowa City police officer job posting, there is no
mention of general protect and serve model of policedom or otherwise requiring basic conflict
resolution or de-escalation techniques for the job. He asks, why not add protect and serve the
community or add a preference to candidates having conflict resolution or de-escalation
training. It would publicly show that the next generation of officers are expected to maintain
the high standards of the current force and potentially prevent a tragic situation from occurring.
The response that we have is from our Chief Liston. Uh, he wrote back, I appreciate the
comment and agree that de-escalation skills are essential. We provide initial and annual training
in de-escalation techniques to all of our staff. It is a critical component of the 40-hour crisis
intervention training that all ICPD officers attend. Any formal training in de-escalation would
This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City CPRB community forum of
May 17, 2021.
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undoubtedly be viewed as a plus for our potential hires, respectfully. Our second
correspondence we have is from Temple Hiatt, sent May 10, 2021. She writes, due to the State
(mumbled) local control, Iowa's county and city governments can no longer designate county
and city properties, excluding schools, as gun -free spaces, unless there is an armed guard
present and a metal detector screening process. How do we notify the public that these spaces,
library, recreation centers, government offices, are no longer gun -free spaces, and how do we
protect city, county employees? Thank you, Temple Hiatt. Can I have a motion to accept the
correspondence?
Consider Motion to Accept Correspondence and/or Documents:
Townsend: So moved.
Selmer: Moved by Townsend. Can I get a second?
MacConnell: Second.
Selmer: Seconded by MacConnell. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say nay. The ayes
have it. Before we go on to Item number four, meet the police Chief, um, did we want to ... does
anybody want to address... Chief you otherwise (mumbled) uh, that final correspondence?
Liston: Sure, David, thanks for the opportunity. Unfortunately I received that email, um, before I got a
chance to respond it had already been posted. So I believe I've talked to Temple about this
before. I know she has some strong concerns about that. Unfortunately we don't have any
control over those laws, whether they're gun -free zones or not. We just ... our job is to enforce
the current laws that are on the book, and we'll do everything we can. As far as how do we
notify, uh, people that those facilities are no longer weapons -free or gun -free zones, we don't. I
think that would be on the ... whoever's managing that facility to do that, but, um, I had this
conversation I think at the last CPRB (garbled) about the, um, we certainly have to address the
gun culture in Iowa. Um, the laws ... you no longer need a license to carry anymore, so that's
something that's certainly, uh, something we are concerned with, and we just have to make sure
we're enforcing current laws (garbled) to the best of our ability to protect the people.
Selmer: Thanks. Anybody else want to comment on that correspondence? Okay. Then without further
ado I'm going to introduce Chief Liston. If you would kindly go and tell us more about your
background and how it is that we came lucky enough to have you as our Chief here in Iowa
City. That'd be great!
Meet the New Police Chief Liston:
Liston: Thanks again, David. Unfortunately, some of you guys have probably heard this. In fact I
think Orville could probably give my introduction better than I can. I think he's heard it so
many times, but, um, I was born and raised in Iowa. I grew up in Eldora, and I moved to Iowa
City in 93 to go the University of Iowa and I was at the University from 93 to 97. In 97 I did an
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internship with the Iowa City Police Department, and that was my first formal experience with
law enforcement, and I was very impressed with the department at that time and it really made
an impression. Uh, my brother, from Iowa as well, had gotten a job in El Paso, Texas, which is
in far west Texas on the Mexican border, in... for the El Paso Police Department. He invited me
to go down and live with him, rent free I might add, and try to get on the department, so that's
what I did, and I started the El Paso Police Academy in the fall of 97, and I spent my entire
career there until 2020 when I retired as a lieutenant. At the time I was the Director of a Fusion
Center that was run by the El Paso Police Department. What a Fusion Center is is a multi -
agency intelligence operation. There are 80 fusion centers in the country right now. There's
one in Iowa, it's in Des Moines. Texas has eight. Um, so that's what I ... that's where I was when
I left. When I was in Iowa City, I fell in love with the city and the community and always was
looking for the opportunity to get back. So I ... I am a big Hawkeye fan, so I obviously followed
Iowa sports and followed local politics. When I noticed that Chief Matherly was retiring, I
thought it was a good opportunity. I was a point in my career in El Paso where I could look for
other opportunities, so I put my name in the hat and about eight months later my wife, uh, a
native El Pasoan and my two children moved to Iowa in the dead of winter, and so that was a
shock to the system, but we're all very happy to be here. It's ... it's really important to me to be in
a community that I was familiar with, that I really care about, and it's... it's... it's a real privilege
to be back and to serve in this community.
Open Discussion Regarding the Proposed Changes to the CPRB and the Restructuring of the
Police Department Toward More Community Policing:
Selmer: Great, well welcome back again and we're glad to have you here. We will now turn to Item
number five on the agenda, which is an open discussion regarding the proposed changes to the
CPRB and the restructuring the police department towards more community policing. To give
some background, the City Council had requested a report and recommendations from the
CPRB regarding changes to the CPR ordinance, that might enhance our ability to provide
effective civilian oversight to the Iowa. City Police Department. So in response to that, the
board members, the five of us, worked very hard to navigate a lot of the challenges that large
changes into ordinances would entail, as one can imagine, and to discuss amongst ourselves
various solutions to come to accord wherever we could, um, and we ultimately resolved to
having 13 recommendations we made to the board. I will go through them very quickly, um, in
summary form as to familiarize people with what they are and kind of give an update on the
status of where those are. The first one we repurposed was that in instances of a sustained
misconduct complaint, meaning that there was a complaint that the CPRB and the police
decided there was misconduct that took place. The CPRB should also be given information
about the corresponding discipline, and that we also be allowed to include in our report findings
on whether discipline is reasonable and fair. As it stands right now, as I said in the introduction,
we are only opining as to whether or not discipline took place, or I'm sorry, whether or not
misconduct took place, and whether or not we agreed or disagreed, sustained or didn't sustain,
um, with the findings of the Chief of police, or the City Manager. Now we are asking for that
authority to be expanded so that we can also opine on the discipline and we'd be provided some
of that information. On Mar...(garbled) on March 23'd, in response to our proposal, the City
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Council requested that they have time to conduct a legal analysis. On April 16th we requested a
time estimate from the City to see where we were in regards to that change. On April 22nd the
City Attorney said their analysis was on hold until the State legislature acts on amendments to
Iowa Code, Chapter 80-F, which they, um, our pot....our...our, um, posturing that would answer
the legislative authority, um, without necessarily having an ordinance change for us and address
those directly. Then we go on to Item number two that we requested, related to number one but
broken out. We requested that we shall have the authority to request City Council have a
disciplinary hearing. Our thought on this was that if we are reviewing the discipline, um,
assuming misconduct was found and we disagreed with what that discipline was going to be,
um, we wanted to do something besides be the administrators of that discipline, and instead
maybe ask the City Council themselves to have a full -on hearing, uh, so that they might be the
ones that could determine whether or not the discipline that the Chief or the City Manager
was ... was warranted and was fair and reasonable. Similar timelines on this, um, we ... they
requested legal review and presently when we asked them for the update on that on April 22nd
they said it's on hold, waiting on Iowa Code (mumbled) which would, um, reportedly address
this directly. Proposal number three, we asked that an accused officer be required to comply
with CPR investigation or be disciplined by the Chief of police and the City Manager. As it
stands right now, we can ask the individual officers as part of our level of review to ... to partake
in the interview as to the incident, and they can decline to partake in it, um, similarly with a
name clearing hearing, which is ... if we are going to find, um, discipline, if we're going to find
that the officer, um, committed misconduct rather, um, if we're gonna find that that took place,
then we have to give the officer a name clearing hearing. I think in most instances the board
would like to speak with the officer and personally they can decline to attend that name clearing
hearing, as well, and to give any reports. We're asking that basically that it'd be written into
their duties if they have to comply with the CR... CPRB request. We are in a similar state, uh,
for status on that one, as we work the others. Our fourth request was that a complainant shall
have the right to respond to the Chief's findings and the Chief's report, before the CPRB shall
conduct its investigation. So, in other words, um, you'll recall that I said that the complainant
could file a complaint and then the police Chief in this ... or the City Manager, would file a
report, um, its findings of fact for us to review. Um, and we wait for that report to be filed
before we undergo our own investigation. And the proposal we're proposing right now is that
that... those findings would also be given back to the complainant themselves, so that they might
be able to clarify or review it and ... and, um, let us know if there's anything else that got
overlooked in the ... in what the Chief did, uh, or what the Chief categorized it as (mumbled) On
April 14th, the City Attorney drafted that for approval, um, and those will be presented, uh, were
presented to City Council on May 4th and that part of it was approved. Part of that is that the
online database officer complaints shall be improved to offer quick (mumbled) complaint
history, and a computerized risk management system to analyze trends, and, um, that again is
basically just to allow us to have ... have quicker access to make sure there aren't officers that are
repeat offenders, um, so that we can also look into trends and see if there is a pattern of certain
demographics, uh, that are being, um, more subjective to misconduct and those type of things,
and having an online database of that, urn, that is quickly searchable, not just by us but maybe
on our website for everyone, uh, would ... we think would help with the ... with those type of
analysis is taking place and putting the right procedures in place to ... to curb them where needed.
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The sixth one is that all complaints of misconduct shall be included in the police department's
monthly disclosures to the CPRB. So we talked at the beginning that we have certain
complaints that we get to review, and those are the ones that come in straight to the CPRB. We
are now asking that we be given all of the complaints, both the ones that were brought right to
the CPRB and also those that were filed just with the police department. The Chief, upon
hearing this request, agreed to it, and so we are already moving forward with that one since
April. The seventh one that we asked for was that the CPRB should be provided with additional
information in the police department quarterly reports to review for certain trends. Again,
what ... some of the things we were looking for on this had to do with the number of arrests, um,
and the type of arrests, the type of stops, um, dealing mostly with demographics, um, following
racial trends and those types of concerns that we have. Uh, this one, like the other one, was
discussed with the Chief and the Chief agreed to it, and so we are already implementing that
since April. The eighth one is that the CPRB should have the authority to hire an independent
auditor to review the police department's internal investigation procedures. We assign this to
(mumbled) task to a subcommittee. What we were looking for was basically for us to have
someone come in and, um, analyze all of the policies and whether or not the policies were
written fairly and accurately and ... or compliance with them was being conducted fairly and
accurately. Um, upon closer inspections, we have learned the CPRB (mtunbled) auditing
system within the ... the, uh, or an independent auditor that exists already, um, is already
effective, and we are very satisfied with the independence of that auditor, and we are
withdrawing that request for additional authority. The ninth one is that the CPRB shall be
provided City funding to promote awareness of the CPRB and enhance accessibility to it
services. Um, we're looking for various things here, including just more advertising; letting
more people in the community know who we are, what we're doing, um, and to try to explain
some of -some of our roles within the community. Also looking to relatedly, um, item number
10, access to a lawyer and social worker, um, somewhat medical professional, uh, trauma
awareness training to kind of assist with... assist complainants throughout the complaint process,
whether it be filling out appropriate forms or just to handle some of the stress and trauma that
equates itself with going through something, a perceived complaint, whether it be something
that might be sustained or not. So that was something that we wanted to bring through. We
have asked that one and City Council requested legal review on that. We are on hold for all
those, until Iowa Code, Chapter 80-F. The City also asked us for a proposed budget on that.
Um, they're trying to work with us on it, and we have developed into subcommittees to try to
solicit to various organizations within the community, to see if they would take up this task, and
also what their financing would look like for such services that they might provide. We've got
three more to get through, so I'm sorry if this is a little bit boring. Um, the 1 lth one is the
expand the membership of the of CPRB from five to seven or nine members. Um, what we
wanted to do there is put an emphasis on minority representation, and also a representation from
a current or former member of the police or a police policy expert. I think it, um, it can't be
understated that we are volunteers that have some training that we take on through here
voluntarily, at times, but a lot of times we are not professional. Um, obviously we're not trained
with all of the police procedures or personnel, um, being a police policy expert, or a current or
former member of the police on here to help assist us with that, besides just the Chief, who has
always, um, allowed us to ask him various questions and (garbled) on what the policy is and
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why it's in that place, and try and give us a police perspective from it. It's... would be essential,
and obviously the minority representation, um, in like a (garbled) much of that involvement as
we can for minorities, so we can get their perspective, make sure that their interests are being
fairly represented in our community review here. That one is being passed by the City
Attorney. I would say on that one that... especially in recent times, there ... it's been very
laborious for... for our members, and we spend hours and hours, um, on a lot of these issues that
have come up, including what we're going over right now. We are restricted a little bit on our
five members to only meeting as a quorum, um, or not meeting as a quorum, which means that
we only get subcommittees of two people, and then we have to re -report, so having seven or
nine members is actually, um, really fruitful in the sense that we could have larger
subcommittees, and a lot more meetings without having the quorum requirements in place. Last
two, the 12th one is that CPRB complainant should be permitted (garbled) filed anonymously or
through third persons, so long as there is sufficient knowledge of the underlying circumstances.
What we're looking for there is basically the fear of retaliation, I think can be present, um, and
we don't want people to feel as if by coming forward that they're going to feel some of that
retaliation, or maybe it's too personal for them, um, so they don't want their names, um, on
there, we do (mumbled) as best we can to protect both the identities of the officers and the
individuals alike, but, um, we feel that, you know, so in some cases, filing something
anonymously is ... is, uh, there's good justification for that, and we should permit it, with the
exception of they have to prove that there is sufficient knowledge, personal knowledge of the
underlying circumstances, which is kind of a safeguard check against frivolous cases being
filed. That one was requesting legal review, but (garbled) March. Um, we requested a time
estimate, and it was told to us that it would be dependent on legislator acts on amendments to
Iowa Code, Chapter 80-F. The last one is simply a statute limitations extension. As it stands
right now, there is 90 days after the date of the alleged misconduct for you to file, for a person
to file a, uh, complaint. We just wanted that bumped to 180 days, um, and that was approved,
um (garbled) 2021, uh, presentation. So that's where we stand right now. There's, uh... a lot
of...a lot of thought and consideration went into each of these, and we'd be happy to answer
questions about why we implemented those or made those requests, um, and maybe didn't make
others or drew the lines where we drew them. I could tell you there was ... days and special
meetings of..of discussions, um, you know, where we went back and forth on a lot of this and,
um, it probably isn't perfect and there's still room for lots of changes, as we're all kind of
changing in, um, in our community right now, but I do think that we've made some really good
strides here and I'm proud of being part of this program as we're making some of these
proposals and seeing where things go. So with that, um, we'll have a public discussion, with us.
Um, I'll ask if you are participating on Zoom from your computer, you can use the raise your
hand button and you will be called on to speak. If you called in by phone, you can press *9 to
raise your hand. We'd ask that you limit your comments to three to five minutes, depending on
how many people we have. We might be able to take additional comments, um, if ..if it wraps
up rather soon. When you do comment, please state your first and last name, and please
remi... remember that we are being broadcast on television, being recording. At this time I'll
turn it over to the public.
Public Discussion with Community Police Review Board:
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Selmer: Hello, Temple, how are you?
Hiatt: Good evening, I'm good. My name is Temple Hiatt. I'm a resident here in Iowa City. I'm also a
member of, uh, or a volunteer with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. And
some volunteers in our Johnson County group have been reading through the preliminary plan
recommendations, um, and seeing if the ... the content actually aligns with a policing policy, um,
that our ...our policy making arm, um, Every Town, has created, and I have a couple of questions
on that and I... if this isn't the appropriate forum or if there's someone else that can ... can help
with that, um, would be happy to ... to follow up there, but you mentioned, um, tracking some
more demographics with regard to, um, use of force and one of the things, um, that they want to
make sure with the data that's being tracked is....um, if there would be (mumbled) you
obviously have a lot of published regular reports about officer use of force, um, and
miscontac... misconduct investigations, but do those reports include victim race... and I ... I don't
recall seeing a, um, column for that data and just wanted to see if that was going to be part of,
um, the database that you, um, referred to earlier, that was going to be created. And then also,
um, in just reading through some of the information about the reporting, um, again, just seeing
if this aligns with the ... with the Every Town Policing Policy. Uh, do ... do the reports of..of
shootings and other use of force inc ... incidents actually get reported to the FBI?
Selmer: As far as the demographics and reporting goes, yes, that ... that is, um (mumbled) some of the
things that we've asked for, um, to be included in the reports. Chief, do you want to take it on
with the FBI?
Liston: Sure, that ... all of that is reported, and we currently do ... use of force does track race, as well, so
you'll see that the public can certainly see it on the next annual report. Um, we're working on
the rough draft of that, it should be out soon, but that is currently tracked.
Hiatt: Thank you very much.
Townsend: (mumbled) I have a question. (garbled) Can you hear me? David, can you hear me?
Selmer: Yes, go ahead.
Townsend: I have a question. Uh, we did in our recommendation, one of the deals was that the
information not only be made available, that we collect, not only be available to ... to the board,
but we were talking about creating a cloud so that public would have access to it too. You
know, where are we with that?
Selmer: I know all of our reports and things are accessible on our database, or on our online website
presently, so if people have an interest in ... in having access to the reports that we're receiving,
which would include the use of force and those type of demographics we were talking about,
those are all published there. Um, so (mumbled) the cloud and online database system that
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we're trying to get up in place is still being reviewed and under ADF, um, hopefully we'll have
some more legal room for some of that.
Townsend: Thank you.
Broxton: How's it going, can you hear me?
Selmer: Good evening, Mr. Broxton.
Broxton: So I have several questions, I guess ... would you like me to ask them one by one or give them
all to you at once?
Selmer: Whatever you think is best. We can try by, you know, all at once, and then we can kind of take
maybe a little bit of time.
Broxton: Okay. So, um (garbled) somewhere where I can find this list of 13 request that you guys
have?
Selmer: I believe those are... are... on our online website. If they're not, we will make those available to
you.
Broxton: I looked. I couldn't find it. I'm sorry. Um, those 13 request that you guys have, what are
some other... are your priorities right now? I did hear that some of them are approved, like
extending the 90 days of an accused action, so 180. Um, just ... can you just tell me about some
of those that are your priorities?
Townsend: (mumbled)
Selmer: Yeah, I agree, Orville, um, they are all priorities, and we had originally about 25 or 26, I think,
that we kind of culled down. And ... and most of what we were looking for are ... are all right now
on all 13, each one of them are important for various reasons, and we think would improve and
enhance the system, you know. Um, certainly I think ... I ... I would let the board members speak
for themselves, but for me it would be, um, having some review of the discipline, um, and being
able to opine as to whether or not we think that the discipline is carried out because right now as
a system sits and has sat since I've been on this board. We might all agree that misconduct took
place and that's the end of it. That's all that the ... that the board serves to ... to say in its report is
that the investigation was thorough, the misconduct was found, and we would agree, um, but we
have no idea if the discipline resulting is, you know, a one day, you know, administrative leave
or if it's termination, and we don't get access or privy to any of that information, and that's not,
um, that's right now prohibited by...by law, and so it's not as if, um, that's just being withheld
from us because the Chief doesn't want to share that with us. It's ... it's prohibited, um, and so
we're asking basically to ... to amend that and and allow us to have that type of information, um,
and that's... that's a major one for me, and I think would really give another peace of mind to the
civilians that we are ... we are watching what is happening when misconduct has been reported
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and then it's being, um, being dealt with fairly and accurately. (mumbled) if anybody else wants
to opine on that one.
Broxton: I'll throw out my second question, if no one else wants to chime in. Um, how involved is the
Citizens Police Review Board in the restructuring of the police department plan? I know you
guys have your 13 recommendations, your 13 request right now, but are you involved in any
other aspect when it comes to reforming the police department?
Selmer: Our ...what we do that's kind of related to that, um, and we're not ... I would say we are limited
only by what our ordinance allows us to do, which again allows us to review complaints and
also review policies that are in place and make recommendations on those policies as to how to
change them. Um, we also do an oversight review of general trends like we discussed, and
outside of those three things we don't really have any powers. But kind of related to your
question, we do have that power to make recommendations to policies and so we're ... we're
reviewing those constantly, um, on every meeting and making various suggestions and having
exchanges with the Chief of police as to whether or not we think that those are aligned with our
community goals and values, and whether or not there's room for improvement and some other
changes that we can make. A ... an example of one would be the domestic violence statute. We
asked that some of the protections that State law had (garbled) fortified and written right into
the policy directly for domestic violence, if an officer committed domestic violence on the force
and the repercussions will happen there. Another one, for example, would be we are currently
reviewing and looking for perhaps an ordinance change on the general orders for body worn
cameras and what happens if an officer deactivates the body worn cameras, um, while you're
supposed to have it on according the policy. We also presently this (garbled) last meeting
(garbled) observed it. We are in the middle of, um, with the subcommittee, uh, with Miss
Nichols making some proposals towards the general overall policy and overarching goals of the
police department, but they're very much confined to recommendations within those policies
only.
Townsend: David, I would just like to come in on that also. You know, I think it's important that the
public understand that it's ... it's the ... you have to look at the mentality that you have in your
approach, and you know, our approach is not that the police department's no good. I mean I'm
speaking for myself as a member, you know, it's that I'm not feeling that the police department's
no good, and we should just chunk it. I'm approaching it with the fact that its not perfect, and
you know, some ... and with it not being perfect, some citizens may not be getting fair treatment.
The question is, what can we do to improve that situation, and I think the things that we're
putting in place, you know, basically gives more access and to ... to us ... and we're trying to give
more access and accessibility to the public, but the bottom line is if people know that they're
doing something wrong, that's one thing, but if they know that they're (garbled) wrong and that
they're being watched, that's a totally different scenario, and I think that's what we're trying to
be. Like if we've got some police that aren't doing things that ... the way they should be done,
then let's put some things in place that will offset that.
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Broxton: I have one more question, then I'll shut up. This is for the Chief. Um, what do you make of
Council Member Laura Bergus' comments last week about abolishing the police department,
and what has it, I know you only started in January, but just, um, how caught up are you with all
these changes that are going on, and what are you optimistic about, maybe pessimistic about?
Liston: Well I try to avoid commenting directly on individual comments from Council Members, but I
will say I had a conversation with Councilor Bergus before she published her editorial and, um,
I'm optimistic about a lot of things. One of the things I'm optimistic about is the support from
the community. We've seen a great deal of support, um, and listen, my eyes are wide open. We
know no police department is perfect, but I'm proud of the Iowa City Police Department. I
think we're... we've been ahead of the curve for a long time. This board is an example of that.
This isn't common in most cities, so that's what I'm optimistic about and I'm optimistic about
the community. I know it's a very engaged community. You can see the number of attendees at
this forum. That ... that gives me optimism that people really care about the police department
and care about the community and want to make positive changes that impact everyone.
Coulter: Yes, I want to begin by saying how much good the CPRB has done. You're... you're working
very well. Also I've had over the years considerable contact with the police department in a
positive way, in terms of their being sensitive to issues in the community, but I do want to raise
several issues that I think the CPRB, as well as other... others, such as the Human Rights
Commission and other community organizations, should look into... these are ... these are three
issues. One is qualified immunity. People need to understand what that means. I think the
police department, the City, needs to create a situation where everyone understands what
qualified immunity means. The second is that there are a number of recommendations that
were made by the OIR independent review. These are fairly considerable. They focus mainly
on the problems from last summer, uh, and the use of tear gas and other means to break up the
demonstrations that were taking place, and I think the OIR independent review
recommendations are certainly something that all of us need to become better familiar with.
Finally, there's the City Manager's plan for enhancing the community police, uh, and making it
more of a community piece. These... that... that's... there's a number of recommendations in there
that I think the CPRB, as well as the police department, as well as the public and other elements
in our community need to address. With that ... with those three issues I'll conclude, and again, I
appreciate how much the CPRB has done and how hard the police department is working and
the City Manager to improve and hove towards community policing. Thank you.
Bryant: Hello, my name is Susan Bryant. I'm a resident of the east side of Iowa City. I'm also a
volunteer with Moms Demand Action. I have two areas of questions, please. One is the
responsibility of the CPRB for either recommending or reviewing policy and procedures of the
police department, and I was wondering if that recommendation or review authority is restricted
to only those policies and procedures that relate to off ...officer behavior or if it extends to any or
all policy and procedures of the department?
Selmer: (mumbled) um, so we review policies and procedures for all general orders, um, that pop up
and, um, we are basically... it's a scheduled cycle that we go through (dog barking, mumbled)
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can also spontaneously or on our own raise, um, issues and recently, for example, we ... we re -
raised the issue of the body worn cameras, um, and are making adjustments to those.
Bryant: Okay, thank you. My second question regards one of the recommendations, which would
include additional communication about the CPRB to the public, and I was wondering if there,
um, or is any kind of communication plan that has been developed for that recommendation,
and would like to suggest or recommend that some kind of tracking system be posted online for
the status of the recommendations, so the public knows which recommendations are still
pending and why, um, which recommendations have been accepted, and particularly helpful, I
think, would be indication as to which or what State law and change in Iowa Code is impacting
positively or negatively the implementation of a particular recommendation?
Townsend: David, uh, in response to that question, that seems like that's the information our report that
the City Council should release.
Selmer: I think it's noted that you're asking for more public disclosure of where we stand and more
readily accessible public disclosure of where we stand on our ...our 13 proposals that we have
presently, or perhaps I'm mistaken, Miss Bryant. Are are you asking about where we stand on
our review of individual general orders, as they come up?
Bryant: I think both would be helpful.
Selmer: On our agendas that are posted every time, there includes both the policies that we're going to
be reviewing and the ... the changes to the ordinances that are proposed, and then we have
our ...our open discussion. This is all open to the public, so people know. When we have not
resolved it, it gets carried forth to usually old business, um, and we post it there, or maybe even
under new business, if we want to raise something new, um, and so you'll see those on the
agendas as they work their way through. Um, and essentially until we resolve it you'll see those
line items on our agendas all the way through. Ultimately, when we resolve it, so to speak, just
so you were clear, we are not legislators. We are just malting recommendations, um, that don't
necessarily have to be followed, and so those recommendations would also be public and you'd
be able to see those as we disclose our ...our monthly reports.
Bryant: Okay, thank you.
Kauble: Hi, can you hear me? Hello.
Selmer: (garbled) Kauble, hello. How are you?
Kauble: Hi, um, I'm okay. Um, I have one thing that I would like to comment on. I was just wondering
about the relationship between the Iowa City Police Department and the Iowa State Patrol. Ion
not sure if this would be the proper forum for that, but I think it's an issue that definitely needs
to be raised, because I mean out of all of the police agencies in the State of Iowa, State Patrol
are definite bad actors. You can see that from the June 3rd tear gassing to June 6th when the
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protesters were trying to march on the interstate were told that they were going to be sent home
in coffins. And as ... as can be seen from the tear gassing on June 3'a, the State Patrol were
clearly behind that and they didn't partake in the inquiry into that. And so I would just like to
know, um, what's being done to make sure that the Iowa Sta... that the Iowa City Police
Department is not aiding the State Patrol in the terrible things that they're doing. Um, so that's
my comment and question. Thank you.
Selmer: Chief, do you want to handle that one?
Liston: Sure. As most of us are aware, the Iowa State Patrol has jurisdiction statewide, and that
includes the City of Iowa City. So whenever there is an incident, similar to what there was
during the summer, there's usually a unified command where leaders from all the agencies, or
supervisors from all the agencies, get together and try to make decisions as a unified group, and
then the ... the final decision depends on who has overall authority, and as you guys know, the
State Patrol has the authority over the interstate, so they're probably going to be the ones
making that decision, and then it's up to the rest of the unified command to work with them and
figure out the best way that we can accomplish the mission. So all of that was covered in the
OIR report, and as Dan mentioned, uh, for whatever reasons, State Patrol didn't participate in
that, but the other agencies in the community did.
Townsend: Ali, Chief, I have a question related to, uh, the incident that happened last June, you know
it, and the report that we got back from (mumbled) we got, uh, some interesting information,
and one thing it...it highlighted is that when you have a situation where you've got multiple
organizations working together, but you've got one specific organization that's in control, a
question that I have is that we train our officers and basically I think we do a good job in
focusing on right and wrong. In a situation where orders are given by the organization in
control, but it appears there's no ... that's not fair to the public or it's inappropriate, do our ...do
our officers have the right to basically disregard it or because it's a cooperative agreement, are
we obligated to have our officers to go along with something that may not be the best practice?
Liston: Well you're putting me on the spot, Orville, but as you know, I'm working on the response to
the... you asked for follow up on those complaints, and I think I have about another month to get
that done, but I want you to know I'm working on it, but I can tell you generally speaking, not
talking about specific incidents, you guys are well aware of our duty to intervene policy. And
so we do have that as policy and including everyone in the County has that. So if they see
something that they think is illegal, they are ... an officer or someone using excessive force, they
have a duty or requirement to intervene. So we do have that, but as far as the June 3rd
specifics, still working on that and we'll have them for you at the end of next month.
Townsend: Thank you.
Hiatt: Hi, I am ... I just had a couple of follow up questions regarding the ... the personnel early warning
system, um, part of the Every Town policy recommends deploying formal to ... tools to identify
officers who pose a risk of serious misconduct, um, and encourage counseling, retraining,
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reassignment, or intensive supervision. So I'm ... I'm just ... would like you to elaborate on the
personnel early warning system and I'd also like to know if the Community Police Review
Board has any, um, involvement in that outside of, you know, specific complaints regarding use
of force.
Liston: Well that's a good topic, Temple. Thanks for bringing that up. One of the things that we do and
that's partly through our accreditation unit, which was the organization ... it's an organization
called CALEA, and they are the the outfit that Chair Selmer had mentioned as our outside
auditor, and they make sure our policies are in line and that we are following the policies, and
that's one of them, the early warning system, that we have to, uh, create a report, I believe its
quarterly, on tracking the number of complaints or the issues or uses of force that certain
officers have, which would get us ... give us ... some people call them red flag, um, and how we
address those. So we certainly subscribe by the early warning system, and we are following
that. I don't ... I'm not familiar with CPRB being involved in that. David, maybe you can chime
in.
Selmer: Yeah, we are only reviewing the policies and compliance. We don't have any ...if someone
were, for example, part of that early warning system, we don't get that as a misconduct type
review, complaint, or anything presently. I think one of the things that we are doing, that we've
proposed, is to have better online tracking and a better database for misconduct against officers.
They're all assigned an individual number, and it should be easy enough for us to implement a
quick research tracking system so that if there is repeat offenders, um, then to kind of pattern
forming we would be able to identify quicker, and then we can, as part of our proposals, ask for
a separate review of that, um, and make (mumbled) recommendations. Again, it comes down to
just making recommendations, but at least it would be something that we could highlight more
publicly.
Townsend: David, I have a question and a request. You know, we had one of our recommendations
asks for, uh, to have an audit and then after we talked to the Chief, we discovered that they
already have an audit, and you know, by the way, thanks, Chief, for making it available to us.
You know, it really answered a lot of questions, but my...now my question is is that can ... if we
haven't done it already, can we fix it so that instead of our audit that we automatically, the
Police Review Board automatically gets a copy whenever it is done of the, uh, the audit that the
department does.
Selmer: Yes, I'll just clarify a couple of things. We knew that there was an audit procedure, most of us
did. It was just one of those and whether or not we wanted a separate, independent one that just
the CPRB could implement and instigate. Upon further review, I think we satisfied all of the
members that the audit agency that is already taking place is independent enough and is
carrying out the same goals that the CPRB would have its own independent investigator do. We
spoke with the Chief of police and he's already agreed to disclose that. It has made those
disclosures to us of that annual auditing report, and so we have that present.
Townsend: Chief, how often do, uh, you all have that audit done?
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Liston: It is an ongoing process. The formal audit, that large document that you guys received, that's
four years, but it's an ongoing thing. I'll have to check to see how often they ...if they provide an
annual report, but it's constant. That ... that's part of the schedule of the general orders that you
receive as well. We have a schedule where we constantly are reviewing orders and making
sure they're still up to speed.
Townsend: And my question is is that in the future, can we fix it so that becomes a part of the
procedure, where whenever that's made available, that the Police Review Board automatically
gets a co ... continue to get a copy of that?
Liston: Yep, we'll get ... we'll get to you what we get.
Hiatt: Chief Liston, I just have a clarification. Um, the ... the personnel early warning system, does that
process include counseling, retraining, potential reassignment, or some form of inte... intensive
supervision, where applicable?
Liston: Yes, ma'am.
Hiatt: Okay, thank you very much.
Bryant: Excuse me, I was ... I was muted, um yes, this is Susan Bryant with one very quick question I
hope. It is really comforting to live in a community that has the CPR ... CPRB, and I was just
wondering if there were any national association, national standards for a community police
review board, or if it is very...very idiosyncratic to each community that actually has one.
Nichols: I have not been able to find anything like that. I've looked a little bit. I think it's very
individualized.
Bryant: Okay, thank you.
Selmer: It is individualized, but I do think that more recently there's been a lot of...a lot of suggestions
and organizations that are stepping forth and making proposals, um, and we've all kind of relied
on some of those, uh, mostly through internet searches and others, um, including looking into
other cities like Cedar Rapids and ... and their quest for developing, um, developing a community
police review board. So I think that there is some of those that are accessible. I certainly relied
on them and ... and some of their, um, their suggestions when we were all debating what we
wanted to propose for our own enhancements and how to, um, increase our own oversight here.
One thing I want to say on that, again I'm going to be resigning, um, or the end of my term is
coming up on June 30th here, um, and it's been a pretty remarkable change, I feel like, um, with
the community involvement here, and even the, um, the idea that the CPRB is going to start
getting some more of its authority. Throughout my term anyway, um, I always ... I was always
comforted by this board and what we did, um, and my biggest thing I would suggest is that we
do provide some oversight into when misconduct is being claimed. You can go to your
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neighbors and say, `Hey, we ... can you make sure I'm getting a fair shake here? Can you make
sure that what's... what's happening is being investigated accurately and that you ... you kind of
stand by it,' and we should all sleep a little bit better at night, knowing that there is a board here
that is, um, you know, non -biased and willing to just look at things with a fair set of eyes and
say, um, you know, `Hey, this looks good,' or...or `No, this doesn't look good. Let's ... let's raise
a ... raise a red flag and send it up by way of public report and say something doesn't smell right
here.' I know that a lot of times there are issues taken when we are not sustaining a lot of
complaints and we are in agreement with the Chief of police. Um, certainly that has been the
majority trend in my four years here, but I would say to anybody that ... that points to that as
evidence that we aren't doing enough, it might be to the contrary. It might be that we are ... are in
a great city where, um, we do have a Chief of police and a City Manager throughout various
chiefs of polices, um, that have been able to, you know, investigate misconduct as it's raised and
do (mumbled) their own accurate job, and that we have given that ... that objective review and
said, `Yeah, we agree.' Um, just because we're not finding fault with police, um, misconduct
doesn't mean that we're just not finding it. It might be that it didn't exist. Um, and I certainly
will take peace and comfort in knowing that there's a ... a....the people that are still here on this
board. I'm excited about our new members. Ion excited about some of (dog barking) we have
in place and knowing that they're going to be able to give it, uh, that same set of eyes and that
same set of objective review to make sure we're doing our best to, uh, to ... to have this ... the
police align itself with our community values and... and, uh, I thank everyone for my...for my
service here and, uh, everyone on the board here for ...for continuing that service.
Townsend: Yeah, and, David, I, you know, I think Iowa City is unique in terms of having a police
review board, because not too many cities, you know, have a police review board. I think Cedar
Rapids recently, you know, began to ... to build one and has one in place, but, you know, not ... not
too many cities have invested in such an endeavor, and, you know, I'd just like to share, you
know, that I feel real good about it. It's like, you know, we meet once a month and basically
every month our police chief sits in on the meeting or he has a (mumbled) for him, so, you
know, it's just not the police review board, you know, is...is having an investment in it, but I
think the police force and the City Council and the City as a whole has an investment in it, and
you know, I really feel good about, you know, the existence of our board and what we're
accomplishing.
Selmer: Any of the other members want to share any parting remarks? (mumbled) Yeah, there you are.
Townsend: (garbled)
Selmer: You're muted, Jerri.
MacConnell: (mumbled) There we go! Hi (Laughs) I believe we're the oldest police review board in
Iowa, at least, that we were formed in, what, 1997? 1995? We have a pretty long history here.
Selmer: Yeah, okay. Um...
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Iowa City: David, we do have another person that wants to speak(both talking) just didn't know if you
were trying to wrap up. Tammy (both talking) Nyden. Oh ... she lowered her hand so maybe she
changed her mind. Oh, there she is.
Nyden: Yes, can you hear me?
Selmer: We can hear you, go ahead.
Nyden: Thank you. I was curious if the Review Board knows that there's, uh, regular data collection on
police interaction with mental health, not only crisis calls but also interactions with mental
health and inpatient hospital, emergency rooms, and so forth. Do we have such data collected
and available?
Liston: Um, there's probably someone on this call who could actually answer that better than me.
Kellie, would you be able to let Schwindt speak, because if we have that data, he would have it
I ... I think there are some issues with gathering that data. Um, I know David's working on
project... projects involving that, but there are certain things that, uh, some of it might not be as
simple as it sounds. We just might not know what ... what do we consider a ... a mental crisis and
not, but maybe David can speak to that.
Schwindt: Hi, this is Dave Schwindt. I just want to confirm you can hear me with this unmute.
(several respond) Okay. Um, we do have limited collection right now on behavioral health
calls for service outside of care facilities. It's not routine for us to be called into facilities, you
mentioned, um, for mental health calls for service. Uh, moving forward as part of the City
Manager's recommendations, we are looking to implement more robust tracking of crisis calls
for service, uh, with a number of data points, including demographics, uh, type of crisis, what
the response was, um, if...if the criminal justice system is utilized, why that was utilized in lieu
of other services, such as mental health services that are available in the area and such. So
limited collection right now, just because traditional law enforcement systems aren't designed to
collect that type of information, so we're trying to come up with a new reporting system and
lead the way in that type of collection, so we can better understand that moving forward.
Nyden: As ... as you work on that, is it possible to add, um, I know it may not be happening as often, but
it does happen. Is it possible to add emergency... calls where police are called into residential,
ER, or inpatient?
Schwindt: If it is a crisis call for service or a call for service where officers can utilize their crisis
intervention skills, uh, with the new reporting system we will be implementing, all of those will
be tracked as well moving forward.
Nyden: Great thanks, and that would include schools as well I'm assuming.
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Schwindt: Yeah, regardless of the physic... regardless of the physical location of the call for service, uh,
that data will be tracked cause it's more on the behaviors that create the call for service and
nothing more about where it actually happens. (several responding)
Nyden: Oh, so that ... that wouldn't be captured in the data, that that was a call from school or a call from
a hospital.
Schwindt: Yes, whether... whether the officer responds to a City park or a hospital or a group facility,
this report would be completed and collect that information.
Nyden: Okay, thank you.
Townsend: Yeah, David, I would just like to add comment related to that. I was just thinking back
earlier of a case that we had and I recall that the officers once they arrived on the scene,
someone indicated that the individual was having a mental health issue, and as a result of
that ... that knowledge, you know, they ..they treated that differently, and basically, you know, in
my opinion, you know, this is what's important is that when you do encounter a situation where
a mental ... a ... a individual is dealing with mental health issues, that you understand that, you
know, we need to treat this differently than we would just the regular situation. So I think,
basically, you know, officers, you know, pick up on that and —and give a different level of
services, and I think that's important.
Iowa City: We do have a (both talking)
Schwindt: Yes, I agree completely and one (both talking)
Iowa City: Sorry, David.
Schwindt: I just wanted to add there, uh, I agree completely. One of the things that went right in that
situation you described is there was an officer on scene that recognized that there was or had
knowledge that there was a mental health issue there. Uh, the reporting system that we're
working to implement would help that make, uh, make that information available, even if one of
the officers on scene didn't have previous experience with that individual. So more ... making
that information proactively available to officers responding to an individual. hi the future that
crisis situation may be the cause of future calls for service, so they can take that information
into consideration on how to handle future calls.
Iowa City: We do have a couple more hands raised. Um, the next speaker is Travis Breese.
Breese: Hi, sorry. (mumbled) I hope it's okay if I (garbled) order. Um, this would be Amanda or Jerri
(garbled) the members who are staying on for another year. Um, I just want to know (garbled)
when you guys had this annual forum in 2020, uh, I think there was a lot, you know, there was a
lot of people here, because, you know, the ... the energy around police reform was just so fresh
last year. People found out that (garbled) the... and everyone was (garbled) what was it about,
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you know, what can you guys do. I noticed, you know, there definitely still is a level of interest
here and there's still people calling in, but how important is it for you guys to try to keep this
community (garbled) your plans to continue to keep people interested in the CPRB.
Nichols: That's extremely important to me. I think that if we're a community advisory board that is
making recommendations on policies that affect the entire community, then the entire
community needs to be involved in that. Um, it's important that we hear what people's opinions
outside of the five people on the board are.
Iowa City: And then Joe Coulter would like to speak again.
Coulter: I, um, I would like to mention our new GuideLink Center, that the relationship of the police
department, the CPRB, even Human Rights and other organizations, um, understand what
is ... what is happening, uh, with the GuideLink Center and that many of the things that happen,
that end up with sending people to emergency rooms or to some sort of shelter are really not
serious police matters, uh, but matters to make people, uh, help people get better, and I think the
GuideLink Center is an excellent, uh, excellent source, and I hope ... I'm hoping to see that the
the ... the police employ more social workers or, uh, people with, uh, can understand psychiatric
care and other things having to do with ... with substance abuse, uh, will steer more people to the
GuideLink Center, rather than putting them in jail or sending them to the emergency room,
which is very expensive. I would like to hear the police chief respond to that, as well as, uh, as
you the Chair of the ... of the CPRB.
Liston: Well, thanks, Joe and I'm glad you mentioned that because that's something that's been a focus
of ours since it opened in February. I'm also excited to tell you that the sobering portion of the
GuideLink Center just opened last week, so that's another jail alternative for us. We have a
fantastic partnership with Abbey Ferenzi, the Director there, and she's been just a great partner
working with all the local law enforcement agencies to get to know how we do business and
how we can improve how we do business. As you know, it's an Access Center and it's
completely voluntary and open facility, so sometimes, unfortunately, some of the people we
may deal with might not be good fits for that. But we certainly will use it whenever we have
the opportunity, and if you look at the numbers, I don't have them in front of me, but we are
their largest client. Um, we're the ones who are referring the most patients, and we're going to
continue that, and I think, as you mentioned, it's a great opportunity to get people the help they
need because as you all know, sometimes the help that we can provide as a law enforcement
agency alone is not the help that someone needs. To get them to get their issues addressed,
whether they be mental health or substance abuse, so that's where the GuideLink really comes
in, and we are excited about that, and I think, um, I think a lot of other communities will be
looking towards the model that Iowa City, again the Johnson County area, has ... has, um, has
been a leader in this, and it's something we look forward to continuing.
Selmer: And you asked my opinion. I think it's ... it's an essential service, and I think to kind of echo
some of the things that the Chief says, one of the things we're ... we're struggling with right now
is communities identify what that role of the police department is and for the longest time when
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there was issues with mental health or public intoxication or addiction, the person that you
called was the police department and... and, you know, they're... they have a certain procedures
and ways that are in place that we can all review, but until there is appropriate, better suited
facilities, like the GuideLink Center in place, it really makes it hard for those police officers to
be that all -in -one tool. Um, and we're excited about that implementation and some of these
other programs that are being discussed and changing over to those forums. Um, certainly I
would encourage all that. In my previous life I was (mumbled) here in the city, um, a criminal
attorney, and I went to drug court. It was excellent, uh, excellent experience, and I was really
proud to be part of that and see how some of these alternative methods saved the community
lots of money, saved families from being torn apart, and put people on the right track and
prevented them getting into a system that is not meant and not designed necessarily to ... to
handle some of these issues that aren't necessarily what we consider violent type crimes or
crimes against other persons, and so I would love to see more of those implemented. I think
there's only going to be better things to happen (mumbled) to us the community more. We can
get those involved and I'm optimistic that the police are going to take full advantage of that. I'm
sure they are as relieved, I really truly believe that they are as relieved as all of us that they have
another answer, another tool in their toolbox for when they encounter some of those people and
they have to do something with them. They don't want to do the paperwork, they don't want to
sit down and arrest these people and put them back into the system, uh, is my true belief on that,
and I am grateful that we have this as a ... as an alternative solution now.
Townsend: David, I'd just like to make a comment. You know, one of the advantages or disadvantages
of being in a place over a long period of time is that you get to see the various phases, and I
remember like back in the 70s and in the 80s, the Iowa City Police Department had more of an
attitude and atmosphere to protect and serve, and basically, you know, they were really working
for the advantage of the citizens, and I guess, you know, the question is what can we do to get
back to that, because I think that... that, you know, that's a big key is the attitude and mentality
of the department. If we can protect and serve, then you're working for the citizens and not
turning them into victims.
Liston: Well, I certainly appreciate your experience, Orville. You've, uh, you've... you've been around a
while and ... and I appreciate that, but I'm going to have to push back a little bit. I think the
department still is a protect and serve, and I watched those videos every day and watch officers
bend over backwards to de-escalate and it's ... it's a hard time to be a police officer right now and
that's fine. We signed up for the job. We ... we go into it with eyes wide open, but that is, uh,
that's the impression that I get from the officers in my short time here, and that's certainly my
focus going forward, and I know these officers have that in the front of their mind is to protect
and serve. So I do appreciate that, but I think we are ... we are there. We're not perfect, as I
mentioned earlier, we have room for improvement, and we will keep (garbled) improve.
Townsend: Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I just want to say, when I say protect and serve where
we used to be and where we are now, I'm not saying that every officer is a negative. I'm saying
that we can ... we can still protect and serve, but we have to deal with the reality that not all of
our officers have that mentality, and a lot of people talking about getting rid of the police, you
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know, and my feeling is we don't need to get rid of the police. We just need to look at what is
it ... what ... what we have that's not right and correct it.
Liston: Agreed.
Iowa City: I don't see anyone else with their hands raised at the moment.
Selmer: Just another couple more seconds, in case anybody wants the last comment. Well I thank
everybody for their partici... we got someone?
Iowa City: We do, uh, Joe Coulter.
Joe Coulter: Well Orville knows me. I just wanted to thank you, David Selmer, and our new Police
Chief for the work that you're doing, the work that you're doing together to improve our safety,
our health, and... and protect us. So in my native language it's (native language). Thank you.
Liston: Thank you, Joe.
Adjournment:
Selmer: Thank you, Joe. And thank you all, appreciate your attendance. I appreciate everybody's
attention to this. I do think that there's a lot of enthusiasm still and I think it needs to carry
forward, and I think we're all in this together, and we're all trying to figure out how to make this
work for all of us, um, so ... with that, I will make a motion to adjourn. Can I get a second.?
Second by MacConnell. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed? Ayes have it, the
meeting's been adjourned. It's 7:00. So thank you, everyone. Good night. (several respond)
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