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Council Present: Bailey, Champion, Dickens, Hayek, Mims, Wilburn, Wright
Staff Present: Helling, Dilkes, Karr, Fosse, Howard, O'Malley, Davidson, Dulek, Long,
Morris, Hightshoe, Kopping
Others Present: Higgins, UISG
Joint Meeting With Airport Commission:
Hayek/ The Airport Commission is here, but they have requested we wait a few more minutes in
case a couple more of their members show up. Do I have that right, Greg? So...(unable
to hear person away from mic)...oh...okay. No, that's...we'll do it for you if you want,
but if everybody's here why don't we just stick on, uh, the agenda. So go ahead.
Welcome, Howard!
Horan/ Well, uh, yes, and I wanted to make sure that, um, we had a little more time to go over
this in detail, and uh, the rest of my Commissioners felt exactly the same, and I guess we
felt a little rushed for the formal meeting last time, so uh, let's begin with Greg Farris.
Farris/ Um, Mayor, Council, Greg Farris, Airport Commission. Uh, the first...the strategic plan,
the 5-year strategic plan and now you've had a little more time to look at than just that
evening, uh, I wanted to start off and tell you how we, uh, the process about how we
developed the strategic plan, give you an idea of what we looked at from the last one
before and how we got to the one we have now. Then Minnetta'll be able to go over
some of the topics in there, um, just to help highlight some of the things we're looking
for, uh, are trying to set forth, uh, going forward. When we started the strategic plan, uh,
Jeff was able to help us get started in kind of a...maybe three or four meetings for us to
go through and uh, we looked at interviewing key stakeholders of the Airport, getting
their input on things as we go forth in the next five years. We looked at the, uh, what we
had done in the past in the existing, um, the strategic plan that we laid out in 2004 for the
6 through the 10, look at the things and the goals that we tried to, uh, we were looking for
to accomplish there, and see how well we did in those. We also talked about where we
want to be five years past, and how we would get there, and went through a process of,
uh, weaknesses and strengths, and then picking out how we would move forward. If you
look at the, and I'll kind of go over some of the things we did in strategic plan from, uh,
2006 through 2010, that five year, but if you look at those, some of the...of the bullet
points and ideas, the strategic plan goals are somewhat similar, but some of the emphasis
has changed. We still want to handle those, push forward with some of those strategic
goals, but some of the things we have accomplished over in the first five years. If we go
back and look at from 2006 to 2010, one of the main goals we wanted to work on...work
better with the City in communications back and forth. I know since that time, and that's
when I joined the Commission, and we had more involvement at least coming to
meetings and speaking with you, trying to ensure that we had, um, our Airport Specialist
Report to the staff meetings weekly, things like that that got us more involved with the
City. Uh, we felt that we did well on that in that five year plan, even though we did carry
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it over going forward, uh, but we felt that that communication, we were able to...to
solidify our operation side within the Airport. It...back at the beginning, we were still
trying to...we were moving to an airport specialist, which was apart-time person to help
the Council, or the Commission, with the Airport. That's grown, and uh, has become
quite beneficial, as Mike has grown into the position, understands and works closely with
the City, and also the Council and for us, or the Commission, for us to look at our
budgeting and our day-to-day operations, and even some of the grant proposal writing.
Uh, we were also looking to, uh, update the runways, improve the infrastructure of the
Airport. That was mostly part of our master plan that was set out in 1996 that, uh,
included things such as extending the runway, the east-west runway, um, by almost 800
feet, 7-25, which uh, what it essentially does is increases our, um, ability to handle larger
aircraft, and aircraft that, uh, can make the trips from the east coast or the west coast, and
can stop here from here. So that increases the ability for the Airport to operate and
become more useful in an economic sense. We also...closure of the north-south runway
with extension of Mormon Trek That was part of the 96 master plan and all
that...that...those things happened over that five-years, so we felt that we...we increased
the...the runway length, we did some, uh, closing of the north-south runway, and were
able to do some other, um, paving and whatnot of an area that kind of, um, we needed to
catch up on some of the maintenance around the Airport. So, that...uh, was a goal that I
think we reached and did well, uh, it's still in our plan going forward, because we have
our AIP and our master plan goes out further with, um, extensions of, uh, parallel, uh,
taxi-way to allow for, uh, the north-south runway to have, uh, more usefulness in... in low
weather conditions and whatnot. And also increasing things like our ramp and, um,
ability to handle larger of our transient aircraft. The...the other area that I think, at least
I'll just highlight a couple of the ones out of the...that five-year plan we finished up, is
we were looking at our budget area to get that under control and be able to, um, as we
started selling more of the land in the north, uh, Airport development area, we were able
to pay down some of the debt, start getting a hold of how we...controlled the Airport
operations as Jet Air, the fixed base operator that operates there now, has become
stronger, and uh, very vital in the operations here with Airport, uh, with ambulance
services and charter services, working with them to help in the maintenance area, and to
try to reign in our budget and see exactly where we could, um, improve or uh, actually
find different ways that we could do some of our own funding for some of the projects
that we'd like to do at the Airport. Those were the kind of the main things that we felt
that we accomplished the most out of that five year time, some of the infrastructure,
the...setting up the organizational structure a little bit more, and um...I guess the
increased in...in, uh, the communication we have with the City to ensure that we had
things in there. As we, as I said, when we went through to develop the next plan, we took
those goals, how well we met those from the first five years, took some input from key
people, key organizations of the community, uh, how the Airport can improve in that.
Went through a process, uh, strengths and weaknesses, which ones we felt, and then
started developing the strategic goals that we wanted for the next, uh, five years. And,
that then (mumbled) mission statement, where we want to be in five years, the mission of
what we want to be and then how we're going to get there, and in these goals that we're
going to set. The, to me the five year strategic plan is very important for a commission
that has rotation of people through, is to give us our... our road map of how we want to
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accomplish it. We can come back in that next five years and see how well we did things.
We can use it to, um, see how well our Airport Specialist is meeting the goals and how
they're working, and also just helps the Commission have a... a, is to set a road map for
us to get there. So now I'd like to...Minnetta to talk about where we, so I talked about
where we've been and how we did, and Minnetta can talk about how we decided the
strategic goals for the next five years.
Gardinier/ Good evening, um, hopefully you can hear me all right. I've got a little bit of a head
cold here going on. Um, yeah, so what I would like to do is...is to just kind of hit on the
highlights of the strategic plan moving forward, and as Greg has already mentioned, a lot
of the goals, um, are pretty similar, but we're now sort of moving the next step down the
road for those, and I guess as a preface to that what I'd like to do is to sort of just mention
some highlights about the Airport, um, some of you are relatively new to the Council and,
um, I hope what we can do is invite some of you to come out to the Airport, um, to tour it
and...and to sort of become more familiar with it over the coming weeks and months. So
the Iowa City Municipal Airport is the oldest airport west of the Mississippi, in its
original site, and I think that that's a real kudo, if you will, for our... for our airport. Um,
it's a...it's a really well, uh, run airport, I think, and it gets a lot of traffic, a fair bit of
traffic, in. So from among over a hundred, uh, G.A. airports across the state, Iowa City's
Airport is actually the third busiest airport, based on a...um, state study that was done,
uh, last year and released in 2009. Um, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, so the budget
that we get from the State, I should know this, should have had it committed, is...is
about, um, a $110,000, $115,000. I think it's about a $100,000 this coming year. Um,
and from that State report, um, it's been, um, released that...that that airport, that our
Airport, brings in $11 million of economic activity to the area. So I mean I think that
that's a tremendous return on your investment, um, and I think that the...the federal
support that we receive, and the State support that we've received, to upgrade the
facilities, um, has been really very strong, and so I hope that we can continue, um, to do
that, and the thing that I'll be looking forward to is, again, the next major construction in
terms of the ramp side, the air side of the Airport, is to get these parallel taxiways in,
which increase, I don't know...it's more convenient to taxi your plane around, but it's
also an increased level of safety that it brings to the Airport. Um, so just to maybe hit on
a couple of highlights from the...the, uh, strategic plan, um, some additional things, I
mean, I guess what I'd like to say is Greg has (coughing, unable to hear) commented on
the improvement in how the Commission interfaces with the City, and 1 know...I moved
here in 98 and I know that there were several years here where things were probably not
as healthy, let's say, uh, between the Airport and, uh, and that was before I got into
aviation, actually. So, I've been flying now since 2003 and my plane is hangared out at
the Iowa City Airport. Um, and from what I saw before I came on the Commission, um,
there's been a lot of improvements out at the Airport. So, and a lot of that's come along
through better...improving the dialog with the City, and I think my interest in coming on
the Commission is...is also to strengthen that. One of the big goals I would like to see us
achieve is to, again, increase this dialog and to periodically come before you just to
highlight some of the things that are going on, uh, at the Airport. I'd also like to see us
improve, um, community involvement out at the Airport, and so I think from my
perspective, that's something that I'11...I'll try to focus on over the next few years, in
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terms of trying to implement that aspect, or help implement that aspect of the strategic
plan, and just as a little tidbit of, um, of an example for that, uh, next summer, uh, we will
be the host of a national air event, uh, at the Airport. Uh, the National Air Race Classis
will be starting at Iowa City. Um, and that's an annual, um historic air race of women
pilots, from across the U.S., as well as internationally. Um, this year that race is starting
down in Fort Meyers, and they've got 54 planes, um, registered for that air race. So, I
think that that's going to be a really fun event. One of the things that we do with regard
to...I've done this race now for two...two years, so I've actually been talking to the
organizers to bring it here to Iowa City, um, and one of the things that we do is we work
with the community to bring in, uh, children to the, use it as an education event. I've
talked with Deb Dunkcase out at the Iowa Children's Museum, and we're going to
coordinate some events for that next summer. Um, one of the things, uh, you know, I
think that's coming along is the Aviation Commerce Park. So, uh, there's been more
activity on that recently, um, and that's something that we're looking forward to in the
coming years, to sort of try to get that moving along, um, even further. Um, and I think
what we'd like to do is to work with the City, um...try to do a better job of marketing the
Airport over the next five years, and to sort of develop that aspect of it so that we
communicate better with the industries and the companies around the area, as well as just
the aviation community around the area about the benefits of the Airport, uh, that we
have. Um, and I guess just the last couple of things, and then happy to throw it open for
questions, um, we already mentioned the taxiways, and the runways are done. We've got
two brand new runways, and... and I have to say, having landed on both of them now,
they're really fine runways. Um, and so I'll be looking forward to taxiways, um, you
know, one of the things that we'll be doing now is basically more maintenance, and I
think one of the things we'd like to do is to sort of maybe go, um, put some more focus
on, um, the pedestrian side if you will of the Airport, and sort of just try to improve curb
appeal of the Airport. Um, there are some businesses out there. I think if I were
probably running a business out there I'd like to have a little more signage, you know, try
to promote and advertise a little bit of what we do out at the Airport. When I fly in to
many small airports around the country, um, you'll see a little sign out by the road,
nothing...it's not a billboard or anything, but just some presence, some visibility for
the...for the industry and the, um, the companies that are out there. And I think trying to
sort of enhance that would be good, as well as just enhancing the overall curb appeal of
the...of the Airport, um, you know, it's a great structure, um, it is aging a bit, and...and
so one of the things we hope to do is to sort of build that up. I'd like to see some better
transportation, uh, means out there in terms of, you know, having buses be able to drop
off or bike path or sidewalks, um, just for people to be able to walk up. There's a
viewing area that we'll be working on, uh, right now there's sort of a green space and
picnic table out there, and what we'd like t do is to build that up and to make it more of
a...an engaging place, um, for kids or families to come and have a picnic lunch and just
be able to watch, you know, some of the activity around the Airport. And, I think that's
pretty much the highlights that I wanted to touch on. I don't know if you have any
questions. We're all happy to...to address anything, if you have any questions.
Champion/ I have the same thing you have, so...(laughter) Just out of curiosity, how long does a
runway last...usually? Do you know?
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Gardinier/ The run, uh, the north, or the east-west runway is about 5,000 feet, and then the...the
other runway that we have is about 4,000 feet, and it's the longer runway that was the
important one to get, so we can land some of the bigger jets.
Champion/ And how long do they last?
Gardinier/ Runways that were there were, what? 50 years old.
Champion/ Oh!
Horan/ I think what we worked on were the original runways from maybe 1951, and um, these
runways are done with a, uh, a deeper rock base and uh, they're thicker as well, certainly
7-25 the primary runway. So, uh, we're...we're betting on 30 years, 40...you know, as
long as we can ask concrete to work, I think. (mumbled)
Bailey/ There was a question, um, from your previous chair regarding State funding and its
reduction. Is...is that accurate that State funding has been reduced this year, and access
to funds for continuing improvement at the Airport might be limited?
Gardinier/ Well I think originally, if I remember correctly, Mike was concerned that the State
had zeroed out the GA, the General Aviation budget.
Bailey/ Right!
Gardinier/ Um, but that was put back, so...
Bailey/ Okay.
Gardinier/ ...now we are looking...he's put in a grant I think this past week (unable to hear
person away from mic) to submit for hangar...for building a hangar out there.
Bailey/ Okay.
Gardinier/ And I think, I mean, as a pilot, I guess I would also say that that one area that I would
like to see the Airport move in is to increase the hangar space out there, not just for small
planes, but actually even Jet Air could use another big hangar, so investment in being
able to build, you know, a sizable hangar that will help to house some of these large jets
that are coming in. I happen to be out at the Airport on Saturday and there was a really
big jet coming in, that wanted to be hangared over night and um, when I was talking to
Philipp, uh, Wolford, he was saying that the clearance between the tail and the upper part
of the hangar door was only about six inches, so, um, you know, I know Jet Air certainly
wants to be able to service these jets, I mean, that's what brings in good business.
Hayek/ Any other questions? I, uh, just a couple comments from me. Uh, number one with your
air event, I would highly encourage you to contact the Convention and Visitors Bureau.
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Gardinier/ (both talking) went out there, yeah, I'm going...I'm going to come back to talk to the
Council, but I will be wearing my Iowa 99 hat (laughter)
Hayek/ Yeah!
Gardinier/ Um, but we'll come back and talk more specifically about that event. It's going to be
a really exciting event (mumbled)
Hayek/ They can help you with that. And then the second thing is, um, I'm pleased to see that
you plan to, uh, interface more with ICAD and the Chamber and some of these local
economic development groups. I really think they can be helpful. So...great! (unable to
hear person away from mic)
Gardinier/ ...want to thank Jeff tremendously for all the work that he did (mumbled) put this
together.
Council Appointments:
Hayek/ Thank you! Okay. Council appointments. We've got several to make tonight. First is,
uh, low and behold, the Airport Commission. One vacancy, two applicants. Any, uh,
any thoughts from y' all?
Champion/ I had a thought, hold on!
Hayek/ I thought, uh...
Champion/ I thought Jose...(mumbled) an engineer.
Hayek/ Yeah, I agree, and he's...he's worked with the OPL folks out there, as well, which is a
special familiarity with, uh, with the Airport.
Wright/ That was my choice!
Hayek/ Is there support for...for Jose? (several talking) Okay. Um...
Champion/ Library.
Hayek/ Yes! Where is it? Okay, Library Board of Trustees. One vacancy for that...board.
Champion/ I really liked Holly.
Bailey/ I was glad to see she was interested. (several talking)
Wright/ I think she brings a, uh, it would be bringing a different perspective to that board, and
one I think they'd probably find pretty useful.
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Bailey/ I think so too!
Hayek/ Is there support for Holly Carver?
Champion/ Uh-huh.
Hayek/ (several talking) Okay. And...PCRB, one vacancy...that board, four applicants.
Bailey/ I'd like to, um, put forward Angie Manning. She would bring a nice perspective.
Champion/ And I also like Peter Jochimsen, but (mumbled)
Wright/ Yeah, and I (both talking)
Bailey/ ...good experience.
Wright/ ...I...I have just a question on Angie Manning's application, if I can find the right
page...uh, and she's...she has not moved to Iowa City yet.
Champion/ Oh, that's right!
Bailey/ Yeah, I noticed that too.
Karr/ She has signed a lease and will be moving July ls`, which is the effective date of the
(several talking)
Bailey/ Okay.
Wright/ As long as she's in town on July ls`, I'm fine.
Wilburn/ That'd be fine.
Bailey/ I think we'd have to require that!
Hayek/ I'd be pretty supportive of...of Peter. Just his experience is, uh...
Champion/ And he's mature.
Hayek/ All right. Sounds like we're talking about one of two people (several talking)
Wright/ Yeah, and Dan Talon is actually, um, leaving (several talking)
Bailey/ Yeah, I thought he was being deployed, yeah.
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Karr/ Dan Talon is a carry-over appointment, so...it's been reactivated, so it's very possible.
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Hayek/ Okay.
Wright/ He would not be able to serve.
Mims/ That was my concern (mumbled)
Hayek/ Well, why don't we...do an informal vote here. How many people would support Peter
Jochimsen?
Champion/ I would.
Mims/ I'll go there. I mean I could really go either one of them...
Hayek/ One, two...
Mims/ I just had a concern with somebody who doesn't even live in Iowa City yet applying for
(mumbled)
Bailey/ She will, I mean, she's been very active in Iowa City too, I mean...
Wright/ I'm fine with (mumbled) that's fine. I think he'll do very well.
Hayek/ And then lastly we have a, uh, one applicant for one vacancy on the Youth Advisory
Commission for Regina.
Wilburn/ And I would like to nominate Matt Lincoln, um...you can see in the application...Matt
does attend Regina. He's been involved in several leadership functions, including one at
the State, and nominated as an alternate for one at a national leadership conference. Uh,
he's currently serv...serving on, uh, St. Patrick's, uh, actual Parish Council. They make a
lot of administrative and logistical business decisions, and he's a liaison with their Youth
Commission. So it might also be a way to help (mumbled) sustain the, uh, involvement
and recruitment for years to come.
Wright/ Good applications!
Hayek/ Okay, I think that's it for Council appointments. I'm going to move onto agenda items.
It's a pretty thick agenda. Quantitatively at least! (several talking and laughing)
Agenda Items:
ITEM 6. AMENDING THE FY2010 OPERATING BUDGET.
Bailey/ Um, I have a question on Item 6. It's the budget amendments. I noticed some new, um,
capital projects on here, and I just...wondered how these were determined,
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because...some of them didn't seem familiar to me, and maybe they are really familiar to
me, and I'm just, uh, I've forgotten.
O'Malley/ Some of the projects were put in the first round of amendments back in July and
August, and then we found out later on in November that they weren't going to be funded
so we pulled them out. So you didn't see them in the 2011 budget presentation in
January. So maybe that's why you don't...
Bailey/ So they were scheduled... a year ago and didn't get.. .
O'Malley/ No, they came in...they came in in amendment number one cycle after...between the
end of FY2009. That'd be like July 2009, August of 2009. There were several grants
that we went for, different types of grants, and then we found out we didn't get some of
them, so they were in cycle one, so we put them in there and then we pulled them out
once we found out we weren't getting them, and so they didn't show up in 2011's CIP
presentation.
Bailey/ Right.
O'Malley/ So that's why...you may not know much about `em, unless you have specific ones
you want to talk about.
Bailey/ Well, the sand prairie development one...I remember the space needs study discussion.
O'Malley/ Right (both talking)
Bailey/ But I didn't remember the sand prairie one.
O'Malley/ There was some money spent there last, uh, summer and I didn't fund it until just now
because we're getting close to, uh, fiscal year end, and I took some extra money and
funded it because we...it was a negative balance in our CIP fund. It was...somebody
authorized some engineering services, or some scrub work, or something done in that
area, back in, uh, last summer.
Bailey/ Okay.
O'Malley/ About $30,000, something like that. Any other questions about budget (mumbled)
Bailey/ Well, and then the Rec Center elevator repair...
O'Malley/ Yeah, that's...that came up, uh it should have been in the CIP...for 2011, but...they
combined them with a bunch of other elevators that they were going to put out for bid.
Bailey/ Oh, okay. Okay. Thanks.
Champion/ I hope they're going to do some of those parking lot elevators.
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Bailey/ Yeah. So it's combined with the parking ramp elevators?
O'Malley/ That's correct.
Bailey/ Oh, okay. Thanks.
Hayek/ Thank you, Kevin.
ITEM 7. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED
POSITIONS IN THE FINANCE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION OF THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT BY INCREASING ONE ADMINISTRATIVE
SECRETARY POSITION FROM .63FTE TO 1.OFTE AND DECREASING
ONE MANAGEMENT ANALYST POSITION FROM 1.OFTE TO .SFTE
Wright/ Kevin, before you sit back down I have a question on the next agenda item, number 7.
Um...I wonder first of all...how much negative affect would the, uh, Lee is going down
to half time (both talking)
O'Malley/ Well, it's...I'm going to miss her workload if she does, but I've talked with, um,
some of the other managers and some of the other staff, and her job, she's got, uh, a
couple of, uh, pieces in her job. She does some accounts receivable work. Like if
somebody runs into our, uh, stop sign or bus shelter or something like that, she bills them.
So we have other people doing accounts receivable, and I was going to off-load that's
about 5 or 6% of her work. Then she's got some other, um, reporting stuff that I was
going to have some accountants, uh, fill in. I think I've got it covered, but I'll know
better after software's installed, which'll be next (laughter) but I will miss, uh, her
aptitude.
Wright/ Yeah, the bumping up the secretary's position is going to (both talking)
O'Malley/ Yeah, she, uh, Cindy...some of, uh, some of Lee's work during budget is preparing
the actual document, and Cindy helps us with that, so she'll be able to pick up that piece
of the work that...that Lee won't be able to do. So she'll be able to finish, you know,
make the document like this, whereas Lee does most of the work analyzing the numbers.
So...that's what I'm going to...and I don't...I don't even have anybody, I hate to say
this, but I don't have anybody full time as a secretary, so a lot of time people come
walking in to my office on Friday afternoon, instead of stopping, filling out a claim form
with her.
Bailey/ You're not talking about any of us, are you? (laughter)
O'Malley/ No! (laughter) I don't mind the public walking into my office!
Wright/ Thank you.
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O'Malley/ Thank you.
Hayek/ Other agenda items?
ITEM 22. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE IOWA CITY
ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL FIRE FIGHTERS, IAFF, AFL-CIO,
LOCAL #610, TO BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2010 THROUGH JUNE 30,
2013
ITEM 23. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT BETWEEN
THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE IOWA CITY LIBRARY BOARD
OF TRUSTEES AND THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE,
COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES, LOCAL #183, AFL-CIO, TO
BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2010 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2012.
ITEM 24. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE POLICE LABOR
RELATIONS ORGANIZATION OF IOWA CITY TO BE EFFECTIVE
JULY 1, 2010 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2011.
Bailey/ Um...oh, I noticed in the contracts for the bargaining units there's still domestic partner
language, and we had talked about that, um, for the City broadly.
Helling/ Sorry, I missed...
Bailey/ There's still domestic partner language in the...all the contracts, all the bargaining unit
contracts.
Helling/ Right.
Bailey/ And I thought we had talked about that...now that marriage was legal for everybody in
Iowa that we wouldn't, um, be extending those domestic partnership benefits within the
City. Am I remembering that conversation accurately?
Champion/ No, I don't we ever said that.
Dilkes/ That's accurate for the benefit, for the...for the benefits that we provide.
Bailey/ Okay. All right.
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Dilkes/ That...that changes as of July 1s1
Bailey/ Right, and benefits are just the financial benefits, not necessarily leave for, um, funeral
leave or anything like that? Because that's where I think I remember seeing it mostly.
Dilkes/ You're going to have to tell me the specific (both talking)
Bailey/ Okay, um...in the...I just marked it I think in the...firefighter's contract on page 6. It's
under the funeral leave. I think this is where I most consistently noticed it, um, it's... so
it's Article 7, Section 2, funerals, um...with no loss of compensation to attend the funeral
of his or her spouse or domestic partner as recognized by City policy. So, I assumed that
we were just going to use the word `spouse' after we had...
Dilkes/ I think what that does...what that language does is it defers to the City policy, and the
City policy will now be in order to access those benefits you have to be married.
Helling/ Yeah, that's my understanding...it goes back to the City policy.
Dilkes/ See (both talking) the position of the City was that that language did not need to be
bargained. That it didn't have to be negotiated because it already...refers back to City
policy. City policy has now changed with respect to the availability of those benefits,
and that's...
Bailey/ Okay. Okay.
Dilkes/ That's my recollection, Dale, I...
Helling/ Yeah, I...
Dilkes/ I wasn't involved...I wasn't at the bargaining table.
Helling/ No, and...
Bailey/ Domestic partners...well...there are heterosexual domestic partners, but we...we don't
extend benefits or any of this to heterosexual.. .
Dilkes/ I don't think it's a problem, but let me talk to Sarah and...
Bailey/ Okay. I was just...I was trying to...have everything, you know, remember everything
from our previous conversation.
Dilkes/ My recollection is that...what I understand to be the case is that as of July 15`, in order to
access health insurance benefits, and funeral leave benefits, you have to be married.
Um...is that your understanding...as well, Dale?
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Helling/ I'm trying to think...because there's a reason why we left domestic partner, and left the
registry and so forth.
Bailey/ Well, that's what I was wondering.
Dilkes/ Well, but it was not...it was not in relation to, um, internal benefits. It was in relation to
those outside the City who might chose to still access that domestic partner registry, such
as those companies who've chosen to continue to provide benefits to domestic partners.
Bailey/ Got it!
Dilkes/ But not for purposes of our internal benefits.
Bailey/ Okay. Thank you.
Helling/ Yeah, and that was my recollection, because the policy changed, the language in the
contracts does refer back to the policy.
Dilkes/ And...and I recall (mumbled)
Bailey/ Okay. Thanks!
Hayek/ Other agenda items? Hearing none...(mumbled) sales tax funded projects update.
Local Option Sales Tax Funded Proiects Update:
Fosse/ Thank you. Uh, it's been about a year now since the vote occurred on the local option
sales tax, and on your agenda tonight is aware of the contract for Stanley Consultants for
the relocation of our north waste water plant, so we thought it'd be a good time to...to
give you an update on our major, uh, projects that are funded with the local option sales
tax, and I want to begin by introducing Rory Wiebel. Rory, you want to stand up and
wave to the Council (laughter). Rory's our special projects manager that we've hired and
he's managing, uh, both the waste water and Dubuque Street-Park Road projects right
now, and uh, we're gearing up to hire a second, uh, engineer to help us out as well. Uh,
Rory is a construction engineer, comes to us, uh, he's a graduate from Iowa State
University and has eight years of experience, uh, working for contractors, including the
Kinnick Stadium project. So he brings to the table, uh, good private sector and good, uh,
construction sector experience, which is a good thing for us. So thank you, Rory! Uh,
what I want to do is...is take you through both the projects, and uh, I'll need to do this
quickly, and if we need to circle back for more detail that you have, uh, we'll do that.
Uh, but we...we have two major projects that we're funding with local option sales tax
and that's the relocation of our waste water plant and then Dubuque Street-Park Road
projects. Um, the waste water project is a $46 million project. We have in place $22
million from EDA, about $5.5 million from I-Jobs, uh, $5 million from community
development block grants, so our total for outside funding on that project is about $32.5
on there, and we have about a $13 million, or $13.5, uh, remainder that we need to fill on
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that gap. Uh, on the Dubuque Street-Park Road project, that's roughly a $32 million one,
with uh, $4.5 million in outside funding so far, uh, so we have about a $27,500,000, uh,
local share. Uh, the local option sales tax, the estimates of that range from $30 million to
$36 million. So we're using the low end of that right now, so we have a funding gap of
roughly $11 million we need to fill. Uh, potentially we could get another $6.5 from I-
Jobs, uh, we don't...we don't know that for sure yet. Uh, but we are pursuing that, as
well as other outside funding sources. Hopefully $10 million from, uh, a TIGR grant,
which is a federal earmark that could be used for the, uh, Dubuque Street project. Uh, of
that $11 million gap, we can fill that with...with GO bonds or revenue bonds, although
the revenue bonds would be...need to be limited only to the waste water project as well.
So with that introduction, let's just, uh, briefly look at...at both the projects and, one of
the things I wanted to point out is that we spent our first nine months really looking to pin
down our funding partners on this, and the reason that was so important, as it turns out
especially with the EDA is that they're very specific about how we manage our projects,
and we didn't want to get too far into a project and then no longer be eligible for their
funds and...and this is a good example. It's just the EDA checklist for getting started on
one of their projects, and Thursday there are two people flying in from Denver who are
going to meet with us on a project kick-off and help us understand everything that we
need to do, uh, to comply with their funding sources. So let's begin with the...with the
waste water project. This is the title that we've zeroed in on here. The waste water
treatment facilities consolidation project. We're...we're getting rid of the north plant.
We're expanding the south plant. So really what we're doing is consolidating. So that's
how we'll refer to it in the future. Uh, it will be constructed down in this area, at the
south waste water treatment plant there's some room off...off the page to the right there,
and um, let's look at some of the major design objectives for that. The first one, of
course, is flood protection. We want to get out of that flood prone north site. Uh, we
also want to have some capacity for growth. We've had pretty good growth within Iowa
City here, and part of that capacity for growth includes getting the sewage to the waste
water treatment plant. So part of this contract with Stanley Consultants is taking a
comprehensive look at our collection system. Uh, to make sure that we don't get in a
pinch like we were in back in the 80s. I don't know if you call recall that we had a
moratorium on building on the east side of town because we did not have sewer capacity
to support that growth over there. So the east side missed out on a lot of that 1980s
growth that was occurring. Uh, we also are going to have a strong emphasis on...on
energy, chemical use, and operation expenses down there. That is our largest municipal
energy user in our...of all of our operations, and for instance, uh, right here is just one of
five 300-horsepower electric motors that we have that...that inject air into the waste
water to...to, uh, provide oxygen for the aerobic bacteria that helps digest that. We also
use a fair amount of chemicals down there, both chlorine and sulfur dioxide for the
disinfection, and then, uh, elimination of the disinfection byproducts, and we want to
look at processes where we can reduce those chemicals, just cause they're nasty to have
around and also we've found that the prices can be volatile on those, and we're looking
at, uh, renewable energy down there, using more of the methane that we produce. And
then we'll also be looking at future regulatory requirements and how can we posture
ourselves, uh, for those, and...and a good example is right in front of you there. In 1990
we built the south plant at a total cost of $12 million. Uh, by 2002, this is what it looked
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like. We'd invested another $36 million in that facility in the sewers feeding that facility,
to meet one change in federal requirements, and that was ammonia limits. Uh, so we're
looking as best we can at what the future requirements are and figuring out how we
can...we can build for those now or, uh, create a situation where we can, uh,
accommodate those with minimum additional expense, and one of the great things we
have going for us is on our technical advisory, uh, committee that we've put together for
this project, we have, uh, retired public works director Chuck Smadake, who brings with
us, he's been retired for, uh, seven years now, and he brings a lot of perspective of what
was done in the past, dating clear back to the 60s, and he's responsible for a lot of the
strategic thinking that has put us in a good place where we are now for this expansion
that we're doing down at the south plant. One of the great things that he did was, uh, this
is our north plant. The south plant is down here. Part of that $36 million of
improvements that I shared with you included building a pipe to connect the two plants.
All we needed to do was divert a small amount of that flow at that time, but he had the
foresight to size the pipe so that...he saw the inevitability of...of leaving the north plant
sized, so it was sized so we don't need to replace that at this point. Uh, the Stanley
Consultant that's on the agenda tonight is...is about a $5.7 million contract, uh, it's
probably one of the larger design contracts that you've ever seen and... and one of the
reasons for that is..is uh, normally at this point we would only bring to you the first two
items on this, the planning phase and preliminary engineering phase. Because the
outcome of that phase really determines the rest of the project, but because of our funding
source, the EDA on this, they want the entire contract defined now, so we're taking our
best guess at what the remainder of it is, and we...we put in a number of hours we expect
the work's going to take, and we have a `not to exceed' price in there. So we hope we've
estimated high and we hope it comes in something less than this. So with that we'll move
on to the Dubuque Street elevation and Park Road bridge replacement project.
Um...again, we'll go through the design objectives for that. Flood protection, of course,
is..is the major driving force. The long-term flooding that we have on the left there from
the Iowa River, and then the short-term flooding that we have almost annually from
locally heavy rains will be addressed. Uh, we also want to reduce upstream flooding
peaks, and we observed about 14 inches of backwater from that bridge, which extends
upstream to about...where, about 11 inches in the Parkview Terrace neighborhood,
excuse me...9 inches here, 10 inches here, 7 '/2 inches at Coralville strip, and then it dies
out at the Iowa River power dam. Uh, we want to eliminate Dubuque Street as a
downstream constraint for the operation of the Coralville Reservoir, uh, before they start
to crank it (coughing, unable to hear) beginning of a flood event they give us a few days
to get our... our ducks in a row, and get in place so we can run two-way traffic as we lose
that one lane, uh, of Dubuque Street. This will allow them to throttle up as...as soon as
they need to out there. Oops...losing my, there we go! And then we also want to...this
is perhaps one of the most multi-modal of all of our corridors. We've got a lot of bus
traffic, lot of pedestrians, bicycles, as well as 25,000 vehicles a day, and we want to
incorporate all of those into the final design of the project. My battery's dying here.
There we go, and then we want to interface with the...with the, uh, Iowa River corridor.
When the river's not ravaging our community, it's really kind of a nice feature to have
around and look at ways that we can capitalize on the...on the river, and its assets. So we
have a... also have a advisory committee put together for this one, as well. It's got
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representatives from Engineering, Planning, and...and Parks, and the University of
Iowa's a big player in this project, cause of the Mayflower Dormitory, the relocation of
Hancher, uh, the crew team, and then wayfinding is important for both of us. Uh, Project
GREEN will be a part of the technical advisory committee. They...they've been a
partner in this corridor for at least 30 years, and...and will likely continue to be a partner
with us on the landscaping of it, and then the DOT. Uh, we have a lot of project
coordination to do on this. Uh, right now the DOT is...is expanding Interstate 80 going
six lanes in this direction, eight lanes in this direction. Uh, we also, uh, in the JCCOG,
uh, transportation advisory committee, uh, secured funding for the bridge, the pedestrian
bridge at this location now, as well with...with some other projects that will complete the
Iowa River Corridor Trail from Iowa City all the way up to North Liberty (coughing,
unable to hear) at the JCCOG level. Um, got Hancher relocation, uh, Park Road
reconstruction, Mayflower Dormitory flood protection, and then the, uh, another thing
that we'll be doing while this is under construction is we'll take advantage of the light
traffic on the remainder, all the way into Iowa Avenue. That was constructed about 24
years ago, and is at a point now where it needs some spot maintenance out there, and
we'll get that done as well. Uh, one thing I forgot to point out is the DOT will be
urbanizing this intersection, or this interchange. They have split that off as a separate
project from the interstate widening so that they can time it with the construction of
Dubuque Street, so that they'll line up and...and we...we can accumulate all that
inconvenience at once, if you will.
Dickens/ (mumbled) lanes going to be closed?
Fosse/ On Dubuque Street?
Dickens/ When they do it.
Fosse/ Uh, there will be periods when both are closed, but our intent is to keep some traffic
through there, as much as we can. Um, so just wrapping up again, this is...this is the
same slide that you saw earlier cause we're short on time I...I won't go over that again.
I'll just field, oh, one thing I wanted to point out is...is all totaled, uh, we've got
about...um, $37 million in outside funding coming in for these two projects. And then if
you also include the outside funding that we've received for the buyout program, which
is another part of our...our mitigation strategy, uh, we're up to $69 million in outside
funding that comes in. Uh, to put that in perspective, that equals about, just about seven
years of what we normally bond through the GO process for capital projects. That's
seven years worth of work. Any questions? I know that was very fast, but we...we
didn't have much time here, so...
Mims/ Rick, did I hear you say on Interstate 80 that west of Dubuque Street they're going eight
lanes?
Fosse/ Right, between Dubuque Street and First Avenue, that will be eight lanes.
Mims/ Just between those two intersections?
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Fosse/ Just between those two, yes, because some people...just travel from one to the other
without ever intending to continue on the interstate.
Mims/ Okay.
Fosse/ Well, thank you.
Hayek/ If we get to a point of, uh, not landing enough outside funding, uh, and we find that our
lost income is not covering the gap do we...make some hard decisions or...
Fosse/ Then we'll be back and...and look at revenue bonds for the waste water end of it, and that
can impact rates, and then we look at GO bonds, uh, to help fill that gap, and that will
impact the other capital projects that we're capable of doing.
Hayek/ So we'll get there one way or another, it's just (both talking) other sources.
Fosse/ Right. And that's why we didn't want to dive in with a $5 million design contract until
we had a major portion of the funding in place so that it really appears feasible that we
can do these projects.
Hayek/ Thanks, Rick, and... staff deserves, uh, almost all the credit for the outside funding we've
gotten to date, in my opinion. Um, we're not going to accomplish everything before
7:00. I don't think. I...I see a couple of items on the, at least in the Info Packets alone,
that are going to require a little bit of discussion. How would y'all think about breaking
so we can be fresh for the 7:00 meeting and then just picking up at the end of the
Council... formal?
Mims/ That's fine.
Hayek/ Want to do that?
Wright/ Yeah, I don't think we're going to get much done in seven minutes, but a bathroom
break.
Hayek/ Yeah. Yeah, and we need that. Okay. (BREAK TO FORMAL)
Info Packets:
Hayek/ I believe we need to start up with the info packets, uh...there's one from Apri129t". Is
there anything concerning that?
Dickens/ Um...is this the time we'd bring up what we're going to do with the PAULAs? (both
talking) situation cause...we're going to the 21, on June 1St, so...how does that affect
PAULA, or whether we're going to continue...enforcing that.
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Dilkes/ Well, I can just...kind of tell you what the status is. Um, we have...we denied, the City
Council denied, uh, renewals of liquor licenses for the Field House and the Summit, um,
the Field House appealed to the Alcoholic Beverages Division and a decision was...there
was a hearing, and the decision was made by the, um, ALJ, the Administrative Law
Judge, determining essentially that in her opinion the, uh, City was proempted, or
preempted by State law from...from taking that action. Um, the City asked for review by
the Administrator of the Alcoholic Beverages Division, and we are still awaiting that
decision. Um, there has been a change in the Administrator at the ABD and...I think
that's responsible for...partially for how long it's taking. So that's the status there. With
the Summit, um, in accordance with the policy, the City Council...denied renewal of the
liquor license. That was appealed to the ABD and the parties have agreed to simply stay
that, um, put it on hold at the ABD, pending a decision by the Administrator in the Field
House case. Um, absent, um...a repeal or a change in that guideline which directs the
Police Chief to recommend denial for PAULA rates in excess of 1.0, um, you will most
likely on June 1St have a recommendation for denial of another license. Um, so
that's...that's the status.
Hayek/ Can you tell us what we can do with a recommendation from the Police Chief? As you
and I discussed earlier today.
Dilkes/ Right. Well, one option...when the Summit, um..when the liquor license for the Summit
came up, there was discussion about given that we didn't have a decision by the
Administrator of the ABD, there was discussion about whether to, um, whether there
should be a deferral by the Council at that point, meaning just putting it on hold at the
Council level until we got a decision from the Administrator, or having the Council make
a decision, and then having it being appealed to the, uh, Administrator, and then putting it
on hold at that point. A decision was made at that point that it made more sense to...put
it on hold at the ABD level because that was the Council's policy and we were...we were
just waiting for a decision from the Administrator. Um, that was the decision at that
time. One of the options available to you at this point would continue to be to...keep the
policy in place, um, but because the Council...let me back up for a minute. The policy
says the Police Chief must recommend denial, that doesn't require that the Council accept
that recommendation. Given that we now have two unknowns, one is the, uh, decision by
the Administrator in the, um, Field House case, and the second is whether the 21-
ordinnance is going to stick in November, um, the Council would still have...could still,
um, when the license renewal comes up on June 1 St... defer that, um, until you get, uh,
those unknowns taken care of, the first one being the ABD decision, and the second one
being the, um, November ballot referendum. So in other words, one option would be
to...defer a decision on the license renewal...until you get either one or both of those
decisions, and at that point you would make a... a decision on the renewal at that point.
Mims/ So on the renewals, they come up every so often, but if we simply defer it, it would just
extend their liquor license until we took it up again?
Dilkes/ The...the way the renewals work is as long as what we call...as long as they `timely
file.' In other words, if they file for a renewal within the time period that they're
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supposed to file for, within that year, then...even if you defer a decision on their renewal,
they continue to operate.
Mims/ And then we could take it up though again at whatever point we wanted (both talking) we
hit one of those triggers that you mentioned.
Dilkes/ Right, right.
Karr/ Once they file, the City authority must take some action, and by deferring it, we would
timely file it at the State for them. I just wanted to clarify that.
Dickens/ Then they would have to appeal it?
Karr/ No, no, no. No. It's...(several talking) We would...they would file the renewal
paperwork. We ultimately timely file it in reaction to your deferral. We timely file it as
being in proper form and to continue them to operate. They would not appeal a timely
filed. It just...stays it.
Dickens/ Stays.
Bailey/ And the downside of continuing to act in accordance to our policy?
Dilkes/ That's a discussion you all need to have.
Bailey/ And the downside is? I mean, yeah, we'll...
Wright/ I don't see a particular downside.
Bailey/ We've decided that this is a measure of....of responsible behavior and...and um, your
ability to hold a liquor license, um, until we are told definitively that it's not. Why
wouldn't we continue to act accordingly?
Mims/ I mean, would you assume, Eleanor, with what's already happened that if we continued
with what the Council has been doing, that again they would continue basically just to
kind of put them on hold until them, um, Alcohol Chair...
Bailey/ Mr. Larson is in place.
Dilkes/ I think that will be the likely result, at the ABD. Um...that would involve, um, in...in
the case of the Summit, it was an agreement by the Summit's attorney and by my office
to stay it until we got the Administrator's decision, because it really doesn't make any
sense to have another hearing on the same issue, until we (several talking) decision. So I
suspect that would be the result, at the ABD, again...I can't say for sure.
Bailey/ But doesn't it send a message to the ABD that we continue to have these issues, and that
something needs to be addressed at that level? (several talking)
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Dickens/ ...that are all piling up!
Bailey/ I mean, I know...
Mims/ Well, it certainly sends the message that we're continuing to have the problem.
It...doesn't necessarily have any influence on their decision, you know, in terms of
whether they determine...whether they think it's proper grounds or whatever, but
certainly sends the message we still have a problem here!
Bailey/ Right.
Hayek/ I think it could cut both ways, uh, and I don't know how that would be perceived in Des
Moines. I think for me the thing is...um, I view, uh, I think we either need the PAULA
policy or a 21-ordinance. Um, and...and maybe this is a discussion Council should have,
should 21 stick in November. Would we want to continue our PAULA policy.
Wright/ I think that would be the time to have the conversation about the policy. Right now...I
would prefer leaving it in place, both until we get some kind of definitive ruling from the
State...or...assuming we get...that doesn't happen, we see what happens with the
presumed vote in the fall.
Mims/ I think there's the other...that other part of that discussion that I've mentioned before too
is, what ability do we as a city have to hold the bars accountable for people who were in
their establishments in violation of the 21-ordinance? I mean.. .
Hayek/ Well, I mean, according to the...the...Administrative Law Judge, with respect to existing
policy, none. We can't force, we can't hold the bars accountable for underage possession
in their establishments, and...and our reaction to that has in part been to try to go the 21
route, um, and...and if that fails, and if the, and if our current policy is struck down at
some point, we'll have to amend it or adapt it to conform with...with whatever the law is
said to be with respect to that ordinance.
Mims/ They're talking about...the PAULA, I mean, from your perspective, Eleanor, do we have
any ability to pass the ordinance that would...fine or somehow sanction bars if they
allow... if they are found to have people under the age of 21 in their establishments after
10:00 at night?
Dilkes/ The current 21, or the current ordinance, um, makes it a municipal infraction, uh, for the,
uh, for the bar owner to allow persons under the age of 21, um, to stay in there if...after
10:00. Um, that's a civil penalty and it would involve proof, you know, I mean we'd
have to prove that municipal infraction. Whether the ABD...and a...and a judge in a
subsequent appeal to a District Court would find it more compelling...to deny a license
based on allowing persons under the age of 21 to be in the bar, as opposed to...number of
PAULAs in a bar, I don't know the answer to that.
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Mims/ Let me ask a follow up then...maybe I just haven't read the ordinance carefully enough.
Is there penalty against the underage individual then, as well, in our ordinance?
Dilkes/ Oh, yes, and that's a criminal penalty. Against the underage person, or against the
person who's in there when they're not supposed to be?
Mims/ The person who's in there who's not supposed to be...
Dilkes/ Yes!
Mims/ ...is a criminal.
Dilkes/ Right.
Mims/ But in the same ordinance, there is a civil penalty against the bar.
Dilkes/ Correct.
Mims/ Okay, thank you.
Bailey/ Well, and I think...with the 21-ordinance, we've been saying that this will reduce the
issue, but it's sti11...PAULA...high PAULA rates are still inappropriate, and we believe
that this will take care of it, but they're still inappropriate, and they're still...from my
perspective, they're still cause to deny a liquor license. I...I don't know. Maybe I'm too
stubborn! (laughter)
Wilburn/ That's really inappropriate if they're 21 !
Bailey/ Yeah! I mean, it's doubly so, so I...I don't understand why we wouldn't just continue to
do so, until we get a definitive ruling from the new director that says that this won't...this
doesn't work.
Hayek/ Well if it were just that, if we were just waiting on the ABD to decide, um, for me it'd be
an easy...an easy answer. We'd just continue to do what we did with the Summit, tee it
up, let `em stay it, and...but, but with 21-ordinance enacted, and a likely referendum in
November, that's where I...start questioning things.
Bailey/ So you want to pause this, and then reinstate this denial when...if and when the 21-
ordinance is defeated? I mean, I agree with...it makes it doubly offensive if we have a
21-ordinance and you're still getting PAULA violations.
Wright/ Yeah.
Bailey/ I mean, I think...I think it sends...I mean, I think that sends...it kind of underlines the
21-ordinance.
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Hayek/ But the data on which the denial would be based was...is pre-enactment of 21. I mean so
you're using data from a different world order, so to speak. And maybe that doesn't
matter.
Bailey/ Well, maybe...okay, so maybe we just...maybe we do some adjustment of that data
collection.
Hayek/ We...we wouldn't be able to. I mean, we haven't even collected...we haven't even...
Bailey/ (both talking) but what we say essentially...what we say essentially is, um, so what this
next meeting, yeah, if you were a violate...violating denial, and then we'll start the clock
ticking at 21 and...but we'll still hold to this course, so you still have to pay attention to
this, regardless of what you're going to do in a referendum, regardless of what your
hopes and dreams are.
Wright/ If we have something coming up on June 1, their offense pre-date the 21-ordinance.
Bailey/ Right.
Wright/ But...I think we need to hold their feet to the fire on that policy, just as we would
anybody else.
Bailey/ Yeah, because they're...they're potentially...they're apotential violator, even
under...under 21, if their rates are so high.
Wright/ Yeah.
Bailey/ I don't have a problem continuing, but...
Wright/ I'd prefer to see us continue with the policy as it is. Unless we get a definitive ruling
(several talking) comes down that says forget it.
Dickens/ ...got the 21 starting June 1St. If it doesn't go you bring the PAULA back.
Bailey/ It's not an either or though for me. Is it an either or for you?
Wright/ You can still have PAULAs with a 21-only.
Bailey/ Is it an either or for you?
Dickens/ Well, I don't know if it's...necessary to have (several talking)
Mims/ ...under 21 in there before 10:00 legally. (several talking)
Wright/ A PAULAs, you know, possession of alcohol under the legal age. That can happen at
6:00 in the afternoon (several talking)
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Bailey/ That happens at, you know...
Mims/ That's what I'm saying...they can be legally in the bars until 10:00 at night.
Bailey/ Right. And...and so it's problematic.
Wright/ We may see an uptick... earlier in the evening. Who knows.
Bailey/ That's true, and they can, yeah, go back home and finish it off!
Mims/ I think (laughter) yeah, I mean, my tendency at this point would be to continue what
we've been doing.
Bailey/ Is there any legal liability exposure downside to continuing what we're doing, besides we
spend a lot of time in Des Moines? Des Moines' a nice city. It's...it's coming along!
Dilkes/ Um...I...I think there's no question that if...that...you can't look...the PAULA policy is
going to have to be readjusted in light of 21. The 1.0 PAULA...the 1.0 level was
set...based on the statistics of...that we gathered when we didn't have a 21-ordinance.
So the whole...the whole threshold is going to have to be looked at again, because
presumably, I mean... if (several talking) if we have as many PAULAs, if... if we tolerate
as many PAULAs in a bar after 21, as we did before 21, that...that doesn't make sense,
right? So...so that's going to have to be re-examined. Um, and...what I think makes the
most sense...legally Ithink you can do...whatever you want. You can go ahead and
enforce your policy, and um, see what happens after that with the ABD and with the 21.
If you think that there is...that the PAULA rate was put in place as a mechanism to
reduce access to underage people within bars, and that the 21-ordinance largely takes the
place of that, um, then...then I think it makes sense to defer them until we, um, have
those trigger points.
Bailey/ I don't think.. .
Dilkes/ If you don't...
Bailey/ I don't think it's either or for me, but others may.
Hayek/ So you'd be an advocate, let's assume 21 sticks in November, for maintaining our
PAULA policy, and possibly with some modifications.
Bailey/ Well, certainly with modifications, and as Susan said, shouldn't it be a lower threshold?
Wright/ Yeah, we probably ought to lower it, but that...
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Bailey/ But, I mean, the point that people can be in the...in the establishments after...what do
they call those? You know...Friday afternoon clubs and Thursday afternoon clubs and
Wednesday afternoon clubs so...I think that's...
Hayek/ And, sorry to interrupt, but the...the civil infraction against the bar owner is just a few
hundred bucks, right? And that's what it was a year ago when we enacted the...
Dilkes/ It's always been that way.
Hayek/ And part of the rationale behind going to this PAULA policy was that we thought as a
Council that, um, among other things, a few hundred dollars fine was really not much of
a...an incentive to...to police one's self. Maybe I'm...I'm casting the Council's
discussion incorrectly, but...
Dilkes/ Well, it was a civil infraction on the under-19 ordinance. Not...there was no
corresponding civil infraction for...having someone charged with a PAULA in your bar.
Hayek/ But part of the rationale behind the PAULA policy was to...increase the consequence to
an establishment where a lot of underaged possession was occurring.
Dilkes/ Yes, yes.
Hayek/ And part of that was based on the sense, I think, that a few hundred dollars penalty is not
a huge disincentive to allow that.
Dilkes/ But see there was no civil penalty for having someone with a PAULA in your bar. The
civil penalty was attached to the under-19 ordinance, not the PAULA.
Bailey/ If they were in the bar after, but not...if somebody was possession, it was just the
individual charged.
Dilkes/ Right, yeah, there was no corresponding civil infraction against the bar when someone
was charged...
Bailey/ Which was the, why we did this.
Hayek/ Okay, so if we dump...so really the penalties were...were two-fold against the bar - a
civil penalty and possible consequence at the...at the renewal stage?
Bailey/ No civil penalty...
Dilkes/ No, there was no civil penalty that accompanied, against the bar, that accompanied
someone being...having a PAULA. There...there was no...
Hayek/ There wasn't, but it became that with our policy.
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Bailey/ There became...
Hayek/ We now have that.
Dilkes/ A civil...a license renewal penalty, yes, that type of penalty.
Hayek/ Okay. Well, what do people think?
Dickens/ If we're going to stay that...we get to November we, you know, if we have to redo the
PAULA, or...we may have to do it this summer.
Mims/ (both talking) comes before then when we finally hear from the ABD.
Hayek/ Yeah (several talking)
Bailey/ But I think we stay the course until we hear. That'll be the (several talking)
Mims/ I think that's the bigger (several talking) let's take the assumption for a second that we
lose, okay? Then the question is, do we spend the time and resources to go to court on
that. I mean...
Dickens/ Or do we find out why...why it was thrown out and make the adjustments there.
Bailey/ But I mean, until that moment, let's continue to operate as is (several talking) we are
correct, and you're not worthy to have a liquor license if you have such a PAULA rate.
Mims/ Yeah, I would...I would agree with that. Go with what we're doing, and then...you
know, maybe, I guess there's two things. One, we've got to wait until we hear from
ABD. That's going to be a trigger to decide, you know, where we go from there,
and...let's say we come out on, that they take our...they agree with our position, we
assume the bars are going to appeal that. Um, then the other trigger really is...to me,
maybe letting all that play out when we get to November, assuming we get through the
referendum and we maintain the 21-ordinance, then certainly at that point I think we do
need to relook at the PAULA ordinance if we're going to keep that, and re...as Eleanor's
saying, you would think logically we would be talking about reducing those PAULA
ratios, um, when they already are supposed to only have 21 and over in there after
11...10:00 at night.
Bailey/ Well, and that would give us some data...I mean, if we continue to collect this and move
forward, that will give us some data to...to look at. Right?
Hayek/ Okay, it sounds like...we're going to stay with the, uh, the plan, which would mean we
would act upon denials coming from the Police Chief.
Dilkes/ The only decision we need from you tonight is whether you were going to repeal the
policy completely, because then we would have to get that on the agenda. In terms of
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whether you defer it or act on it and we stay that the ABD level, that's a decision you can
make on June 1st
Bailey/ Well, we continue to do the thing that we do, is case-by-case. They make their case, and
we can overturn the recommendation for denial, or do whatever else, right?
Hayek/ The Council will still take up each denial individually, as we have the previous two.
Okay. Are you walking out in protest, Terry? (laughter) Anything else from the April
29 Info Packet? How about the May 6 Info Packet?
Mims/ I just had a question on IP3. It was the, uh...
Bailey/ Oh, yeah, I do too.
Mims/ ...yeah, the legislative summary on the, I don't have the whole detail here, but the smart
growth incentives.
Bailey/Yeah.
Mims/ Are we looking at adding those to our comprehensive plan? Maybe we haven't gotten
that far yet but...there's some financial incentives, possibly, if we (mumbled)
Wilburn/ I'm sorry, hold on a second. Can you repeat that?
Mims/ The, uh, the smart growth incentives, I was just wondering if as a city if staff was looking
at anything like that yet or if we were starting to think about trying to add that to our
comprehensive plan.
Helling/ Um, at this point in time, no we haven't, but that's something that I think would go to
Planning and Zoning. If... if Council's interested in that.
Bailey/ It'd be interesting to have some more information about this $30 million appropriated for
grant applications and those sorts of things too, before we do a lot of gymnastics to
(several talking)
Helling/ We'll get some more detail for you.
Dilkes/ Yeah, I think there's some question as to whether though we already have those policies.
We may already have those policies in our comprehensive plan (several talking) uh,
so...yes.
Bailey/ I think that that may be the case as well, but...but if they need certain wording and it
won't cost us.
Mims/ And I guess the other thing I had was on IP4, D, the naming policy issue that we've had
some controversy on from some of the boards and commissions. I'm supportive of
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setting up some kind of a joint committee to re-look at that. If we have that many boards
and commissions that are unhappy with the policy that...
Hayek/ It's not a policy yet. It's a...we're discussing. So I think it would be appropriate to
(several talking) um, I mean I've got my personal feelings on it, but we have not yet
enacted anything. So it would be a good juncture for that kind of involvement. (several
talking)
Bailey/ Yeah, I (mumbled) too. So...we hope to get a discussion by fall...if we...
Helling/Iwould hope so. Be a relatively small group...maybe six, seven, eight people.
Bailey/ Well I would strongly encourage, and I don't know how others feel about this, but the
only organiza...or the only department that has a vast amount of experience fundraising
is really the Library, and so I would hope that Susan, um, would be part of that
committee, cause I think her expertise would be beneficial.
Wright/ (away from mic)
Bailey/ Right, and...and...and Iwould say that they have the greatest experience with
fundraising, and I would hope that, um (mumbled) is still the Parks and Rec Foundation.
(several talking) Yeah, it might be (mumbled)
Wilburn/ Well they're the other person has (both talking) not as much as (several talking)
Bailey/ ...great degree, I mean, that's why we didn't pursue the CAT grant.
Hayek/ Sadly the sewer foundation (laughter) and organize.
Helling/ Are you comfortable that we can put that group together without coming back to
Council to...approve the...the individuals?
Bailey/Iwould just strong, I mean...I'm not mandating. I'm just strongly encouraging (several
talking) yeah, I'm just strongly encouraging.
Hayek/ I'd say use your judgment.
Bailey/ Yeah.
Helling/ I think we can do that.
Hayek/ Nice job, Ross and Dale, uh, on the, uh, Metro Coalition stuff. It's (mumbled) summer.
Bailey/ How are we moving forward with the Metro Coalition?
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Wilburn/ The, uh, lobbyist is going to, uh, try and work out a date to come visit this Council for a
work session. Uh, so that you can meet him, hear from him, and have some dialog, so he
can get a flavor for, uh, this Council and how it looks at issues with the...with the State.
That will help inform him as he does lobbying, and there's...there's an interest expressed
by the Coalition to have, uh, if possible sometime this, uh, summer, some type of retreat
or at least a meeting to spend some significant time discussing, uh, both the issues but
also the role and focus of the Coalition, um...in the...in the past there was say focused on
particular issues, given that we have the League to...get involved with, uh, a more broad
array of issues impacting cities and um, to a certain extent we strayed away from that,
um, and then a conversation since we have a new lobbyist needs to be held to get a
consensus view as to, um, whether individual cities are, uh, directing the lobbyist to look
into things and take positions that haven't been discussed with the, uh, full Coalition,
so...yeah. So that's...that's kind of the next...the next step and then uh, that would help
inform us as we develop our next set of, uh...um, local legislative priorities and then how
we want to position ourselves with the Coalition. Is that fair, Dale?
Helling/ That's...more than fair. (laughter)
Hayek/ Okay, anything else on the May 6 packet? Uh, Council time, we've all...anybody have
anything else? Budget priorities. Nuttin'?
Helling/ I would only mention one quick thing on there. We have Moss Green Urban Village on
for June 1St, and that's just because all these agreements are kind of coming together,
assuming everything gels, at that time and so we wanted to schedule a little time on your
work session to talk about that.
Hayek/ Got it.
Karr/ (several talking) I'm sorry.
Helling/ Moss Green.
Karr/ Are you under scheduling right now? (several responding)
Helling/ I thought we were...
Karr/ What are we under? (laughter)
Helling/ What are we under?
Hayek/ Well...
Dickens/ Budget priorities.
Karr/ Budget priorities?
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Hayek/ You know what, let's uh...
Bailey/ He was at summary of pending work session items. I just (several talking)
Helling/ I'm sorry, I thought that's where we were.
Bailey/ That's good, move us along!
Helling/ Second time I've done that isn't it? (several talking) Uh... (several talking)
Hayek/ Okay, so Moss Green Urban Village, uh, taken up on June 1. Anything else concerning
the pending, uh, work session list?
Mims/ Well, only I would come back to what Regenia had said at one of our last meetings about
the housing stuff, and what...what kind of information or format or whatever we want
before we get (both talking)
Bailey/ And you know Connie should be in on this discussion too.
Mims/ Yeah, because I mean, I think as Regenia said, if we come in with no preparation or
background, we've kind of got afree-for-all and we're not going to get anywhere.
Bailey/ Well, have we all read that Affordable Housing Study that we did...when did we do that?
Hayek/ Two years ago.
Bailey/ Couple of years ago.
Mims/ I haven't...
Bailey/ So that might be, I mean, I'll review that for sure, I mean, I think that that might be
something that's already there.
Mims/ And I certainly don't expect we're going to get through this in one evening, I mean...and
maybe that first meeting will...our discussion will simply be how are we going to try and
frame this whole discussion.
Bailey/ Well, and we...
Wright/ (away from mic) a meeting to discuss where we need to go down the road.
Bailey/ And when we first talked about this we had a memo to try to frame that discussion, and
maybe...I don't know if that (mumbled). Didn't we have a staff memo to frame the
discussion...when we talked about housing?
Mims/ Well, we had the one from Jeff when we talked about inclusionary zoning.
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Hayek/ I thought..
than that.
I thought it was, yeah, a gut check on inclusionary zoning, but not much more
Mims/ But, yeah, that was my recollection as well.
Bailey/ Okay.
Hayek/ Yeah, L..we absolutely need to frame the issues.
Mims/ I think you're right, Mike, I think that may need to be our first meeting (several talking)
yeah, that first meeting might just be how to frame the issues.
Wright/ I think that's going to be a pretty substantial conversation all by itself.
Mims/ And then from there we can certainly go to staff and say this is the kind of stuff (several
talking)
Wilburn/ Excuse me, in my opinion, prior to the study were several gyrations of framing the
issue, and... and whether we go to the other governmental entities and all of that, and
their willingness or unwillingness to do this. In my opinion, the housing study and the
results...frames the issues. It's whether or not there are portions of that, or the complete
package, that this Council wishes to pursue or not. Or, and/or...which of those items
does Council wish to pursue or not with another invitation to the other entities, but that
report in my opinion is the sum culmination of the issues being framed, with data, um,
on...where this community's at in terms of reality and...immediate housing needs with
projections into the future. So...
Wright/ (mumbled)
Bailey/ Yeah, taking that up again.
Helling/ It was certainly our intent to try to frame that for you for your discussion, um...what we
can do is...we'd attempt to do that and then you can look at it and see if, you know,
where you want it filled in or change it in any fashion before you get into an in-depth
discussion. We'll remind you that, uh, other than June 14`n, your next full blown work
session will be August 16`n
Bailey/ Plenty of time for thought then.
Helling/ There ya go!
Mims/ Well, at least if we use that housing study as a jumping off point.
Bailey/ I think that would be a good... a good start.
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Mims/ And we may jump in all different directions from it, but at least it gives us...
Bailey/ I would be willing to make a large wager on that, yes. (laughter and several talking)
Dilkes/ Yeah, I...I think in terms of...staff framing issues, the one issue that we came away from
the last time you talked about this was the whole map issue and whether you want to
make changes in the map, in terms of what...what you want to see final approval for.
But the bigger issue, the bigger affordable housing issue I don't think we have enough
information to frame a discussion for you.
Bailey/ And I would hate to see us focusing on that micro issue of the map, and ignoring the
larger issues. But I can see that happening too.
Hayek/ Well, then it sounds like in advance of the June 14 meeting we all ought to take another
look at the Affordable Housing Study, possibly the Scattered Housing Task Force
recommendations, the, uh, yeah, Marian...
Bailey/ That's on the web site, right? I know I have a bound copy too.
Hayek/ The current map with overlays, which...are we...I don't think we've received the recent
iteration of that, have we? Can... can we make sure we get that in advance?
Helling/ Yeah, if (mumbled)
Wright/ (mumbled) that was in packets in...March?
Hayek/ Oh, yeah. The...Glen and Karen.
Wright/ L ..I put that (mumbled) or I asked Marian to (mumbled)
Bailey/ Okay.
Helling/ If we can...without trying to frame issues or frame the discussion, we can just come up
with a list of things that staff is looking at that we would presume would be included in
that. We can have that in your packet for the 1St. Hopefully, and I'll talk with Jeff, but I
think we can get that in the packet, and then on the 1St maybe a short discussion to...
Karr/ The 1St is the combined one, and there's quite a bit on, and it's got the boards and
commissions on there too.
Helling/ Right. I'm thinking just a very brief discussion saying okay, here...yeah, we'll talk
about these things. We don't want to talk about those things. Add this to the list. And
then we'll have a couple weeks to try to prepare some better information for you. At
least get you started.
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Mims/ And I don't know how thick some of those things are. I know I have some of them, and it
sounds like most people do. I mean, I...I guess I would encourage that you not make
copies of everything and send it out. Maybe we let her know...maybe give us a list of
what we're talking about, and if people need something let them ask for it.
Bailey/ I would rather have links than...I know I have all of these in hard copies. I'd rather have
links. I...I have printed out things but.. .
Hayek/ Okay, anything else on the, uh, pending work session issues? Okay. Uh, upcoming
events.
Upcoming Events:
Bailey/ David Purdy put the I-Jobs, and I do...I think staff has done a great job securing funding
but those I-Jobs people and everybody else likes (mumbled) and I think that we need to
make a point.
Hayek/ I should be available. I've communicated with David on that.
Bailey/ Okay.
Mims/ That was June 2°d?
Hayek/ Right. (several talking)
Mims/ I'm available too.
Bailey/ I think I'm available, but as long as we've got people going I won't...
Hayek/ Well, if you're available why don't you communicate to Dave, uh, David directly so he
can do the coordination. I don't think he has the times yet selected. I don't think he
knows when the I-Jobs folks are here exactly.
Wilburn/ I don't know if you, uh, replied or not but I already told (mumble) can meet with the
eleven African women leaders.
Hayek/ Okay. Um...
Wilburn/ But, I mean, I think they were asking for you to make a proclamation or speak or
something like that. In the...I will be there...
Hayek/ Okay.
Wilburn/ ...um, and whether you decide or not, it's up to you.
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Hayek/ Okay. I had told them tentatively...I was tentative last week when I spoke to them. My
schedule just cleared up, so I'll talk to you about maybe both of us or...
Wilburn/ All right.
Hayek/ Okay. Anything else? Meeting schedules.
Scheduling:
Karr/ What do you wish to do with the Moss Green request this evening?
Bailey/ Memory is so good!
Karr/ Only because I'm sure I'll get a call tomorrow so...(several talking)
Mims/ I mean, I'm willing to try and schedule a meeting. I don't know what their deal is
(several talking)
Bailey/ Are we going to put other items on this, or is this going to be only Moss Green, because
there were some requests for some expedited actions, and if we're going to take those up,
that would, to me, say an evening meeting when public can be here, but if we're not, then
I think we could meet at a less convenient time perhaps. Not at...dawn, but we could
meet in the morning or something.
Dilkes/ I think the (several talking)
Bailey/ You prefer to avoid? Okay.
Hayek/ (mumbled)
Dilkes/ The other requests for expedited action were just staff's suggestions that given your
reduced schedule that we go ahead and finalize them so...I wouldn't worry about those in
terms of...
Hayek/ Okay, so we're talking about Moss Green only.
Bailey/ We're talking about evening. Cause Mike...
Hayek/ No, I think we're talking about anything other than mornings. Is your concern, right?
Wright/ During the work day, I would try to avoid during the work day if we can. I'm...you
may have heard that the JEC has had some issues of...that's been eating a lot of my
vacation time.
Bailey/ You're doing a wonderful job, thank you!
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Wright/ Thank you (several talking) That's the problem, no I don't!
Bailey/ This work is his vacation!
Wilburn/ Yeah, it's not very fun when you have to take vacation to (several talking)
Hayek/ Well, okay, so...
Wright/ More vacation than I've earned!
Karr/ It's one item only then?
Hayek/ One item only it sounds like. It would be third consideration of...
Dilkes/ I'm...now if there are other items that come up in the meantime that staff needs to
schedule, we would...I think we would add those.
Hayek/ Okay.
Dilkes/ Public Works' items or whatever. I'm just saying that the ones that we didn't act on
tonight I don't think we need to worry about.
Bailey/ Well... so it seems like we should meet next week to move this along, because meeting
the following week is just a week before, I mean, it just gets sort of silly.
Wright/ Next Monday would be what? (several talking) Oh, I can't on the 17tH
Bailey/ Don't' we have JEC?
Wright/ Yeah, we have JEC that night.
Mims/ Tuesday the 18tH? That's our normal formal.
Wright/ 18tH at...
Wilburn/ If it's going to be the 18tH, I would request as early in the evening as possible, cause I
need to leave for out east. Cause I' 11 be gone Wednesday and Thursday.
Bailey/ I'm working till 6:00 that day.
Karr/ Is there any time this week, since it's a special meeting anyway? Is this week work at all?
Wilburn/ When I say...I mean...oh well, I was thinking (mumbled)
Karr/ Oh, you mean next Tuesday? Next Tuesday the 18tn~
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Dickens/ I'm going to be late (mumbled)
Wilburn/ Okay. Well, if that's the date...did you (several talking)
Karr/ 18th...Tuesday.
Wright/ 5:00? 5:30?
Bailey/ I am in Cedar Rapids till 6:00 that day.
Dickens/ (mumbled)
Wright/ 7:00?
Bailey/ 7:00 would work for me.
Dickens/ I can be here by 7:00.
Bailey/ But it won't work for Ross.
Dickens/ 6:30 or 7:00.
Mims/ We have that phone-in capability now, right? (laughter)
Wilburn/ Well, uh, 7:00 and if it goes longer than a half an hour I will just leave so...
Mims/ My guess it'll be five minutes.
Wright/ Yeah, it should be real quick.
Hayek/ Tuesday, May 18th at 7:00 P.M. (several talking) Us and our darn principles! (laughter
and several talking) Can you do it? (several talking) I mean I guess a lot of this is
premised on their, us believing the assertion that there is a true concrete benefit to doing
this.
Karr/ My feeling is they probably will ask for the Planning and Zoning rezoning one to be on as
well.
Bailey/ I don't want to do a re-zone too.
Karr/ I'm just saying if you're having a special meeting for one Moss Green item and...
Bailey/ Let's back up a little bit here.
Karr/ I'm just saying!
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Hayek/ Yeah, so maybe we're going down a...dangerous path here (several talking)
Dilkes/ Let me just tell you what staffs thinking...thinking was when...when...in our minds...it
would have...had we been able to have the development agreement on, it would have
made sense then to collapse on the TIF district. But when it was clear that we couldn't
put the development agreement on tonight, because the development agreement refers to
them doing all those things they're supposed to do that we're not going to have approved
until June lst, it really didn't make much sense to...to collapse the TIF...TIF ordinance.
Um, the one thing that he said tonight that made some...that...that Ihadn't thought about
in that is that once you get the TIF district in place, then there may be potential other
development agreements that...that people could eye with that TIF money. Um...
Mims/ I mean, if they've got a big anchor that they're trying to sign, who's looking at trying to
come to us for TIF, because we said 50% of this is also to incentivize businesses, then...
Bailey/ I get that, but on the other hand, if they've got somebody who's that interested in that, I
hope that they've already talked to Wendy so the day after we...we have this district,
they can begin to move ahead. I mean.. .
Dilkes/ Well, and then I think you kind of come full circle again because the reason...you're
willing to collapse on TIF is because it's been so un...noncontroversial and the only
reason it's been noncontroversial is because we're talking about the road only.
Bailey/ Actually this portion, I believe, is noncontroversial because it's simply a district, and we
don't have...development agreements, any of them, become the controversy, any of
them.
Dilkes/ Right.
Bailey/ Right. Full circle, and that's why it was curious to me though why...this is just, well,
anyway. I...I did not understand the...motivation.
Wright/ But it's done. (laughter)
Bailey/ Well, or not. We don't have to have another meeting. We can...we can do it in June. If
we believe (several talking)
Hayek/ I don't see how...how one week is going to make a hill of beans difference to a massive,
uh, applicant for...for TIF help. I mean, a process which will take time to unfold and will
involve staff and the Economic Development Committee, I mean, other than giving seven
days extra notice to potential...investors...Idoni know.
Bailey/ So you're saying you don't want to...
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Hayek/ There's no deadline. There's no, you know, like if we do it by a certain deadline then
they get to apply for these other things where they lose or don't lose funding from other
sources.
Bailey/ Well, and there's no indication that this...this process is going to be derailed. That's my
curiosity too. It's no indication that somebody's going to come in at the 11th hour and
change all of our votes.
Wright/ Yeah, that's what I thought was strange.
Bailey/ Even yours!
Hayek/ So I guess where I am is, if...if a majority wants to meet on May 18th, I can do so. L.I
don't think we should. It involves more staff, uh, and...and the changing of schedules,
and I'm just...I'm no longer convinced as I was for about ten minutes there that there
really was a compelling reason to do this.
Bailey/ But I don't...I don't want to take up the other items. I'm not interested in doing that, the
rezoning. I don't want to add other Moss Green items to this particular special meeting.
And you suggested that that would be a...a potential (both talking)
Dilkes/ No, I wasn't talking about the other Moss Green items. I was talking about for instance
if it's handy to set a public hearing on some...
Bailey/ I thought you said that they would also probably ask.
Dilkes/ Marian did.
Bailey/ Oh, sorry.
Dilkes/ And I...and I don't have any indication now that those things we could do in an
expedited meeting, cause I don't know if they're going to be ready. I mean, everybody's
kind of aiming at June 1St
Bailey/ Right.
Dilkes/ To get those zoning and plat, those things, the preliminary plat and the rezoning.
Bailey/ Well, then I'm with Matt. If there's no compelling reason...and it's not because I'm not
supportive of the project, and I understand that they're chomping at the bit, but...there
are things that they can do...in preparation for these passing that won't hold them up, and
actually would better position them, and I don't see that always happening on their end.
Mims/ Yeah, it's...I mean, it's hard to know what their conversations are with other people, and
what those other people's..perceptions and deadlines and things they want to see, and
so...
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Bailey/ Do we...
Hayek/ And here's the other thing, the Economic Development Committee, which would be
involved in any such process, is more nimble and able to change its schedule because it
involves fewer people than the Council. We carry with us a big accoutrement of staff
support, so there's more inconvenience, and for all we know the person on the...at the
anchor tenant who we even deal with is going to be on vacation. I mean, you just don't
know whether it really would make an impact or not. That's my feeling, and I just...I
worry about...the inconvenience that's not justified.
Wright/ I'm inclined to agree. I'm not wild about having a special meeting anyway, and I wasn't
from the git-go, but I wasn't going to throw up a roadblock for it.
Bailey/ (mumbled) going. Okay, let's not have it.
Hayek/ Okay, so...scratch that. Sounds like. Anything else...
Wilburn/ Well, and if...if he calls the City Clerk tomorrow, then she can tell him if he wants to
submit some compelling information to...the Council, if he has a letter from this potential
developer, if...if he wants to have a confidential meeting with Wendy to...
Bailey/ To get the development agreement going? Yeah, that's what they should be working on.
Hayek/ Got it.
Dilkes/ The reason why the development agreement, um, as we were working through this, it just
didn't make any...I mean, the planning was that once you do the...you could have
collapsed...
Bailey/ Not their agreement. Their...their anchor person, get that development agreement
started, because that'll take some time too. Cause we are far, the Economic Development
Committee is far less familiar with that.
Hayek/ That's true, you know, Wendy Ford could..could initiate conversations I suppose.
Bailey/ They could be talking with a bunch of people, because it looks like it's going to be a TIF
district. A bunch of people could be in Wendy's office talking about those possibilities
and what might be available. If that's what they're selling.
Hayek/ Okay. Any other meeting schedule issues? (several talking and laughing) All right. See
you all later!
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